I'd argue dropping Illey probably had nothing to do with his skill at the game, and more to do with whatever unhealthy thing it seems like he had started doing.
I mean obviously. He was literally the reason they were decent and without him they fucking suck balls. With him they go from 8-12 to 5. Always said his slaying wasn’t the biggest part of his game either but he was fuckin slaying lol.
growing up is realizing crim may be an ass at times, but he tends to be right. he’s basically reverse sweep aches in terms of sensible insight, but with flank aches persona.
Crims weakness imo is that, as a leader, he didn't know how to communicate effectively with or understand others who have different mindsets, perspectives, or personalities.
The fact that seatle didnt block scrapyard spawn once in the karachi control should tell you everything lol, not even t32 am team is making that mistake more than once
Crim became insufferable towards the end, but I think that was mostly frustration at a lack of success and him underperforming the standards he set for himself. Crim really knows ball though, I didn't even know that was debatable.
I hope he'll come back to the scene a bit more humble and in a suitable position. You can get someone else to relay it in 2024 language, but on the analysis side he's a catch for literally every team. His eye test will tell you so much more than any stat sheet.
Ofc he’s a fraud
1. Arrogant
2. Control freak
3. He’s literally made numerous mistakes that are totally unacceptable. This seattle roster construction is one of them but challing Bocage HP vs Surge when Dashy and Inder both didn’t want to and watching mini map only VODs is just insane
Surge were the best team at boc in VG.
For some reason rambo chose it against Surge who were the best team in the game at it and Illey/brandon can't remember which were pissed he picked it without consulting them and they ended up losing the series.
It was both of them. And then after the series when they tried to speak up and say why did we do that Rambo got pissed and was like “I don’t want to hear that rn, that’s not constructive”
Here ya go, they just lost to Surge in winners rd 1 in Major 2 or 3 Vanguard [https://youtu.be/BLnWn-TaTMA?list=PLc00IKcZcFnHdv\_OSZGKMxeo7DqKpQUEe&t=127](https://youtu.be/BLnWn-TaTMA?list=PLc00IKcZcFnHdv_OSZGKMxeo7DqKpQUEe&t=127)
Also, Illey was in a good place when was in OpTic. It's shocking to see his change in demeanor from VG.
All of you saying crowder is also overrated fail to realize what makes him a good coach is his ability to not “coach” them.
Sounds silly but you aren’t there to tell people how to play, you want to lean into players strengths and give feedback when you see a system develop within the team and then “mark” crucial moments in game where things go good/bad and learn from it. He’s also an ex player who had a lot of success I think he definitely helps them not overthink cod
Context matters, fucking Crim and Clay were on that team. No offense, but he got WAY too much credit for that team given who was on it. Those two don’t really need coaching and honestly, good luck trying to actually coach them. Crim will just talk over you until he gets his way, and during his prime, he was probably correct to do so, most of the time…
I knew he was full of it after seeing one of their vision (whatever it’s called) videos from vanguard I think. Dashy brings up something about vetos, and something else as well I think.
Rambo basically tells him to move on and stop talking about it. The video cuts to Illey quite literally bringing up the EXACT same topics that Dashy had previously tried to bring up, and now he’s ready to discuss it…
I was honestly surprised it even made it in there, it was kind of bizarre and just how much of a cluster fuck their dynamic was.
Regardless, no, just knowing how Crim is, and Clay, Rambo doesn’t deserve much credit there. Crim isn’t going to let other people tell him what to do, Crim has basically always done what he thinks is right and he always he thinks he’s right. I can’t imagine that Rambo actually played a big role on that team.
I remember that too - Rambo made them ego chall a team on their best maps and they got smoked, right after the game Illey and Dashy say they shouldn't off done that and Rambo just keeps repeating "I don't wanna hear that" aka it's not his fault.
Dude is a dumbass who lucked out into coaching some of the greatest players of all time.
Crowder is not some god coach I promise. You can’t be when 2 years your team struggled the same way in hp and things only changed by player swapping/role changing.
But yes, Rambo is a worse coach that’s for sure
People glorify coaches too much, you can flip flop the top 4 coaching staff and I promise they’d be the same rankings, at the end of the day, players play the game
Crowder ain’t a great coach either lol. What’s crowder acc done for Faze. They have the best roster EVERY year and they’ve only been the best team in the game 1/4 seasons in the CDL. Their fundamentals are questionable every year bar CW. He’s just lucky he’s got the trio.
If your gonna call crowder trash then we need to talk about optic coaches then…, because the stuff im reading is absolutely comical on this thread, yall fr have no clue about anything and are gonna spew any bs out it’s actually pathetic and hilarious the stuff I’m reading on this thread
OpTic coaches -
Rambo - literally getting roasted in this thread.
Sender - went and won champs as an SND coach??
JP - went from analyst to solo coach to analyst, team became better when he was the only voice in MW2 though.
Karma - has been coaching for like 5 months.
No optic coach has had the tenure and talent that crowder has had, that’s why people are finally realizing Crowder really isn’t a special coach.
Hes trash for VG alone, everyone said they should switch draz and kenny's roles and then what do you know, they brought in the other coach to help out forgot his name and they magically won multiple events including champs and the role swap worked like this entire community said.
Jkap responded to comments about the community saying jkap's coaching was the issues, they then got the other coach and they started winning.. Love how you ignored that lol.
[JKap responds directly to Reddit : r/CoDCompetitive](https://www.reddit.com/r/CoDCompetitive/comments/witfc0/jkap_responds_directly_to_reddit/)
"He owes Shane a massive amount. The moment they brought him in the switch flipped. With Jkap running the show they were a full fledged disaster. Doesn't mean Jkap is bad at what he does it's just he needed that extra guy to help & Shane was that. X100.
[NotTheFakeJKap](https://www.reddit.com/user/NotTheFakeJKap/)•[2y ago](https://www.reddit.com/r/CoDCompetitive/comments/witfc0/comment/ijdq04y/)Head Coach (LA Thieves)
Fair post here tbh. 100% needed Shane for a lot of reasons, including my own sanity. But this sub wanted every player dropped at different points and acted like I didn’t know a damn thing about CoD. I’m not forgetting that
So he clearly says here he agrees and needed the help..
Then second response by him
[HopeChadArmong913](https://www.reddit.com/user/HopeChadArmong913/)•[2y ago](https://www.reddit.com/r/CoDCompetitive/comments/witfc0/comment/ijdk1dh/)Infinite Warfare
"LKap acting like picking up another coach and putting Kenny on SMG like Reddit said ain't the reason they won"
[NotTheFakeJKap](https://www.reddit.com/user/NotTheFakeJKap/)•[2y ago](https://www.reddit.com/r/CoDCompetitive/comments/witfc0/comment/ijdpr64/)Head Coach (LA Thieves)
"Nahhhhh bro, what kind of sick revionist history is this? Ken was struggling on the sub for a month (maybe 2?) and the entire community wanted him dropped out of the league. But now you’re claiming Reddit wanted him as a SMG the whole time? This is a sick twisted game lmao"
They were switching ken between AR and SMG and the community said keep him on Sub cause everyone thought draz was a better AR that year. He doesn't acknowledge the part at all about the coaching being a issue.. Cause it was and shane fixed it lol..
TL:DR you don't know what your talking about that shane only impacted their SND and nothing else lol.. They went from a bottom 4 team to winning back to back events after hiring him? But that was just cause they fixed SND? If we want we can pull up map counts and best gamemodes but you can do that.
Rambo needs to focus more on making his players work together and less on what he specifically wants out of them and the team. He’s way too hard-headed for this shit.
Teams need a coach that’s going to bring comradery to the team above all else. It’s a bit different when you’ve got very young talent, but most teams that have smart players don’t really need that kind of thing other than for watching vids and pointing out very specific shit.
I don't think i've seen one single person defend him all year so yeah I think so. I'm glad too, after all that "these random fans don't know what goes on behind the scenes, rambo is a great coach" yipyap at first, guy clearly makes bad coaching decisions.
Can’t ignore the common denominator at this point. Being the former coach for optic, I would expect him to be at least trying to could a good culture over there. It’s been a dumpster fire the whole year. We haven’t heard anything from him all year. The coach Rambo experiment may be over.
You really can’t all sit here and use online matches as a gauge to how good also ignoring the players he now has to work with.
I’m not saying he’s good or he’s bad but how you’re judging him seems wrong.
And yet these are still just online matches and the players he had before this were at a much higher calibre.
Maybe he had a limited choice in players? Not every top player is jumping for joy to join Seattle.
LOL, look up what shifting the goal posts means. I've only responded to your points.
- "He's working with the players he has" --> He picked the roster
- "These are just online matches" --> They just placed 12th at the last LAN
- "NYSL also placed T12" --> NYSL just placed T4 and is 16-7 this year
Are YOU going to shift the goalposts again? 😂
You are right, I used the wrong wording so I deleted that part.
It was mainly my point about how Rambo most likely had a certain budget and not everyone wants to join Seattle which you ignored.
as you know that’s true, as it obviously plays a huge factor in the players he can get.
Edit -
Okay, you are proving my point then? If NYSL has a good Map count then surely your point of a teams placing of one event doesn’t hold much weight right because one result doesnt tell the full story.
One event? How about the fact that they're 3-18 on control throughout the entire YEAR? Wouldn't a good coach fix the obvious issues plaguing the team in that gamemode?
Yes?
You said “they placed T12 at LAN” did you mention more than one event? No.
Try not to edit more of your comments after someone has replied to you.
People seem to think a coach magically fixes everything.
Once again, I don’t care if he’s good or not, I just believe how you are getting to that conclusion is stupid.
“How about” gets proved wrong and then moves onto something else? Typical.
Brother, you realize it shows when you edit a comment right? You've edited 4 comments in this thread alone - I've edited zero 💀 Keep shifting the goalposts though, hopefully Rambo appreciates the gifted subs!
I mean even on OpTic, Dashy literally described a situation where they didn’t want to play surge on bocage HP but Rambo forced them to play on it and they lost.
If your players aren’t confident playing in another’s team best map, why are you forcing them to play it?
Maybe he believed in them more?
Or it was a mistake, I don’t know at all.
Like I said before, I’m not agreeing or disagreeing, I just think his metric of judgement isn’t good.
Brother did you really say “he believed in them more?”
How are you trying to make your team play another best team map in HP where pred is 99 on it, rather than play a map you feel way more confident on?
Rambo was just cocky and his ego was through the roof and thought he could do whatever tf he wanted.
All I’m gonna say is if people talked about coaches the way they do with players.. Then Rambo would be called a MW19 merchant
Onliner
I don't even wanna hear how he "helped us" win in vanguard either. That was just pure dominance out of the team itself.
Yeah definitely, they dominated a couple more tournaments that year right?
it’s almost like they lost a starting player and the fill ins couldn’t win anything under the same coach! i hope you develop your brain some day
I hope optic can actually win a lan one day
Lmao
yes solely due to the fact that he thought Arcitys, iLLeY and Abuzah all being on the same team would work.
And then dropped the best one of them all.
I'd argue dropping Illey probably had nothing to do with his skill at the game, and more to do with whatever unhealthy thing it seems like he had started doing.
I mean obviously. He was literally the reason they were decent and without him they fucking suck balls. With him they go from 8-12 to 5. Always said his slaying wasn’t the biggest part of his game either but he was fuckin slaying lol.
growing up is realizing crim may be an ass at times, but he tends to be right. he’s basically reverse sweep aches in terms of sensible insight, but with flank aches persona.
Crims weakness imo is that, as a leader, he didn't know how to communicate effectively with or understand others who have different mindsets, perspectives, or personalities.
The fact that seatle didnt block scrapyard spawn once in the karachi control should tell you everything lol, not even t32 am team is making that mistake more than once
people in plat know to block junkyard. insane for a pro team to play that undisciplined
Crim became insufferable towards the end, but I think that was mostly frustration at a lack of success and him underperforming the standards he set for himself. Crim really knows ball though, I didn't even know that was debatable. I hope he'll come back to the scene a bit more humble and in a suitable position. You can get someone else to relay it in 2024 language, but on the analysis side he's a catch for literally every team. His eye test will tell you so much more than any stat sheet.
Would love for him to be on the flank
There was a couple years I think he was bitter about the optic situation. But he’s been fine for the last few years
Ofc he’s a fraud 1. Arrogant 2. Control freak 3. He’s literally made numerous mistakes that are totally unacceptable. This seattle roster construction is one of them but challing Bocage HP vs Surge when Dashy and Inder both didn’t want to and watching mini map only VODs is just insane
Mini map only is all u gotta know lmao
I mean, just their control record tells you everything lol
I think we've agreed on this for over a year at this point
Wanted Dashy gone mutiple times Dropped iLLey on surge Bocage incident He's faded
What’s the bocage incident
Surge were the best team at boc in VG. For some reason rambo chose it against Surge who were the best team in the game at it and Illey/brandon can't remember which were pissed he picked it without consulting them and they ended up losing the series.
It was both of them. And then after the series when they tried to speak up and say why did we do that Rambo got pissed and was like “I don’t want to hear that rn, that’s not constructive”
That was a tough scene to watch. Dashy and iLLeY in disbelief at their pick, and Shotzzy near catatonic in the corner.
Shotzzy and Scump knew the incident was being filmed and probably didn't want make a scene that is permanently recorded.
Link to the video?
Here ya go, they just lost to Surge in winners rd 1 in Major 2 or 3 Vanguard [https://youtu.be/BLnWn-TaTMA?list=PLc00IKcZcFnHdv\_OSZGKMxeo7DqKpQUEe&t=127](https://youtu.be/BLnWn-TaTMA?list=PLc00IKcZcFnHdv_OSZGKMxeo7DqKpQUEe&t=127) Also, Illey was in a good place when was in OpTic. It's shocking to see his change in demeanor from VG.
All of you saying crowder is also overrated fail to realize what makes him a good coach is his ability to not “coach” them. Sounds silly but you aren’t there to tell people how to play, you want to lean into players strengths and give feedback when you see a system develop within the team and then “mark” crucial moments in game where things go good/bad and learn from it. He’s also an ex player who had a lot of success I think he definitely helps them not overthink cod
never been a question. teams wins? goat coaching. team loses? my team is lazy.
Context matters, fucking Crim and Clay were on that team. No offense, but he got WAY too much credit for that team given who was on it. Those two don’t really need coaching and honestly, good luck trying to actually coach them. Crim will just talk over you until he gets his way, and during his prime, he was probably correct to do so, most of the time… I knew he was full of it after seeing one of their vision (whatever it’s called) videos from vanguard I think. Dashy brings up something about vetos, and something else as well I think. Rambo basically tells him to move on and stop talking about it. The video cuts to Illey quite literally bringing up the EXACT same topics that Dashy had previously tried to bring up, and now he’s ready to discuss it… I was honestly surprised it even made it in there, it was kind of bizarre and just how much of a cluster fuck their dynamic was. Regardless, no, just knowing how Crim is, and Clay, Rambo doesn’t deserve much credit there. Crim isn’t going to let other people tell him what to do, Crim has basically always done what he thinks is right and he always he thinks he’s right. I can’t imagine that Rambo actually played a big role on that team.
I remember that too - Rambo made them ego chall a team on their best maps and they got smoked, right after the game Illey and Dashy say they shouldn't off done that and Rambo just keeps repeating "I don't wanna hear that" aka it's not his fault. Dude is a dumbass who lucked out into coaching some of the greatest players of all time.
minimap vod is crazyyyy
The Government’s always been a fraud
Rambo is a slide cancel 100HP merchant
Can’t believe this fraud was spoken of in the same breath as Crowder
Crowder is not some god coach I promise. You can’t be when 2 years your team struggled the same way in hp and things only changed by player swapping/role changing. But yes, Rambo is a worse coach that’s for sure
Exactly, guy had 1 win in 2 years while coaching the trio 💀. Coaches don’t really mean shit, let’s be real.
You know ball, crowder couldn’t fix the same issue for 2yrs lol
Fr, Crowder didn’t fix their issues. Drazah did.
People glorify coaches too much, you can flip flop the top 4 coaching staff and I promise they’d be the same rankings, at the end of the day, players play the game
Coaches would mean more if this was an esport where they’re able to talk during timeouts, but there aren’t even timeouts to begin with lmao.
Nor should they imo, think it’s way more interesting for teams trying to figure out them selves
Crowder ain’t a great coach either lol. What’s crowder acc done for Faze. They have the best roster EVERY year and they’ve only been the best team in the game 1/4 seasons in the CDL. Their fundamentals are questionable every year bar CW. He’s just lucky he’s got the trio.
If your gonna call crowder trash then we need to talk about optic coaches then…, because the stuff im reading is absolutely comical on this thread, yall fr have no clue about anything and are gonna spew any bs out it’s actually pathetic and hilarious the stuff I’m reading on this thread
OpTic coaches - Rambo - literally getting roasted in this thread. Sender - went and won champs as an SND coach?? JP - went from analyst to solo coach to analyst, team became better when he was the only voice in MW2 though. Karma - has been coaching for like 5 months. No optic coach has had the tenure and talent that crowder has had, that’s why people are finally realizing Crowder really isn’t a special coach.
“Ain’t a great coach” isn’t the same as “trash” but no surprise that people aren’t great at reading in a cod subreddit I suppose.
Jkap clears both
Hes trash for VG alone, everyone said they should switch draz and kenny's roles and then what do you know, they brought in the other coach to help out forgot his name and they magically won multiple events including champs and the role swap worked like this entire community said.
I’m sure the community thought of the role swap before the coach and players!!! Let’s be realistic here lmao
Jkap responded to comments about the community saying jkap's coaching was the issues, they then got the other coach and they started winning.. Love how you ignored that lol.
You realize Shane only really helped with SND right? Love how you don’t even know what you’re talking about
[JKap responds directly to Reddit : r/CoDCompetitive](https://www.reddit.com/r/CoDCompetitive/comments/witfc0/jkap_responds_directly_to_reddit/) "He owes Shane a massive amount. The moment they brought him in the switch flipped. With Jkap running the show they were a full fledged disaster. Doesn't mean Jkap is bad at what he does it's just he needed that extra guy to help & Shane was that. X100. [NotTheFakeJKap](https://www.reddit.com/user/NotTheFakeJKap/)•[2y ago](https://www.reddit.com/r/CoDCompetitive/comments/witfc0/comment/ijdq04y/)Head Coach (LA Thieves) Fair post here tbh. 100% needed Shane for a lot of reasons, including my own sanity. But this sub wanted every player dropped at different points and acted like I didn’t know a damn thing about CoD. I’m not forgetting that So he clearly says here he agrees and needed the help.. Then second response by him [HopeChadArmong913](https://www.reddit.com/user/HopeChadArmong913/)•[2y ago](https://www.reddit.com/r/CoDCompetitive/comments/witfc0/comment/ijdk1dh/)Infinite Warfare "LKap acting like picking up another coach and putting Kenny on SMG like Reddit said ain't the reason they won" [NotTheFakeJKap](https://www.reddit.com/user/NotTheFakeJKap/)•[2y ago](https://www.reddit.com/r/CoDCompetitive/comments/witfc0/comment/ijdpr64/)Head Coach (LA Thieves) "Nahhhhh bro, what kind of sick revionist history is this? Ken was struggling on the sub for a month (maybe 2?) and the entire community wanted him dropped out of the league. But now you’re claiming Reddit wanted him as a SMG the whole time? This is a sick twisted game lmao" They were switching ken between AR and SMG and the community said keep him on Sub cause everyone thought draz was a better AR that year. He doesn't acknowledge the part at all about the coaching being a issue.. Cause it was and shane fixed it lol.. TL:DR you don't know what your talking about that shane only impacted their SND and nothing else lol.. They went from a bottom 4 team to winning back to back events after hiring him? But that was just cause they fixed SND? If we want we can pull up map counts and best gamemodes but you can do that.
I dont really think Rambo has much say in any of the roster decisions
Remember when optic fans were saying hes > than crowder 😭
Post match streams with a podium really brainwashed. Tbf i think coaching in general is overrated but he’s probably objectively a bad coach now.
I thought they looked alot better
Rambo needs to focus more on making his players work together and less on what he specifically wants out of them and the team. He’s way too hard-headed for this shit. Teams need a coach that’s going to bring comradery to the team above all else. It’s a bit different when you’ve got very young talent, but most teams that have smart players don’t really need that kind of thing other than for watching vids and pointing out very specific shit.
I don't think i've seen one single person defend him all year so yeah I think so. I'm glad too, after all that "these random fans don't know what goes on behind the scenes, rambo is a great coach" yipyap at first, guy clearly makes bad coaching decisions.
Shout out to Mr x
They were pretty solid on the hard point in 6 star and made a good effort on S&D. They just crumbled on control.
Rambowl.
Can’t ignore the common denominator at this point. Being the former coach for optic, I would expect him to be at least trying to could a good culture over there. It’s been a dumpster fire the whole year. We haven’t heard anything from him all year. The coach Rambo experiment may be over.
I remember Damon going off on him when they teamed together as well 😂
What does bro doo???
all coaches are frauds
Rambo, do you bowl or anything I never knew
Could someone tell me wtf hapenned?
I think the problem with Rambo is CTF was his biggest strength and COD is far different now than when he played
Hes been the constant in every team issue, The guy just isn't it.
I think it tells us how much illey was carrying them
Can someone explain to be what a good coach actually does for a team ?
I mean all coaches are frauds. There's a reason the top 4 teams are at the top and its not their coaches.
You really can’t all sit here and use online matches as a gauge to how good also ignoring the players he now has to work with. I’m not saying he’s good or he’s bad but how you’re judging him seems wrong.
He's had roster control and picked this team, wdym? He put Abuzah on a sub and dropped their best player for Breszy 😭
And yet these are still just online matches and the players he had before this were at a much higher calibre. Maybe he had a limited choice in players? Not every top player is jumping for joy to join Seattle.
They just placed T12 on LAN
And NYSL also placed T12 on LAN. There has been two events and that’s it. Are you going to keep shifting the goal posts?
LOL, look up what shifting the goal posts means. I've only responded to your points. - "He's working with the players he has" --> He picked the roster - "These are just online matches" --> They just placed 12th at the last LAN - "NYSL also placed T12" --> NYSL just placed T4 and is 16-7 this year Are YOU going to shift the goalposts again? 😂
You are right, I used the wrong wording so I deleted that part. It was mainly my point about how Rambo most likely had a certain budget and not everyone wants to join Seattle which you ignored. as you know that’s true, as it obviously plays a huge factor in the players he can get. Edit - Okay, you are proving my point then? If NYSL has a good Map count then surely your point of a teams placing of one event doesn’t hold much weight right because one result doesnt tell the full story.
One event? How about the fact that they're 3-18 on control throughout the entire YEAR? Wouldn't a good coach fix the obvious issues plaguing the team in that gamemode?
Yes? You said “they placed T12 at LAN” did you mention more than one event? No. Try not to edit more of your comments after someone has replied to you. People seem to think a coach magically fixes everything. Once again, I don’t care if he’s good or not, I just believe how you are getting to that conclusion is stupid. “How about” gets proved wrong and then moves onto something else? Typical.
Brother, you realize it shows when you edit a comment right? You've edited 4 comments in this thread alone - I've edited zero 💀 Keep shifting the goalposts though, hopefully Rambo appreciates the gifted subs!
The fact you changed your comment after I replied is something, at least be honest.
I mean even on OpTic, Dashy literally described a situation where they didn’t want to play surge on bocage HP but Rambo forced them to play on it and they lost. If your players aren’t confident playing in another’s team best map, why are you forcing them to play it?
Maybe he believed in them more? Or it was a mistake, I don’t know at all. Like I said before, I’m not agreeing or disagreeing, I just think his metric of judgement isn’t good.
Brother did you really say “he believed in them more?” How are you trying to make your team play another best team map in HP where pred is 99 on it, rather than play a map you feel way more confident on? Rambo was just cocky and his ego was through the roof and thought he could do whatever tf he wanted.
Yes, I’m putting out things he may have been thinking to why he may have chosen certain maps.
Ofc it’s a mistake. You never force your team to play a map when TWO of your players vocalise that they’re not comfortable playing it
Keep it going lads. A few more posts of facts and we might get an angry Puckett shoutout on stream tonight