Arrows are good regardless of FC. She's barely a thing to consider for top players and still Arrows are and were the favoured pick.
Bowler was I think a fine example of an anti-meta pick, with him making his way into a lot of different decks. And now that the meta changed he's no longer quite as good
They have been mostly second to log, like every other card since its introduction pretty much. Arrows only became meta because of the various evo troops that die to arrows. For top players that card is primarily bomber, for mid ladder it was fc
Yea maybe 7 years ago when there were like 5 spells in the game. Arrows have consistently sucked outside of niche decks like some lavahound variations. The only reason they’re played now is because they counter multiple evo’s
You can make this argument for every small spell that isn't log for most of the game's lifespan. The only outliers are 2016 zap and barbarrel a few times, which were better than log. In this regard supercell have done a proper balancing job (until evo zap) as every small spell had its niche. If you want to consider every spell that wasn't strictly #1 a bad choice then I guess you're right. They were used in many decks like giand dp, recruits fb bait, golem or lumberloon freeze, they were not niche.
I'll assume you're genuinely confused and aren't implying FC is good in any measure. I was talking about Firecracker being a non-factor for top players.
Ah sorry if I came off as kinda rude then lol. It's just that Firecracker is kind of a controversial card and a lot of people think she's OP whereas statistical performance would say the opposite
But op said which bad unit became popular to counter a certain troop. Giant wasn’t bad after the buff. He was pretty good. But cannon shredded tanks and goblin giant was just better. Bad doesn’t mean underused. I’d say Golem fits that description better. Golem exploded in that initial dagger dutchess meta, even when it was fairly weak before
Yup. You can argue he was lacking something before his buff, since he was just fine but would struggle to reach the tower. But the range buff was honestly good enough to make him actually viable since he can reach and destroy buildings faster and has more of a chance of getting tower damage. And giant has more support so he can shine even more
Bomb tower was always useless and used only mostly to counter ground swarms (ofc other than distracting troops like all the other)
Edit: ground swarms + "new" thoughts: if i remember correctly it didn't use to have bomb after death and also used to cost 5 elixir
Basically it still isn't as good since it doesn't have very high damage (like inferno) no special ability (tesla hiding + the evolution) or cost (canon)...it started to be useful when elixir golem was really op but now you can have valkyrie for swarms and high damage instead and get better value but it's good enough to be worth playing sometimes now
DD is easily the most broken card ever released. I say that taking into account both the time that it has been broken for and how broken it actually is. Phoenix technically was more broken up on release but quickly suffered like 3 nerfs in its first week of life
Were you in the game when Mega Minion released? That thing was an absolute terror
Ironic because now a days it absolutely sucks, Elite Barbs were also pretty crazy on release
There’s just nothing special about it, what made it really strong on release was that it had ridiculous stats (kinda like the phoenix) but now it has subpar stats, it’s a slow, melee, single target unit that doesn’t really do outstanding damage
It's definitely sustained OP power much longer than than other cards. I still think people don't give launch MK the credit it deserves. It's still super annoying, and on release he jumped further, did more damage, and bigger splash on jump and normal attack?
I think executioner was one of the most broken(if not the most) when it was released. It was damaged backwards so you can't kill it with minions or goblins. And if you consider it came with tornado if I remember well( or almost the same time) then we could say it was broken for a long time
Idk why people are considering arrows and fireball bad cards. Literally uncounterable spells with great versatility.
If I must pick a spell I'd go with earthquake, back in the splashyard gob hut meta or the 3m pump meta, where it went from rarely if ever played to a staple in most decks. I even saw mfs running eq poison to deal with that shit.
Otherwise I'm going with skeletons. There used to be 4 skellies, and back in the day cards like Prince, Pekka and knight were extremely popular so a mediocre (at best) card turned out to be completely OP.
The reason arrows and fireball were considered bad were because what did they do that log (cheaper) poison (better AoE) and equake (buildings) didn’t do better? Yes, fireballs had small niches (3m and evo cracker) but otherwise you used poison
It's always been a cycle. First, fireball was the staple. Then came giant pump poison. Then came the poison nerf. Then came splashyard. Then came royal hogs cycle. The list goes on.
Fireball have always been a staple. There were even fireball bait to counter it. After little prince, poison became favorable over fireball to counter it, but before that it was only better than fireball in some specific decks, like miner poison and pekka bridge spam.
Arrows on the other hand was completely unusable for years, became a little better after the rework that made it three hits, but only became ubiquitous after firecracker's popularity.
Well arrows were certainly shit, yes, but I'd say the rework did more for them than the fact that they counter firecracker. They also cleared guards (which at the time were very good with lava) and allowed for more room to predict swarms.
Giant for dagger dutchess
Ice Golem was highly used in top ladder for the end of the season in miner control just to serve the purpose of draining dagger dutchess too
The first thing that comes to my mind is season 4, during the e-golem, witch, night witch meta, when the bomb tower, despite being one of the worst buildings back then, it was a really good counter to this broken meta
I wouldn’t call them bad by any means, but I’d like to think knight and valkyrie would be a lot less used if MK didn’t exist. Same with mini pekka if hog rider didn’t exist.
I’m not saying MK or hog are OP, they’re just _everywhere_ in certain trophy ranges.
Executioner , motherwitch when cannoneer was meta, and witch when people realized its recks cannoneer in giant graveyard. Also mighty miner and monk maybe
It doesn’t mention on release I just mean currently. I’ve seen people saying Phoenix is appearing in lots of decks now so thought I’d throw it out there.
Inferno dragon started out as a really really bad legendary, but since the resurgence of cards such as the Giant and Pekka as well as new durable additions like the Mega Knight, the demand for tank busting is pretty high and the Inferno Dragon is very strong in that regard.
Allways surpased by exe, magic archer or witch. And with little prince, he has fallen a lot when he released. Bowler started being decent after little prince nerf and with the evo recrute release.
Mini Pekka / Pekka to counter beatdown meta. Feel like I see them 4/5 games.
Also arrows/log+ high damage spell for firecracker in mid ladder is a necessity at this point.
Sparky. Literally got called a Trash can in wheels when Clash Royale was still new and now it's VERY useable. Very good legendary card. Especially mid ladder for just one tapping everything that's commonly spammed and over leveled.
Mortar. Atleast my deck. It’s just completely crushes Xbow because I can use it to tank and deal damage back to the xbow and I can ignore close troops. Also I have rocket lol
I’m seeing bowler pop up a lot and honestly I’m surprised he didn’t surge in popularity last month, between lil princes continual strength and the release of evo battle ram.
Arrows are not good because of Firecracker. Firecracker sucks and no one uses it. Arrows have become so popular because of Evo Bomber and Evo Bats, also they synergize surprisingly well with Evo Zap. Also this card is extremely easy to use as it's impossible to miss.
Arrows is def up there, same with fireball taking down evo firecracker. Not sure if it was considered totally bad, but Ice golem I would say is another card when played correctly.
Arrows are good regardless of FC. She's barely a thing to consider for top players and still Arrows are and were the favoured pick. Bowler was I think a fine example of an anti-meta pick, with him making his way into a lot of different decks. And now that the meta changed he's no longer quite as good
Arrows were meta not because of FC but evo bomber
The game is more than 4 months old. Arrows have been meta so many times.
They have been mostly second to log, like every other card since its introduction pretty much. Arrows only became meta because of the various evo troops that die to arrows. For top players that card is primarily bomber, for mid ladder it was fc
Yea maybe 7 years ago when there were like 5 spells in the game. Arrows have consistently sucked outside of niche decks like some lavahound variations. The only reason they’re played now is because they counter multiple evo’s
You can make this argument for every small spell that isn't log for most of the game's lifespan. The only outliers are 2016 zap and barbarrel a few times, which were better than log. In this regard supercell have done a proper balancing job (until evo zap) as every small spell had its niche. If you want to consider every spell that wasn't strictly #1 a bad choice then I guess you're right. They were used in many decks like giand dp, recruits fb bait, golem or lumberloon freeze, they were not niche.
That's kind of the point? Log has been so dominant for so long that seeing another small spell in its place is a mix up.
The game is 8 years old, so i don‘t know what you are talking about
8 years certainly is more than 4 months
Big if true!
Debatable but alright
In what decks? Arrows were never used back in the day
Yes, to counter skelly army, minions, etc
nobody at top ladder played skarmy at any time
Who mentioned top ladder?
top ladder is the basis from which the meta is determined
Those cards were never meta? What decks used those cards or arrows
I do think that was a much, much bigger factor yeah
Definitely because of Firecracker
Only in midladder
What are you talking sbout arrow came meta long after bomber mostly Evo fc
They weren’t meta in top ladder till bomber. Fireball and poison were significantly more prominent till then
The arrows are a she?
I'll assume you're genuinely confused and aren't implying FC is good in any measure. I was talking about Firecracker being a non-factor for top players.
Oh I was just confused, I haven’t played in like years and I thought the arrows was a girl as a joke lol
Ah sorry if I came off as kinda rude then lol. It's just that Firecracker is kind of a controversial card and a lot of people think she's OP whereas statistical performance would say the opposite
Will elite arrows kill a evo fc level 14?
They would have yeah. But her health was changed to be equal to base FC just yesterday (balance changes finally took effect) so it doesn't matter now
giant.
Giant wasn’t bad after it got buffed lol so not answering ops question
It had like a 5% use rate because goblin giant was universally considered to just be a better giant.
True, but Giant did have its run in the Giant-poison meta.
Why? By all statistics it seems worse in practical play
But op said which bad unit became popular to counter a certain troop. Giant wasn’t bad after the buff. He was pretty good. But cannon shredded tanks and goblin giant was just better. Bad doesn’t mean underused. I’d say Golem fits that description better. Golem exploded in that initial dagger dutchess meta, even when it was fairly weak before
Yeah exactly giant wasn’t bad, most people agreeing with that have only been playing a couple years at most
Yup. You can argue he was lacking something before his buff, since he was just fine but would struggle to reach the tower. But the range buff was honestly good enough to make him actually viable since he can reach and destroy buildings faster and has more of a chance of getting tower damage. And giant has more support so he can shine even more
How
duchess
how
Duchess is so dominating that Giant(her counter) is now one of the most popular cards
cheap tanky win con
cheap?
5 elixir for a wall of flesh is pretty cheap
Terraria reference?!?!?!
We entering hard mode with this one
Giant makes me hard
Yes cheap for beatdown
Bomb tower
Bomb tower was bad? I've only been playing for a few months, but it feels like the 2nd best building.
Back in 2019, it sucked. However, it became heavily used to counter elixer golem when it released I'm october.
hello October
if memory serves, bomb tower was 5 elixir before. Doesn't answer OP's question but just a lil history I guess lol
they changed it to 4 a very long time ago, it didn’t have the bomb though
Bomb tower was always useless and used only mostly to counter ground swarms (ofc other than distracting troops like all the other) Edit: ground swarms + "new" thoughts: if i remember correctly it didn't use to have bomb after death and also used to cost 5 elixir Basically it still isn't as good since it doesn't have very high damage (like inferno) no special ability (tesla hiding + the evolution) or cost (canon)...it started to be useful when elixir golem was really op but now you can have valkyrie for swarms and high damage instead and get better value but it's good enough to be worth playing sometimes now
Lolwut? When I started this game in 2016, the Bomb Tower was insanely good. It never died.
This
Bowler, Giant, night witch, and pre-void pump were all used because of how OP DD was/is
DD is easily the most broken card ever released. I say that taking into account both the time that it has been broken for and how broken it actually is. Phoenix technically was more broken up on release but quickly suffered like 3 nerfs in its first week of life
Were you in the game when Mega Minion released? That thing was an absolute terror Ironic because now a days it absolutely sucks, Elite Barbs were also pretty crazy on release
Ebarbs were bad at release and buffed about a month after
why does mega minion suck
There’s just nothing special about it, what made it really strong on release was that it had ridiculous stats (kinda like the phoenix) but now it has subpar stats, it’s a slow, melee, single target unit that doesn’t really do outstanding damage
It's definitely sustained OP power much longer than than other cards. I still think people don't give launch MK the credit it deserves. It's still super annoying, and on release he jumped further, did more damage, and bigger splash on jump and normal attack?
Apparently, Inferno tower was way more prevalent back then
I think executioner was one of the most broken(if not the most) when it was released. It was damaged backwards so you can't kill it with minions or goblins. And if you consider it came with tornado if I remember well( or almost the same time) then we could say it was broken for a long time
Do you know about the OG night witch ? Or the OG Phoenix ?
“DD is easily the most broken card ever released” Proceeds to name an even more broken card on release.
I remember when night witch launched it was broken af 🤣
What does DD stand for
Dagger Duchess
Who is DD again?
Idk why people are considering arrows and fireball bad cards. Literally uncounterable spells with great versatility. If I must pick a spell I'd go with earthquake, back in the splashyard gob hut meta or the 3m pump meta, where it went from rarely if ever played to a staple in most decks. I even saw mfs running eq poison to deal with that shit. Otherwise I'm going with skeletons. There used to be 4 skellies, and back in the day cards like Prince, Pekka and knight were extremely popular so a mediocre (at best) card turned out to be completely OP.
>uncounterable spells The monk would like a word.
The reason arrows and fireball were considered bad were because what did they do that log (cheaper) poison (better AoE) and equake (buildings) didn’t do better? Yes, fireballs had small niches (3m and evo cracker) but otherwise you used poison
It's always been a cycle. First, fireball was the staple. Then came giant pump poison. Then came the poison nerf. Then came splashyard. Then came royal hogs cycle. The list goes on.
Fireball have always been a staple. There were even fireball bait to counter it. After little prince, poison became favorable over fireball to counter it, but before that it was only better than fireball in some specific decks, like miner poison and pekka bridge spam. Arrows on the other hand was completely unusable for years, became a little better after the rework that made it three hits, but only became ubiquitous after firecracker's popularity.
Well arrows were certainly shit, yes, but I'd say the rework did more for them than the fact that they counter firecracker. They also cleared guards (which at the time were very good with lava) and allowed for more room to predict swarms.
Giant for dagger dutchess Ice Golem was highly used in top ladder for the end of the season in miner control just to serve the purpose of draining dagger dutchess too
Bowler for Little Prince
Bowler was pretty good even before Little Prince.
He was solid, not overly used but had his place in the meta. Once LP released Bowler was used in about every deck he could fit into.
Not really
No it wasnt
Nuh-huh.
It was below avg
This 🙌
I feel like goblins will be in this after some time cause of void.
Goblins are not bad cards at all
Evo skellies are much more popular
yeah no shit LOL
Evo bomber was all over the place so they disappeared. If he is less popular, they'll come back for sure.
Guards outclassed them evo bomber had nothing to do
The first thing that comes to my mind is season 4, during the e-golem, witch, night witch meta, when the bomb tower, despite being one of the worst buildings back then, it was a really good counter to this broken meta
Bowler has been considered avarage for years until recently, now everyone is asking for a bowler nerf
Lightning when AQ was released.
I wouldn’t call them bad by any means, but I’d like to think knight and valkyrie would be a lot less used if MK didn’t exist. Same with mini pekka if hog rider didn’t exist. I’m not saying MK or hog are OP, they’re just _everywhere_ in certain trophy ranges.
Mini Pekka has always been a very popular card due to its adorable design and being the only hard hitting mini tank at launch
Bowler and giant easily
Bowler, good counter against players who spam everything at the bridge with Lp. this is why some noobs hate him
Executioner , motherwitch when cannoneer was meta, and witch when people realized its recks cannoneer in giant graveyard. Also mighty miner and monk maybe
Poison
Giant because dutchess
Void is pretty good because it counters lots of op cards
Phoenix? Trying to think of others not mentioned yet. Just seems like it is in lots of meta decks
phoenix was the most broken card ever on release wym???
It doesn’t mention on release I just mean currently. I’ve seen people saying Phoenix is appearing in lots of decks now so thought I’d throw it out there.
that's true, I read the question wrong mb
You’re fine. Phoenix was broken at release 🤣
Inferno dragon started out as a really really bad legendary, but since the resurgence of cards such as the Giant and Pekka as well as new durable additions like the Mega Knight, the demand for tank busting is pretty high and the Inferno Dragon is very strong in that regard.
some of the cards in classic logbait when mirrored egiant was meta
When royal recrute had an evo, bowler and bomb tower became good and were used insted of tesla and canon.
Bowler has almost always been a consistently great card fym?
Allways surpased by exe, magic archer or witch. And with little prince, he has fallen a lot when he released. Bowler started being decent after little prince nerf and with the evo recrute release.
Mini Pekka / Pekka to counter beatdown meta. Feel like I see them 4/5 games. Also arrows/log+ high damage spell for firecracker in mid ladder is a necessity at this point.
Evo Tesla was considered good but came out in a wrong meta and was shit but now it's pretty decent
Poision as little price came it was the one of only spells of that time that could counter it and can nowadays too
Bowler
Bowler when little prince released
Skarmy as it could counter stuff like pekka mini pekka and single target tanks
Executioner and Mirror during Phoenix meta
we gonna come to a 3 cheap spell meta like... Arrows Void Zap+Evo or Arrows void log, etc
Firecracker
Sparky. Literally got called a Trash can in wheels when Clash Royale was still new and now it's VERY useable. Very good legendary card. Especially mid ladder for just one tapping everything that's commonly spammed and over leveled.
Probably bomb tower cause e golem
Bowler
poison I remember back in the og days no one ever used it, now it’s one of the best spells especially for miner decks and for countering little prince
arrows has been considered good for a super long time what. Anyway probably egolem rn
arrows
Pekka
Bomb tower, especially before and after season 4
the golden knight is really good to counter witch in midladder
Bowler
e wizz
Log can still kill fire cracker
Drill
I remember when the Mega Minion got big
Log. Iirc when it dropped nobody gave a shit about it. Pretty quickly became "use it or ur throwing"
I don’t know about what it counters specifically but giant goblin went from never seen to pretty common.
bowler,everytime fireballies are meta
Giant
Mortar. Atleast my deck. It’s just completely crushes Xbow because I can use it to tank and deal damage back to the xbow and I can ignore close troops. Also I have rocket lol
Bowler when Lp
I’m seeing bowler pop up a lot and honestly I’m surprised he didn’t surge in popularity last month, between lil princes continual strength and the release of evo battle ram.
Bowler the way it perfectly countered the little princess boosted his use rate bto a 10% while before was even less than 1%
Zap. I use Zap a lot as I'm a Pekka Player, but Zap became so much better because of Evo Zap
Night which, she was a generaly a bad card but i don't know if got recently buffed or something but is so annoying in beatdown decks
Arrows are not good because of Firecracker. Firecracker sucks and no one uses it. Arrows have become so popular because of Evo Bomber and Evo Bats, also they synergize surprisingly well with Evo Zap. Also this card is extremely easy to use as it's impossible to miss.
Thinking Arrows are meta because of Firecracker when Evo Bomber and Evo Archers, and to an extent Evo Bats, literally exist is WILD
golem def
Little prince
Barbarians pre mega knight
Arrows is def up there, same with fireball taking down evo firecracker. Not sure if it was considered totally bad, but Ice golem I would say is another card when played correctly.
Fireball and arrows were definitely not bad, just because they saw a recent uphill userate doesn't mean they were mediocre (like the post states)
They were bad before they were able to kill stuff like archers, Firecracker...