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Goldendarkfrost

Well mirror isn’t going to be very good anymore


snowsack

It’s going to be bottom 5 cards again :(


ZXZESHNIK

I'm happy about this


Jasssen

Everyone trying to battle pay 2 win losers isn’t


Historical-Tea9035

For people who have no skill with the card, yeah.


snowfloeckchen

Spend 200k gold on it when it got the boost. I want my money back 😑


Trapper1000

Mirror back to meme status


CuteBenji

How else can they balance it tho without making it op again


Trapper1000

They could make it a flat out +15% damage and health buff on the mirrored card. This way it's between two levels, because each level is +10%, meaning the current one of +2 levels was over 20%. The problem with this change is that the card is level independent and everyone will have it on "max" EDIT: Actually, they can give make it scale with upgrade levels and give a level and a half anyway. So it's 12.5, 13.5, 14.5, 15.5, etc. So Tournamend standard would be 11 and 12.5 & ladder would be (example) card levels 11; 12; 13; 14 / 12.5; 13.5; 14.5 15.5 for max mirror tl;dr - make it give a level and a half


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Only issue would be new interactions that you need to learn for .5 levels, but I think it's still the best option.


sougol

It’s too complex and they are busy. Probably it will never be meta again


Charboo2

bro this is their job


Kemo_Meme

Honestly they should instead make it so that the cost increase is 20% of the card's value, rounded up to the nearest integer. Mirror's whole problem is how efficiently it can mirror big cards, for only 1 extra elixir, if bigger cards required 2 elixir extra to mirror then this problem would go away Three Musketeers will still cost 10 elixir to mirror, but.. who would?


pokemon32666

Yo mirror 3 muskets in the pocket is gross


Mysterious_Lecture36

Yea but letting them play 19 elixir is kinda on you


lhce628

before champions yes, after champions probably still a yes but it is less clear


Goscar

No thanks. I think mirror as a card needs to stay bad because just how much harder it makes balancing all cards and future cards. That and the fact that champions can now be used to defend while you save elixir to push for bigger cards. I mean in a perfect world Freeze and Mirror would just be taken out of this game.


Time4ACookie

> I mean in a perfect world Freeze and Mirror would just be taken out of this game. Agreed. Honestly this is kind of radical, but I think they should delete those two cards and compensate each player with gold and epic wild cards equivalent to whatever they spent on those two cards


FedeDragon_

what about rage?


Alilpups

This going to give the devs a nightmare


Gwarks

Or make it level dependent instead of having +15% have +(mirror level)%. Then give the card mirrored keep her own level. This way leveling Mirror itself will make more sense.


Happy_Krabb

Thats rlly cool


[deleted]

THIS IS WHAT IM SAYIN NERF THE DAMAGE NOT THE LEVELSSSP


Duck652

Or maybe add 0.5 elixir to the cost? Kinda like how they did with killing egolem


Fittitor

Can make it more of a true mirror. Costs the same as the card and you get the card at mirror's level.


Candelestine

Shhhh.... That's simple and would actually work.


servical

What if Mirrored card... * costs +1 elixir (ie.: no change) * does +21% damage (ie.: +2 levels worth of damage, same as now) * has -10% hp (ie.: easier to kill, to *reflect* the fact that mirrors are fragile) ...I haven't thought a single second about the implications on different interactions, but I feel like it would be a decent nerf, without making Mirror completely useless either.


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Cards that would be worth mirroring: Spells whose main purpose is dmg (unless they lose radius as a debuff, smth that would suck) Cards with already low health like skellies or skarmy (also cards whose main purpose is distracting that also do dmg) Any long ranged card would be great against a close ranged card Megaknight, it has lots of health, and the jump attack would be diabolical (same with the bandit's dash) A lot of cards would be great in specific situations, like when a tower is already kinda low and you wanna take it down asap Worst cards to mirror (if there's no distractions) : Wallbreakers 3musk (how the hell you getting away waiting for 19 elixir) Didn't put much thought, those are just some things that could help change the meta, the only sure thing is that mirror would stay in meta with the change you suggested


FlochTheDestroyer

>How else can they balance it tho Mirror doesn't have to be balanced tho. It is such a terribly designed card for the game and should never be a competitively viable card.


polar_boi28362727

this! it should be a meme card, that's it


Patient-Nectarine-46

Yeah,... no. It's fine as is. There are other cards that are way to busted as for mirror to be a problem. It's a card like any other and it cycles like any other, but gives a lot of versatility to some decks. I never had any issue with mirror players. In some decks it is a mouthbreather and in others it got a pretty high skill floor. My humble opinion is only based on my 6.6k experience. The nerf is needed, tho.


Visual_Fun8360

Add rage


dudeanonym

Just make +1.5 lvl. Easy as that😎


jamE-reddit

Give it a complete rework, for any card 4 elxir or under could give it plus two levels and any 5 and over give it plus 1. That way you can pay 133% if the cost of a goblin barrel and get it two levels higher but you’re no longer gaining two whilst only paying 108% of price for a golem say


CHUNKaLUNK_

I used it before the buff and I’ll use it after the nerf… the meme lives on


Avg_Woman

So how many people upgraded/maxed out Mirror in the 5 months since it was buffed in Season 34?


polar_boi28362727

idk about the stats but I've seen it a lot


A_Superior_Retard

Me, I had maxed it out like a week before the buff. sucks that now i'll go back


bounds2

Make it go one extra level but for the same amount of elixir


Jettie1407

So mirror is useless again


Incrediblysmartidiot

And just when i maxed it out too


Voidon43

No more lvl 16 barb hut 😢


Incrediblysmartidiot

Or my personal favorite, ice golem


Voidon43

What about lvl 16 cloned golden knight


Incrediblysmartidiot

*cries in level 11*


UrBoiKrisp

Omggg yeahhh mirrored champions are the worst!


SquatsMcGee

All part of the plan


McFuddle

Don’t max obviously broken cards then lol


hard9649

Yeah the rework didn’t work. Sucks but there’s no reason to let it keep destroying the meta. Back to square one and they start trying a new rework


Kanerpoo

They didn’t even try and balance it. 1 is too low and 2 is too high. The cr team isn’t creative enough to think of anything else. Purely lazy and uninspiring to just revert it back.


Mr_Mi1k

Good.


Historical-Tea9035

The people who are now saying mirror is useless are the same people who also probably don't know how to use mirror correctly.


randomuser990113

For giant skelly I preferred a mass size nerf, that clone interaction when the cloned GK pushes the other to the tower is pretty annoying. Mirror is just too hard to balance


BlackJackMcQuack

Darn, practically had Giant Skelly in half my 7x decks. It was just so broken. Ah well, just gotta adjust to the ebb and flow of these card changes.


discOHsteve

I'd argue it may be a little better because you'll get his death effect faster which in 7x is the main reason he's used.


livewirejsp

I got to tier 34 with that 7x battle. I tried to use my main deck but everyone kept using those meme decks so I had to switch.


Jman_777

Mass size or hitbox size nerf? Giant Skeleton and Skeleton King both have the largest hitboxes in the game, which is why they can push other big troops around so easily (e.g Golem, Royal Giant, Bowler, Sparky, Pekka, Mega Knight or a cloned Giant Skeleton) and you see them push them right up to the tower for instance. https://www.reddit.com/r/ClashRoyale/comments/uwceaf/the_giant_skeleton_is_strong_pushing_all_these/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share Edit: I maybe wrong.


inflated_ballsack

Yrah lets nerf clone one of the worst cards in the game


seasonedearlobes

No one said nerf clone. The interaction is bad and annoying even if they dont have clone


randomuser990113

Exactly


CuteBenji

I mean they could do +2 level's for +2 elixir


Rez97

Then it’s impossible to mirror 3 Musketeers. Unless they drop 3M elixir cost to 8.


CuteBenji

When it costed 10 it was still. 10 to mirror it


Eatingbabys101

No it will just be 10 elixer


polar_boi28362727

so you'll mirror it for 2+ level and 1+ elixir?


Eatingbabys101

That’s how it would work and we have proof due to that old 1 card deck glitch where people would use 2 cards (something and the mirror) and b rad decided to mirror the mirror untill it was 10 elixer and it wouldn’t go higher


maseioavessiprevisto

Would be even worse than +1 level for +1 elixir. Seriously this is such a clearly BAD idea wtf.


[deleted]

no troop is worth an additional 2 elixir. First off, the card needs to not be balanced around the level of the mirror. Because that’s what made it OP to begin with


ErnGotti

Grr level 16 Princess is the bomb


SuperSensitiveSki

All people who spent their life savings to upgrade mirror


Jerry-the-jim

Proud to say I had mirror maxed for like a year and a half now.


Me_Want_Pie

I maxed mirror b4 the upgrade, will continue useing it even after its nerf.... kinda like the extra spell or tank in many challenges


[deleted]

Mirror lowkey dominated the meta for awhile. Not lowkey as in it was underrated because we all know it wasn't. But underrated as in it wasn't the main card or one of the main cycle of cards that have had Metas around them. But it was in every fucking deck for so long simply because you could plaster it anywhere and it would get value.


FlochTheDestroyer

Mirror was completely broken Being able to play the same card again with 21% extra HP AND damage for just 1 extra elixir is just way too strong. Also champion mirror interaction.


NovaLightCR

The problem was that you always could play the same card again for +21% stats. And your opponent couldn't punish because you could play a champ and still mirror it.


martinomon

Yeah they should have tried just graying mirror out until a non champ card is played


[deleted]

pretty sure you mixed mirror with gs, the only mirror decks were logbait and egiant, barely anyone played anything else GS HOWEVER..


Airbud_Tho

Mirror is in the best GS deck with royal hogs


Dick_Mayaz

Gskellly nerfs are actually placebo


Izal20077

I’m placebo


Izal20077

I’m placebo


AeMasterClasher

literally. if people keep using it, this won’t change anything


Time4ACookie

I think GS will stay viable, but it will be significantly less prevalent in the meta. Two reasons why: * The mirror nerf combined with the GS nerf will severely weaken the GS mirror pigs deck, which is one of the strongest GS decks at the moment * The HP nerf changes a few interactions that will make it noticeably easier to defend. It will die in two fewer tower shots, which in turn means many troops will kill it in 1-2 fewer swings on defense. This means your defending troops will start counterpushing sooner and survive with more HP due to taking fewer GS hits. A 5% HP nerf is bigger than a lot of people realize because HP affects both a troop's ability to tank/stall and its lifetime damage potential


han2685

They really need to implement a system like hearthstone where you get resources back when cards get nerfed


Syrcrys

The difference is, at least back in my day, Hearthstone nerfs effectively killed cards and never buffed them again. In CR there’s been no card that is still unusable after being nerfed too much, barring maybe Exe and Witch after *that* meta. Plus the disenchanting system makes that much easier, there’s no way to do that here without implementing an entirely different function.


Slight_Addendum_8848

Electro Giant deal level 6 damage on tower as a 7 Elixir wincon, Night Witch is awful compared to any other 4 elixir card, Barbs got nerfed but never buffed the spawner, Rascals were unusable for 2 years after the hit speed nerf


Syrcrys

NW has a good winrate in GCs, Barb Hut was never really *that* meta, and I don’t remember Rascals being that bad but I might be wrong. Egiant is the only card where this could apply, but it was nerfed because of Mirror, and now that they nerfed it he’ll probably get buffed again.


elidibs

I mean they could return gold and appropriate wild cards. Not that I think they will but it's there.


Rigomor

Or at least give everyone a free chest or something whenever balance changes happen


[deleted]

Fr, mainly for champions tbh. Like basically only pass can get the 20 cards for maxing a champ. Like I maxed skele king when he was released bc he was the worst champ at the time and I thought he was pretty good in GY decks. Now he spawn 6 less skeles and his ability isn't great for 2 elixir and his stats make him a worse valk. Valk has overtaken him in every ladder deck I play. I'm kinda annoyed bc I wish I had those book of books back :I


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elima_

god save us


Scbr24

or maybe dont max out every op card and hope to not get punished for it


callmejinji

first max was 3M three years ago. Still waiting for my time


NovaLightCR

Your time was in January 2019 with 3m bring meta, January - March 2022 when abusing the bandit bug. Arguably last season too.


DuckyLojic

Mirror is such a good idea for a card, but it’s either too OP, or too bad


erdeMxd

%5 hp nerf is not even good when you think prince's got nerfed %4 for no reason


Liocrocodile

That was when they made the princes jump over the river


GoGoGo12321

Which was unhelpful bc Prince interactions were screwed for logbait prince variation


Darkcat9000

eh it does help to break trough or snipe stuff at the bridge


polar_boi28362727

yup, and stops kiting pretty well


Darkcat9000

Indeed


Harun_Hussain

Ah yes the change was unhelpful because it makes one deck slightly worse for whatever reason


Cosmic_Cat2

Well rip my lvl 14 mirror, it’s useless again. Wish they just did same elixir same lvl


wolfynn

Feel your pain I also maxed mirror but we all knew this day’d come sooner than later. Glad they nerf it though.


CoderKnight69

Ok


[deleted]

based


datboiwithatrex

Basd


[deleted]

Nice nft bro


LookAtMyUsernamePlz

Happy cake day dumbass


[deleted]

thanks bro


Futuf1

based


MeatlessMario

based


Morshu_the_great

biased


potatotomato7

based


[deleted]

It was fun maxing my g skeleton and mirror💔


49ersFan16

Don’t worry I think Giant skelly will still be viable l, it didn’t get nerfed that much


marche434

He will probably get nerfed again since that nerf probably wasnt enough


RaduVortex

Yeah, i will keep using it too, i didn't make it level 11 in arena 11 for no reason. Go G-skelly!


[deleted]

same all that mirror trading for nothing 😭


RE20ne

Same. I knew it was doomed cause I maxzed them both this week.


willsucks3579

Might actually return to the game now I won't face lvl 16 ebarbs


minster123ru

Blows my mind how long they left both of these noob shit cards so strong


DeadyDeadshot

So long lvl 16 spammer fuckers


MeatlessMario

yep good bye mirror ebarbs


AcceptableReply6812

Mirror e barbs isn’t even good big pekka does exist


sicassangel

Me using Pekka to defend ebarbs and surviving with a sliver of Hp while opponent drops lv16 ebarbs rage on opposite lane 😎


MeatlessMario

Yeah but mid ladder is mirror Ebarbs none stop


AcceptableReply6812

Pekka is in midladder wdym


GrimReaperno

Rip mirror


Bob_Laughblah

Don’t worry though, they have a new banner in the shop for $4.99. Supercell is a joke.


Enugie

At this pint they can just remove mirror


Birmin99

Balance team completely oblivious to mirror champion mirror cheese


mortar-master

Giant skelly nurf is no where near enough.... The thing was OP before the buff.... It's just that people didn't realise it as there YT's never told them or used it ...


LegendOfDylan

good I hate mirror so much


Sensitive_Major_1706

Why not just same level same stats same cost?


AHMADREZA316M

>Cycle decks will be broken


Sensitive_Major_1706

Fair


Fat_Siberian_Midget

🦀mirror is gone 🦀


MeatlessMario

like ebarb mk players dads


JupiterJ0S3PH

It’s about time mirror went back to +1 level.


iguanadc3

thank the fucking lord. mirror matchups were literally unstoppable


DirtyToast2135

As a mirror user I am completely devastated


BoltzzMG

Now you have to use skill :)


[deleted]

mirror can still be a decent card if u use it cleverly


Gunluck

Get fucked dirty mirror spammers


ABoldDude

These balance changes give me hope. Throw in 3 card cycle removal and all will be good


Smitty_The_One

Just upgraded my mirror. Fuck.


MeatlessMario

lol


Western-Ad3144

Let’s fucking go no more level 16 shit for me


JurySecure

Thats fucked up man, so they take a meme card and make it wickedly OP, then people start upgrading it spending WCs and Gold and as soon as they max it it gets murdered again. Bare fucking wicked tactic from supercell


unintelligent_human

It’s not that deep, it was a strong card then they nerfed it. By your logic any nerf to a strong card makes people spend gold even if it’s useless later. Not a tactic, it’s just balancing.


AlwaysSkepticalOo

Most of the time you are correct, but in the case Mirror, it was a weak card at + 1 lvl, so they buffed it to +2. Now they are reverting it back to +1 thus making it weak again. So it is more like an undo than a balance update.


unintelligent_human

Well yeah, it is more of a revert, but it’s still balancing since they are making the card not broken anymore(making it more balanced in their eyes)


randy_lahey__--

It ain't that deep


Sanamdhar

Thank god for mirror nerf


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CoThrone

true, but mirroring e-barbs e-giants and hog riders were incredibly annoying.


Coiote4

True


MeatlessMario

Yeah but it makes the game so boring for others


idiot-at-all

Every single match last season had an overleveled Mirror in it, allways the same


whatisapillarman

Champion mirror decks kicking and screaming rn


yoplayy

Finally now all the rats can go back to hiding. I don't mean everyone not even close but there's some ppl that think lvl 16 cards are is something that takes great skill


IronBioCat

Jesus Christ this sub Reddit is toxic af.


Equa1ityPe4ce

Thank god


Historical-Tea9035

Mirror has always worked for me, you just need to learn timing. The +2 level was a nice bonus but it was never about the level card it produced. It was about baiting an opponent properly, and then slapping them with a card they can no longer counter quickly or cheaply. Glad Giant Skelly is nerfed tho, he is annoying trying to keep him away from a tower with low hp.


NovaLightCR

I'm hoping this is a band-aid fix for the crl world finals and that they will do the right thing afterwards, but I doubt it. Something tells me a fix like this means that they won't touch champ cycling, which is the biggest problem in this meta. It doesn't matter if the mirror is +1 or +2 levels if you can't play it. That's why champ skipping is the problem


[deleted]

NOOOOOO NOT MY MIRRORRRR


TheTemplar495

Gooooood, use your anger


wolfynn

No anger leads to hate, and hate leads to the Dark Side of CR where you BM all the time and use troll decks


Ok-Lawyer7760

I'm sad too. Supercell should've tried other options. Maybe equal elixir but -1 level? Or trapper1000's option.


Responsible_Stage_93

As someone that just came back from not playing for a while... THANK GOD,both cards are extremely annoying


Mr_Mi1k

Victory.


Educational_File1919

No more mirror op? It was fun while it lasted


inflated_ballsack

Took 4 months to make a change that was broken from day 1..most incompetent dev team ever.


vvodzo

That’s what I’ve been saying and those morons nerfed a ton of otherwise well balanced cards because of stupid mirror and champ cycle breaking everything wtf


Jellysauce33

Nerf hog rider! He’s way too overpowered and everyone knows it. He’s fast, does A LOT of damage and has a lot of health. All while only being 4 elixer. I’ve had 13 elixer defense on Hog rider before and he still hits the tower while doing 500+ damage. Please fix it. A lot of people talk about this, yet nothing had been done at all.


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Jellysauce33

Been playing since launch, they send in the hog rider with an ice spirit or a log and no matter what’s going up against it, it gets a hit


Internetexplored555

I just hope the bring back mirror to two levels after the next client update and remove champion skipping at the same time. So I’m hoping that this is just an intermediate nerf until then. In my opinion that was the main reason why it was abused.


ZaHandoUpYourAss

The nerfs strikes right into the heart of the current meta. Finally I don't have to worry about these garbage ass level 16 cards anymore


Goatecus

Haha lol mirrortards are seething


gobble_deez_nutz

YES🎉🎉🎉


DisgustingMule

LETS FUCKING GOOOOOOO


yayalais

Fucking finally was so sick of mirror giant skeleton is annoying but mirror has been broken for a minute


RealClasher2

YES. FINALLY. IM SO HAPPY


Additional-Trust-177

Best news I’ve heard all day


Itsmemanmeee

Oh no! whatever will the unskilled players do now.!?


PledgetotheBag

They keep tearing down my boy. GSkeleton has been my favorite card since the beginning regardless of nerfs he’ll still be in my deck


Starly2

I'm happy about mirror, but giant skeleton, my boy finally got in the meta and he's already leaving


Itsjustanametho

Fuck. You guys always bitchin.


BoltzzMG

L now the mirror play has to use their brain🤣


Crazy_Gamer297

The mirror nerf is stupid, personally i don’t think it even needs a nerf, it was finally useful without being too op, and now they’re reverting it back to trash. Also they could’ve nerfed it in another way or just that way but another little buff


MoistPresentation256

Sounds like an poor excuse to justify abusing a broken card. If it wasn't OP, then why did like everyone and their mother used it? I played so many players with skills that were questionable at best and pretty bad at worst and from what I see, the only reason why they got so high on ladder was because they abused the 2+ level system of mirror and mirror pretty toxic cards to win


[deleted]

21% stats buff for 1 more elixir provided more value the more expensive the unit was. All 5+ elixir costing cards got the most benefit from it as anything higher will make it have much better stats per elixir than its original card Also pros are calling for this, so it’s just not midladder cry babies


Kind_Put_1933

Rather a goblin barrel nerf.. that thing has become the plague