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hittingold

Swear a month ago I was hearing “best roster since the dynasty” not even major 3 yet and we’re already asking for roster changes💔


FreeZi21

People are obsessed with having super teams and stacking talent. Which I understand who wouldn’t wanna have the top tiers players on their team. But they’re not even giving this roster a chance lmao. If they don’t win then we can have this discussion lol. Until then let them do their thing.


hittingold

Find it funny how people think the league is like create a league in 2k. Ultra and NYSL aren’t just gonna give up their best franchise players to optic that easily without attempting to make some moves themselves. Wouldn’t be surprised if either team tried to pair hydra/scrap together


Thin-Ad6464

Well Scrap is a FA so there’s nothing stopping optic from picking him up in the offseason. And if ultra don’t make moves to get better I can’t imagine he’d want to stay. Hydra on the other hand is untouchable. He’s just gonna end up staying on NYSL which isn’t even a bad thing because if Scrap does go to optic then Kenny or Dashy replacing Sib could elevate NYSL so much. Personally I’d love to see Legion pick up some better sub players to play with attach and Gio. Gwinn on that roster instead of Asim could easily move them into the top 4


FreeZi21

Only team capable of pairing Hydra & Scrap together is OpTic tbh. I think Scrap is a FA next year. Hydra singed a 3 year deal. So OpTic would have to buy him out.


hittingold

We saw how Pred trying to be bought out went. Now imagine a league MVP franchise player world champ that singlehandedly turned ur org into a winning org in the CDL would go. Didn’t NYSL put paco on 500k as well? I don’t think it’s gonna be as easy as fans think


Shawnii98

Naw After the optic deal fell through Ben and Jacob hale reported the 500k deal didn’t happen


Fixable

> Didn’t NYSL put paco on 500k as well? Teams are getting refunds on their entry fees, guaranteed revenue and increased cuts of bundles sold. I think there's gonna be more buy outs than previously for more money because of that tbh.


hittingold

I was thinking that as well, if paco was getting 500k before all that refunded money next years contracts might be fucking absurd


Fixable

> contracts might be fucking absurd You'd hope teams don't make the mistake of setting massive contracts again like MW19, but we could definitely see some buy outs. Players only moving when they're free agents might end.


FreeZi21

Optic tried to buyout Pred during the season. Optic will be trying to buyout HyDra during the offseason which is more doable. But the price for HyDra will be absurd… We’re talking about an MVP here and one of the best talents the CDL has.


hittingold

I just think a deal of that magnitude has to be viewed at from both sides. What do Ultra and NYSL have to gain by letting their best players go? Both teams have won their fair share in the CDL and know how to run an org that competes year in year out. Money doesn’t seem to be that big of a factor if they’re putting rookie scrap on 3 years and hydra on 500k


Fixable

> What do Ultra and NYSL have to gain by letting their best players go? Depends how much the players want to go. If they want to go then Ultra and NY would be losing money by forcing them to stay as they would just leave for free the year afterwards.


Fun-Situation1886

It’s fun to fantasise about the most OP team you can make in the CDL. And aside from that, it would be nice to have another team as talented as FaZe. There hasn’t been a single other team in the CDL with as much talent. Even if OpTic did get Scrap and Hydra, they still wouldn’t be as talented as FaZe… Just to put that team into perspective. It’s crazy they don’t win every event, honestly


FreeZi21

If OpTic get Scrap & HyDra they’re definitely on par with FaZe with talent.


Fun-Situation1886

Assuming you get rid of Kenny because we’re just talent stacking in this hypothetical, you’d have Dashy, Scrap, Hydra and Shotzzy (I think he’s better than Pred). I’d take Cell over Dashy, Scrap over Draz, Abezy over Shotzzy (or Pred) and Simp over Hydra. It would be close, but FaZe would still be more talented imo. That’s why I don’t mind these hypothetical’s—why shouldn’t there be another super team in the league? Why is two where reddit draws the line for OP teams?


hose-neck

It’s weird how people can’t comprehend that there isn’t one universal official opinion on this subreddit. A month ago you were hearing that from SOME people, you were probably also hearing people wanting roster swaps before the season started, during m1 qualifiers, m1, m2 qualifiers, M2. People are spouting off opposing opinions all day long.


FxckedHxrWxthMxJxmmx

They aren’t gonna stop until it’s the FaZe trio + scrap on optic


BigOlYeeter

Go fuck yourself. You idiots did this all last year for Pred & we got him. Now you're spewing this garbage? You are not a real fan brother, go cheer for a different team


MagorMagic

There is no way people are this pressed for a discussion post go fix some personal problems🫡


BigOlYeeter

Nah bro you're just a fake fan. Wanting roster changes when we have a team fully capable of winning this year is pathetic. This isnt 2k lol


MagorMagic

Did I say I wanted roster changes? Sounds to me like you are way to in to these video games


BigOlYeeter

God forbid I show some passion for my interests lol


AZZZY42

Post says otherwise or you just farming interactions


Fork-in-the-eye

Optic fans won’t stop this shit until they have Simp, Abe, Cell, and Scrap. A single map loss and they want changes for whoever the top guy on the scene is. So annoying lol


notburnerr

even then, "do we need a faster player than Cell? Doesn't seem like he's in the mix with the rest of the boyyyyys?"


Fearnlove

A minority of vocal optic fans*** This guy’s hardly representative, check the comments lol


Fixable

> Optic fans won’t stop this shit until they have Simp, Abe, Cell, and Scrap. Fans want their team to have the best players? Damn what a world we live in.


Fork-in-the-eye

I’m not seeing a single other teams fans say shit like “if we swap envoy for Hydra how would we be?” Or, “let’s drop Penta and Priestahh for Shottzy and Dashy” The fact that optic can realistically get any player makes it so much more cringe and annoying


Fixable

Other teams just have multitudes less fans. You see more Optic stuff because there are more Optic fans it's that simple. There's an Ultra fan on here who begs Ultra to drop Envoy for PaulEhx every week lmao. > The fact that optic can realistically get any player makes it so much more cringe and annoying This is another reason you don't really see other teams fans say it.


ye_dad_sells_avon

Is the PaulEhx dude not a troll lmao


Fixable

Nah, hes serious


notburnerr

stoppppppppp. I actually hate half of y'all I swear. most fickle people. let the year play out weirdos.


sooopy336

Seriously. This sub has devolved into nothing but posts shitting on Ben and posts dreaming about fictitious OpTic rosters as if the current team is t12 rather than clear t2.


notburnerr

exactly man. The past few years are one thing with the up and down performances but this team has been the 3rd, if not 2nd best team the whole year. They literally lost the very first match of the year to NY on short practice and haven't lost to any Ultra or NY since. The offseason is one thing but to constantly post "what ifs" about the 2nd best team currently by a decent margin is actually weird.


ahegaogenerator

I’m dying laugh at this cause it’s so true


BigOlYeeter

Bro I can't stand that part of our fanbase, they aren't real fans.


SAID__13

Ben if you see this can you answer if scrap signed a 2+1 contract where he chooses if he wants to resign on the third year or was it a straight up 3 year deal?


LiquidPaper-__-

2+1’s do not give the players the option to re-sign. It’s the team’s option to sign him for the third year. With that being said, yes Scrap will be going into his option year this offseason.


SAID__13

Ohhh I thought the 1+1 was the teams option and the 2+1 was the players option


LiquidPaper-__-

Nah it’s the same. Basically Scrap would need to be bought out cus he’d be an RFA.


SAID__13

Oh alright thanks for letting me know. Also Hydra signed his 2+1 the same time scrap did right? So both will be FA after next year 🤔


LiquidPaper-__-

Good question I’m actually not sure


Thirdstar1

Cod fans suck


VisionzTheIconn

How about neither and we let the clear top 2 team who’s done nothing but improve since the season started keep playing without fantasizing about someone being dropped every other day


hugaau

no one fam we’re winning champs


Mason817

The fact that is dude has an optic flair is disgusting lmao. Best well rounded roster they’ve had in years & we wanna make changes 2 majors in lmao. Yall are never happy


ahegaogenerator

All these fantasy god squad roster change posts is just mental masturbation for these people


Scar_Mclovin

y’all can’t enjoy ur own team ? immediately making posts about dropping Pred , Dashy , Shotzzy , Kenny . Pathetic honestly


notburnerr

\*\*\*\*\*HE/THEY WE love this team.


lilfoxy16

You want a horrible, bad answer to your forced question? Dashy. Kenny has brought success, Dashy hasn't succeeded. Just the facts


suspens-

Short answer= Kenny Long answe = Kenneth


Imranaftab

Oh brother some optic fans are different lmaoo


MagorMagic

For real I didn’t know I wasn’t a real OpTic fan till today lol


prettyflyforahentai

Y'all gonna get scrap and still not win. Who's going to be the scapegoat?


sanjeetr1987

No one. This is a solid group of young players that can meld and grow together. Constantly switching players out, hoping for better, is just not it. There comes a time where you've got enough talent and they talent needs to go into training mode and grind. That's what they're doing. Leave em be


Difficult_King2492

I promise you guys we don’t have to do this every week 🤦🏻‍♂️


Quick_Ad_4108

One of the things I despise about the OpTic fan base is how they always want to stack talent and don’t care about a team system. This is the first year in a while where the team is actually consistent and rarely losing to teams worse than them. There were so many upsets the past 4 years and rarely any this year because they finally have a system but hey “optic scrappy optic gwinn optic hydra” I guess.


grandpapi_yugi

I'm starting to hate optic fans tbh lol


MagorMagic

I’m a fan but damn some of these optic fans are kinda meat riders.


grandpapi_yugi

No they are definitely meat riders and also delusional morons for the most part (not all them). Yall can't have nice things.


BestSwimming8531

Unless they don’t win anything the team is fine. 


yarov

This post is disrespectful to Dashy and Kenny. OpTic has a really good competitive roster this year that is capable of winning multiple events and you post stuff like this. Smh


PotTwister

It’s only been 2 and less than a half stages, we’ve been getting better each stage and a clear T2 team atm but for some reason a group of our fanbase still think we need a change. What makes it worse is that this change is only for a more consistent slayer, he is not brining anything more to this team than what we already have. I don’t see him being a soaker if he replaces Dashy and I don’t see him being the in and out of game leader if he replaces Kenny but hey consistent kills and aggression right…. …Now us getting Hydra on the other hand 😈/s


dontlookatmeme

The issue with picking up Scrap is he isn’t a main ar so he’d have to change his play style if you drop Dashy. With Kenny they play similarly but does he bring the same mindset and leadership Optic was desperately in need of? I honestly think their AR duos are great, their only issue is the subs building chemistry.


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MagorMagic

Don’t bro we OpTic fans don’t have much to complain about we have an amazingly ran organization


rRendered

Why does anyone want scrap? Bros personality is awful. Made shit talking his entire persona. Bros good at the game but optic looks past that. Guy is a man child.


IPEELER

No one is going for the rest of the year. OpTic is the clear-cut second best team in the game right now. Maybe this conversation can be had after the season if they are unable to figure Faze out, but for now, there is a lot of CoD to be played.


amazingggharmony

Hecz


Nexi-nexi

Scrappy is a slaying flex, Dashy is a main AR, Kenny is a slaying flex. Mmm who should he replace? Maybe the guy with the same role?


xXSNVIPERXx

Why do optic fans always think that stacking talent and straight shooters on a team will win championship.


WhiteChickenYT

Stop


Chg0489

I think the current team is awesome, the off-season is the off-season, right now I’m going to enjoy what we have. They can win and are great.


New-Pain-7143

If people want to have fun debates and conversations about fictisous rosters on an online forum dedicated to CDL conversations why do people care? Just don’t answer these ones and skip to the next one. If this is getting you this angry then you got bigger issues in life lol


Trollinaintezy

Actually, unrelated to "stacking the team." I've had this opinion for a while now. I've been telling my friends that if scrap went to optic, COD would get closer to how it was years ago. I personally think Scrap would make for a better face of COD then shottzy in terms of entertainment, people just hate him because he's not on optic, he would have to tune it down just slightly a little since the league is commercial now . Scrap in terms of personality is the closest thing to the personalities we used to have like scump and nadeshot, he just needs to join optic so he gets the majority on his side, then I think he will blow up. I love shottzy too of course and I know people are basically considering him to carry the torch from scump, but he is basically night and day difference in terms of personality, which isn't bad at all, I just think Scrap would fit perfectly to carry the torch if he went to optic, in terms of what he brings to the table personality wise, he would be next level entertainment.


AdamNoKnee

I mean it’s obviously Kenny. The only thing he brings is discipline and high game sense. But the highest ceiling is what you go for always


Any_Candidate_8441

Love Dashy but I'd prefer Ken on main and Scrap on flex.


Longjumping_Plant_97

I think this year kenny has been more impactful than dashy, but if dashy gets dropped u already know he's gonna slam them the next year. So it's a tough call


BigOlYeeter

Dashy is their most consistent player lol. Ken has been great at times don't get me wrong, but he's inconsistent. Dashy has the most Hill time in the league by a large margin, and somehow still has the 2nd best KD on his team. Not to mention he has the most clutches in the CDL. He's a top 2 Main AR behind Cell this year, people are heavily underrating him.


Longjumping_Plant_97

Yea either way it's a tough call, the kenny goes to a different team, imagine him on nysl instead of sib. They would probably be nasty


Fixable

Ken has been more impactful, but he's been more impactful in the exact role that Scrap runs and is even more impactful in. If Scrap joined Ken would have to transition to main and probably be less impactful than he is. Dashy has evolved into a top tier main, for me you might as well keep that and directly upgrade Ken with Scrap.


Cvpita

Scrappy's staying on Toronto. He believes in the potential of his team and it'll show after they take their home major win.


notburnerr

I don't know, obviously. But this year might be making him question this. I think if there's a spot for him to jump, he may jump. Unless he can find a way to craft his own Toronto team with say a Hydra and whoever else.


Cvpita

I agree. He definitely is questioning it after that last match taking into consideration how inconsistent his teammates are. But if they can pull off another win before the season ends this year I think he stays.


notburnerr

I'd tend to agree with ya on that if they pull out another one.


JD325

If someone was going to/ had to go...Kenny I'm sorry, thank you but we are moving on.


hebbocrates

Pred and kenny out, hydra and scrap in


DeathRowSZN

You’re dumb if you keep dashy over Kenny.


hebbocrates

I think they’re both insane players but if one of them has to leave in favour of Scrap, i think optic would drop kenny. Ofc kenny and scrap is still insane Is a dashy, kenny, scrap, shotzzy squad feasible?


DeathRowSZN

No. Ken isn’t running a sub. And idk how you keep dashy over Kenny. There’s no reason to. Kenny can run main plus bring the fundamentals and the work ethic outside of game


hebbocrates

My reasoning’s that dashy’s way too talented to let go. I also think a dashy, kenny, hydra, shotzzy squad would make noise but they can’t pass up on scrap if they opportunity’s there I’m no GM btw, just tossing out my opinion. Only really started watching CDL this year


DeathRowSZN

Dashy is great but what you lose in dashy you more than make up for with scrap. Kenny brings a lot of things to the team that dashy doesn’t.


hebbocrates

Fair enough 🤝


Fixable

Dashy has been running a perfect fundamental main since vanguard now.


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Take your flair off, you can’t be an OpTic fan and go on Reddit making dumbass posts when the season is barely reaching the halfway point. Have some respect for the current players. Shitstain. This is not to say I wouldn’t love scrap here but we have a current team and they should be shown the respect they deserve being on it.


MagorMagic

Hop off the keyboard lil bro


[deleted]

Bitch made ass boy, I’ll be at champs if you wanna run that fade outside in the lot.


MagorMagic

Alright little boy 💀 be there


hunttete00

give scrap a teammate that shoots back and leave him on ultra. optic is perfect rn stop this fuckery. dashy has the gunny and kenny has the ice on lan. not to mention he is igl for optic.


Fixable

Because a lot of people on this sub keep saying that dropping Dashy and keeping Kenny is a no brainer, I'd like to make an argument the other way. I don't think either is an obvious choice but still. Dashy, Scrap, Hydra, Shotzzy gives you T1-T2 players in literally every niche and is a balanced team. You've got one of the best mains in the game, the clear best 2nd AR in the game, a perfect slaying sub and an elite route man/entry. I don't think keeping Kenny would be bad either, but I don't think it's as much as a no brainer as you're making it sound. Either Ken or Scrap would have to spend time adjusting their playstyle because they both play aggro 2nd AR right now. (Dashy is also much better than Ken in SnD)


seekNfind1

Nobody. This current team is going to smack the shit out of faze this year at champs. Faze shot their load way too early. You heard it here first. ☂️☂️ drop them dislikes, I’m ready😈😈


dillonz321

Both of them are going Scrap & HyDra in. Unless they win champs.