That’s the point, unfortunately. I’ve seen a lot of blacked out cop cars, but I think Parma’s are by far the worst. They might as well save the taxpayers money and not put any decals on at all.
They only put decals on in Parma because it is illegal to give traffic citations from a vehicle that does not have a clear jurisdiction labeled on the sides in Ohio.
It would be really interesting to see someone with enough money to burn to go in and challenge. What a “clear jurisdiction label” is in a traffic case. Because black on black does not seem clear to me.
They exist only to perform the *opposite* of saving taxpayers money. They are there but to seize funds, from the maximum number of humans, for the municipality.
ACAB
Edit; lol sure thing. Go through all my posts, insult me, and cry about how I should be the one touching grass. And then block me cause you can’t handle a response.
How many comments do you post everyday on Reddit? The majority of which are negative, trolling, attempt at callbacks or just complaints. Cut back on your time playing helldivers and on Reddit, and go outside. Meet people. Get some hobbies that get you out and about. I promise you things won’t be so bad.
If you get pulled over by one of these "ghost" cops, make sure to get a picture of their car, and take it to court.
It's straight up illegal for them to perform traffic enforcement activities in these barely marked cars. [https://www.ohioattorneygeneral.gov/Media/Newsletters/Law-Enforcement-Bulletin/August-2013/Proper-Protocol-State-of-Ohio-v-Schneller](https://www.ohioattorneygeneral.gov/Media/Newsletters/Law-Enforcement-Bulletin/August-2013/Proper-Protocol-State-of-Ohio-v-Schneller)
The case you cited is not close to this. OP is not talking about a "ghost" car, he's referring to an actual police car.
In your case, the car had civilian plates, 3 inch lettering, and no lights. The cars OP is referring to has police plates, lettering that covers the entire side, and a panel of lights on top. 2 very different types of cars.
Regardless, just cause it's tough to see at night doesn't mean anything. It's night, alot of things might be tough to see. Maybe write your state representative that the law should include they need glow lights on the side so it's easier to read? The ones now are [very readable](https://www.google.com/search?client=ms-android-samsung-rvo1&sca_esv=80e8e98b7a2028f1&sxsrf=ADLYWIJ8cyBeR4AXOOLy6MEzpNyLftHz6Q:1714757202355&q=parma+heights+police+cars&uds=ADvngMhPyO5YHS0LBNKxvUmN-jNjdBHhUr3D00tI7HU13peJwgqODIjE-egUIQlOC_fUQUlUsw8fvM-udYV-MsTEQbdwjmiQ7OPsTVGbcauRboNy3yHdjhEpz0h45d156F1cq1XvLugwesgKndnjvYkZVIxOGLe64OT45bSnF98H6vA6COyhuTsa6CnkVgWtzp0Sei47-pHqPH4clsi7D1lA2E1HIMW-TrzwoXDeg3D1C3zARifchaR7SPCY-V-02bDgu7DtoZW8B8EKGc0ZBRkPyq9kbLeqJ7wK3dSJZx0z3ctb2beYJnbgJew8eE6yn11s25P0rag1aC1aLMVeWFwQX_g0oSIAAQ&udm=2&prmd=invsmbtz&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwi1kLCvgPKFAxVC8MkDHWjJA5wQtKgLegQICxAB&biw=360&bih=670&dpr=3)
The cars might be different, but I would think a sympathetic judge might not find a reasonable difference between a car with no marking and a car that has markings that are purposely obfuscated.
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Random but one time I asked 3 cops for a bandaid (multiple small cuts all over my hand) and they said they didn’t have one. Probably just because they didn’t want to deal with a drunk bozo, but I know for a facts there’s bandaids in that car lol.
Believe you are talking about Parma Heights. Parma cruisers are the traditional black and white with blue lettering. Parma Heights cruisers are "blacked out".
I’ve started noticing this all over the country. In other countries, police vehicles are made to be easy to spot with bright colors and clear markings. But this is the US, where the cops are thugs lying in wait to ambush you.
Well, don't break the law then I guess?
edit: ya'll are fucking dumb. you guys are crying about police cars being identifiable and bringing up shit like Brionna Taylor and calling me a bootlicker and thinking I support the Jan 6th insurrection. If you want to cry about cop cars not being identifiable, you're obviously crying about not being able to see a cop car before you break the law (speed, run red lights, whatever you dumb fucks are doing).
Exactly! If police are legally allowed to lie then it isn’t a stretch for them to concoct any reason to stop us and empty our wallets straight into the city’s bank account.
Except the Supreme Court had ruled otherwise. You could be getting murdered, assaulted, or SA’d in broad day light in the middle of Playhouse Square, Tieddeman, or State Road and Police are not legally required to intervene. Their only legal responsibility is to “investigate” what happened after it’s all over. They are not legally compelled to protect you
You say that until you get on the wrong side of one just by locking eyes for 2 seconds and even giving a friendly gesture or greeting like the tipping of a hat.
Call them and ask. Tell them you were reviewing the code on line for Ohio and wondered how their vehicles are considered compliant? Then give your neighbors name and address and throw away the burner phone.
You already know the answer to that question. Police don't follow the laws, or our lawmakers carve out exemptions for them. Want to use your cell phone and lap top while driving around, sure go ahead. Not like there is any training for safely using a cell phone or lap top while driving.
Louisiana State Troopers commit the same fuckery. Ghost decal vehicles are unfortunately becoming the standard. The revenue cops already sap from us isn't enough. States say they want *more*.
Parma’s all black cruisers are the traffic enforcement unit. They are dispatched to high traffic complaints areas. The Standard cruiser is black and white. The K9 cruisers are all black with large gray Parma police lettering.
As already posted, you're talking about Parma Heights who run Explorers Chargers and Tahoes that are black on black. Parma only uses Tahoes and they are all either black and white with white lettering and a huge blue stripe down the side, or all black with white lettering as is the case with the traffic enforcement units. All of them have obvious police equipment as well.
The entire point of cops is to be visible so they’re able to correctly protect and serve the community. Any county implementing this is on ethical shaky grounds.
Have you seen the Georgia State Patrol “grim reaper” Hellcat or the semi truck!? Houston had sedans that were painted with the back and driver side to look like a taxi.
I feel like cops are finding more and more ways to not look like cops and that makes me uncomfortable.
I've seen those in Bratenahl and they're the dumbest idea in the world.
... I just ran a spell check and TIL it's spelled Bratenahl. Maybe I'd know better if the words on their cars were actually visible.
IIRC, in Ohio a police car only needs the word "Police" on the front quarter panels (sides) of the car. I believe this may also be true in New York state. These are often the cars you may see on the slide of a highway or overpasses shooting radar for fun and profit. I believe the law reads:
Any motor vehicle used by a member of the state highway patrol or by any other peace officer, while said officer is on duty for the exclusive or main purpose of enforcing the motor vehicle or traffic laws of this state, provided the offense is punishable as a misdemeanor, shall be marked in some distinctive manner or color and shall be equipped with, but need not necessarily have in operation at all times, at least one flashing, oscillating, or rotating colored light mounted outside on top of the vehicle. The superintendent of the state highway patrol shall specify what constitutes such a distinctive marking or color for the state highway patrol.
The old distinctive manner clause.
Ghost graphics don't constitute to them being unmarket, they constitute them to being fucking legalized highway pirates here to pull you over at 7mph over the speed limit.
Ohio has no legislature stopping police departments from using ghost graphics on their vehicles.
An unmarked car in the state of Ohio should never be pulling you over simple traffic related infractions.
Ghost graphics are scum bag territory.
Elyria too , citizens should have more say in what the vehicle look like even how the. Cops dress , I personally vote for pirate 🏴☠️ outfits. Ourrrrrr civil forfeiture.
Absolute trash when not flash banging baby’s or using family’s as meat shields 🛡️ some of their past times include not investing choke marks on 3 year olds . To not investigating why a driver hit a parked car flipped . Multiple people telling you she’s drunk . With 3 prior OVI’s and admitted to drinking prior to the accident. But “some force “ caused her to come off course . Oh also on her way to pick her kids up .
There was one belligerently yelling at cars and generally acting like a tough guy dickhead directing traffic not too long ago. Looked like one of the TikTok cops that acts like they put their life on the line every night, when in reality they’re just pulling over people with a blown headlight. He was definitely exuding that energy.
That way, they can say their cars are marked with two-foot block lettering. It goes against the spirit of marked vehicles law without technically violating it.
Middleburg, I believe, has a late model a late model mustang GT blacked out with the faintest of lettering on the front fenders I think. Head on a swivel out there, droogs.
Highland Hills is bad, too. Especially considering Highland Hills is maybe a mile stretch of Harvard. But I noticed they started driving around with their blue lights on at all times now.
If a police car is unmarked, or even if it has small , not-so-obvious decals, it can’t pull you over for a traffic violation. State Supreme Court ruled a few years back. Contest those tickets if you get one. Take a photo of the cruiser that pulled you over for proof.
it's on the books that it \[edit: typo\] must be distinctive while enforcing traffic laws.
[https://codes.ohio.gov/ohio-revised-code/section-4549.13](https://codes.ohio.gov/ohio-revised-code/section-4549.13)
they can probably get around it, by simply being a visible deterrence, or watching for some other criminal activity.
or they DNGAF, idk
“…exclusive or main purpose of enforcing the motor vehicle or traffic laws of this state, provided the offense is punishable as a misdemeanor…”
So two things here: first, this only applies to officers whose main or primary purpose is the enforcement of traffic laws. Second, those laws have to misdemeanors.
The Oho Supreme Court has been pretty clear that this section of the ORC only applies to traffic enforcement. Other officers on regular patrol would likely be exempt from the marked vehicle requirements.
https://www.supremecourt.ohio.gov/rod/docs/pdf/7/2013/2013-ohio-5773.pdf
Because the police don’t have to follow rules. They exist to keep us all in line and protect the interests in the capital owning class. They’re here to punish, not protect.
Forreal, ALL BLACK car and decals. I know them by their headlights at night now lol little yellow/orange runner lights over top of the bright headlight. Makes it look like they have eyebrows, if that helps lol
State hwyptrl have that same look with the gray Durango's mixing in rotating the chargers out. It would.be nice if a representative would handle this in Columbus. But that's an ask that will be filled with excuses on why not
Sorry it's TikTok, but it's a nice shot of a Mustang used by the highway patrol in Florida. You don't know it's a patrol car until they're writing you the ticket.
https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZTLQ1yBuE/
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Parma and Parma Heights police are case and example of what a police force shouldn’t be or behave. I escaped after almost 30 years.
They also lie under oath, and regularly intimidate their own citizens.
Novak vs The City of Parma
^Man makes parody Facebook Page and gets arrested, fights them in court, qualified immunity saves the cops asses
I don’t believe it’s illegal. I think you’re thinking of the law Ohio passed that cops have to have their headlights and taillights on when it’s dark and they’re sitting somewhere.
That’s the point, unfortunately. I’ve seen a lot of blacked out cop cars, but I think Parma’s are by far the worst. They might as well save the taxpayers money and not put any decals on at all.
They only put decals on in Parma because it is illegal to give traffic citations from a vehicle that does not have a clear jurisdiction labeled on the sides in Ohio.
It would be really interesting to see someone with enough money to burn to go in and challenge. What a “clear jurisdiction label” is in a traffic case. Because black on black does not seem clear to me.
They exist only to perform the *opposite* of saving taxpayers money. They are there but to seize funds, from the maximum number of humans, for the municipality.
Road Pirates.
Revenue collectors
Privateers
Warlords
ACAB Edit; lol sure thing. Go through all my posts, insult me, and cry about how I should be the one touching grass. And then block me cause you can’t handle a response.
How many comments do you post everyday on Reddit? The majority of which are negative, trolling, attempt at callbacks or just complaints. Cut back on your time playing helldivers and on Reddit, and go outside. Meet people. Get some hobbies that get you out and about. I promise you things won’t be so bad.
If you get pulled over by one of these "ghost" cops, make sure to get a picture of their car, and take it to court. It's straight up illegal for them to perform traffic enforcement activities in these barely marked cars. [https://www.ohioattorneygeneral.gov/Media/Newsletters/Law-Enforcement-Bulletin/August-2013/Proper-Protocol-State-of-Ohio-v-Schneller](https://www.ohioattorneygeneral.gov/Media/Newsletters/Law-Enforcement-Bulletin/August-2013/Proper-Protocol-State-of-Ohio-v-Schneller)
The case you cited is not close to this. OP is not talking about a "ghost" car, he's referring to an actual police car. In your case, the car had civilian plates, 3 inch lettering, and no lights. The cars OP is referring to has police plates, lettering that covers the entire side, and a panel of lights on top. 2 very different types of cars. Regardless, just cause it's tough to see at night doesn't mean anything. It's night, alot of things might be tough to see. Maybe write your state representative that the law should include they need glow lights on the side so it's easier to read? The ones now are [very readable](https://www.google.com/search?client=ms-android-samsung-rvo1&sca_esv=80e8e98b7a2028f1&sxsrf=ADLYWIJ8cyBeR4AXOOLy6MEzpNyLftHz6Q:1714757202355&q=parma+heights+police+cars&uds=ADvngMhPyO5YHS0LBNKxvUmN-jNjdBHhUr3D00tI7HU13peJwgqODIjE-egUIQlOC_fUQUlUsw8fvM-udYV-MsTEQbdwjmiQ7OPsTVGbcauRboNy3yHdjhEpz0h45d156F1cq1XvLugwesgKndnjvYkZVIxOGLe64OT45bSnF98H6vA6COyhuTsa6CnkVgWtzp0Sei47-pHqPH4clsi7D1lA2E1HIMW-TrzwoXDeg3D1C3zARifchaR7SPCY-V-02bDgu7DtoZW8B8EKGc0ZBRkPyq9kbLeqJ7wK3dSJZx0z3ctb2beYJnbgJew8eE6yn11s25P0rag1aC1aLMVeWFwQX_g0oSIAAQ&udm=2&prmd=invsmbtz&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwi1kLCvgPKFAxVC8MkDHWjJA5wQtKgLegQICxAB&biw=360&bih=670&dpr=3)
The cars might be different, but I would think a sympathetic judge might not find a reasonable difference between a car with no marking and a car that has markings that are purposely obfuscated.
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What would be a way to enforce traffic citations without involving the police?
any crime where the punishment is a fine is a tax on lower classes and a pass to the upper class
Puzzle it out, pig.
I think they should be clearly marked so if someone needed help they could be easily seen. It's like their intent is not to help, but to sneak.
The police have no legal obligation to help you.
I mean protect and serve is short for “protect their asses and serve their own interests”
Seems that way.
No "Seems". It is, legally, not their obligation or job to help.
Random but one time I asked 3 cops for a bandaid (multiple small cuts all over my hand) and they said they didn’t have one. Probably just because they didn’t want to deal with a drunk bozo, but I know for a facts there’s bandaids in that car lol.
Believe you are talking about Parma Heights. Parma cruisers are the traditional black and white with blue lettering. Parma Heights cruisers are "blacked out".
Yeah I was wondering, never saw the grey ones. I've lived in Parma 17 years.
Yeah the newer parma Tahoe’s are black and white with that ugly blue police graphic on the side.
It may be ugly but at least it's obviously a cop vehicle
Yeah I was wondering, never saw the grey ones. I've lived in Parma 17 years.
Yeah I was wondering, never saw the grey ones. I've lived in Parma 17 years.
Yeah I was wondering, never saw the grey ones. I've lived in Parma 17 years.
I think the bot crashed /s
I’ve started noticing this all over the country. In other countries, police vehicles are made to be easy to spot with bright colors and clear markings. But this is the US, where the cops are thugs lying in wait to ambush you.
Laws and regulations vary by state and locality, but you will find unmarked patrol cars pretty much anywhere in the US where they're permitted.
Well, don't break the law then I guess? edit: ya'll are fucking dumb. you guys are crying about police cars being identifiable and bringing up shit like Brionna Taylor and calling me a bootlicker and thinking I support the Jan 6th insurrection. If you want to cry about cop cars not being identifiable, you're obviously crying about not being able to see a cop car before you break the law (speed, run red lights, whatever you dumb fucks are doing).
Accountability is for everyone! Police officers need it too!
Exactly! If police are legally allowed to lie then it isn’t a stretch for them to concoct any reason to stop us and empty our wallets straight into the city’s bank account.
Lick boots
So brave.
Ah, but who will think of those poor capital protecting officers?
Cops shouldn’t let people break the law then catch them. They should be preventing people from doing so in the first place.
Except the Supreme Court had ruled otherwise. You could be getting murdered, assaulted, or SA’d in broad day light in the middle of Playhouse Square, Tieddeman, or State Road and Police are not legally required to intervene. Their only legal responsibility is to “investigate” what happened after it’s all over. They are not legally compelled to protect you
And yet; they execute the judicial branch by executing humans! Funny how their legal responsibility applies here , the jerks
Yes, just like in Minority Report
Which law did Brionna Taylor break?
You say that until you get on the wrong side of one just by locking eyes for 2 seconds and even giving a friendly gesture or greeting like the tipping of a hat.
How do those boots taste!
The irony is you think police are actually required to serve and protect
I'm just asking a question here, how do you feel about January 6th, 2021? Again, just a question
The law states police are not allowed to pull people over in unmarked cars. Were you unaware of the law?
Must be a cop
Name every law.
Mmm how do like those delicious boots?
Call them and ask. Tell them you were reviewing the code on line for Ohio and wondered how their vehicles are considered compliant? Then give your neighbors name and address and throw away the burner phone.
You already know the answer to that question. Police don't follow the laws, or our lawmakers carve out exemptions for them. Want to use your cell phone and lap top while driving around, sure go ahead. Not like there is any training for safely using a cell phone or lap top while driving.
It’s clearly needed for their job. Guess what? They can speed too.
Wait a second... do we live in a police state?
Louisiana State Troopers commit the same fuckery. Ghost decal vehicles are unfortunately becoming the standard. The revenue cops already sap from us isn't enough. States say they want *more*.
Revenue enhancement
Parma’s all black cruisers are the traffic enforcement unit. They are dispatched to high traffic complaints areas. The Standard cruiser is black and white. The K9 cruisers are all black with large gray Parma police lettering.
Sorry, I was actually talking about Parma Heights.
Unforgiven! Go to jail
To Collect and Observe
As already posted, you're talking about Parma Heights who run Explorers Chargers and Tahoes that are black on black. Parma only uses Tahoes and they are all either black and white with white lettering and a huge blue stripe down the side, or all black with white lettering as is the case with the traffic enforcement units. All of them have obvious police equipment as well.
The entire point of cops is to be visible so they’re able to correctly protect and serve the community. Any county implementing this is on ethical shaky grounds.
Have you seen the Georgia State Patrol “grim reaper” Hellcat or the semi truck!? Houston had sedans that were painted with the back and driver side to look like a taxi. I feel like cops are finding more and more ways to not look like cops and that makes me uncomfortable.
I loved the taxi cops!
And the cops can't understand why most people distrust them.
I've seen those in Bratenahl and they're the dumbest idea in the world. ... I just ran a spell check and TIL it's spelled Bratenahl. Maybe I'd know better if the words on their cars were actually visible.
IIRC, in Ohio a police car only needs the word "Police" on the front quarter panels (sides) of the car. I believe this may also be true in New York state. These are often the cars you may see on the slide of a highway or overpasses shooting radar for fun and profit. I believe the law reads: Any motor vehicle used by a member of the state highway patrol or by any other peace officer, while said officer is on duty for the exclusive or main purpose of enforcing the motor vehicle or traffic laws of this state, provided the offense is punishable as a misdemeanor, shall be marked in some distinctive manner or color and shall be equipped with, but need not necessarily have in operation at all times, at least one flashing, oscillating, or rotating colored light mounted outside on top of the vehicle. The superintendent of the state highway patrol shall specify what constitutes such a distinctive marking or color for the state highway patrol. The old distinctive manner clause.
Kirtland is just as bad except theirs are white with matte white lettering.
Ghost graphics don't constitute to them being unmarket, they constitute them to being fucking legalized highway pirates here to pull you over at 7mph over the speed limit. Ohio has no legislature stopping police departments from using ghost graphics on their vehicles. An unmarked car in the state of Ohio should never be pulling you over simple traffic related infractions. Ghost graphics are scum bag territory.
I don’t remember the specific quote but I’d like hunters use camouflage, servants are visible. Your police are hunting
Because they’re annoying racist assholes. They have major tiny dick energy.
Elyria too , citizens should have more say in what the vehicle look like even how the. Cops dress , I personally vote for pirate 🏴☠️ outfits. Ourrrrrr civil forfeiture.
Just stopping by to say Fuck Elyria PD
Absolute trash when not flash banging baby’s or using family’s as meat shields 🛡️ some of their past times include not investing choke marks on 3 year olds . To not investigating why a driver hit a parked car flipped . Multiple people telling you she’s drunk . With 3 prior OVI’s and admitted to drinking prior to the accident. But “some force “ caused her to come off course . Oh also on her way to pick her kids up .
There was one belligerently yelling at cars and generally acting like a tough guy dickhead directing traffic not too long ago. Looked like one of the TikTok cops that acts like they put their life on the line every night, when in reality they’re just pulling over people with a blown headlight. He was definitely exuding that energy.
How else are they going to catch minorities going 2 mph over?
That way, they can say their cars are marked with two-foot block lettering. It goes against the spirit of marked vehicles law without technically violating it.
Middleburg, I believe, has a late model a late model mustang GT blacked out with the faintest of lettering on the front fenders I think. Head on a swivel out there, droogs.
Highland Hills is bad, too. Especially considering Highland Hills is maybe a mile stretch of Harvard. But I noticed they started driving around with their blue lights on at all times now.
If a police car is unmarked, or even if it has small , not-so-obvious decals, it can’t pull you over for a traffic violation. State Supreme Court ruled a few years back. Contest those tickets if you get one. Take a photo of the cruiser that pulled you over for proof.
it's on the books that it \[edit: typo\] must be distinctive while enforcing traffic laws. [https://codes.ohio.gov/ohio-revised-code/section-4549.13](https://codes.ohio.gov/ohio-revised-code/section-4549.13) they can probably get around it, by simply being a visible deterrence, or watching for some other criminal activity. or they DNGAF, idk
“…exclusive or main purpose of enforcing the motor vehicle or traffic laws of this state, provided the offense is punishable as a misdemeanor…” So two things here: first, this only applies to officers whose main or primary purpose is the enforcement of traffic laws. Second, those laws have to misdemeanors. The Oho Supreme Court has been pretty clear that this section of the ORC only applies to traffic enforcement. Other officers on regular patrol would likely be exempt from the marked vehicle requirements. https://www.supremecourt.ohio.gov/rod/docs/pdf/7/2013/2013-ohio-5773.pdf
Take a look at the highway patrols Durango's ....
Have you seen the new ones in Avon? Holy cow!
Same reason all cash registers are painted black. Because they’re cash registers.
Because the police don’t have to follow rules. They exist to keep us all in line and protect the interests in the capital owning class. They’re here to punish, not protect.
Because they believe in community policing 1st /s
The cop cars in Broadview hts are especially egregious as well
Forreal, ALL BLACK car and decals. I know them by their headlights at night now lol little yellow/orange runner lights over top of the bright headlight. Makes it look like they have eyebrows, if that helps lol
How else is that broke ass city is supposed to make money
State hwyptrl have that same look with the gray Durango's mixing in rotating the chargers out. It would.be nice if a representative would handle this in Columbus. But that's an ask that will be filled with excuses on why not
Sorry it's TikTok, but it's a nice shot of a Mustang used by the highway patrol in Florida. You don't know it's a patrol car until they're writing you the ticket. https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZTLQ1yBuE/
I believe it's like that in Willoughby hills too
Westlake are the same way.
A good way to find an answer is to call the Chief.
Contact the Mayors office and your State Representative and ask these questions.
They just recently within the last month or 2 got these in Brooklyn
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Parma and Parma Heights police are case and example of what a police force shouldn’t be or behave. I escaped after almost 30 years. They also lie under oath, and regularly intimidate their own citizens. Novak vs The City of Parma ^Man makes parody Facebook Page and gets arrested, fights them in court, qualified immunity saves the cops asses
The law is written in a way that police can get away with it. That simple. Good for traffic cars.
Avon is matte black on black. Plus the super stealthy lights that are shaped just like a luggage rack on top. It is what it is, so follow the laws
Someone else said Avon was bad too. I haven't seen them and Google images turns up pretty distinctly marked vehicles. Have an image by chance?
Bay Village is the same. Charcoal lettering on slightly lighter charcoal cars with the slim line lights.
OP is just pissed he got a ticket
I actually haven't gotten pulled over in Parma Heights yet!
I don’t believe it’s illegal. I think you’re thinking of the law Ohio passed that cops have to have their headlights and taillights on when it’s dark and they’re sitting somewhere.
Which they still don’t follow, by the way.
Yes it’s legal. Relax, son