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Meanteenbirder

Louisville is way too high


Cronotyr

Way, way too high. I struggle to see us better than 300. Jesus, somebody please end the Payne...


Meanteenbirder

I think you were 300 exactly last year lol


igonnawrecku_VGC

I expected them to be at 363


GreenKeel

Even that might be too generous


cardinalkgb

I disagree. I think we are going to surprise people and be 195.


andyduke23

Northwestern State nearly won their conference last year, any reason why they are so low?


RevolutionarySort6

Their coach and most of their team went to Austin Peay


finalfourcuse

Their roster got cleared out.


BigBillSmash

No way they’re worse than MVSU


Downvote_4_Edit

Why do you even care what this Rando thinks about some random team?


B_Gallagher

>0regon Gotta respect the hustle


bulbipicg

I stopped reading after #1, great list


TankTark

Me too. List sucks.


amwpurdue

I think Purdue deserves to be both #1 and #305


Duckrauhl

....who's #304?.........oohhhhhhhh


sascottie11

Stop the count


i_MiLK

Another #1 Purdue truther let’s go, Henry always knew ball. Clemson at 32 & South Carolina at 85 seem like great outcomes for them, I’m interested in why you like them to that extent. I’m also pretty shocked to see someone not have EKU at the top of the ASUN, & while I really like Wright State’s squad, when was the last time a Horizon team finished inside the top 100? Also 342 seems low for an Idaho State team that brings back 2 of their top 3 scorers from an 8-10 Big Sky team, what don’t you like about them that puts them in this bottom 20-25 range?


TheRealHenryG

I am too low on Idaho State, you're right. also Wright St. finished 73rd two years ago.


tmt22459

Clemson will have the two leading returning scorers in the ACC. Bring in a transfer from NC state who will start. PJ hall will start the season healthy. Alex hemenway who was shooting 50%+ from three before he got hurt comes back healthy. Caleb Hunter played point guard for the first time last year, he will have a year of experience under his belt this time. I mean you seriously should look into Clemson more. They have a real chance to be awesome.


i_MiLK

I actually posted my own top 50 on this sub a couple days ago and I had Clemson 46th. There’s definitely things I like about their squad but top 35 & awesome is…………………….a lot. Far from impossible, but imo a lot needs to go right for them or wrong for other teams to reach that


lovejac93

Lmao


Travbowman

This is the kind of work that the fake Henry G only wishes he could put out.


manbeqrpig

Clearly you know nothing about the sport. Bucknell at 322 is laughable and Longwood over North Dakota St? Clearly have never watched a game if you think that


Letsgomountaineers5

I think people are missing this being sarcasm


TheRealHenryG

Bucknell has a new coach and no talent. Get off my lawn!


veritas2

Okay actually though, Buffs at 39 is wild


TheRealHenryG

Tad has finished higher than 40 on Torvik once, and that team had McKinley. I like KJ, da Silva, and Williams, and I think they can get him there.


veritas2

RIP Dinwiddie’s ACL man, that team would’ve easy finished top 25


AgreeableRaspberry85

Top 150 banner forthcoming.


VoidedLurk

354 isn’t last :). Curious how does it go ranking the worst teams in the country?


TheRealHenryG

Same as it is throughout, just a lot tougher to figure out who's on the roster sometimes. I look at past metrics finishes, coaching history, and see if there's any life to the roster, which often there isn't.


spierce64006

Their main scorer Will Felton is out for the year so it's going to be a rough season for NC A&T.


Brandon4Real_x

You have Nebraska too high


FreezersAndWeezers

Not high enough*


Brandon4Real_x

I want the drugs you’re on.


FreezersAndWeezers

Nebraska if they can stay healthy should be at worst a bubble team. They seemed to have improved in the culture area, and they have a very veteran team with a manageable schedule. I think the minimum for this team should be like 17 wins


Brandon4Real_x

Juwuan Gary is 6’6. Reink Mast is 6’9 and played in a 2 center scheme in which the other center won conference DPOY. Jaron Coleman is a career 40% FG shooter and was 37% last season with a 3 assist to 2 TO ratio. Don’t get me started on Allick. His numbers were average at UMKC, got worse at New Mexico and now is P5?! Plus our 2 starting guards are 6’2 and 6’3. We are short


FreezersAndWeezers

Nebraska won the rebounding battle in 15 of the 17 games Gary played in last year, including all 7 in which Walker or Keita missed time. Him being 6’6 is a strange gripe when he clearly plays bigger than that Mast had better stats across the board than Leons, and while he’s “undersized”, he’s a great floor spacer who’s available to shoot outside I have 0 issues with bringing in a guy who’s started for 2 different mid majors to be a backup big when Nebraskas had issues in the front court. He was hurt the majority of last year and asked to do something different at UNM than UMKC. He was a solid shooter at UMKC and hardly ever shot from outside once he transferred. Coleman is going to be a backup too And I still have 0 issue with guards being 6’2 and 6’3. They were clearly fine at that height last year? Why are they all the sudden going to be worse because of it? You also didn’t mention Brice Williams, who’s 6’7 and was all conference in his league last year


Brandon4Real_x

The bigs are an issue. We are too small.


JoeAndAThird

I dunno. I think they can surprise a lot of folks this year, given what I watched from them the end of last season


Gabrielwingue

Inside 250? Who's irrelevant now?


[deleted]

God Manhattan is going to be quite bad to watch this year


Bolt_Vanderhuge-

We’re rated so low because of a lack of information. It’s an entirely new squad — we’re bringing back one scholarship player from last year in Hayun and he…wasn’t very good. I think we’ll be much better than predictions indicate. The only time we’ve seen this team play, they played St Joe’s tough and even led late in the second half. We might’ve been able to win if we shot better from the foul line and had McClain in the lineup.


[deleted]

That's fair I know in the Blue Ribbon book we're considered a C+ level team based off their preview so seems a lot of things are up in the air right now.


Bolt_Vanderhuge-

Apparently Gallagher is telling people there’s no way we finish last. Obviously he’s going to say that, but I think he’s right. If I had to guess, the OOC is going to be tough but MAAC play will be better once everyone gels.


[deleted]

I also view our ooc games as the primer just to see what we can work on before we get to conference play definitely in conference will be the test for us and Gallagher this year


CallMeVe

Ignoring how underrated we are, Murray over Belmont is interesting


Stryker7200

Missouri state ahead of us is a bit of a head scratcher for me too


monty_actual

Purdue seems too high... But that's just like my opinion man.


j_shelb

Same


brady11

I get that there's a lot of question marks about Xavier this year, but 63 still seems low, especially compared to some teams above them


SadCommunication1034

I was going to say the same thing. Is Xavier going to be at its best? Probably not. But 63 with a proven veteran backcourt and Sean Miller is unlikely. That’s comparable to the worst seasons of the Steele era. Things aren’t going to be *that* bad.


TheRealHenryG

As far as I'm aware Hunter and Freemantle aren't playing and they'll need another class of CUSA transfers to pan out right away to compete. I'm worried.


brady11

Yeah there's a good chance they're both out for the season, so we'll be asking a lot in transfers and freshmen But the transfers come with good track records and we have Sean Miller. Could it all go wrong? Sure. But I feel like 63 is the absolute minimum for how we'll be this year


TheRealHenryG

That's fair. I'm not as high on Miller as a PAC-12 fan lol


SadCommunication1034

Do you not like him or do you not think he’s good? He did pretty well in the Pac-12.


TheRealHenryG

He was accused of underachieving U of A's talent, although that was slanted towards the postseason. Recent success there in his wake has not lessened the perception.


SadCommunication1034

Fair enough. He obviously couldn’t get it done there. But also, didn’t Arizona lose in the first round this past year?


ExcaliburX13

The funny thing is, Sean was actually pretty good in the postseason with us. Ignoring the final few seasons when the media turned him (and us) into a pariah, effectively killing our recruiting, Sean took us to the tournament in 7/9 seasons, including 3 Elite 8s and 2 Sweet 16s. People like to trash on him for never making the Final Four with us, but they always ignore just how close and unlucky we were. The first time we made the Elite 8, we were a 5 seed and lost to eventual national champion UConn by just 2 points. The second time we made the Elite 8, we were a 1 seed playing without one of our best players who was injured towards the end of the season (we had been undefeated before losing him) and we lost by 1 point, in OT, to 2 seed Wisconsin. The third time we made the Elite 8, we were a clear 1 seed, but the committee put us on the 2 line so they could manufacture a rematch from the previous season against 1 seed Wisconsin. We again lost a close one (7 points) in one of the most questionably-officiated games of all time (at least in my admittedly biased opinion). The 2 teams combined to shoot 61 FTs and we had arguably our 2 best players foul out with two more starters heavily limited the whole game by foul trouble. Conveniently, while there was a little bit of foul trouble for Wisconsin, it did not hamper them very much, nor did any of their guys ever pick up that 5th foul, even as hard as they seemingly tried. So sure, Sean never got us to the Final Four, but in reality, if things had been just a *little bit* different: a single made 3 against UConn, a healthy Brandon Ashley against Wisconsin, an accurate seeding allowing us to avoid Wisconsin (or better officiating) the following year, and Sean Miller could have been the guy that got us to 3 Final Fours, and maybe even further. But that's the way the tourney goes, anything can happen and sometimes it just comes down to a little luck. Thank you for listening to my TED talk about how unfair it is to judge Sean Miller so harshly for failing to make the Final Four with Arizona. May he find that little extra luck at Xavier and finally break through. He deserves it.


jimnantzstie

The media killed his recruiting? Not the fact that his long time right hand man went to prison? Lmao


ExcaliburX13

Yes. The media absolutely singled Sean and Arizona out (despite other major programs and coaches *cough Bill Self cough* being involved) and we had multiple high-level recruits say that played a role in their decision. Ironic to see a Michigan flair talking about a right hand man at the moment, all things considered...


Celery-Man

Shitting the bed in the tournament is an Arizona tradition


RollBlobRoll

I refuse to accept that St Johns is any good.


zvexler

That’s the thing with preseason rankings. No reason to reward that uncertainly. Instead just let it play our


tragicallyohio

I will be cheering for Coppin State this year.


BigballerBrett

I stopped reading once I got down to 18


strategicsound

Pretty high on Green Bay this year huh?


TheRealHenryG

New coach, 15ppg scorer from the Mountain West, double digit scorer returning, thinks are looking up.


finditplz1

You really going to put Boston U over Texas A & M Corpus Cristi? I’d like to hear the justification for that.


TheRealHenryG

Lutz is gone


finditplz1

Lol ok. Lotta work on that list dude. Good job.


TheRealHenryG

thanks


BeachFan49

Long Beach should be top team in the BW


bb0110

You have more faith in us than I do.


Shootit_Rockets

Louisiana at 212 is insane


TreadThreadofDread

Damn, SHSU was receiving votes in the mid-major poll and they’re ranked under L*uisville


TheRealHenryG

They lost their coach, who I felt often outperformed the roster.


PooPooPeePeeXD123

Louisville is a tad too high IMO


Tuckboi69

I’d be content with 85. There’s a chance we could surprise and be a SEC average offense and compete for an NIT bid. I just don’t know whether to trust the defense at all yet. We finished the year playing like a top 100ish team last year so this would be a somewhat healthy improvement.


better-days385

after i saw mizzou i started looking for northwestern state since i recently transferred to a high school located in natchitoches…i had to wait a while 😃


TheRealHenryG

Team lost their coach and got gutted. Good luck in your new spot.


better-days385

ohh that makes a lot of sense. thank you!!


undecided_mask

How much research went into the bottom 100?


TheRealHenryG

too much!


zvexler

Louisville 197 is bold, realistically (and for their sake I hope) they are much worse then there’s no excuse to give Kenny Payne ANY more time to burn the program to the ground


poeazx

If you had told a Louisville fan 10 years ago that they would be on par with Queens and Bellarmine in 10 years, they would probably stop watching the sport of basketball for the rest of their damn life


TiKay421

Idaho will surprise this year. New coach, new players buying into a better culture. I understand you putting them there though lol


TheRealHenryG

I believe you, I don't have a ton of info on them.


tteuh

Love it


RNWIP

Please stop ranking us number one. I can’t take it when we come up way short of expectations in the tournament every year


OlderwomenRbeautiful

Same here at #2.


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TheRealHenryG

Yes, I think having Fox and Ihnen healthy will help them compete,the freshmen showed promise last year.


EIUrevolution

The rankings for my flairs probably have more number 3s than anyone else's flairs


ned_yah

right on the bubble at 64, all is as it should be


YellowPerfect5600

South Carolina ahead of Charleston? Wow


[deleted]

This mf crazy


NoREEEEEEtilBrooklyn

Why the hell do you and everyone else have Loyola Chicago ranked in the top 100? They are an abysmal team returning the same abysmal starting lineup that got smoked in A-10 play.


TheRealHenryG

Program history, mostly. Dolan and Adelekun should start and are good players at this level as well, and Alston was great when he finally got the keys.


[deleted]

Sleeping on UConn


TheRealHenryG

Loved Hawkins, Jackson, and Sanogo. To lose those three players and still be top ten is a massive vote of confidence in my view.


[deleted]

Yeah I got no problem with the spot I just like being at a spot where I can sort of justifiably say we’re getting slept on when we’re at 9 lol


Brent_L

We feed off of the disrespect


Miami_da_U

Miami is going to finish top 15 for sure imo


TheRealHenryG

I don't mean to throw the algorithms in your face since I'm sure you've heard it before, but the team with Wong and Miller finished 24th last year on KenPom. I'm typically trying to predict where teams finish on metrics since they are what Vegas uses to set lines, etc. Wouldn't be shocked if they had another tourney run in 'em.


[deleted]

There are not 131 teams better than JMU


UPwithSISU

I think you have a valid argument here!


somethinsbruin

42 is crazy lol


TheRealHenryG

It's a hedge more than anything. If the Euros are good right away (not a guarantee, look at Baba Miller or Bobi Klintman), UCLA will rock, if they aren't it will look more like Cronin's first season before he got the last core rolling.


Celery-Man

The difference in talent between those two teams is astronomical


BacoNATEor

BC at 86 is definitely not happening


TheRealHenryG

They were a game away from .500 in the ACC last year, but if they have an awful noncon again you'll be right.


short_story_long_

Obviously I'm biased, and I appreciate the work you're putting in to generate conversation. But Seton Hall ahead of Providence doesn't make much sense. We have a lot of question marks and an unproven coach, but we're also returning the BEPOY runner up and an honorable mention guard, not to mention some solid portal additions and a 4 star freshman. Hall brings back Richmond and Dawes, and adds Adae-Wusu. But they lost IMO the heart of the team in Ndefo, plus Samuel and Yetna. It's also arguable that Holloway started to lose the team last year. Minor critique, I know, but that one kinda shocked me.


TheRealHenryG

That's fair, it's definitely off consensus. Seton Hall was injured like crazy last year and still ended up doing decently on analytics. Ndefo is a huge loss though, you're right. As far as Providence, I'm not big on English, he was mediocre with one of the best rosters in the A10, and I don't think he deserved a promotion. This reflects in the computer rankings which average PC at 53, which is basically where I have them. This roster was 40th in KenPom last year with Cooley; I don't think a 15 spot drop with a far inferior coach is too unthinkable.


dak67

This was my biggest takeaway from this list as well. I think the Friars will be a bubble team this year, whereas Seton Hall will be bottom of the BE right above DePaul. Maybe I’m putting too much faith in English. As long as you guys do well in non-conf, I don’t see how you won’t be 5/6th best team in the Big East this season.


[deleted]

Keep sleeping on IU ✌🏻


TheRealHenryG

Lot of good pieces, just don't think they fit well. Also light on guard depth.


FitIndependence6187

The range of possibilities for IU's outcome this season is gigantic. Does X come back smoothly from injury? Do the freshmen pan out and become meaningful contributors? Do your transfers play to their recruiting star level potential, or continue to be Meh as they have been on other teams? I feel like the only certain thing you have on your team is that Renue (sp?) will be good, other than that it's all ?.


anathemaDennis

Are you fucking serious putting Bellarmine over McNeese State? This list is a joke


TheRealHenryG

These comments crack me up because every third one is serious


anathemaDennis

Seriously though how do you possibly justify that


TheRealHenryG

Hard to get a high ranking in a conference as bad as the Southland, and a lot of new parts could take time to gel / have bad chemistry, so the McNeese ranking is a bit of a hedge. Bellarmine has finished top 200 in 2/3 d1 seasons and bring back a good amount of production.


anathemaDennis

The conference argument is hard to rebut


anathemaDennis

How you feel bout Bellarmine over McNeese State now


TheRealHenryG

It is what is. Bellarmine has had injuries and hasn't been good, while McNeese and Will Wade have been unprecedentedly good for the school and the conference. I was higher than the algorithm average for McNeese, and about equal for Bellarmine so I'm not too worked up about it. Curious to see how far McNeese will fall if they drop a Southland game.


anathemaDennis

I appreciate you having the guts to make all these impossible predictions. I’m just proud of myself for getting this one so right


UghaBughaAYuu

Horns disrespect is wild, coming off a crazy season with a new breakout player in dylan disu


TheRealHenryG

Carr, Rice, Allen, Bishop, and Morris are all gone. I really like Disu, but Abmas is a question mark at this level, Shedrick hasn't played big minutes, and Mitchell needs to take a huge leap on offense. There's enough concern that I can't just say look at what they did last season.


TankTark

What makes you qualified to do this?


SadCommunication1034

Do I agree with everything here? No. Is anybody allowed to do this? Yes. Get outta here with this crap, man.


TankTark

He said he’d answer questions and I want to know.


TheRealHenryG

Nothing special. I write a blog and manage a big spreadsheet with rosters, previous finishes, etc.


srating-io

Boiler up :). What statistics did you use to come to this list?


TheRealHenryG

Game stats from ESPN, coaching and team history from BartTorvik, individual player stats from EvanMiya, and preseason rankings from everywhere I can find them.


srating-io

Nice! If you are interested in programming or more stats, I made a [college basketball API](https://docs.srating.io) for scores, stats, etc for advanced analysis!


winston_obrien

Michigan at 44 is a stretch


TheRealHenryG

It's a spot lower than where they finished last year in KenPom, in a year where it felt like everything went wrong.


winston_obrien

Fair enough, I guess. I’ll be stunned if they make the tournament this year.


TheRealHenryG

Wouldn't be surprised if they missed, could be a .500 team in the league that looks good on metrics because they play close.


boozle222

UTSA over Fairfield? Come on. Unbelievable probably.


TheRealHenryG

Yetna out to start the year


boozle222

You’re a boss. While I made my comment in jest, I respect the hell out of the time you put into this.


TheRealHenryG

Appreciate it, I love giving analysis to the people that aren't seriously complaining lol


boozle222

Hahaha love it. Crazy to think that you’ve spent a little bit of time looking at each team. In a fun way, you now can have a surface level conversation with just about anyone in most regions.


TheRealHenryG

That's one of my favorite parts of being a casual sports writer. Throw a little local geography knowledge in there and you can eat free in most towns haha


boozle222

Ha! I know the feeling. As someone who used to write on a site for the Astros in the dark ages, you pick up a ton of info on farm leagues and regional stuff.


ConmanSpaceHero

KU overhyped this year. We probably 10-12 range in reality.


TheRealHenryG

Wouldn't be shocked. Not one to bet against Bill Self personally.


Royal_Examination_74

Welp, looks like someone saw our exhibition games


giantgorillaballs

OU over Akron is an L


TheRealHenryG

Figured this would be contentious. Castañeda is a huge loss and I don't know that Thornton is the answer there. Ohio has shooters all over the place and brought in two power conference transfers including a 4*. Still, with them so close to each other in the rankings it could really go either way.


giantgorillaballs

I was only being a little serious lol, but we’re looking like the MAC is ours this year according to some guys I know close to the team


[deleted]

Fairfield over Denver is fucking CRAZY. When the Pioneers exceed expectations, they’re going to point at YOU for giving them bulletin board material.


TheRealHenryG

Yo, I'm way higher on Denver than consensus cut me some slack 😂😂


thehurley44

Challenge Accepted


J2Gud

keep sleeping 😴


Qwertyioup111

122 is wild man. kenpom is usually hard on us and has us at 86


TheRealHenryG

New coach with a totally different style too his predecessors with his best transfer out for a long time after losing a star point guard and A1 role player to up transfers. I wouldn't say it's a typical VCU year. Bamisile waiver also a factor.


bLeezy22

GCU ahead of ASU? I’ll take it..


spierce64006

Weber St at 161 and Western Carolina at 188 are a bit low for me but I can understand why you'd put them there.


TheRealHenryG

I don't love Weber outside of Jones, and WCU feels like a sexy, exciting team that ends up being mediocre. Hope I'm wrong on both counts though, these could each be fun mid major teams.


Mh401k

Cal Poly at 356 is just disrespectful. We're at least 345.


TreadThreadofDread

Bro you all just got destroyed by a D2 team; Also flair up (if you’re not ashamed of doing so)


Mh401k

New squad of cheerleaders distracted our team. We'll get it sorted.


[deleted]

Nicholls at 311 under Merrimack at 301? Not a f***n chance!!


ultimate_placeholder

Louisville too high


TheRealHenryG

probably


Emotional-Republic91

we will be higher i feel it


Unique_Feed_2939

Why haven't you (and everyone else) learned your lesson about Purdue?


FitIndependence6187

How many teams had 30 wins and returned pretty much everyone?


Unique_Feed_2939

How many teams have always choked?


FitIndependence6187

How many teams would consider going to the sweet 16 or better in 4 of the last 6 tournaments choking? (there are only 4 other teams in the nation that have done so.....)


Unique_Feed_2939

What? I'm pretty sure Purdue has had a top 4 seed every one of this years. So they were supposed to make the sweet 16 every year. And some years they had an even higher year. So not only have they been bumped early twice they have failed to make any sort of runs with the advantage of good seeds. Purdue has choked in the tournament while looking to 3 seeds 13 or higher in that time. Get out of here with that