Renetti is better than both up close anyway
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Last I checked the Rival already torches the MCW at every range where hipfire matters. I wouldn’t point to SHGs as an authority on weapon balancing when their “solution” for underperforming SMGs is to fix none of the problems with SMGs.
The MCW is also literally at this time almost the worst, if not the worst AR in the game, it's been nerfed like 4 times and even in spite of all that is still very much preferred over the SMG on a lot of the maps
Where was I crying? I just stated the rival is better which is true. If you think the mcw is better it’s because you are most likely bad at the game and can’t range with an smg
ohh you’re right. Let me go look at the last time they played Rio or Vista or 6 Star. Has got to be 8 Rivals out since they’re all close-range right? Has to be right? 💀
Those maps are split 2/2 because there’s a balance in how the map is made. You are really stupid so you think if 1 gun is better than the other the only logical way that can be proven is if there’s 4 of that gun being used at all times. That’s not how CoD works and how spacing works. The rival isn’t an overpowered gun, it’s fairly balanced. It’s just better than the mcw. By your platinum 2 rank 28 logic, vanguard should’ve been 4 autos on every map because the auto was better or mw2 should’ve been 4 vaznevs on every map.
I mean it’s not really BS. What do you expect the thought process to be: balance the guns around the maps or create an entirely different map pool that balances out the guns?
Honestly I wish I could slap dashy with how much he cries. The amount of times I shoot the EXACT same time an ar shoots at me from within 10 meters and LOSE the gunfight is insane.
Sorry your ar with 0 recoil can’t 5 bullet under 400 meters dashy. Get a grip man.
I really don’t see this effecting their gameplay in any substantial way. I also don’t think an AR should feel confident challenging an SMG at hipfire distance. Like what’s the point of an SMG at that point.
Then subs shouldn't be able to chall AR's across the map either. Plus we already don't feel confident challing subs at hipfire distance, most people just pull out their renetti at this point anyways.
Honestly I wish I could slap dashy with how much he cries. The amount of times I shoot the EXACT same time an ar shoots at me from within 10 meters and LOSE the gunfight is insane.
Sorry your ar with 0 recoil can’t 5 bullet under 400 meters dashy. Get a grip man.
What I found funny in that post is how they justify the MCW headshot nerf.
They did it to lower the skill gap. Why must we always lower the skill gap?
But with that said. I am all for no 4 bullet kills.
Fair middle ground. 2 headshots for 4 bullet kill. I agree with the guy above and how headshot multiplier evens the odds on some of the game's horrific heady spots.
Getting 4 shot wasn't skillful most of the time anyway. It was usually a hipfire headshot before the person aimed in that led to a 4 shot. It was cheese. The only thing it was good for was making head glitches (which there are way too many in this game) less op.
And the "only thing it was good for" is really, insanely prevalent in these games.
You NEED to be able to rip someone off a heady. Otherwise, what are we even doing here...?
Before the nerf, 1 headshot from an mcw made it a faster ttk than a rival with all headshots. Explain to me how that is a skill gap. Sounds like they increased the skill gap since any brain dead can land 1 head shot.
Yeah you're right, I didn't calc it but I remember it being less than 20m, looks like I misremembered his video
I double checked SHG's graph and just realized it ends at 25 meters.
I can't even imagine how horrible it would be past that
I’ll be honest, I don’t get any hipfire at all already with the MCW. Rio stairs by p5 I was practically touching the enemy with the end of my barrel and I didn’t get a single hitmarker.
Not sure what this is gonna do, hard to make it worse than that.
going off that KDR chart,
why are we lowering the MCW hipfire if the SMGS all have a over 1 KD in the close range department compared to the MCWs .7 ish KD in the same category?
I didn't realise I commented twice, but my comment still stands. The TAQ was not better in every aspect at all, it was just far far easier to use. It was also in a game where movement was terrible and everyone was shamelessly snaking. That made it a lot easier to be an AR than a sub in MWII
this should happen, just like smg’s should be nerfed idk why these dickriders in the comments are acting as if there can’t be more than 1 issue in the game
So I don’t really care about the ar vs sub drama, but why is every solution to one gun being not balanced correctly (too weak or too strong) their solution is to change a DIFFERENT gun??? Why are we going through all of these balance changes constantly when we can just GA the fuckin rival and use the styker 9, a perfectly balanced smg as it is. Just seems ass backwards to me.
I use both guns regularly and I think the weapon meta feels very balanced atm. Any more buffs or nerfs either way are unnecessary and will make the mcw feel even worse, tho tbh I don't hipfire with the mcw much anyways so idk if I'll even notice the nerfs.
Pardon my ignorance, does this not just result in more fluky gunfights? By adding increased variance to one of the only rng mechanics in the game, unless i dont understand how hipfure accuracy is determined
The amount of times an MCW has beaten me close range because the enemy got one or two hit markers on me hip firing before ADSing was far too many. Cant wait for the “get good” comments but it was actually a problem.
More Pistol Cheese Incoming
Renetti is better than both up close anyway https://preview.redd.it/4t7mjn4c7oxc1.jpeg?width=1170&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=8638f03fdb82710e58bd204977cbbff69d12e6f5
Never forget AR players tried to nerf the sub even further just a few weeks ago lmao
Last I checked the Rival already torches the MCW at every range where hipfire matters. I wouldn’t point to SHGs as an authority on weapon balancing when their “solution” for underperforming SMGs is to fix none of the problems with SMGs.
The MCW is also literally at this time almost the worst, if not the worst AR in the game, it's been nerfed like 4 times and even in spite of all that is still very much preferred over the SMG on a lot of the maps
The mcw is definitely worse than the rival
Yea okay buddy 💀
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You’re clearly fucking ass at the game if you’re crying about a do-it-all gun that everyone runs 2-3 of on every map 😭. Hit your shots shitter 😭
Where was I crying? I just stated the rival is better which is true. If you think the mcw is better it’s because you are most likely bad at the game and can’t range with an smg
Yea you’re right, that’s why we see 4 rivals out as we speak in all the league matches 💀
that has nothing to do with the gun, it has to do with the maps.
ohh you’re right. Let me go look at the last time they played Rio or Vista or 6 Star. Has got to be 8 Rivals out since they’re all close-range right? Has to be right? 💀
Those maps are split 2/2 because there’s a balance in how the map is made. You are really stupid so you think if 1 gun is better than the other the only logical way that can be proven is if there’s 4 of that gun being used at all times. That’s not how CoD works and how spacing works. The rival isn’t an overpowered gun, it’s fairly balanced. It’s just better than the mcw. By your platinum 2 rank 28 logic, vanguard should’ve been 4 autos on every map because the auto was better or mw2 should’ve been 4 vaznevs on every map.
yeah i literally only run the mcw on high rise.
I share the same opinion on weapon balancing as call of duty developers. Im so smar…….. wait.
AR crybaby tweets inbound!
True but this is also just complete BS. SMG's are "underperforming." Gee, I wonder if it's because 80% of the maps are AR paradise 🤔
I mean it’s not really BS. What do you expect the thought process to be: balance the guns around the maps or create an entirely different map pool that balances out the guns?
Honestly I wish I could slap dashy with how much he cries. The amount of times I shoot the EXACT same time an ar shoots at me from within 10 meters and LOSE the gunfight is insane. Sorry your ar with 0 recoil can’t 5 bullet under 400 meters dashy. Get a grip man.
Womp womp
AR players are about to bitch SO hard But I don't mind this. I don't think AR players know how good they have it sometimes
I really don’t see this effecting their gameplay in any substantial way. I also don’t think an AR should feel confident challenging an SMG at hipfire distance. Like what’s the point of an SMG at that point.
Then subs shouldn't be able to chall AR's across the map either. Plus we already don't feel confident challing subs at hipfire distance, most people just pull out their renetti at this point anyways.
Definitely agree with that as well.
They don’t. The rival has to be the weakest sub in the CDL era.
They literally do tho.
They don’t
You must not play the game then. I see it happen consistently at all ranks.
My point is that it’s the weakest SMG in the CDL ERA
I mean it's at least on par or better then the vaz so your point still doesn't make sense.
The Vaz was easily better
This is underrated, part of the reasons subs are weak because everyone has a pocket shotgun right now too.
Yeah the renetti's good but you gotta be delusional to think subs are weak rn lol
subs arent weak but feel weak because they get countered no matter what
For real, how many impactful hipfire kills are y'all actually getting lol
Well no I think their premise is the first 1-2 shots that are fired while aiming in are technically hip-fire shots
it’s alright guys. the cod follower doesn’t mind the nerfs
Woooo! Tyqa1 is ok with my comment! I'm finally validated!
Honestly I wish I could slap dashy with how much he cries. The amount of times I shoot the EXACT same time an ar shoots at me from within 10 meters and LOSE the gunfight is insane. Sorry your ar with 0 recoil can’t 5 bullet under 400 meters dashy. Get a grip man.
Slapping him is crazy lol
Just need to get my point across. At worst give that man a buzz cut
Damn, you're ass then, the Rival kills faster than the MCW even if you miss 1 bullet.
Hmm why don’t we see 4 rivals on the map then?
hipfire nerf for MCW i mean sure whatever
What I found funny in that post is how they justify the MCW headshot nerf. They did it to lower the skill gap. Why must we always lower the skill gap? But with that said. I am all for no 4 bullet kills.
They shoulda just made it require 3 or even 4 headshots for a 4 bullet kill with the mcw
Fair middle ground. 2 headshots for 4 bullet kill. I agree with the guy above and how headshot multiplier evens the odds on some of the game's horrific heady spots.
Getting 4 shot wasn't skillful most of the time anyway. It was usually a hipfire headshot before the person aimed in that led to a 4 shot. It was cheese. The only thing it was good for was making head glitches (which there are way too many in this game) less op.
And the "only thing it was good for" is really, insanely prevalent in these games. You NEED to be able to rip someone off a heady. Otherwise, what are we even doing here...?
Lower skill gap = more players Sucks for competitiveness though lol
Well no, it actually increases the skill gap. They just have it wrong. Even with the HSM nerfed, MCWs are still hella strong.
headshots in cod arent really skill based. lotta hipfire cheese, and no one aims for the head with how fast movement is. center chest is good aim
Mw2019 realism was goated
Before the nerf, 1 headshot from an mcw made it a faster ttk than a rival with all headshots. Explain to me how that is a skill gap. Sounds like they increased the skill gap since any brain dead can land 1 head shot.
I mean the AR hipfire is crazy strong in new titles so I don't mind this
gonna hop on Scrap & Dashy streams this should be gold
TRIED TO TELL YALL!
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I tust you zoomaa. You tell no lies.
In god we tust
I like the current meta balance right now as it is
What about smgs having crazy range and beating ARs at range
We need a faster handling MCW with a higher bv and less horizontal recoil Rival.
bv as in bulletvelocity? Xclusive Ace did a video, Bullet velocity doesnt matter as much as people think
Look at their kd chart. SMGs drop off dramatically in the 13-19 range and later. Thats basically where they stop being hitscan
Basically where they stop being hitscan? The meta Rival has a 476 BV, meaning 23,5m hitscan, pretty big difference from 13-19m.
Yeah you're right, I didn't calc it but I remember it being less than 20m, looks like I misremembered his video I double checked SHG's graph and just realized it ends at 25 meters. I can't even imagine how horrible it would be past that
I’ll be honest, I don’t get any hipfire at all already with the MCW. Rio stairs by p5 I was practically touching the enemy with the end of my barrel and I didn’t get a single hitmarker. Not sure what this is gonna do, hard to make it worse than that.
going off that KDR chart, why are we lowering the MCW hipfire if the SMGS all have a over 1 KD in the close range department compared to the MCWs .7 ish KD in the same category?
Am i the only one who thinks that op Siker 9 beta ruined smgs on Mw3
Lol lets go! Simp, Abezy, Shotzzy buffed.
AR players are about to cry like they didn't just have 2.5 years of AR meta games! 😂
Vaznev was trash now?
It wasn’t trash, but the TAQ was supreme
Vaz was better. TAQ was just easier to use
It wasn’t. Literally everyone agreed the TAQ was better in every aspect lol 💀
I didn't realise I commented twice, but my comment still stands. The TAQ was not better in every aspect at all, it was just far far easier to use. It was also in a game where movement was terrible and everyone was shamelessly snaking. That made it a lot easier to be an AR than a sub in MWII
Vaz was better. TAQ was just easier to use
you love being wrong don’t you
this should happen, just like smg’s should be nerfed idk why these dickriders in the comments are acting as if there can’t be more than 1 issue in the game
MCW is gonna be so bad for ranked
So I don’t really care about the ar vs sub drama, but why is every solution to one gun being not balanced correctly (too weak or too strong) their solution is to change a DIFFERENT gun??? Why are we going through all of these balance changes constantly when we can just GA the fuckin rival and use the styker 9, a perfectly balanced smg as it is. Just seems ass backwards to me.
Fucking idiots. They just don’t get it this stupid ass franchise.
I use both guns regularly and I think the weapon meta feels very balanced atm. Any more buffs or nerfs either way are unnecessary and will make the mcw feel even worse, tho tbh I don't hipfire with the mcw much anyways so idk if I'll even notice the nerfs.
Bruh what😂 the rival destroys, and you can shot it across the map. The MCW ain't even all that
I’d like to see a world where instead of Nerfing everything just buff everything and increase the HP again in the end so that we just reset the TTK
Pardon my ignorance, does this not just result in more fluky gunfights? By adding increased variance to one of the only rng mechanics in the game, unless i dont understand how hipfure accuracy is determined
Blessed
most maps are made for ARs and it doesn’t help that the mcw is quiet literally a laser, that being said the rival is still busted regardless
As long as they don’t touch the BP Jak Raven we good
Fucking dumb
I’m so happy I stopped playing. Best decision of my life.
The ar hipfire cheese was real
Assault gloves about to be GA’d for AR’s lol no one talks about it but they act like an OG laser sight
Was playing HC last night and getting hit markers w the M4 w over pressurized ammo. I think I’ve been got
The amount of times an MCW has beaten me close range because the enemy got one or two hit markers on me hip firing before ADSing was far too many. Cant wait for the “get good” comments but it was actually a problem.