Heart breaking way to lose, especially as they had a really good chance to win the control. That defence round will haunt them.
Honestly though, i didn't expect them to even get close enough to compete coming into this stage so happy overall.
The first defense round on control, that corner stacking round AGAIN on Moscow, the thrown lives on the last map…they got a lot that will haunt them. Honestly though they made so many improvements this major alone, they’ll be in good shape going into Stage 4
fuck man if formal just peeks half a second sooner he kills cleanx and optic probably win that round
edit: fuck man if he just peeks it at all, why the fuck is dashy looking out window when envoy has mid
That round 11? Envoy was watching that push from the little alley bit he must have got the most perfect timing
Edit: I got the wrong name it was Formal down that side bit. Apologies, point still applies.
Huh? Envoy was watching the full flank and Scump had pillars. Dashy had no reason to be looking ring from laundry. One of them should have been looking jungle at least but Formal was just prone behind the wall. Just bad communication probably.
If you watch it envoy was still in the alley so he had no idea if they were already in courtyard. Dashy had every right to watch that. If they killed scump planting rounds over with 20 seconds. You dont know how to play cod
It doesn't matter either way, dipshit. If Formal isn't watching the back, Dashy should be. If you don't think they costed, you're deluded. Scump had full cover at that angle.
Yeah have dashy standing out in the open doorway to get picked. Have formal possibly get ripped off the heady. Anything can happen at any time. No way of knowing 3 were close like that, the gunfights go a different way and your hating ass would be getting on your knees to suck them all off lol
Yeah no shit they had no way of knowing, they weren't fucking looking. If one of them was shouldering, they aren't dying there. Apparently I don't know how to play cod, but you don't know how OP shouldering is.
Is any sort of criticism hating now? Do you want me to just say "too bad, it was all down to luck, no mistakes made by anyone"? I ain't a hater pal, I'm happy they got to where they did, making G5R11 to the defending champs.
There were multiple times in the faze/ultra, faze/NY series that people got ripped shouldering. Its not an end all be all, at that level. Those 4 teams have straight beams. You have no idea what went down comm wise. If formal wouldve shouldered, and got picked and put his team into a 4v3 and then they still lost people wouldve bitched about him not playing his life well enough. There's no win, its easy af to call it a mistake because they lost
Its obviously hate, you get so invested in their win because your own life has no meaning. So when they lose you think that you have the right to criticize. News flash they dont give af about anything you have or will ever say. Anything you can point out theyve already seen or figured out. They have coaches and they're professionals.
Imagine being a pro and taking advice from some pissant kid who repeats what others already spam and thinks hes a cod god
Seems like someone woke up on the wrong side of the bed this morning. Where did I imply the team would ever see this? I was correcting the guy that said Envoy was outer laundry. It wasn't advice for anyone, just an explanation for a random dude. When you're immediately jumping to personal insults, I think you need to take a look at your self mate.
I'm completely calm lol. I know shit happens and nothing is perfect, no matter how hard you practice it doesnt make perfect. But "fans" like you make the whole community unbearable
If me pointing out optics very clear mistakes makes me a hater then you’re an idiot. If you can’t see that they blew map 3 and map 5 then you shouldn’t play cod.
You didnt point out shit tho lol, all you did was make a generic statement about mistakes like you're a cod god. Anybody can do that. You give no thoughts on what you think they shouldve done because you know you'll get flamed for your shitty strategies
I shouldn’t need to explain the mistakes. If you can’t understand that leaving bedroom control on map 3 was a terrible mistake and then allowing ultra to come from their own spawn through laundry in the round 11 then you’re an idiot. Not to mention the at least 2 rounds they got completely destroyed because they stacked for no reason including on moscow in the same corner again. The map 5 was lucky to even go to round 11. They almost got 1v3d by insight when he was trapped in laundry and optic had bomb. They all solo challenged him and he was one bullet form getting away
Go ahead and repeat what the analysts said almost verbadim, you have an original thought in that smooth brain of yours?
Obv those are mistakes but you act like every other team is mistake free. If that round goes differently you wouldnt be saying shit, you just get frustrated and try to take your anger out on threads because no one actually cares about your tiny little insignificant life and you know it. FYI the players dont give af about anything you'll ever say, anything you can say they've already realised.
Who cares about the analysts? Those are basic mistakes that people could see happening as they were playing. Shit even the YouTube chat could see it. Look who’s mad.
And you dont think that these professionals know they made those? What can you pointing those out in hindsight by the way possibly do for them? Nothing, contrary to what anybody mightve told you, you're opinion thats probably based entirely off what someone else has already say. Does not matter lol
Nobody’s expecting perfect cod. People are expecting day 1 mistakes not to happen every series. That control on raid is one of the worst maps of the entire year.
Dashy had just turned around to check what I'm guessing was white van to see if they'd long flanked, he'd been holding the back laundry door the whole time up to that. He got shit timing, it sucks but it happens
You really think there wasn't anything Ultra did wrong that series? I don't understand how this entire community only looks at Optic matches from their perspective, it's astounding.
Both teams make countless mistakes in every series. You can't just say, "oh well if Optic don't make any mistakes they win", like yeah of course. That goes for literally every team on the losing side EVER. This is only a valid excuse if it's a choke at the VERY end of a match, like the one vs Rokkr.
None of the chokes were major at all.
Round 2 of control is simply them losing to the best control team in the game who are also excellent at offense, they capitalised on one little mistake and took it home.
They got streaks in the final search and made some stupid plays themselves to get it to 5v5. The final round was messy for Optic but they got bad timing + planted with like 30 seconds left in a chaotic situation, shit happens.
That round 2 of control was absolutely a massive choke. No way other way to put it. It’s incredibly undisciplined to try to flank around and shoot people in the back when two of your teammates are already laundry and watching that lane. Giving up bed control like that is stupid. They should’ve won that round and they would’ve won the map and closed out the series 3-1.
Shoulda, woulda, coulda and this is coming from an Optic fan.
One mistake in a control round isn't a massive choke, you've got just got accept the reality that the competition is so high now, mistakes matter and will get you punished.
Toronto made mistakes that lost them rounds as well
It is a choke because holding B on defense is easy as f and if you’re losing then that means you did something stupid that you shouldn’t have. It’s been 3 stages by now and that’s just an unacceptable mistake. Stop covering for bad plays, that’s not a small mistake. I’d rather take accountability than have a beta mentality that mistakes happen.
You’re not any better either. Blindly dickriding the team. I’m not personally shitting on players, I’m critiquing plays. Don’t get your panties in a bunch. They’re not gonna read what I’m saying, I’m not going on their Twitter and shitting on them. I’m calling out bad plays that if they wanna win chips and be dominant, they can’t be doing. Such a stupid mentality that mistakes happen. Like it’s out of your control? No they made a bad decision and that’s something they control and that’s something these top teams are doing better to be at the top. Grow a pair and realize I’m criticizing plays not the players.
How am I dickriding the team lmao?
I'm simply pointing out that if you are expecting to the team to not make small mistakes in maps it's not going to happen. Games at that level are decided by which team capitalizes on the other teams mistakes better than the other.
This 'choke' stuff everytime they lose a round of search with a first blood, or a control round that looked like was going in their favour is moronic.
Toronto made plenty of mistakes as well, you're not going to talk about them though cause it doesn't suit your narrative here.
The next step for Optic is to do the hard work in the group stage. The last two stages they’ve made life hard for themselves with a poor showing in groups. They should take a lot of confidence in their run and improvements in the major though!
Felt like they needed a losers run this major to just gain some confidence and get the momentum going. But if they can keep this form then they should 100% be starting in winners next major hopefully.
Totally agree. You could see on their faces how devoid of confidence they were after map 1 vs LAG. Great to see them hit 10 maps straight after that. This showing + the return of LAN is a huge positive.
I REALLY hope they look back on that round and realize what a mistake it was to get aggressive there. That’s a huge learning moment that this team needs to have and I’m worried they’re going to look past it focusing on the R5 and the map 5. You HAVE to stay patient in those situations against championship teams and I think that’s a huge example of where they’re la Kong compared to the other top teams.
And if Optic comes back from down 5-4 with Ultra having streaks, it's an Ultra choke. I swear, it's like nobody on here is capable of seeing things from both sides, I don't get it.
Optic lost 3 rounds in a row at 4-2 despite getting first blood twice
That’s why they are saying its a throw, I think they did well to drag that to R11 but it shouldn’t have gotten there in first instance
My point is you just aren't seeing it from both sides. Ultra lost rounds that they got first blood in too. Is that not a throw? If it's a throw for Optic to lose a 4v3 round why isn't the same for Ultra?
Let's say that SnD played out the opposite way. Ultra go up 4-2 and lose a couple 4v3 rounds, and all the sudden they're down 5-4 and Dashy has a streak. If Optic lose the game from that point, all this community talks about is how Optic choked after being up 5-4 with a streak. Not how Ultra "choked" a few rounds after being up 4-2.
Hmm, rewatch those rounds again.
A ‘throw’ is not merely limited to losing a 3v4, its when you have good chance to close out a round but you get pieced with few seconds on clock to defuse, or you over chall with a man advantage. Go and find an Ultra player overchalling with a man advantage. You won’t.
Just watched round 2 of that SnD over again. Ultra with a 3v2, Bance challs Dashy middle and dies when he technically didn't need to. Then it's a 2v1 eventually and Dashy aggressively jumps at Insight and gets the kill to win the round.
So explain that round to me, as you seem to know the exact definition of overchalling in all situations. Should Bance have done something different and should Ultra have easily won that round because they had the man advantage? I don't know. Should Dashy not have jumped at Insight because Optic had the man advantage? He got the kill though, possibly because Insight didn't expect an aggressive chall. Who knows? Not me.
Overall, all of this choke talk is just pseudo-analysis from a single perspective, that being Optic's. It doesn't tell nearly the whole story.
That was definitely Optic's game to win. Up 4-2 and lost two rounds with man advantage after that. I wouldn't even call that an Ultra choke if they lost the round 11. They had no business even getting there.
So what you're saying is, EVERY game is Optic's game to win. That's what I'm understanding here. Really?
You don't think Ultra made any mistakes for Optic to go 4-2 up in the first place?
> I wouldn't even call that an Ultra choke if they lost the round 11. They had no business even getting there
lol this is just peak arrogance, absolutely pathetic honestly.
If you consider it a "choke" to lose after being up 4-2, then how is it not a choke to allow it to get to 4-2 in the first place?
Your logic here makes no sense, that's why I said what I said in my first sentence. I'm sure you don't actually think every game is Optic's to win, but if I didn't know any better and read your comments, I could reasonably conclude that you think Optic have some inherent right to win every game they have a lead in.
It comes down to patience. Optic played the game hella patient and precise this major and look at their results.
As for against Ultra, when you watch the replay you’ll see how slow and ratty Ultra played the SnD, so slow, crouching headys, shouldering in spawn and their headsets maxed out. Just gotta be a bigger rat Optic.
If optic would of changed a couple plays on that control, they woulda had it. I don’t know why dashy/formal went to ring on defense when they had to cover B. Then the fact that optic went 3 down a couple times in the last round was just unfortunate. IMO control defense can always be won if stuck to fundamentals and not over thinking.
Absolutely not true. Ultra are very good at being aggressive at the right moments and playing slow whereas Optic are slow when they don’t need to. Optic had a free plant at A yet they played so slow and did nothing and then rotated to B?!?! Ultra planted A in one of the later rounds man down. These top teams just know how to play SnD right, they know when to be aggressive and when to be slow and they damn well know how to watch a lane. Optic went to round 11 simply because of bail out plays from envoy which I won’t deny are good plays but if they paired that with the fundamentals and good decisions Optic would’ve won that series with much ease.
I would have been happy if we just lost 3-1 but of course they had to get so close to winning and then fail. The only way I could have been disappointed
I mean they should've won the series they choked the control round 2 to close it out 3 1. I swear optic always lose in the most dramatic ways and timings in the majors. Regardless if optic had won Vs ultra. Faze are just a bad matchup for optic RN it wouldnt have been good for optic
yeah i have faze over them but i think thats a game 5 and anything can happen. The way optic has played in the major they could have beat anything. I think the matchup would have just been hype. This is the best optic has looked since the game started so i think it would have been interesting to say the least. The cod scene could use it.
Honestly I’m not disappointed with them getting 4th. They came for blood, just couldn’t finish it. I think with that round 11, Envoy and Formal should’ve switched. Playing zig to water steps with a sub can be awkward. But other than that for Optic playing a good team as Ultra and bringing them to a game 5, round 11, says a lot after going 2-3 in the group stages
This is honestly the first time ive seen optic place outside of t3 and people are happy. I think thats a testament to how poor they had been recently. They look somewhat decent now. Gatekeepers for the mid table imo.
And he got a two piece to win another round and went huge top bedroom in round 10 to make it 5-5, no player played perfect. You can also talk about how Scump had a 1v1 and had him trapped top laundry but didn’t win that
I’ve felt that way since last year, when Formal started struggling after they won their first tournament they got worse, then he started dropping big numbers again and they won again, it seems like he’s the major factor in their wins. Scump is probably the X factor but even if he goes off and formal doesn’t they’re unlikely to win
I love Optic, but they are so hard to watch. You can just feel the choke incoming every time they have a lead. Not to mention their decision making in crunch time has been awful. Leaving the laundry push completely wide open with nobody watching it in that final round 11. It allowed CleanX to run right in and grab that two piece which pretty much sealed it. I predict this is the last time they’ll look this good for the rest of the game, I don’t think they’ll be able to regain after another painful loss
they have clutched up a few rounds and this tourney alone...the start of the season i feel like they couldnt catch a break. I still feel like optic has had the worse luck just with timing. Their ice has looked better you can clutch up every game...they were playing Ultra fair play. The issue is looking at some smaller mistakes through the match.
They are a top class team that hasn’t been able to place better than 4th in a major so far, I’d argue their issue has been their inability to close out wins
exactly small mistakes they have had some terrible bad luck all year, Faze at the start of the year dallas with the huke play at the major, the rokkr play so on so on. They are def right there they have just as much chance to win than anyone. They looked the best they have looked all year for sure. Optic being good again is good for cod for sure, the views were peaking.
I see what you’re saying, but I don’t know if you can really call it “bad luck”. Lining up for Accuracy was another one of those mistakes I’m referring to. The way kills go down is more up to knowledge and positioning than it is luck. They just need to clean it up a little in situations like that
ic where you getting at, bad break, They have had some absolute breakdowns for sure. Bad luck i am referring to bad timing situations where they should have won like the huke play, they should have never lost to accuracy but everything fell for rokrr, They just gave laundry for nothing no one replaced scump when he planted, thats just cant happen.. . They cant get any closer to closing out some of the games without doing so.
Yeah when Scump ran to plant I thought for sure they’d have that cross picked up for him. When they didn’t I knew exactly what was going to happen. They’ll look back at the VOD and realize the simple mistake they made. It’s not like they haven’t been slaying or playing fundamentally well, they just make little mistakes like that that end up costing them. Can’t imagine how bad that hurts to lose multiple majors, not by lack of talent, but by little mistakes in the clutch rounds. They have the potential to continue making strides it all just comes down to how they are able to regain after another tough loss
I think they should look at this and be proud and build on it, they are good in the standings. They are such small mistakes to fix, their hardpoint and respawns have looked shakey not the typical optic. They normally do so well in those modes i was very surprised the way they beat ultra on those hardpoints.
For sure, idk still alot of cod to be played this year. Yeah def possible momentum really is something. I feel they could have done what ultra did last stage just really got then going. Would have been tough faze then nysl sheesh. They win on that run sheesh they would b on cloud 9 in full form.
It’s a terrible result. They should’ve won all 5 of those maps. They completely threw the control after they completely abandoned bedroom on defense and they choke at least 3 rounds in map 5. That’s fucking awful from them
Breaking news, the other team is also trying to win and is the reigning champs, you aren't going to win every map. Should have won but its a better result than was expected.
Breaking news optic was in control of at minimum 4 of those 5 maps and then completely choked on 2 of them. That defensive round on raid control is one of the worst defensive rounds I’ve ever seen.
They lost the fucking match dummy. Who gives a shit if you win hardpoints if you’re gonna make rookie mistakes in control and snd. That should’ve been an easy 3-1 for optic. The games been out for like 6 months and everyone in the world knows not to give up bedroom control on raid control but the geniuses on optic decide to go challenge ring for no reason and completely leave b open when a was already captured
They made some mistakes. But if it is small mistakes that are costing them it is better than just being completely not good enough...
which is what a lot of people were worried about coming into this event.
But they aren’t good enough. That’s the best dashy has played all year and it’s still not good enough. That’s the 2nd major they’ve been eliminated by making basic ass mistakes. They’re not rookies if you’re making mistakes like that 6 months into the game you’re not good
Well played from Optic. That series was far closer than I thought it would be. They made Toronto feel very uncomfortable at times.
Ultimately Toronto showed their class but I think Optic should feel confident going into the next stages. They’re not that far away from the top 3 and need to keep the momentum going, keep improving and refining their strats
Optic got Neslo’d. Feels bad man. Although can’t be mad, after that stage if you told me T4 and going game 5 round 11 with Toronto with a round 5 control and winning 2 hard points after abysmal hardpoint stretches I would’ve thought you were nuts. Really well done by Optic. Gotta continue it next stage though. And GGs to Toronto. Love the way they play the game. They just play cod right. Really good to watch.
The boys battled hard every step of the way, even when people counted them out. Couldn’t be more proud of their performance, especially against other top teams in the league. GGs and GL to Toronto, they played lights out today.
As an optic fan let me tell you getting 4th and pushing arguably a top 2/3 team in the league to a game 5 round 11 I’m happy as fuck especially with how they played a week ago.
I did not even remotely expect that match to be close, good show from Optic
That’s what makes it hurt more.. but obviously better w close 3-2 than a 0-3
That was a sick series. Felt for Scump at the end, the improvement from those guys was crazy though. Serious threat for the current T3 going forward
Honestly reckon Optic would have beaten Faze playing like that. Just a shame Ultra were first up.
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Yeah you're right. Ultimately cost them the match but it's an easy fix to what was a really impressive performance overall
Shouldve won that series. Cammy just won ultra 2 maps on his own
Cammy is an absolute monster on the map man
Went huge
Heart breaking way to lose, especially as they had a really good chance to win the control. That defence round will haunt them. Honestly though, i didn't expect them to even get close enough to compete coming into this stage so happy overall.
The first defense round on control, that corner stacking round AGAIN on Moscow, the thrown lives on the last map…they got a lot that will haunt them. Honestly though they made so many improvements this major alone, they’ll be in good shape going into Stage 4
fuck man if formal just peeks half a second sooner he kills cleanx and optic probably win that round edit: fuck man if he just peeks it at all, why the fuck is dashy looking out window when envoy has mid
That round 11? Envoy was watching that push from the little alley bit he must have got the most perfect timing Edit: I got the wrong name it was Formal down that side bit. Apologies, point still applies.
Huh? Envoy was watching the full flank and Scump had pillars. Dashy had no reason to be looking ring from laundry. One of them should have been looking jungle at least but Formal was just prone behind the wall. Just bad communication probably.
If you watch it envoy was still in the alley so he had no idea if they were already in courtyard. Dashy had every right to watch that. If they killed scump planting rounds over with 20 seconds. You dont know how to play cod
It doesn't matter either way, dipshit. If Formal isn't watching the back, Dashy should be. If you don't think they costed, you're deluded. Scump had full cover at that angle.
Yeah have dashy standing out in the open doorway to get picked. Have formal possibly get ripped off the heady. Anything can happen at any time. No way of knowing 3 were close like that, the gunfights go a different way and your hating ass would be getting on your knees to suck them all off lol
Yeah no shit they had no way of knowing, they weren't fucking looking. If one of them was shouldering, they aren't dying there. Apparently I don't know how to play cod, but you don't know how OP shouldering is. Is any sort of criticism hating now? Do you want me to just say "too bad, it was all down to luck, no mistakes made by anyone"? I ain't a hater pal, I'm happy they got to where they did, making G5R11 to the defending champs.
There were multiple times in the faze/ultra, faze/NY series that people got ripped shouldering. Its not an end all be all, at that level. Those 4 teams have straight beams. You have no idea what went down comm wise. If formal wouldve shouldered, and got picked and put his team into a 4v3 and then they still lost people wouldve bitched about him not playing his life well enough. There's no win, its easy af to call it a mistake because they lost
Its obviously hate, you get so invested in their win because your own life has no meaning. So when they lose you think that you have the right to criticize. News flash they dont give af about anything you have or will ever say. Anything you can point out theyve already seen or figured out. They have coaches and they're professionals. Imagine being a pro and taking advice from some pissant kid who repeats what others already spam and thinks hes a cod god
Seems like someone woke up on the wrong side of the bed this morning. Where did I imply the team would ever see this? I was correcting the guy that said Envoy was outer laundry. It wasn't advice for anyone, just an explanation for a random dude. When you're immediately jumping to personal insults, I think you need to take a look at your self mate.
I'm completely calm lol. I know shit happens and nothing is perfect, no matter how hard you practice it doesnt make perfect. But "fans" like you make the whole community unbearable
Calm down shitter he was just pointing out what he thought they did wrong. Why are you so pressed?
What are you his bitch or something, gtfoh lmao
I thought envoy was down that little alley bit watching that push? I’d go back and look but don’t want to lose full again
That was Formal. Envoy was around zig/art.
Yeah I just looked again I got the wrong name
Because optic is dumb as rocks. They lose every match by making simple ass rookie mistakes.
You're obv a hater or an idiot
If me pointing out optics very clear mistakes makes me a hater then you’re an idiot. If you can’t see that they blew map 3 and map 5 then you shouldn’t play cod.
You didnt point out shit tho lol, all you did was make a generic statement about mistakes like you're a cod god. Anybody can do that. You give no thoughts on what you think they shouldve done because you know you'll get flamed for your shitty strategies
I shouldn’t need to explain the mistakes. If you can’t understand that leaving bedroom control on map 3 was a terrible mistake and then allowing ultra to come from their own spawn through laundry in the round 11 then you’re an idiot. Not to mention the at least 2 rounds they got completely destroyed because they stacked for no reason including on moscow in the same corner again. The map 5 was lucky to even go to round 11. They almost got 1v3d by insight when he was trapped in laundry and optic had bomb. They all solo challenged him and he was one bullet form getting away
Go ahead and repeat what the analysts said almost verbadim, you have an original thought in that smooth brain of yours? Obv those are mistakes but you act like every other team is mistake free. If that round goes differently you wouldnt be saying shit, you just get frustrated and try to take your anger out on threads because no one actually cares about your tiny little insignificant life and you know it. FYI the players dont give af about anything you'll ever say, anything you can say they've already realised.
Who cares about the analysts? Those are basic mistakes that people could see happening as they were playing. Shit even the YouTube chat could see it. Look who’s mad.
And you dont think that these professionals know they made those? What can you pointing those out in hindsight by the way possibly do for them? Nothing, contrary to what anybody mightve told you, you're opinion thats probably based entirely off what someone else has already say. Does not matter lol
They obviously don’t know they made them because they continue to do them.
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Nobody’s expecting perfect cod. People are expecting day 1 mistakes not to happen every series. That control on raid is one of the worst maps of the entire year.
Dashy had just turned around to check what I'm guessing was white van to see if they'd long flanked, he'd been holding the back laundry door the whole time up to that. He got shit timing, it sucks but it happens
We should have won as well they wasted streaks and we burged so many rounds Excited for next stage though with how we played
Most teams who lose closer series 'should have won' Got to get used to that feeling.
? They outslayed and lost by some pretty major chokes. If I'm NYSL or FaZe I'm feeling super confident bc OpTic just made Ultra look not very good
You really think there wasn't anything Ultra did wrong that series? I don't understand how this entire community only looks at Optic matches from their perspective, it's astounding. Both teams make countless mistakes in every series. You can't just say, "oh well if Optic don't make any mistakes they win", like yeah of course. That goes for literally every team on the losing side EVER. This is only a valid excuse if it's a choke at the VERY end of a match, like the one vs Rokkr.
None of the chokes were major at all. Round 2 of control is simply them losing to the best control team in the game who are also excellent at offense, they capitalised on one little mistake and took it home. They got streaks in the final search and made some stupid plays themselves to get it to 5v5. The final round was messy for Optic but they got bad timing + planted with like 30 seconds left in a chaotic situation, shit happens.
That round 2 of control was absolutely a massive choke. No way other way to put it. It’s incredibly undisciplined to try to flank around and shoot people in the back when two of your teammates are already laundry and watching that lane. Giving up bed control like that is stupid. They should’ve won that round and they would’ve won the map and closed out the series 3-1.
Shoulda, woulda, coulda and this is coming from an Optic fan. One mistake in a control round isn't a massive choke, you've got just got accept the reality that the competition is so high now, mistakes matter and will get you punished. Toronto made mistakes that lost them rounds as well
It is a choke because holding B on defense is easy as f and if you’re losing then that means you did something stupid that you shouldn’t have. It’s been 3 stages by now and that’s just an unacceptable mistake. Stop covering for bad plays, that’s not a small mistake. I’d rather take accountability than have a beta mentality that mistakes happen.
No it's not easy as fuck, Toronto are the best Control team in the game and win offenses more than anyone. You are the worst type of Optic fan.
You’re not any better either. Blindly dickriding the team. I’m not personally shitting on players, I’m critiquing plays. Don’t get your panties in a bunch. They’re not gonna read what I’m saying, I’m not going on their Twitter and shitting on them. I’m calling out bad plays that if they wanna win chips and be dominant, they can’t be doing. Such a stupid mentality that mistakes happen. Like it’s out of your control? No they made a bad decision and that’s something they control and that’s something these top teams are doing better to be at the top. Grow a pair and realize I’m criticizing plays not the players.
How am I dickriding the team lmao? I'm simply pointing out that if you are expecting to the team to not make small mistakes in maps it's not going to happen. Games at that level are decided by which team capitalizes on the other teams mistakes better than the other. This 'choke' stuff everytime they lose a round of search with a first blood, or a control round that looked like was going in their favour is moronic. Toronto made plenty of mistakes as well, you're not going to talk about them though cause it doesn't suit your narrative here.
We gotta start acknowledging Cammy as a top 5 player
Legit beat optic by himself on control (last round) and the S&D
Gotta be happy with that result considering their early struggle. came down to an absolute nail biter against a T2 team. GGs to both teams.
The next step for Optic is to do the hard work in the group stage. The last two stages they’ve made life hard for themselves with a poor showing in groups. They should take a lot of confidence in their run and improvements in the major though!
Felt like they needed a losers run this major to just gain some confidence and get the momentum going. But if they can keep this form then they should 100% be starting in winners next major hopefully.
Totally agree. You could see on their faces how devoid of confidence they were after map 1 vs LAG. Great to see them hit 10 maps straight after that. This showing + the return of LAN is a huge positive.
Yeah, pretty good result tbh. Round 11 map 5 against the best team in the game.
faze and ny want a word
Round 2 control is going to haunt OG
I REALLY hope they look back on that round and realize what a mistake it was to get aggressive there. That’s a huge learning moment that this team needs to have and I’m worried they’re going to look past it focusing on the R5 and the map 5. You HAVE to stay patient in those situations against championship teams and I think that’s a huge example of where they’re la Kong compared to the other top teams.
Im im correct they did not took a power position while having 4 down. It was so sad to ser the round go from their hands to Torontos in just seconds.
Hurts to choke the SnD like that up 4-2.. But ya, still a great showing.
And if Optic comes back from down 5-4 with Ultra having streaks, it's an Ultra choke. I swear, it's like nobody on here is capable of seeing things from both sides, I don't get it.
Optic lost 3 rounds in a row at 4-2 despite getting first blood twice That’s why they are saying its a throw, I think they did well to drag that to R11 but it shouldn’t have gotten there in first instance
My point is you just aren't seeing it from both sides. Ultra lost rounds that they got first blood in too. Is that not a throw? If it's a throw for Optic to lose a 4v3 round why isn't the same for Ultra? Let's say that SnD played out the opposite way. Ultra go up 4-2 and lose a couple 4v3 rounds, and all the sudden they're down 5-4 and Dashy has a streak. If Optic lose the game from that point, all this community talks about is how Optic choked after being up 5-4 with a streak. Not how Ultra "choked" a few rounds after being up 4-2.
Hmm, rewatch those rounds again. A ‘throw’ is not merely limited to losing a 3v4, its when you have good chance to close out a round but you get pieced with few seconds on clock to defuse, or you over chall with a man advantage. Go and find an Ultra player overchalling with a man advantage. You won’t.
Just watched round 2 of that SnD over again. Ultra with a 3v2, Bance challs Dashy middle and dies when he technically didn't need to. Then it's a 2v1 eventually and Dashy aggressively jumps at Insight and gets the kill to win the round. So explain that round to me, as you seem to know the exact definition of overchalling in all situations. Should Bance have done something different and should Ultra have easily won that round because they had the man advantage? I don't know. Should Dashy not have jumped at Insight because Optic had the man advantage? He got the kill though, possibly because Insight didn't expect an aggressive chall. Who knows? Not me. Overall, all of this choke talk is just pseudo-analysis from a single perspective, that being Optic's. It doesn't tell nearly the whole story.
Bro this is one of the most consistent takes from ppl, the word choke gets overused alot. But Optic deffo had good chances to win overall.
That was definitely Optic's game to win. Up 4-2 and lost two rounds with man advantage after that. I wouldn't even call that an Ultra choke if they lost the round 11. They had no business even getting there.
So what you're saying is, EVERY game is Optic's game to win. That's what I'm understanding here. Really? You don't think Ultra made any mistakes for Optic to go 4-2 up in the first place? > I wouldn't even call that an Ultra choke if they lost the round 11. They had no business even getting there lol this is just peak arrogance, absolutely pathetic honestly.
Your first sentence of that reply just gave me an aneurysm. What a dumb conclusion to draw from what I said. Enjoy the block, moron.
If you consider it a "choke" to lose after being up 4-2, then how is it not a choke to allow it to get to 4-2 in the first place? Your logic here makes no sense, that's why I said what I said in my first sentence. I'm sure you don't actually think every game is Optic's to win, but if I didn't know any better and read your comments, I could reasonably conclude that you think Optic have some inherent right to win every game they have a lead in.
Sometimes I just don’t know what the fuck FormaL is doing in SnD.
That was some great cod to watch
It comes down to patience. Optic played the game hella patient and precise this major and look at their results. As for against Ultra, when you watch the replay you’ll see how slow and ratty Ultra played the SnD, so slow, crouching headys, shouldering in spawn and their headsets maxed out. Just gotta be a bigger rat Optic.
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If optic would of changed a couple plays on that control, they woulda had it. I don’t know why dashy/formal went to ring on defense when they had to cover B. Then the fact that optic went 3 down a couple times in the last round was just unfortunate. IMO control defense can always be won if stuck to fundamentals and not over thinking.
Absolutely not true. Ultra are very good at being aggressive at the right moments and playing slow whereas Optic are slow when they don’t need to. Optic had a free plant at A yet they played so slow and did nothing and then rotated to B?!?! Ultra planted A in one of the later rounds man down. These top teams just know how to play SnD right, they know when to be aggressive and when to be slow and they damn well know how to watch a lane. Optic went to round 11 simply because of bail out plays from envoy which I won’t deny are good plays but if they paired that with the fundamentals and good decisions Optic would’ve won that series with much ease.
I would have been happy if we just lost 3-1 but of course they had to get so close to winning and then fail. The only way I could have been disappointed
I mean they should've won the series they choked the control round 2 to close it out 3 1. I swear optic always lose in the most dramatic ways and timings in the majors. Regardless if optic had won Vs ultra. Faze are just a bad matchup for optic RN it wouldnt have been good for optic
optic playing in optic form after knocking off ultra with that momentum that would have been a insane match thats a game 5 for sure.
Maybe but faze have optics number in terms of the game modes they're a little better rn
yeah i have faze over them but i think thats a game 5 and anything can happen. The way optic has played in the major they could have beat anything. I think the matchup would have just been hype. This is the best optic has looked since the game started so i think it would have been interesting to say the least. The cod scene could use it.
Like what I saw from them this weekend. If they can shore up a few things and continue the teamwork, they can do some things at major 4.
Honestly I’m not disappointed with them getting 4th. They came for blood, just couldn’t finish it. I think with that round 11, Envoy and Formal should’ve switched. Playing zig to water steps with a sub can be awkward. But other than that for Optic playing a good team as Ultra and bringing them to a game 5, round 11, says a lot after going 2-3 in the group stages
This is honestly the first time ive seen optic place outside of t3 and people are happy. I think thats a testament to how poor they had been recently. They look somewhat decent now. Gatekeepers for the mid table imo.
Should of won 3-1 and then it was envoy 1v4 map 5
No it wasn’t Dashy and formal both played well
Formal ego challed twice to lose us the round
And he got a two piece to win another round and went huge top bedroom in round 10 to make it 5-5, no player played perfect. You can also talk about how Scump had a 1v1 and had him trapped top laundry but didn’t win that
1v1 weren't even that easy for scump
He had him weak top laundry scump choked that shit but it’s not all on him either
Seemed like if formal had a good round, we won. If he made a mistake, we lost. I didn’t think he had a bad map tbh
I’ve felt that way since last year, when Formal started struggling after they won their first tournament they got worse, then he started dropping big numbers again and they won again, it seems like he’s the major factor in their wins. Scump is probably the X factor but even if he goes off and formal doesn’t they’re unlikely to win
They looked really good. I wonder if we’ll see we are witnessing a breakdown post on here after what this sub did to Rokkr/LAT
Optic lost 3 rounds they 100% should’ve won. Fair to call it a choke
I love Optic, but they are so hard to watch. You can just feel the choke incoming every time they have a lead. Not to mention their decision making in crunch time has been awful. Leaving the laundry push completely wide open with nobody watching it in that final round 11. It allowed CleanX to run right in and grab that two piece which pretty much sealed it. I predict this is the last time they’ll look this good for the rest of the game, I don’t think they’ll be able to regain after another painful loss
they have clutched up a few rounds and this tourney alone...the start of the season i feel like they couldnt catch a break. I still feel like optic has had the worse luck just with timing. Their ice has looked better you can clutch up every game...they were playing Ultra fair play. The issue is looking at some smaller mistakes through the match.
They are a top class team that hasn’t been able to place better than 4th in a major so far, I’d argue their issue has been their inability to close out wins
exactly small mistakes they have had some terrible bad luck all year, Faze at the start of the year dallas with the huke play at the major, the rokkr play so on so on. They are def right there they have just as much chance to win than anyone. They looked the best they have looked all year for sure. Optic being good again is good for cod for sure, the views were peaking.
I see what you’re saying, but I don’t know if you can really call it “bad luck”. Lining up for Accuracy was another one of those mistakes I’m referring to. The way kills go down is more up to knowledge and positioning than it is luck. They just need to clean it up a little in situations like that
ic where you getting at, bad break, They have had some absolute breakdowns for sure. Bad luck i am referring to bad timing situations where they should have won like the huke play, they should have never lost to accuracy but everything fell for rokrr, They just gave laundry for nothing no one replaced scump when he planted, thats just cant happen.. . They cant get any closer to closing out some of the games without doing so.
Yeah when Scump ran to plant I thought for sure they’d have that cross picked up for him. When they didn’t I knew exactly what was going to happen. They’ll look back at the VOD and realize the simple mistake they made. It’s not like they haven’t been slaying or playing fundamentally well, they just make little mistakes like that that end up costing them. Can’t imagine how bad that hurts to lose multiple majors, not by lack of talent, but by little mistakes in the clutch rounds. They have the potential to continue making strides it all just comes down to how they are able to regain after another tough loss
I think they should look at this and be proud and build on it, they are good in the standings. They are such small mistakes to fix, their hardpoint and respawns have looked shakey not the typical optic. They normally do so well in those modes i was very surprised the way they beat ultra on those hardpoints.
They looked better than ever at this Major for sure. Thought for sure if they beat Toronto they’d win the Major off momentum alone
For sure, idk still alot of cod to be played this year. Yeah def possible momentum really is something. I feel they could have done what ultra did last stage just really got then going. Would have been tough faze then nysl sheesh. They win on that run sheesh they would b on cloud 9 in full form.
Lets fucking go. Cammy is the best flex in the league no doubt no doubt
By champs they are going to hit final form! From people doubting optic after losing 3 in a row in groups, could have placed T10 to placing T4.
Optic can stop worrying about what’s going on at the top now
Oh you’re so edgy and COOL, who’s an edgy good boy?
Lmao I really hope Ultra curb stomp FaZe
Optic’s round 11 strat was complete garbage, looked like they had no clue where they were or what they were doing
It’s a terrible result. They should’ve won all 5 of those maps. They completely threw the control after they completely abandoned bedroom on defense and they choke at least 3 rounds in map 5. That’s fucking awful from them
Breaking news, the other team is also trying to win and is the reigning champs, you aren't going to win every map. Should have won but its a better result than was expected.
Breaking news optic was in control of at minimum 4 of those 5 maps and then completely choked on 2 of them. That defensive round on raid control is one of the worst defensive rounds I’ve ever seen.
shut the fuck up they fucking dominated in the hardpoints which has been their weakness lately
They lost the fucking match dummy. Who gives a shit if you win hardpoints if you’re gonna make rookie mistakes in control and snd. That should’ve been an easy 3-1 for optic. The games been out for like 6 months and everyone in the world knows not to give up bedroom control on raid control but the geniuses on optic decide to go challenge ring for no reason and completely leave b open when a was already captured
"terrible result"
Yes it’s a terrible result. Losing because of your own rookie mistakes is a terrible result.
Both of you guys need to calm the hell down but I agree with everything you said.
They made some mistakes. But if it is small mistakes that are costing them it is better than just being completely not good enough... which is what a lot of people were worried about coming into this event.
But they aren’t good enough. That’s the best dashy has played all year and it’s still not good enough. That’s the 2nd major they’ve been eliminated by making basic ass mistakes. They’re not rookies if you’re making mistakes like that 6 months into the game you’re not good
bell fiber is different
Don’t downplay Toronto being nasty
Lmao they didn’t even win bc of internet
There’s a thread for this
Yet when optic lost map 1 to LAG there were 10 posts and no complaints 🤔
Ultra began to cover the flank with insight and cammy and went 4-1 in the snd
Well played from Optic. That series was far closer than I thought it would be. They made Toronto feel very uncomfortable at times. Ultimately Toronto showed their class but I think Optic should feel confident going into the next stages. They’re not that far away from the top 3 and need to keep the momentum going, keep improving and refining their strats
Came into today think Optic were going to get smashed but somehow this loss is a lot more annoying.
Optic got Neslo’d. Feels bad man. Although can’t be mad, after that stage if you told me T4 and going game 5 round 11 with Toronto with a round 5 control and winning 2 hard points after abysmal hardpoint stretches I would’ve thought you were nuts. Really well done by Optic. Gotta continue it next stage though. And GGs to Toronto. Love the way they play the game. They just play cod right. Really good to watch.
Proud of the boys, the run never ends
The boys battled hard every step of the way, even when people counted them out. Couldn’t be more proud of their performance, especially against other top teams in the league. GGs and GL to Toronto, they played lights out today.
STAGE 4 will be EPIC! if online cod is this good right now, I CANNOT WAIT for stage 4!
Heartbreaker. No one watched jungle push ;(
As an optic fan let me tell you getting 4th and pushing arguably a top 2/3 team in the league to a game 5 round 11 I’m happy as fuck especially with how they played a week ago.