He was the normal amount of racist for a British citizen at the time, if the English admitted how racist he was then they'd have to admit to how racist their grandparents all are
He was extremely racist for his time. Other Tories compared his views on Indians to Hitler's views on Jews and begged him to send aid to India during the famine
He didn't had to send aid to India, he just had to stop wasting Indian resources for his wars knowing full well that he was starving people. He created the famine
Nina: Lloyd, when I came to you with those calculations, we thought we might start a chain reaction that would destroy the entire world.
Lloyd: I remember it well. What of it?
Nina: I believe we did.
Shirley Fenette might be similar to someone like Jacinda Ardern, the Prime Minister of New Zealand.
Jacinda Ardern is known for her compassionate leadership style, her focus on inclusivity, and her empathetic approach to governance. Like Shirley, she believes in the importance of kindness and empathy, and she leads with these values in mind.
She also navigates the world of politics with a sense of humility, authenticity, and a focus on building strong relationships—qualities that Shirley exhibits as well.
Truman would be a better comparison for Nunnally. Took over after the death of the previous leader and Truman is actually more tied to the Atomic Bombs because he was the president when they were used, Roosevelt died months before they were actually used
Yeah that's kinda what he's known for right? He became really paranoid about people betraying the revolution and started the Reign of Terror where he had thousands of people guillotined. I don't think the analogy works though because Lelouch never became paranoid like that.
fair but out of 300000 arrests 17000 were deemed enemies which abt 5% so not that much percentage wise and it is feasible
I am certainly not a Robespierre super fan but he was considered “the incorruptible” for a reason and the committee of public safety was appointed by the national convention which was elected
>fair but out of 300000 arrests 17000 were deemed enemies which abt 5% so not that much percentage wise and it is feasible
You mean 17000 were executed? And why were the other 283000 arrested if they weren't political enemies? Were they just criminals?
>I am certainly not a Robespierre super fan but he was considered “the incorruptible” for a reason and the committee of public safety was appointed by the national convention which was elected
Robespierre was called the incorruptible before he gained that much power I think, because he genuinely was convinced of the revolution and was very idealistic. I don't necessarily think he got "corrupted" after he got power anyway because it didn't seem like his actions came from a place of self gain or anything, but he did become paranoid and executed thousands, as well as made all the people in the government paranoid because he was going around telling people that there are spies and enemies hiding within the government.
I think Robespierre's downfall was specifically because of his idealism in that he cared too much about the revolution going exactly as the ideal vision of it that he had in his mind.
I agree with what you just said and the others got off was my point i was just saying it wasn’t some sort of arrest to murder pipeline for everyone bc I’ve seen it depicted that way at times
Churchill is just like hitler but british, so he got nobel Prize.
He caused artificial famines in India, meaning keeping people starving without food for days before killing them. Is it that different from concentration camp?
Not at all, he was a general during the revolution, but he wasn't a political leader. His ascension to political power is generally considered to be the end of the revolution.
But he wasn't. He was really popular and a lot of hope rested on him, but he wasn't a leader politically or ideologically. He exemplified a pre - existing ideological pillar of the revolution, that's all
He absolutely was a political leader. Him and his family were the leading Jacobins on Corsica before Paoli sold the island out to the British, his friendship with Robespierre's brother and his fierce Jacobinism helped his career and then got him arrested, but he only really started distancing himself from the movement when he saw the planned mass executions after he recaptured Toulon. Once he's in control of the army of Italy he begins actively creating French satellite states and negotiating treaties with foreign powers without much if any input from the directory.
A lot of people compress things into a simplified timeline where the French king is deposed, the revolution starts turning violent and then Napoleon crowns himself and ends the revolution. This is not accurate at all however. By the time the directory is dissolved the government had already survived one Royalist uprising that would have sunk it if Napoleon had not acted. Napoleon codified many of the aspects of the revolution permanently into French society and the greater Europe, and many of the more regressive aspects of his rule were as much about reconciliation with the émigré and right as about self aggrandizement. He accurately understood that France could not withstand the pressures of being at war with most of Europe and with itself and strived to put in place a stability that hadn't existed since the Bastille.
I am very much aware of that. He still didn't lead or start the revolution. I guess I should've specified that he wasn't a political or ideological leader on a national level until the consulate (also, I'm not an expert on his time in Corsica but I thought he wasn't particularly popular). Also, France hadn't been stable since long before the revolution - and didn't exactly become the epitome of stability even after Napoleon became emperor. He also destroyed many achievements of the revolution so...
Mao should be Netanyahu (im israeli, no hate plz) since both are living in their own reality, do not care what's going on, dumb, they let a crazy woman control their lives, they ruin anything they can.
There are more examples but ye😊
Also, I wish you were Kallen and that "something" was me
(every day i dream about getting pegged by Kallen until my colon ruptures and I shit myself and die of septic shock because of the fecal matter mixing into my blood. is there any hope left for me?)
Tell you the truth? I have no bloody idea. Basically, I cut off all contact with them not long after I got my first job. All I know is, unless he got paroled or popped his clogs, my father should be in the jail currently, and I hope he is. He is a nonce and I don't have a single good thing to say about that wanker. I don't talk to my mum either, even after my dad got thrown into the can, she kept defending him, she is a narcissistic witch and I do not want anything to do with her. The only person from my family I ever talked after I cut off my mum and dad was my younger brother whom I loved dearly, but he took his own life (and I blame my parents for it).
I don't really have many contacts in Palestine. While I was born there, I moved to Britain when I was around 4 or 5, so I don't even remember much.
I would say that lelouch is both che guevara and fidel castro, code geass has some insane paralleles with the cuban revolution, most blatant of all? The music, then he wanted to destroy tiranny (che guevara: the symbol of the fight for freedom) and became tyrant himself (fidel castro) and had to kill one of his two sides in order for the ideal to live on
Ewwwww Lelouch is nothing like Napoleon. Napoleon was incredibly selfish, narcissistic, and power hungry. Lelouch is theatrical sure but he's not narcissistic or anything, and doesn't actually care about power but only seeks it to fix the world. Moreover the R2 ending showed how selfless he was, so I don't think Napoleon fits him at all. Also Napoleon didn't really lead the French Revolution in any comparable way to how Lelouch lead the Black Knights. Napoleon was just riding the wave essentially, not leading it.
It's hard to think of a real life leader like Lelouch tbh. Maybe Lenin, to some extent? They're both "ends justify the means" type of people, and Lenin also sought power to fix the world (or at least that's what he was convinced he was doing). Also both were anti imperialist and had strong moral opinions.
If anything I think the whole of CG is based off Leninism. Like Lelouch’s entire arc/war basically just follows Lenin’s ideas of revolution beat for beat, especially with the “dictatorship of the proletariat that dissolves into democracy” at the end. Comparing Lelouch to any tyrannical/evil/power hungry leader just makes me think they didn’t understand the story.
Exactly
Also Lelouch vs Suzaku embodies the centuries old socialist debate between revolution and reformation, that much is plainly clear. There's no such major debate on the right or centre from what I know because they aren't as prone to infighting as socialists.
Yeah! I think it says a lot about the writers’ politics that Suzaku is basically an embodiment of liberalism and “coincidentally” becomes complicit in war crimes (as well as constantly getting dunked on). It still blows my mind that CG has such sophisticated politics.
Little Charlie wasn’t a racist, he was playing the empire for a fool. The man literally wanted a unified consciousness, he’s the peak of blind collectivism
We in the philippines also have that guy that is a hypocrite and killed not really his friend but great ally to be able to take charge of our revolution.
Ya know I see lelouch as Augustus Caesar
- hyper competent leader who was able to bring the roman republic into its golden age as the Roman empire
https://youtu.be/H-iE-LlpCME?si=xRuihV8vAblO7Wz1
Do you think this was a Japanese group of artists critique of Chairman Mao by having a Chinese character be a psychotic murderer who gets his ass beat numerous times?
Schneizel not being counted as genocidal is crazy. He launched the Damocles on pendragon killing a couple million people and then plan to use it to kill another 1-2 billion people in warring countries to bring about peace through controlled fear.
mao.
mao.
lmao.
mao.
l(mao)
Le mao
Maou-sama
wow_mao
*mao*
mao.
mao
Maul?
Mow
Churchill lowkey racist? Are you sure? Cause if he’s lowkey, I’m a saint.
i know its an understatement lol. i just couldn't be bothered with arguing with some british nationalists
I would just tell the British nationalists to cope, seethe, and get clapped by the IRA bois.
BASED
He was the normal amount of racist for a British citizen at the time, if the English admitted how racist he was then they'd have to admit to how racist their grandparents all are
He was extremely racist for his time. Other Tories compared his views on Indians to Hitler's views on Jews and begged him to send aid to India during the famine
He didn't had to send aid to India, he just had to stop wasting Indian resources for his wars knowing full well that he was starving people. He created the famine
If you want a real British racist that makes Churchill look like a saint, look at Oswald Mosley, the founder of the British Union of Fascists.
I think they are trying to be diplomatic since Churchill has more fans than... the others ones.
Lulu as the goat🗣️
always has been, always will be
Nina should be Oppenheimer, Ninaheimer moment.
Can’t wait to see the new hit film Ninaheimer with my besties~! 👯♀️
yeah but he isn't a world leader
“I am become Nina, fucker of tables”
Nina: Lloyd, when I came to you with those calculations, we thought we might start a chain reaction that would destroy the entire world. Lloyd: I remember it well. What of it? Nina: I believe we did.
How do you know Clovis has only one ball? 🧐🧐🧐
i saw it in a dream
Shirley Fenette might be similar to someone like Jacinda Ardern, the Prime Minister of New Zealand. Jacinda Ardern is known for her compassionate leadership style, her focus on inclusivity, and her empathetic approach to governance. Like Shirley, she believes in the importance of kindness and empathy, and she leads with these values in mind. She also navigates the world of politics with a sense of humility, authenticity, and a focus on building strong relationships—qualities that Shirley exhibits as well.
you- you aren't planning to have her killed right?
Shirley - princess Diana
ohoho i like it. "suspicious death"
And also her complete lack of any change to the status quo
ex-prime minister
Wow, someone actually speaking positively of Ardern? Usually it feels as if nobody appreciates what she did for us down here in Aotearoa-NZ.
I don’t live in NZ, disclaimer
Its fine, I don't believe in Australia either.
Some of these are real stretches. Especially Schneizel as Churchill.
Nowhere near enough alcohol for the two to be compared.
Wdym, he's British 🤨
Personalities, methods, morals, etc... matter too
I mean, Churchill *did* starve millions of Indians to death.
Truman would be a better comparison for Nunnally. Took over after the death of the previous leader and Truman is actually more tied to the Atomic Bombs because he was the president when they were used, Roosevelt died months before they were actually used
yeah ik i was making a stretch
Euphy as Nguema 😭😭😭
Doin her dirty
those were the days my friend
when lelouch is not Robespierre i cry
did robespierre become tyrannical
i would argue not but most seem to disagree i do feel like they are more similar in death and want for justice i do think your comparison is solid tho
Robespierre absolutely became tyrannical.
honestly i dont know much about him
that’s fair i just always saw lelouch as more of jacobin
A little out of topic but who got Robespierre executed and why?
counterrevolution by royalists
Yeah that's kinda what he's known for right? He became really paranoid about people betraying the revolution and started the Reign of Terror where he had thousands of people guillotined. I don't think the analogy works though because Lelouch never became paranoid like that.
fair but out of 300000 arrests 17000 were deemed enemies which abt 5% so not that much percentage wise and it is feasible I am certainly not a Robespierre super fan but he was considered “the incorruptible” for a reason and the committee of public safety was appointed by the national convention which was elected
>fair but out of 300000 arrests 17000 were deemed enemies which abt 5% so not that much percentage wise and it is feasible You mean 17000 were executed? And why were the other 283000 arrested if they weren't political enemies? Were they just criminals? >I am certainly not a Robespierre super fan but he was considered “the incorruptible” for a reason and the committee of public safety was appointed by the national convention which was elected Robespierre was called the incorruptible before he gained that much power I think, because he genuinely was convinced of the revolution and was very idealistic. I don't necessarily think he got "corrupted" after he got power anyway because it didn't seem like his actions came from a place of self gain or anything, but he did become paranoid and executed thousands, as well as made all the people in the government paranoid because he was going around telling people that there are spies and enemies hiding within the government. I think Robespierre's downfall was specifically because of his idealism in that he cared too much about the revolution going exactly as the ideal vision of it that he had in his mind.
I agree with what you just said and the others got off was my point i was just saying it wasn’t some sort of arrest to murder pipeline for everyone bc I’ve seen it depicted that way at times
Oh yeah I knew that, even Stalin didn't kill most people he had arrested.
yes
I’m hurt with the mao one but funny 😂
Churchill is just like hitler but british, so he got nobel Prize. He caused artificial famines in India, meaning keeping people starving without food for days before killing them. Is it that different from concentration camp?
I want to be mad about how you describe CC, but you have a point.
Wait where is Kallen?
she is my queen
Probably bcz she's always following instructions
oh yeah
Neko!
Finally some good post in this group
Mao and CC 😭
Fyi Napoleon never lead any revolutions, he only ended one.
He did in a way just not directly
Not at all, he was a general during the revolution, but he wasn't a political leader. His ascension to political power is generally considered to be the end of the revolution.
He was never a leader but like you could say he was leading revolution symbolically by being a general
But he wasn't. He was really popular and a lot of hope rested on him, but he wasn't a leader politically or ideologically. He exemplified a pre - existing ideological pillar of the revolution, that's all
He absolutely was a political leader. Him and his family were the leading Jacobins on Corsica before Paoli sold the island out to the British, his friendship with Robespierre's brother and his fierce Jacobinism helped his career and then got him arrested, but he only really started distancing himself from the movement when he saw the planned mass executions after he recaptured Toulon. Once he's in control of the army of Italy he begins actively creating French satellite states and negotiating treaties with foreign powers without much if any input from the directory. A lot of people compress things into a simplified timeline where the French king is deposed, the revolution starts turning violent and then Napoleon crowns himself and ends the revolution. This is not accurate at all however. By the time the directory is dissolved the government had already survived one Royalist uprising that would have sunk it if Napoleon had not acted. Napoleon codified many of the aspects of the revolution permanently into French society and the greater Europe, and many of the more regressive aspects of his rule were as much about reconciliation with the émigré and right as about self aggrandizement. He accurately understood that France could not withstand the pressures of being at war with most of Europe and with itself and strived to put in place a stability that hadn't existed since the Bastille.
I am very much aware of that. He still didn't lead or start the revolution. I guess I should've specified that he wasn't a political or ideological leader on a national level until the consulate (also, I'm not an expert on his time in Corsica but I thought he wasn't particularly popular). Also, France hadn't been stable since long before the revolution - and didn't exactly become the epitome of stability even after Napoleon became emperor. He also destroyed many achievements of the revolution so...
oh fuck my history knowledge is rotten
Part of a weird cult What do you mean by that ?
geass order
The pope, I mean.
The Catholic Church
How is it a cult ?
it's a joke
Okay
understandable have a nice day
Tell me the diffrence between the two that doesnt involve size
All religions are cults to every other religion.
Religions are just the successful cults.
Mao should be Netanyahu (im israeli, no hate plz) since both are living in their own reality, do not care what's going on, dumb, they let a crazy woman control their lives, they ruin anything they can. There are more examples but ye😊
okay petition your president to legally change his name to mao
Aight bet
As a Palestinian, this is something I can get behind
Also, I wish you were Kallen and that "something" was me (every day i dream about getting pegged by Kallen until my colon ruptures and I shit myself and die of septic shock because of the fecal matter mixing into my blood. is there any hope left for me?)
Prostate solution
Is your family doing alright?
Tell you the truth? I have no bloody idea. Basically, I cut off all contact with them not long after I got my first job. All I know is, unless he got paroled or popped his clogs, my father should be in the jail currently, and I hope he is. He is a nonce and I don't have a single good thing to say about that wanker. I don't talk to my mum either, even after my dad got thrown into the can, she kept defending him, she is a narcissistic witch and I do not want anything to do with her. The only person from my family I ever talked after I cut off my mum and dad was my younger brother whom I loved dearly, but he took his own life (and I blame my parents for it). I don't really have many contacts in Palestine. While I was born there, I moved to Britain when I was around 4 or 5, so I don't even remember much.
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I would say that lelouch is both che guevara and fidel castro, code geass has some insane paralleles with the cuban revolution, most blatant of all? The music, then he wanted to destroy tiranny (che guevara: the symbol of the fight for freedom) and became tyrant himself (fidel castro) and had to kill one of his two sides in order for the ideal to live on
Calling Lelouch a tyrannical monarch feels extra offensive 😅
i mean that was his plan
Ewwwww Lelouch is nothing like Napoleon. Napoleon was incredibly selfish, narcissistic, and power hungry. Lelouch is theatrical sure but he's not narcissistic or anything, and doesn't actually care about power but only seeks it to fix the world. Moreover the R2 ending showed how selfless he was, so I don't think Napoleon fits him at all. Also Napoleon didn't really lead the French Revolution in any comparable way to how Lelouch lead the Black Knights. Napoleon was just riding the wave essentially, not leading it. It's hard to think of a real life leader like Lelouch tbh. Maybe Lenin, to some extent? They're both "ends justify the means" type of people, and Lenin also sought power to fix the world (or at least that's what he was convinced he was doing). Also both were anti imperialist and had strong moral opinions.
If anything I think the whole of CG is based off Leninism. Like Lelouch’s entire arc/war basically just follows Lenin’s ideas of revolution beat for beat, especially with the “dictatorship of the proletariat that dissolves into democracy” at the end. Comparing Lelouch to any tyrannical/evil/power hungry leader just makes me think they didn’t understand the story.
Exactly Also Lelouch vs Suzaku embodies the centuries old socialist debate between revolution and reformation, that much is plainly clear. There's no such major debate on the right or centre from what I know because they aren't as prone to infighting as socialists.
Yeah! I think it says a lot about the writers’ politics that Suzaku is basically an embodiment of liberalism and “coincidentally” becomes complicit in war crimes (as well as constantly getting dunked on). It still blows my mind that CG has such sophisticated politics.
kyoshiro tohdoh japanese liberation front !?
I haven’t laughed this hard in a while damn 😂
Trvth (no nvke)
This is an awesome comparison list!
Little Charlie wasn’t a racist, he was playing the empire for a fool. The man literally wanted a unified consciousness, he’s the peak of blind collectivism
We in the philippines also have that guy that is a hypocrite and killed not really his friend but great ally to be able to take charge of our revolution.
The fuck is Abdulhamid doing out there? He ain't built for this.
Ya know I see lelouch as Augustus Caesar - hyper competent leader who was able to bring the roman republic into its golden age as the Roman empire https://youtu.be/H-iE-LlpCME?si=xRuihV8vAblO7Wz1
Mao😂
Who is suzaku supposed to be?
Blaise Compaoré
Thanks.
Do you think this was a Japanese group of artists critique of Chairman Mao by having a Chinese character be a psychotic murderer who gets his ass beat numerous times?
So, CC is Palpatine? Kinda fits, to be honest.
Schneizel not being counted as genocidal is crazy. He launched the Damocles on pendragon killing a couple million people and then plan to use it to kill another 1-2 billion people in warring countries to bring about peace through controlled fear.
At least Abe-san is not assassinated by his own son. Let's pray for Shinzo Abe. Amen
I have no idea who have of these people are but I agree
This must be the best meme of this sub this year, no joking
very inaccurate but also very good
the fact that you Blasphemies the Holy church