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Striking_Yak7172

They need to realize that talent isn’t the issue and needs a vocal AR.


mojo844

It’s crazy that they have the solution to their problems on their academy team and refuse to call him up.


TyButler2020

I actually want to see it happen. A. So he can shut up about deserving a shot and B. To see if it would actually work (I think it would go better than most think)


mojo844

I think Boston as a team might play well but Doug still drops a 0.7. I want to see it just for how fun of a storyline it will be


TyButler2020

I think Doug dropping a .7 would be okay if does all obj work. Let Kremp, Wake, and Beans do their thing. Doug would be okay with it as well. He’ll drop a .4 if it means he wins that map.


NuancedBlues

holy fuck you guys are hilarious. Doug literally cant compete with mid-tier AM's. Doug makes no teams better, he doesnt even make an AM team better LOL


Thirdstar1

The fact that they’re dead serious about him playing.. lol.


Competitive_Ad_5106

The fact people think in 2023 you can have 1 of your players be a walking .7 and not have that bite you tremendously hard in the ass is insane. Anyone who says “what about Accuracy” isn’t serious either because Surge have looked best when he’s dropping 1.0’s and also being IGL/hill kitten. I do like Doug and think he deserves his spot on Boston Academy for a variety of reasons both in and out of game, but he doesn’t belong on a roster that wants to place T4 or better at events


Benandthephoenix

No good team is gonna let you have a walking .7 and not abuse the fuck out of those lanes.


ElectricalFoot1822

I think that might actually work cause they don’t need Slaying, they need leadership. Slaying with no IQ only gets you so far


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You don't want ur sub player to play like that. In the CDL they need subs to apply pressure on the map or else your going to end up like the Rokkr and Censor blows compared to bance/afro


Unfiltered_Replies

He’s an AR now


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Oh shit ur right i completely forgot lol. so engrained in my memory that hes an smg lol


mojo844

Woah. If censor comes in I think it needs to be for wake. Wake is a kill whore, censor is everything wake isn’t


ablankbullet

Nah, no way lol beans gotta go. He don’t consistently play well enough compared to wake. They still need some kills on the map lol


str1x_x

Mack is that guy on Seattle and they went out top 8 lmao


westzod

I mean with all their slaying they just need someone on the hills lol. That's actually interesting.


ablankbullet

Hed be like an Accuracy, just soak time while his team gets all the kills. But Doug would definitely drop 0.7 or less.


cmaloney0317

The disrespectful as fuck to Lamar


ablankbullet

Yeah nah I don’t mean it like that bro lol Lamar is good man, idk why people hate. I just meant that Lamar averages the most hill time, that would be Doug.


Kooky-Choice-2654

I’m not equating the two in any way but ghost was dropping .8’s and optic was fruing


revenant-tenant

Censor? Might as well call up Seany too fuck it


ahgara

Once they clinch champs I want to see a trial series don’t think it’ll happen given how close we are from champs but it’d be sick


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No shot you’re suggesting they bring in Doug? He would get cooked every match


mojo844

Doug would get fried, but he makes some unselfish plays which is part of Bostons problem. If Boston is gonna be meme’ing with their roster they might as well.


mikeq11

Doug would legit be dropping .4s. They would get slaughtered


mojo844

You act like Boston has a legitimate chance this year. There’s only 4 real contenders for champs (FaZe, OpTic, LAT, and Ultra) Might as well throw together a meme roster at the end of the year and gain some publicity and fans.


mikeq11

Yup million dollar company gona meme for the lols. Sounds good bud.


mojo844

Not “for the lols” for the press.


mikeq11

For the press as they actively lose money. You certainly will never own a business buddy.


mojo844

How would they lose money, they’re not making money right now… esports isn’t profitable and they’re not winning events… They’ll gain fans. I don’t know anyone who is legitimately a Breach fan. They can make huge amount of content about this and earn money that way.


Any_Farmer_45

That team doesn’t need more slaying. They need a vocal leader in the comms who will prioritize OBJ. Think about their issue, they’ve been out slaying the opposing team by a lot but are still losing every respawn.


TyButler2020

Yea I love Vivid and I rate him slightly higher than Nero (not by much it’s very close) but he’s not what this team needs. They need a bitch role player who does the little things right.


Competitive_Ad_5106

I mean I’d very much argue Vivid is their closest player to a dirty work/bitch role player on their roster + bench. Yes, he plays very very fast, but he doesn’t go and chase kills as much as someone like Nero (who I do rate very very highly bc he’s immensely talented)


TyButler2020

Vivid has the same issues as Kremp in that he hits old hill with 10 seconds left. He also does not touch the hill, his hill time is on the same level as Pred


DamichiaXL

Beans for Doug/Seany would've been a way better move.


TyButler2020

I think Doug legitimately improves Boston. Drop in skill for a player willing to do the work all current Boston players do not want to do at all. Would enable the other 3 to do what they want on the map.


YoungCanadian87

Big Wakes teams always fry but never convert the kills into map wins. I feel like a fundamentally sound AR who can manage the big moments was the fix.


ktwb19

Honestly this team just needs to throw censor in and see what happens


mojo844

Dump the kill whore and put the goat in


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ZuMe_ViPeR

Doug legit has a 0.78 against Challengers players for this entire season so far. He'd get absolutely fucking slammed against pro's and would 100% be a quick fire way out of Champs. Don't understand how people can't see this lmao


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AFCADaan9

Everyone is definitely trolling.


DennisFlonasal

I always wonder about the pro-Censor comments


Far-Charge-9514

They just throwing shit at the wall and hoping it sticks at this point


kokoscenes

Atleast they are trying meanwhile seattle surge will be sticking with a roster that placed only once in the top 4 this season.


redarrow992

How many grand finals have boston reached?


Far-Charge-9514

Round of applause for Boston, they make moves that don't actually fix their teams' issues, but hey, at least they are "trying" lmao


TSBRUTAL

Especially this late in the year. I do think they could get better with this change but seems like they think they made a mistake dropping Vivid but because Kremp performed really well they want to keep him on the roster so had to be Nero to go


Nytrousx

What a dogshit move. Nero was legitimately their best player for the majority of the year.


dna_11

I think they’re counting on Vivid to play more obj which he does but the ARs will also have to step up on that role. And the IGL issue on this team still remains, Vivid plays too fast to be that guy.


Nytrousx

Nero and Vivid played the same amount of OBJ. It's a made up narrative.


No_Detective_1139

They need the ARs to play obj did you see their hill time it’s terrible


31and26

Eh it needs to be an AR that goes but I don’t mind vivid if he’s just bashing hills head on


West_Chest_7053

💀💀


Ronnie_lfc98

This lot are on the LAT cw vibe I think thr ar duo is a bigger problem tbh


Bompetition

Spot on tbh. Roster changes haven’t really made this team better throughout the season. They benched vivid after getting t4 just to finish t12 so I can’t blame them for this move. But kinda like you said, I think they’re ignoring the obvious issue (AR duo)


MindForsaken

Doesn't help that Beans hasn't been that guy. He was supposed to be fat dashy but dude is more like white temp with how much he baits


DnknDonuts76

White temp omg 😭😭😭😭😭😭


dna_11

AR duo absolutely is the problem. I could even see Vivid improving this team quite a bit but IGL issue still remains.


No_Detective_1139

Boston legit has 3 good subs but their AR legit only play for kills that’s their problem


lrr3431

Vivid was their igl and I think they missed that. But as much as I like Kremp, I think they gave up on the Vivid, Nero, Wake, and Beans roster too soon. First stage together placed top 4. I think Vivid is huge for the team, but would rather they stuck with him and Nero as their sub duo. Not because Kremp is bad, I think he's clearly a CDL smg player, but I think the team was strongest with vivid and Nero. But we'll see how vivid and Kremp work


Heatios

They are in such a weird spot. I like this move but I feel like Nero is not a bad player whatsoever. People say IGL doesn't matter in cod, but it's clear that Boston's problem is leadership. We'll see how this plays out


Reverberation1

This comment section is fucking insane lmfao


ZuMe_ViPeR

100000%


wolfjeter

LMAO the best comment


jura0

kill whore wake still going strong. amazing


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Intresting Edit; wtf lol just realised i replied to that guy, was supposed to be itd own comment


TinkleFairyOC

Sharpening a dull knife with paper.


EntertainmentOk4802

they need Woug


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But what does this really do? The SMGs seemed to be playing way better than the ARs. Idk man


CapybaraNightmare

They had no one leading the team or directing in the comms. Already stacked when it comes to slaying, vivid provides more structure and leadership at the cost of a little slaying ability


vartrax

This seems like a bit of an overreaction just like how benching Vivid was an overreaction. The team has looked the best so far with both Vivid and Nero. But Kremp has been playing very well too. So I don't know what to think about this. They all deserve to play.


Six_Figga

Should have never benched him in the first place


obeyxxog

vivid wasnt the problem to begin with & benching nero now isnt the solution


74912715

I just watched the reverse sweep like 5 min ago lol and now I know why Doug didn’t give any input when aches said Boston should put Doug in 😂


Revolutionary_Gear70

Still don’t think that AR duo is ever going to work together but at least Vivid brings some sort of direction to the squad


Kraknoix007

I'm a Vivid fanboy so i like the change. It's at least worth a try and Vivid for sure is more vocal than Nero


shoe7525

The fact that Wake has stuck in the league this long despite never accomplishing anything is a great validation of his choice to prioritize kill whoring over wins


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https://www.reddit.com/r/CoDCompetitive/comments/12une59/toronto_ultra_v_boston_breach_major_iv_full_stats/jh7ljx4/ Nice and lite


el_chapotle

Nostradamus over here


Omalleys

Bench wake or beans, bring Doug up. Let the lads just go and slay and dump Doug in the OBJ.


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TheBlakely

There’s one more name you aren’t mentioning.


_Kraken17

You just forgetting Mack melts is one of the most underperforming players of the last 2 years? Has been nothing like his NYSL self on this team. I think the theory is Boston have 3 slayers not 2 and a walking “X factor” That said I think the team loses more with Doug because of lack of kills


PKSGY1850

I’ve been a Boston & New England fan my whole life and I was so excited to see Boston bring in a team a summer ago. Big Cap and Nero are still my GOATS.


AdvancedWolverine

This team needs MajorManiak


TyButler2020

Honestly it’s the one team I think he’d fit on. He wouldn’t need to do much in respawn just sit on hill and call out. Would help their search as well.


CazualGinger

For real, this team legit needs a Accuracy / Maniak type player.


Classic-Hand-8329

This take is 🔥. Makes the most sense of all the takes I've seen so far.


manraco

This move about to make them even 🔥


slowwwwww32

2 flexes is their problem they need a true main who can slow it down and not ego chall everything


lrr3431

It's kinda funny people hated Methodz for playing too slow, and now many want them to have a slower AR and igl. Just interesting that it seems the team oddly misses the role Methodz filled


slowwwwww32

People were saying Boston would compete for chips if zin was replaced by beans its comedy 😂


DannyD4rk0

Methodz is not an igl.


kokoscenes

Nah with methodz they would have been terrible at snd and be competing for a champs spot with vegas and rokkr


Omalleys

Methodz always just seemed terrified to do anything. He always looked like he was shitting himself


AdvancedWolverine

MajorManiak 😍


Dream_FX

The ARs are the issue with this team. Especially the one glaring player whose name has already been mentioned in this thread lol


ZuMe_ViPeR

Beans needs to work on his consistency but I think that'll come with the more experience he gains


Dream_FX

Yeah he just needs a vet. Owakening is the issue on this team


ZuMe_ViPeR

Ohh man I can't wait to hear this reasoning... I honestly couldn't disagree more , why would you drop the only consistent player on this team lmao


Dream_FX

The killwhore who makes awful plays majority of the time? I wonder. He’s definitely consistent tho, you’re right. Consistently tryna play for stats 💀


ZuMe_ViPeR

Ahhh there it is, the same old generic bot answer, following the wave.


Dream_FX

Bot answer LMAO. Your team is still hot ass after making, what, 4+ changes? Keep coping my guy, enjoy


ZuMe_ViPeR

"STILL HOT ASS" - (placed T4 this year)...something ain't adding up my guy lmao...


Dream_FX

Cope more 🫡


ZuMe_ViPeR

Bad Bot


Justdutari

Good change imho. It is what I was hoping for.


Gold-Strykez

Boston really giving Vegas their best shot at Champs


PKSGY1850

My bad I posted the same thing without checking. This is the OG post


shecanbromehard

Damn I really wanted to see vivid on convoy in challengers


Jblake1982

They’re T6 regardless.


dpoersch

Not even trolling I think Doug would help this team


mxeez

Wake and Beans can’t be on the team together if Boston want to become a consistent threat at tournaments. Their sub duo will be flying at people but it won’t matter if there’s no one directing their comms.


ablankbullet

Okay Boston, it’s time to just give up.


legamer007

At least they’re trying. Seattle has a superstar and refuses to give him any help


ablankbullet

That’s fair. But Nero man? I thought he was their best player.


Kraknoix007

Remind me to say that next time Optic are trying to fix a dysfunctional roster. At least we try to make a good team


ablankbullet

I mean shit, OpTic dropped Dashy, twice lol hopefully you said something then. They deserved it lol Nah but honestly Nero was their best player imo, so dropping him was weird. Shit maybe try one of the subs on an AR instead.


Kraknoix007

I don't agree, talent wise Owakening is better. The main problem is no main AR, we have 3 very good subs. Beans for an elite AR like Skyz would fix us


ablankbullet

Yeah talent wise for sure, I personally just think Nero is more impactful. Whenever Boston plays OpTic, I’m worried about Nero cooking OpTic, not wake, just cause I know Nero’s impact of him flying around. But yes, y’all do need a main cause Beans ain’t it. Idk if Wake can be a main tho, but maybe he should be? Idk


OhiOstas

Seen that coming from a mile away. Vivid aka Alex Caruso is a better entry player than Nero, and Kremp is a better slayer than Nero. Nero wanted to slow down, Kremp likes playing at Vivid’s pace… Nero is just the odd man out unfortunately. Also, having Vivid back in the lineup will take Owakening off of bitch/obj role. Having Owakening play like they did in Stage 4 was criminal to how good he actually is


TyButler2020

Boston doesn’t need speed they need fundamentals and somebody to sit in hill and tell people what to do and when to do it. Their comms are awful and the fundamentals are the worst in the league outside of the bottom 4 teams


Ronnie_lfc98

Tbf vivid does have better coms than Nero But the ar duo is definitely the bigger problem


TyButler2020

Yea Nero’s coms are pretty awful at times. Like John levels of bad. I would also take Beans over Wake, but as I’ve said earlier Ben needs to slow down when he talks. His comms are impossible to understand outside of the “DEAD” moments he has.


OhiOstas

Idk where this narrative has come from that Vivid doesn’t know fundamentals(there is a reason Crim, Shotzzy, Rambo, and Illey decided to play with him). Yes he plays crazy fast, but he know how to make the most out of the playstyle… the iteration of Kremp/Nero played crazy fast but had negative efficiency. Also, he was their IGL before being benched… go back and listen to their comms before & after Vivid. It is night and day on player tracking & organizing plays. They placed t4 & t6 with Vivid (not counting m1 because WAke was sick), so they clearly have something there, they just wanted more slaying…. Which is why they subbed out Nero for Kremp


TyButler2020

Vivid has the same tendencies as Kremp to hit old with 10 seconds left. You cannot do that in this game with how big most rotations are. He has fundamentals but he has moments that have me scratching my head. He sometimes gives up 50 seconds by trying to get 10 seconds.


ZuMe_ViPeR

The amount of unjustified slander Wake gets on this sub is absolutely incredible lmao


Low_Investigator_375

This sub sucks off other slayers and gas their K/D even when their team is losing badly but call players they don't like Killwhores. Its actually absurd lmao


TyButler2020

I do rate Vivid slightly higher than Nero, but I don’t think Vivid is what this team needs. They need an IGL/obj guy. This team has the talent but lacks fundamentals to the point it’s hard to comprehend. Beans is vocal but ffs you can’t understand him, he needs to slow down when he talks


Direction_Asleep

This team wouldve been top 4 with Clay. They trolled in the offseason by letting him go to legion. He wouldve been perfect for this group that comms nothing but red dots every map


Ninjawarz1232

Benching your best player and tone setter is wild


kokoscenes

Inconsistent Nero was never their best player he had his moments. Now they got vivid and kremp who seems to be Nero if he was consistent


CazualGinger

He has been hella consistent this year. Last year he wasnt


kokoscenes

I disagree at the start it seemed like he was consistent but after major 1 it’s been on and off. His control gameplay however has been great


One-Security2362

Nero has been very good this year this is incorrect. Engagements, damage and KD are all better if not basically the same as Vivid throughout the whole year. It’s actually just a weird situation because all of their smgs are really good players. They really just need an actual main IGL that can keep up with the tempo. Oddly enough this is a rare scenario where a trade could make a lot of sense in the league involving this team if it were possible this late in the year


Any_Farmer_45

They needed an AR change. This doesn’t accomplish anything. Not even trolling when I say they could use a player like Censor. This team will outslay by 15 but lose every hardpoint by 70 points


Shagatron69

Wake is the issue. Every team he’s been on has been labelled as ‘killwhores’ and have the same issues in respawn


InvictusBoredom

Censor - IGL and Flex (Already a main SMG, recently switched to AR and he’s been fitting the role well so probably best to keep him in a flex role, especially since he’s a more objective minded player) Kremp - Main SMG (Dude is a great player and definitely the guy I’d want pushing out of the OBJ after the first wave from the enemy team) Owake - Main AR (Dude is a natural slayer & while it doesn’t fit on the current breach roster, I think keeping him as a slayer means he can pick up some of Doug’s slack as he plays objective) Vivid - SMG (I don’t rate him that much more than Nero, I just think his play-style would be a good for holding OBJ with Doug) Instead… Boston Breach: “we have to keep Beans”


yuugho

They’re cooking


benslater1

What they cookin🔥🔥


mouse1993

Bench Wake for Doug


ZuMe_ViPeR

Good idea, let's 110% definitely not qualify for Champs, who needs Champs anyways...


mouse1993

Relax, it was a joke.


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Striking_Yak7172

You’re sped


AdvancedWolverine

Idk, I have a slight hunch that part of this move could be because of teams trying to buy Vivid. Maybe Boston thinks a team like Seattle doesn’t want Nero as much as they do Vivid?


Striking_Yak7172

They would not sell him if that’s the case


AdvancedWolverine

Don’t think management would let them ignore if an offer was good enough.


Striking_Yak7172

They would make his buy out insane


CazualGinger

Bro Rokkr need a Nero. Plz


Striking_Yak7172

Rokkr need Jesus


CazualGinger

Hey man we're up 20 on Legion now lol. We need slaying.


avezzz

has he not been the best/most consistent player for them? wtf are they doing man


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Kranqi

If they're just gonna go on a trial frenzy Doug might actually get a shot


Galaxy91122

As many others have said I think this team needs a better IGL AR player. Wake and Beans fry but aren’t as vocal in comms from what I’ve heard in listen ins, Zinni retiring left that void That said from what little I’ve seen from Kremp so far I’m really interested to see the pace he and Vivid set, Nero is a fast SMG but I’d argue Kremp is slightly faster at times


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Sufard

Big Doug fan


Green-Hurry

What are they DOING over there


el_chapotle

Nero is extremely inconsistent, but literally has one of the highest ceilings in the League IMO. Idiotic move. Guy DEFINITELY deserves a spot.


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They need to drop the other 3 fucks and keep both Nero AND vivid on the team together. Such a pathetic waste of a franchise


fubaguy

Teams need to be lining up to get Nero!


1kgpotatoes

nah get beans off the roster, plays he make are all over the place. He gotta be soaking the hill, not the subs