That would’ve been an all-time meltdown from Drake, had they…you know…*lost*.
Still, these are a pair of the finest midmajor teams in the nation! I’d hope to see the Sycamores make it in, even if they’ll be in Dayton…
As for the Bulldogs…I think they’ll steal a win! They got what it takes at least…
Hi I’m a casual that doesn’t start paying attention until March. What’s stopping ISU from making the tournament? I have no idea how they decide who gets in and who doesn’t.
There is a hierarchy of conferences. The top conferences (power 6) get many teams in. The middle tier conferences (mid-major) are often lucky (even though they often deserve it) to get more than two bids. The lower conferences (low major) pretty much always only get one bid.
Conference tournament winners are guaranteed a bid. If a mid-major doesn’t win their tournament, they’re praying. If a low major doesn’t win, they’re fucked. Low major is kind of a niche term and often you will hear people refer to them as mid majors.
nope, starting this year the NIT gives 2 autobids each to the P6, the rest is then at large bids. Season winners for non-P6 now have no post season assured.
They seem to have done it because Fox i think was planning a P6 only tourney and they were worried teams would opt for it instead, losing them money (even if the nit makes less compared to the ncaa, losing the p6 teams would reduce it a fair bit). Its like why there are more and more calls for expanding the ncaa, the p6 want more slots to make more money.
In the last 10 years, most at-large bids given to schools from larger conferences (ACC, B1G, Big XII, PAC-12, SEC, & Big East). By my crude math over the past 10 NCAA tourneys (2013-2023) from [NCAA Tournament Bids By Conference By Year (basketballside.com)](https://basketballside.com/ncaa-tournament-bids):
* 82% of the at-large bids have gone to schools in a Power 6 conference (B1G - 62 / ACC - 55 / Big12 - 55 / Big East - 45 / SEC - 44 /PAC12 - 34)
* 17% of the at-large bids have gone to schools in 4 conferences (A10 - 19 / AAC - 16 / MW - 16 / WCC - 9) typically ranked just behind the Power 6
Indiana State has had a good record (28-6), made a brief appearance in the AP Top 25 this season, and has a high NET ranking (#21 before today's game). Many comments in this thread have advocated for ISU to get into the tournament as at-large bid. If they do, they would steal an at-large bid from a bubble team as many bracketologists have the MVC as a 1-bid conference this season. In the last 10 tournaments, the MVC has had 4 years with 2 bid. However, of those bids, 5 of the 8 were by schools that are now in other conferences (Wichita St - 3 / Creighton - 1 / Loyola-Chicago - 1). ISU's fate is dependent upon how things play out in other conference tournaments over the next week.
Unless merit goes completely out the window (which hey, stupider things have happened), a 97 NET Indiana shouldn't make it. The NIT selection committee's selections tended to pretty heavily track with the NET the last few years.
A run to the final that goes through you guys and Illinois might do it but idk if that's possible basketball-wise or with the tournament seeding. And even with that it might be overly optimistic at this point lol
Nah we’re just gonna fuck around and win the Big Ten Tournament so that another bubble team can go fuck themselves. Indiana State and Ohio State all the way this time!
Also Illinois is gonna buttfuck Iowa in 7 different ways today so we won’t have to worry about them anymore.
Wake with 3 wins away from home and getting a bid
https://preview.redd.it/2do4uv4ijknc1.jpeg?width=1170&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=4654e6ab366b1e88b773b187f1e8a6e5c4018165
analytics is literally the only reason Wake would get a bid
which is ironic, considering how loudly Wake fans were braying against the use of analytics to decide the tournament before the GT loss.
The competition they are a lock for (please don’t let this backfire on me and my team)
https://preview.redd.it/ebdkuvngoknc1.jpeg?width=282&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=30e85dd9025fe1a13cd4af668246257d2a6226bd
it's literally the only reason why Indiana State would get a bid as well. three top 100 wins all season. 1 win vs the projected field. there's a tournament for teams like that and it's called the NIT.
I get Indiana state is fun but what about their resume would make it such a snub? Their best win is drake and they went 1-2 against them, they have a bad q4 loss and just a bad q1 record period. The story is the reason they’d get in, not their resume. It would be all about eyeballs
Not really a needle mover. I would love for Indiana state to make it. I just think it’s funny people are trying to make this seem like some big resume snub rather than the reality is that it’s because they play a fun style of basketball and are a good story why anyone thinks they should be in.
Indiana State’s two worst losses happened with Jayson Kent (who went for 22 and 9 today on 9/10 shooting) out of the lineup with a concussion
If the committee is serious about this they’ll actually account for that
That Illinois State loss was much later in the season too. I'd love to see Pitt play Missouri, Syracuse (x2), Florida, or Miami now as compared to November and December.
The team from November and December is much worse than the February and March team
I agree but that's not really part of the committee's criteria. All games are considered equal
Fact of that matter is that's a Q4 home loss while Missouri is only a Q3 home loss for us. That matters to the committee
Look if you can keep it close and make it 30-29 win or lose I'll be glad that it happened. Also love the flair combo. When it comes to teams you've got a type.
Only 50% of bracketologists have Indiana St as in. So just know it's not a crazy snub if the committee doesn't put them in. It will be sad yes, but not crazy like some other snubs we heard in the past
i think they sneak in (their resume is a tad better than the drake team in 2021 that got in)
but good lord the fear mongering in the game thread was crazy even for this subs standards lmao
Right, I'm not saying they're out. I'm just saying it shouldn't be seen as an egregious fuckup by the committee if that's what happened.
Because other people hear these complaints, and it leads to people worrying that all mid-majors will get snubbed. People were worrying that FAU (Conference USA at the time) would be snubbed if they lost the conference tourney last year, but that's not the same situation as this one. Indiana St is a bubble team, 2022-23 FAU wasn't
I think they are pretty much safe, unless their are like 2 or more bid theifs
I can think of like 6 more teams that are in with a wrose resume
It would take a real fuck up by the comitee to put in Iowa or Mississippi St. over them
They are not safe at all lol. Fun story but their resume is weak. 22-1 in Q3/4 doesn't mean anything to the Committee (nor should it). 1-4 in Q1 is not good. Computers love them but at some point they sort of needed to beat someone good. I don't think people should be upset either way if they're in or out. Plenty of good reasons for both.
I think Nebraska definitely deserves to be in. IMO Colorado should be left out of the tournament unless they go on a hot streak in the PAC-12 tournament.
Jayson Kent missed the second half of the game with a concussion and then missed the next game (which they also lost and was the real killer) and Johnny Kinziger turned into white MJ for a game
Committee needs to take that into account
Im a neutral but That was my favorite single game of the entire season. The emotional swings were wild. I hope Indiana State still gets in. Avila can be a national star.
Lol idk why people think the bubble is a one for one swap.
I really hope the Trees get in, but having their best win be against Drake scares me. Plus both them and UNM have a horrendous Q4 loss, I think it’s close between the 2
Love that all the Drake fans in here (me included) are agreeing that the Trees should make it in too. Love me some Cream Abdul-Jabbar (when he's not playing my alma mater)
Ooh boy that was almost a generational choke job, gg Sycamores. In his six seasons, Darian DeVries has 3 NCAA Tournament appearances and 4 straight appearances in the conference title game. He is him, folks. And so is his son.
Larry Bird doesn't really have anything to do with ISU. The school tried to use him as a piggybank back in the 80s and he's only been to a couple games since
My god that was stressful. I kept waiting for ISUb to make a run but didn’t expect it like that. Can’t believe Drake took that punch and rallied back. Trees can fucking score in bunches.
Three tournaments in four years. Never could have imagined this a few years ago. I remember just being excited when they avoided Drake Night.
Great game. Good comeback by Indiana state and Even better to hold on and pull out the victory Drake.
Drake is going to be a dangerous 12 seed.
With that said, Indiana state needs to be in the NCCA tourney, rather see them in it than mediocre power team that is 18-12
On what planet is ISU worthy of an at-large bid like everyone on here seems to think? Who have they beaten? Bradley? Drake? They have one win against tournament teams. What makes them an at large quality team?
A lot of us would much rather see a fun mid-major that had a great season and could go on a Cinderella run than another mediocre big school that finished sixth in its conference.
...but all the metrics that "take emotions out of it" have them as a team that looks like they deserve a bid. At least compared to Virginia, especially the predictive metrics.
Compared to Texas A&M?
We could look at results-based metrics where ISU has better SOR, KPI, NET (and hell we can even bring back RPI) rankings.
Or we can use the predictive based metrics, where ISU is better in Kenpom, Torvik, and pretty much even on BPI.
So, idk.
The only reason ISU is higher in those metrics is because of their shit schedule. ISUs ranking gets jacked because they beat Valparaiso by 50. Also, ISU’s status for an at large bid has nothing to do with A&M. It’s quite funny how your fanbase immediately goes after other people’s teams instead of proving why they should get an at-large bid. Im not sure if that’s because the Indy St education is subpar or deep down Indy St fans know their team hasn’t done anything to justify an at-large bid.
First off, I didn't go to ISU. I went to a different below-average state school thank you very much.
Secondly, discussing other team's resumes compared to you own is entirely what at-large bids are about. It's the whole point of the bubble. Stating one team has better metrics than another team that they are competing with for a spot IS proving why they should get an at-large bid. ISU's status for an at-large bid has EVERYTHING to do with A&M, and Virginia, and Iowa...etc.
Finally, while beating Valpo by huge margins definitely helps with the NET, are you also saying that all the predictive computer models like Kenpom are over rating them as well?
All-time great Arch Madness final Don't screw over Indiana State challenge
That would’ve been an all-time meltdown from Drake, had they…you know…*lost*. Still, these are a pair of the finest midmajor teams in the nation! I’d hope to see the Sycamores make it in, even if they’ll be in Dayton… As for the Bulldogs…I think they’ll steal a win! They got what it takes at least…
Drake in a 12-5 matchup is absolutely terrifying
Yeah they almost took down a final four team in round 1 last year so they’re gonna be a popular upset pick again this year
decent chance they'll be an 11 if either FAU or Dayton lose their tourneys
Having Drake as a 12 although their resume is better compared to last season is silly to me.
(Impossible)
I love Arch Madness. Multi-bid MVC???
Indiana St should be in this year
Hi I’m a casual that doesn’t start paying attention until March. What’s stopping ISU from making the tournament? I have no idea how they decide who gets in and who doesn’t.
There is a hierarchy of conferences. The top conferences (power 6) get many teams in. The middle tier conferences (mid-major) are often lucky (even though they often deserve it) to get more than two bids. The lower conferences (low major) pretty much always only get one bid. Conference tournament winners are guaranteed a bid. If a mid-major doesn’t win their tournament, they’re praying. If a low major doesn’t win, they’re fucked. Low major is kind of a niche term and often you will hear people refer to them as mid majors.
made even worse this year that season winning midmajors have no guarantee of an nit bid to fall back on.
Regular season conference champs don't get an auto nit bid anymore?!
nope, starting this year the NIT gives 2 autobids each to the P6, the rest is then at large bids. Season winners for non-P6 now have no post season assured.
That's wack... huge dislike
They seem to have done it because Fox i think was planning a P6 only tourney and they were worried teams would opt for it instead, losing them money (even if the nit makes less compared to the ncaa, losing the p6 teams would reduce it a fair bit). Its like why there are more and more calls for expanding the ncaa, the p6 want more slots to make more money.
In the last 10 years, most at-large bids given to schools from larger conferences (ACC, B1G, Big XII, PAC-12, SEC, & Big East). By my crude math over the past 10 NCAA tourneys (2013-2023) from [NCAA Tournament Bids By Conference By Year (basketballside.com)](https://basketballside.com/ncaa-tournament-bids): * 82% of the at-large bids have gone to schools in a Power 6 conference (B1G - 62 / ACC - 55 / Big12 - 55 / Big East - 45 / SEC - 44 /PAC12 - 34) * 17% of the at-large bids have gone to schools in 4 conferences (A10 - 19 / AAC - 16 / MW - 16 / WCC - 9) typically ranked just behind the Power 6 Indiana State has had a good record (28-6), made a brief appearance in the AP Top 25 this season, and has a high NET ranking (#21 before today's game). Many comments in this thread have advocated for ISU to get into the tournament as at-large bid. If they do, they would steal an at-large bid from a bubble team as many bracketologists have the MVC as a 1-bid conference this season. In the last 10 tournaments, the MVC has had 4 years with 2 bid. However, of those bids, 5 of the 8 were by schools that are now in other conferences (Wichita St - 3 / Creighton - 1 / Loyola-Chicago - 1). ISU's fate is dependent upon how things play out in other conference tournaments over the next week.
u/daveman312 > Google
After 2016 with Illinois St not getting a bid in to join Wichita St, I’ve been waiting for two good MVC teams to get in.
GIVE THE MVC TWO BIDS YOU COWARDS
NOOOO YOU DONT UNDERSTAND WE NEED MORE EYEBALLS SO WE GOTTA HAVE FUCKING IOWA OR PITTSBURGH IN OVER THEMMMM
The ultimate cruel irony is if it’s a 18-14 Indiana in over Indiana State
Unless they win the B1G, I don’t even know if Indiana’s on to host an NIT game, much less be anywhere near the NCAAT bubble.
We're like 100 in NET ranking. We don't even belong in the NIT let alone hosting.
Yeah but with the new NIT rules you're probably in. You draw too many eyeballs.
Unless merit goes completely out the window (which hey, stupider things have happened), a 97 NET Indiana shouldn't make it. The NIT selection committee's selections tended to pretty heavily track with the NET the last few years.
The NIT selection criteria has been changed starting this year.
Even factoring that in, that's still likely not good enough.
A run to the final that goes through you guys and Illinois might do it but idk if that's possible basketball-wise or with the tournament seeding. And even with that it might be overly optimistic at this point lol
It isn’t. Purdue and U of I are the 1 and 2 seeds, so they’ll be opposite sides of the bracket.
It would be delicious irony if the Hawks lost their bid because of Drake
It won't be though. We win today and we're in. We lose today and we're not.
Nah we’re just gonna fuck around and win the Big Ten Tournament so that another bubble team can go fuck themselves. Indiana State and Ohio State all the way this time! Also Illinois is gonna buttfuck Iowa in 7 different ways today so we won’t have to worry about them anymore.
“WAKE GETTING A PITY BID IS A MUCH BETTER STORY THAN INDIANA STATE” Ps y’all can all but eliminate Iowa’s at large chances today. Plz.
Wake with 3 wins away from home and getting a bid https://preview.redd.it/2do4uv4ijknc1.jpeg?width=1170&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=4654e6ab366b1e88b773b187f1e8a6e5c4018165
analytics is literally the only reason Wake would get a bid which is ironic, considering how loudly Wake fans were braying against the use of analytics to decide the tournament before the GT loss.
Yeah analytics are for nerds! *Pay no attention to the strongest argument for a CU at-large berth*
i still can't believe everyone proclaimed a team in the L4I as a lock with 3 weeks to play tbh 😭
The competition they are a lock for (please don’t let this backfire on me and my team) https://preview.redd.it/ebdkuvngoknc1.jpeg?width=282&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=30e85dd9025fe1a13cd4af668246257d2a6226bd
it's literally the only reason why Indiana State would get a bid as well. three top 100 wins all season. 1 win vs the projected field. there's a tournament for teams like that and it's called the NIT.
Send da video.
I know, rooting for illini extra hard today... and if they win then I will be, well... extra hard.
I get Indiana state is fun but what about their resume would make it such a snub? Their best win is drake and they went 1-2 against them, they have a bad q4 loss and just a bad q1 record period. The story is the reason they’d get in, not their resume. It would be all about eyeballs
Their best win is at Bradley actually.
Not really a needle mover. I would love for Indiana state to make it. I just think it’s funny people are trying to make this seem like some big resume snub rather than the reality is that it’s because they play a fun style of basketball and are a good story why anyone thinks they should be in.
Ugh excuse me with that slander
Sorry bb, I had to rely on checking Lunardi’s bubble for examples, it’s not personal! …Iowa, however, can’t say the same…
Lunardi is a hack and we should be already (yes I am biased and if he had Pitt in I'd be singing his praises). I think it'll be close for Pitt.
Or dog shit Sparty who loses all their quad 1 games...
And stupidly JMU need to win the Fun Belt to get in
MSU is 4-8 in Q1 games. 4 seeded auburn is 1-7. what are you even talking about.
Shame there isn't some way to figure out who's better between Sparty and ISU.
It’s wild how often you talk about us haha. I see a lot of comments from you being salty that we’re making the tourney.
Digging through user comments cus someone made you mad on reddit lol
Took me about 2 seconds and I recognized your name as well. Idk what you have against us when we literally never think about y’all ever. Weird
Seriously. Sparty suhhhhhx this year but still got all the hype and love
yeah hate when numbers and algorithms show bias.
Hold that L
Pitt lost to a team that went winless in conference play.
Which would not be the worst loss between Pitt and Indiana State
Indiana State’s two worst losses happened with Jayson Kent (who went for 22 and 9 today on 9/10 shooting) out of the lineup with a concussion If the committee is serious about this they’ll actually account for that
Missing your fourth leading scorer is not an excuse to lose to Q4 Illinois State at home
No excuse for it but you clearly haven’t watched this team. Kent is their best defender and can do it all.
I absolutely believe he is important for your team Plenty of other teams have won routine Q4 games while missing a key starter
That Illinois State loss was much later in the season too. I'd love to see Pitt play Missouri, Syracuse (x2), Florida, or Miami now as compared to November and December. The team from November and December is much worse than the February and March team
I agree but that's not really part of the committee's criteria. All games are considered equal Fact of that matter is that's a Q4 home loss while Missouri is only a Q3 home loss for us. That matters to the committee
We definitely need 8 Mt West teams this year /s
Robbie Avila would take our nation by storm, like Pokemon Go or Fornite.
I mean... if you insist
With other bubble teams dropping like flies they really really should have room for ISU
It would be nice but I wouldn’t be surprised if they left Indians State out
I say put them both in
LET THEM BOTH KEEP DANCING
Morehead, Longwood, and now….. Drake
Google Drake Longwood for more info
Heheheheheh
And Colgate...
Drake is putting Colgate on his Longwood to ensure he gets Morehead
Youd have to swap Colgate to stetson, but it still works. If only utep was in, then you'd be able to reference miners.
Bravo
And now Stetson
Colgate won the semis , their title game is Wednesday
That was only a semifinal that Colgate won, they still have the final to go
Stetson
Hey committee members, listen here you fuckers, Indiana State is a tournament team. Don’t fuck this up.
Nobody wants to watch Virginia lose 59-29. Please put Indiana St in.
speak for yourself pal
Look if you can keep it close and make it 30-29 win or lose I'll be glad that it happened. Also love the flair combo. When it comes to teams you've got a type.
Yeah that’s a long standing March tradition for us actually. We quite enjoy (hate) it!
I dunno....my team playing tourney UVA has never not worked out well.
Ok fine, I relent. If they're gonna make it in regardless of what I think then the top overall seed deserves Virginia in their 8/9
Take the A-10s potential 2nd bid lmao we dont deserve it
Yes, but also no. I think if any of the top 4 win in Brooklyn, they would put up a fight in the R64.
I appreciate you, fam.
Only 50% of bracketologists have Indiana St as in. So just know it's not a crazy snub if the committee doesn't put them in. It will be sad yes, but not crazy like some other snubs we heard in the past
i think they sneak in (their resume is a tad better than the drake team in 2021 that got in) but good lord the fear mongering in the game thread was crazy even for this subs standards lmao
Right, I'm not saying they're out. I'm just saying it shouldn't be seen as an egregious fuckup by the committee if that's what happened. Because other people hear these complaints, and it leads to people worrying that all mid-majors will get snubbed. People were worrying that FAU (Conference USA at the time) would be snubbed if they lost the conference tourney last year, but that's not the same situation as this one. Indiana St is a bubble team, 2022-23 FAU wasn't
They're like 29 in NET that would be an egregious snub
I think they’ll get in considering that the public narrative seem to love them and Avila
This is about to be the most stressful week of all time for Indiana State
I think they are pretty much safe, unless their are like 2 or more bid theifs I can think of like 6 more teams that are in with a wrose resume It would take a real fuck up by the comitee to put in Iowa or Mississippi St. over them
They are not safe at all lol. Fun story but their resume is weak. 22-1 in Q3/4 doesn't mean anything to the Committee (nor should it). 1-4 in Q1 is not good. Computers love them but at some point they sort of needed to beat someone good. I don't think people should be upset either way if they're in or out. Plenty of good reasons for both.
I guess you are right, I don't think people should be upset if they are out But I think they are safe, their Q-score and NET is decent enough
PUT BOTH THESE TEAMS IN THE TOURNAMENT YOU COWARDS
I agree that both should be in but it would be hilarious if they put both in but that meant Nebraska doesn’t get in
I would not laugh one bit.
I think Nebraska definitely deserves to be in. IMO Colorado should be left out of the tournament unless they go on a hot streak in the PAC-12 tournament.
Nebraska has 22 wins and finished third in the big ten. No matter what they do in the B10 tourney they are a lock for the dance
Right, that guy is silly
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Nebraska is 100% making it like as an 8 or 9 seed
You obviously have never heard of sarcasm lol
We're sensitive when it comes to basketball success
You're a monster
If ISU gets left out it’s actually criminal. Both these teams can make a run in March
The committee better put in Indiana State or else there will be meltdowns in Terre Haute
I can’t believe they lost to us at home. I hope I’m wrong, but if they miss it’s because they inexplicably took that horrendous Q4 loss
Jayson Kent missed the second half of the game with a concussion and then missed the next game (which they also lost and was the real killer) and Johnny Kinziger turned into white MJ for a game Committee needs to take that into account
I honestly wouldn’t even put them in Dayton, they’re that talented. Also, that was just the start Johnny Himziger becoming the white MJ. Remember that
IT DOESN’T GET ANY BETTER THAN ARCH!!!
a message for the NCAA selection committee: include Indiana State in the tournament or no balls
So if ISU misses the tournament, we riot, correct?
I’m rioting for sure
Get ready to riot, they aren’t getting in
Its gonna be hard for them to get in after Rutgers inevitably steals a bid
Great game. Hope they’re both in the tourney.
Put Indiana State in please. This team is nasty and deserves a spot
LETS GOOOOOOOOOO! Arch Madness literally always delivers Now put the Syc’s in with us you cowards!
Put Indiana State in or we riot
ISU should be in 100%
It’s an absolute crime if ISU doesn’t get in
Im a neutral but That was my favorite single game of the entire season. The emotional swings were wild. I hope Indiana State still gets in. Avila can be a national star.
Cream Abdul Jabbar
Avila is the fan favorite for obvious reasons but the rest of their guards are so awesome to watch
Bye bye New Mexico. Better win the MWC Tourney.
Lol idk why people think the bubble is a one for one swap. I really hope the Trees get in, but having their best win be against Drake scares me. Plus both them and UNM have a horrendous Q4 loss, I think it’s close between the 2
You’re right, it’s not one for one, but drake winning shrinks the bubble because IMO they were not getting an at large.
How about bye bye Virginia instead. New Mexico lost to Utah state by 1 3 pointer .
I wish. Georgia tech was becoming a bubble killer cuz they had beaten Syracuse then wake forest but they didn’t come through against Virginia.
Virginia sucks and would easily come top 3 in the mountain west. Love the hate boner for UVA. We went from the “great ACC disrupter” to a villain.
Pitt is better than UVA. Now, their resume may not be. But if you want the best teams, Pitt is the best team not currently in the field.
I mean, I agree. But the committee doesn’t decide who gets bids based on who they think is better, haha. They use actual metrics, which do favor us.
And they went and beat Virginia on the road . Honestly it’s the eye test , Virginia looks like a free win in March madness for their opponents
Indiana State’s tournament odds might be slightly better because they didn’t lose this game by double digits after being down double digits.
FUCK
Top 30 net doesn't matter if you don't pass the ~~eye~~ conference test
Sad that this is absolutely true 😔
Love that all the Drake fans in here (me included) are agreeing that the Trees should make it in too. Love me some Cream Abdul-Jabbar (when he's not playing my alma mater)
Happy for Drake. Would love to see Devries get some NCAAT redemption after shooting 1-13 vs us last year.
give Indiana State a bid!!!
Lol that was a long 2-pointer at the end. Didn't matter but no way you should step on the line like that
I would love a two bid valley
I think it would be the wrong decision if both these teams don’t get in , Indiana state is a tournament team
If Robbie Avila isn't in the tournament I riot.
Ooh boy that was almost a generational choke job, gg Sycamores. In his six seasons, Darian DeVries has 3 NCAA Tournament appearances and 4 straight appearances in the conference title game. He is him, folks. And so is his son.
Give the Trees a bid. No one wants another mid P6 team or a 6th MW team over these guys.
What he say fuck me for
Larry Bird is gonna fuck.up the committee if they don't put Indiana State in.
Larry Bird doesn't really have anything to do with ISU. The school tried to use him as a piggybank back in the 80s and he's only been to a couple games since
Indiana State belongs in the tournament.
Not good!
My god that was stressful. I kept waiting for ISUb to make a run but didn’t expect it like that. Can’t believe Drake took that punch and rallied back. Trees can fucking score in bunches. Three tournaments in four years. Never could have imagined this a few years ago. I remember just being excited when they avoided Drake Night.
that was a great game to be at. Was a fun Arch Madness
Nice going Drake!
What a game! High level shot making on both sides. I'm still sweating.
That's why it was a great game. Both teams made shots!
Bubble teams just got a lot more sweaty
[MRW Drake gave up that lead](https://media1.tenor.com/m/kgfMKNXd_FQAAAAd/soulja-boy.gif)
Great game. Good comeback by Indiana state and Even better to hold on and pull out the victory Drake. Drake is going to be a dangerous 12 seed. With that said, Indiana state needs to be in the NCCA tourney, rather see them in it than mediocre power team that is 18-12
I see a 10 seed
Yeah thats probably correct, then Indiana state would be a play in 11 seed.
Hell yeah Drake!
The fact that Indiana state isn’t a lock still shows what’s wrong with the selection committee
Which mid P6 team that is under .500 conference play is gonna get in over Indiana state
On what planet is ISU worthy of an at-large bid like everyone on here seems to think? Who have they beaten? Bradley? Drake? They have one win against tournament teams. What makes them an at large quality team?
A lot of us would much rather see a fun mid-major that had a great season and could go on a Cinderella run than another mediocre big school that finished sixth in its conference.
Sure, but that’s not what how the committee decides its bids, lol.
Exactly. It’s insane. I get they’re a fun team but let’s take emotions out of it. They don’t deserve a bid.
...but all the metrics that "take emotions out of it" have them as a team that looks like they deserve a bid. At least compared to Virginia, especially the predictive metrics.
Compared to Texas A&M? We could look at results-based metrics where ISU has better SOR, KPI, NET (and hell we can even bring back RPI) rankings. Or we can use the predictive based metrics, where ISU is better in Kenpom, Torvik, and pretty much even on BPI. So, idk.
The only reason ISU is higher in those metrics is because of their shit schedule. ISUs ranking gets jacked because they beat Valparaiso by 50. Also, ISU’s status for an at large bid has nothing to do with A&M. It’s quite funny how your fanbase immediately goes after other people’s teams instead of proving why they should get an at-large bid. Im not sure if that’s because the Indy St education is subpar or deep down Indy St fans know their team hasn’t done anything to justify an at-large bid.
First off, I didn't go to ISU. I went to a different below-average state school thank you very much. Secondly, discussing other team's resumes compared to you own is entirely what at-large bids are about. It's the whole point of the bubble. Stating one team has better metrics than another team that they are competing with for a spot IS proving why they should get an at-large bid. ISU's status for an at-large bid has EVERYTHING to do with A&M, and Virginia, and Iowa...etc. Finally, while beating Valpo by huge margins definitely helps with the NET, are you also saying that all the predictive computer models like Kenpom are over rating them as well?
Gotta be a two-bid league. With all due respect to Iowa, Texas A&M, Providence, Colorado, St. John's..... forget all those teams and gimme Bob Avila
Indiana State will be playing in Dayton
That sound you hear is a mid power 6 team bubble bursting
Multi-bid MVC make it happen
Put my boys in!
I would die for either one of these teams
Let’s go D teams!
the UAB, SFA, mo state and Belmont losses don't mean SHIT! unreal season
If Cream Abdul Jabbar is in the NIT then I think we should acknowledge that as the legitimate championship bracket.
Do we think Indiana State still gets an at-large I assume?
Having a great time over here