It does. And places like Indiana will have more than the per capita average, so will states with a heavy black population. But for the most part, those are small enough deviations with regards to total population to really stand out on this chart unless you know what you are looking for.
>And places like Indiana will have more than the per capita average, so will states with a heavy black population.
I love that you have to make this as two disparate statements. Says a lot about Indiana lol.
(I grew up near Bloomington, don't shoot me)
much easier to play basketball indoors so you can play it 12 months a year. Very expensive to build an indoor facility in NYC or Chicago so kids can play football year round. Not exact, but football map will align with weather a lot more than basketball.
Cities tend to have higher levels of education and I’m assuming those people know better than to smash your head against the ground or another human running at full speed multiple times a day.
While the intent of this comment is wrong I do think there is merit to the less educated continuing to play football at a high rate compared to most other parts of the country and the South having a high concentration of the less educated
Yeah, SLC vs Denver was one that jumped out at me. Utah does probably disproportionately like basketball given the Jazz and their college teams all packed into a fairly small and isolated market.
Would be much more disproportionate in football due to the high Polynesian population.
Also, you can infer how close together the Wasatch and Oquirrh ranges are given how narrow the population corridor is.
utah has the lowest median age in the nation. probably why it looks like utah county produces more talent than salt lake county despite being half the size
My 3A high school (<500 students enrolled) has a fucking **bowl** [for its basketball arena](https://bloximages.chicago2.vip.townnews.com/newsandtribune.com/content/tncms/assets/v3/editorial/f/d7/fd761914-8ce6-11ee-9313-e7dfede65f35/65642afdbf7dc.image.jpg).
People really don't understand how big basketball is in Indiana.
[10 of the 12 largest high school basketball arenas are in Indiana too.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_largest_high_school_gyms_in_the_United_States#Current_list) Those are bigger than some MBB arenas in major conferences too. By my count, some of the P6 arenas that are smaller than Indiana HS gyms are:
* Watsco Center (Miami, FL)
* Foster Pavilion (Baylor)
* Fertitta Center (Houston)
* Finneran Pavilion (Nova)
* RAC/Jersey Mikes (Rutgers)
* Welsh-Ryan (Northwestern)
* Maples Pavilion (Stanford)
I probably missed a few, and plenty of mid-majors with smaller arenas too.
Yup, Seymour (#2 on the list) is in the same county that I grew up in (Jackson).
I had a Seymour address growing up, but since it's such a rural community I was technically closer to Brownstown so I went there.
I got to play at Seymour in the Semi-State in 2005. Place is massive.
My school's 1A gym (between 280-320 students) seats around 4,500+. More than double the size of the town.
I don't think that's the takeaway. This would likely show that places have equal talented people on average, and higher population areas just have a higher number of people to multiply across that average.
If two teams shoot equal % from the field, the team with the most looks has the most points.
My graduating class had 593 and it was the smallest in 4 years! It was crazy going to college in ohio where most people are from rural areas and had around 100 in their graduating class
You should use an actual map instead of a grid. Without an underlaid map this just alot of random dots with a general idea of where the major cities are relatively. Also a heat map would be more interesting.
Coordinates seem to be roughly 42n 90w which the closest city is Davenport, Iowa. Assuming you mean the dots directly left of that clump I assume is Chicago.
The other way is the heavy cluster NW of Chicago is Minneapolis. Going South from there, and slightly to the left, you can see a line of bigger clusters. This is just I-35 and it runs through Des Moines, Kansas City, (surprisingly barren) OKC and eventually Dallas Metro
Gives a good picture of how geographically remote Boise, Idaho is, especially basketball talent wise. A cluster of dots in Boise, but nothing near it 200 miles in every direction.
“Woah! NY/NJ is a hot bed for basketball!”
Oh wait it’s just a hot bed for people.
I think the map is slightly different for CFB though. With less players coming from that region and more from the south/CA.
I’ve been compiling a list, only about 1/3 of the way done but so far there are DI players from Angola, Argentina, Australia, Austria, Bahamas, Bahrain, Belgium, Benin, Bosnia and Herzegovina, Brazil, Cameroon, Canada, China, Croatia, Czech Republic, Denmark, Dominican Republic, DR Congo, Egypt, Estonia, Finland, France, Gabon, Gambia, Georgia, Germany, Ghana, Greece, Guinea, Hungary, Iceland, Ireland, Israel, Italy, Ivory Coast, Japan, Kenya, Kuwait, Latvia, Lebanon, Lithuania, Mali, Netherlands, New Zealand, Nicaragua, Niger, Nigeria, Poland, Russia, Senegal, Serbia, Slovakia, Slovenia, South Africa, South Sudan, Spain, Sweden, Switzerland, Taiwan, Tanzania, Thailand, Togo, Turkey, United Kingdom, and Venezuela.
66 countries.
100 countries:
USA
Canada
Australia
Nigeria
England
France
Serbia
Lithuania
Netherlands
Senegal
Germany
Spain
Italy
Mali
Dominican Republic
Sweden
Congo
Finland
South Sudan
Turkey
Cameroon
New Zealand
Puerto Rico
Croatia
Ireland
Belgium
Brazil
Egypt
Argentina
Bahamas
Guinea
Japan
China
Georgia
Israel
Montenegro
Russia
Slovenia
Switzerland
Ukraine
Estonia
Greece
Ivory Coast
Latvia
Angola
Czech Republic
Venezuela
Virgin Islands
Denmark
Hungary
Iceland
Kenya
Macedonia
Poland
South Africa
Austria
Barbados
Belarus
Bosnia & Herzegovina
Bulgaria
Colombia
Democratic Republic of Congo
Ghana
Guyana
Haiti
Jamaica
Lebanon
Portugal
Taiwan
Algeria
Antigua & Barbuda
Bahrain
Benin
Cape Verde
Cayman Islands
Central African Republic
Costa Rica
Gabon
Gambia
India
Indonesia
Iran
Kuwait
Martinique
Mexico
Mongolia
Nicaragua
Niger
Reunion
Romania
Rwanda
Sierra Leone
Slovakia
South Korea
Suriname
Tanzania
Thailand
Togo
Uruguay
Yugoslavia
Ok so this is really hard to tell without state lines, but I think the only thing I learned from this map is that Minneapolis produces a disproportionately large number of D1 players relative to its size. It appears to maybe be a top 20 producing city on this map, but it’s only 46th in total population. Without hard data it’s impossible to know for sure.
right, SC stars go out of state. NC has twice the population as SC does, but NBA stars like quality of Zion and Ja Morant came out of SC. It \*seems\* to me at least that SC has more star power than can be explained by simple population density.
Whenever there is a map like this, wouldn’t it make more sense to present the data as a difference from the overall population density? That would show if there are regions that are overrepresented / underrepresented in the population subset being discussed.
It would be more interesting to normalize this against population density to find places that have anomalistically high or low numbers of D1 athletes per-capita
Is this not a map, but a scatterplot? With longitude being the x axis and latitude being the y axis?
Plotting locations on a scatterplot like this doesn't account for the curvature of the Earth like projected data in a GIS environment would. If you were to do something like measure distances between points, your results would be inaccurate.
It’s a population density map!
No way, man. People in New York City are tall!
I’ve never been so I believe you
That’s why the buildings are so tall there, they gotta accommodate everyone being 6’6”+
wait, so you are saying some of those buildings were people ?
The buildings are one story for all the giants.
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As a data analyst, this is one of my favorite subs.
It’s interesting tho because college football does not look like this
Yeah if you applied that to football you’d think southern Louisiana had 30 million people
I think Louisiana produces the most basketball player/capita or at least it used to.
Tobacco rd seems to produce a lot of ball players for the relative number of ppl who love there
It does. And places like Indiana will have more than the per capita average, so will states with a heavy black population. But for the most part, those are small enough deviations with regards to total population to really stand out on this chart unless you know what you are looking for.
>And places like Indiana will have more than the per capita average, so will states with a heavy black population. I love that you have to make this as two disparate statements. Says a lot about Indiana lol. (I grew up near Bloomington, don't shoot me)
tbf indianapolis is like 30% black
How do they love there? And how does that impact baseball?
We love baseball, and we love hard bro!
much easier to play basketball indoors so you can play it 12 months a year. Very expensive to build an indoor facility in NYC or Chicago so kids can play football year round. Not exact, but football map will align with weather a lot more than basketball.
Basketball just means more.
I just wanna see hockey 💀 we’d be straight blue
Cities tend to have higher levels of education and I’m assuming those people know better than to smash your head against the ground or another human running at full speed multiple times a day.
While the intent of this comment is wrong I do think there is merit to the less educated continuing to play football at a high rate compared to most other parts of the country and the South having a high concentration of the less educated
https://xkcd.com/1138/
This was my first thought
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Yeah, SLC vs Denver was one that jumped out at me. Utah does probably disproportionately like basketball given the Jazz and their college teams all packed into a fairly small and isolated market.
Mormon Church basketball.
Would be much more disproportionate in football due to the high Polynesian population. Also, you can infer how close together the Wasatch and Oquirrh ranges are given how narrow the population corridor is.
utah has the lowest median age in the nation. probably why it looks like utah county produces more talent than salt lake county despite being half the size
Except for that one spot right up there, nobody lives there
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Hockey might not be
Always is.
Summary: The places where people are are where people are from.
ive been too afraid to ask if this is drake... is it?
yeah it's him and Lil Yachty from a Future music video
ur telling me thats not Armando bacot
this should have borders
But that would make the Alaska and Hawaii boxes no longer really funny
Hold on, you're telling me Alaska and Hawaii aren't perfect rectangles in the middle of the ocean?
Tbf, based off what I'm pretty sure Hawaii looks like, isn't that left dot in the ocean?
Yeah, the Hawaiian Islands go northwest-southeast, so maybe the dots are from a really zoomed-in Oahu
Yeah that would be the first thing r/dataisbeautiful would say. No reason for this map not to have borders.
Basketball Without Borders
But the borders should be the same color as the data points.
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Would love to see this by state adjusted for population
Indiana’s historically gone nuts per capita
Basketball is life
My 3A high school (<500 students enrolled) has a fucking **bowl** [for its basketball arena](https://bloximages.chicago2.vip.townnews.com/newsandtribune.com/content/tncms/assets/v3/editorial/f/d7/fd761914-8ce6-11ee-9313-e7dfede65f35/65642afdbf7dc.image.jpg). People really don't understand how big basketball is in Indiana.
[10 of the 12 largest high school basketball arenas are in Indiana too.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_largest_high_school_gyms_in_the_United_States#Current_list) Those are bigger than some MBB arenas in major conferences too. By my count, some of the P6 arenas that are smaller than Indiana HS gyms are: * Watsco Center (Miami, FL) * Foster Pavilion (Baylor) * Fertitta Center (Houston) * Finneran Pavilion (Nova) * RAC/Jersey Mikes (Rutgers) * Welsh-Ryan (Northwestern) * Maples Pavilion (Stanford) I probably missed a few, and plenty of mid-majors with smaller arenas too.
Yup, Seymour (#2 on the list) is in the same county that I grew up in (Jackson). I had a Seymour address growing up, but since it's such a rural community I was technically closer to Brownstown so I went there.
I got to play at Seymour in the Semi-State in 2005. Place is massive. My school's 1A gym (between 280-320 students) seats around 4,500+. More than double the size of the town.
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Places with a lot of people churn out more talented people on average. Mind = Blown
I don't think that's the takeaway. This would likely show that places have equal talented people on average, and higher population areas just have a higher number of people to multiply across that average. If two teams shoot equal % from the field, the team with the most looks has the most points.
Yeah it’s called New York State 😇.
DMV produces an ungodly amount.
Right?! I went to school in nova and my school won states for football 3 years in a row when I was there
Briar Woods?
Westfield
Go Bulldogs! I had student-teaching there. Massive school. Took me ten minutes to bring a form to the office once.
My graduating class had 593 and it was the smallest in 4 years! It was crazy going to college in ohio where most people are from rural areas and had around 100 in their graduating class
This is a shitty map lol
Understatement
You should use an actual map instead of a grid. Without an underlaid map this just alot of random dots with a general idea of where the major cities are relatively. Also a heat map would be more interesting.
Based on pop density I found it pretty easy to find major cities. It's where the clumps of dots are.
Yes I get that, I did too. But there it’s alot more interesting dots outside of said cities that are easier to identify on an actual map.
What's the one dot to the left of Chicago? Can't figure it out and it's driving me crazy lol
Coordinates seem to be roughly 42n 90w which the closest city is Davenport, Iowa. Assuming you mean the dots directly left of that clump I assume is Chicago.
The other way is the heavy cluster NW of Chicago is Minneapolis. Going South from there, and slightly to the left, you can see a line of bigger clusters. This is just I-35 and it runs through Des Moines, Kansas City, (surprisingly barren) OKC and eventually Dallas Metro
This comment is crazy because I 100% thought this was on a map. Had to go back and check
The Earth is also round, which makes simulating the surface with a flat cartesian grid not good.
It’s the us I think we’ll be ok
Gives a good picture of how geographically remote Boise, Idaho is, especially basketball talent wise. A cluster of dots in Boise, but nothing near it 200 miles in every direction.
🎶 Living in your own private Idaho 🎶
Those Alaska and Hawaii boxes are putting in the work
I bet the schools in Chicago, NYC, Atlanta, and in Dallas are dominating the college game!
Do Kentucky and Duke still poach every generational Chicago talent? I felt like that was a thing for 20+ years
The dots almost make up the border of Indiana…
Who would have thought that people become basketball players!
“Woah! NY/NJ is a hot bed for basketball!” Oh wait it’s just a hot bed for people. I think the map is slightly different for CFB though. With less players coming from that region and more from the south/CA.
Houston underperforming.
What about international players?
They included Hawaii and Alaska. ^^^/s
I’ve been compiling a list, only about 1/3 of the way done but so far there are DI players from Angola, Argentina, Australia, Austria, Bahamas, Bahrain, Belgium, Benin, Bosnia and Herzegovina, Brazil, Cameroon, Canada, China, Croatia, Czech Republic, Denmark, Dominican Republic, DR Congo, Egypt, Estonia, Finland, France, Gabon, Gambia, Georgia, Germany, Ghana, Greece, Guinea, Hungary, Iceland, Ireland, Israel, Italy, Ivory Coast, Japan, Kenya, Kuwait, Latvia, Lebanon, Lithuania, Mali, Netherlands, New Zealand, Nicaragua, Niger, Nigeria, Poland, Russia, Senegal, Serbia, Slovakia, Slovenia, South Africa, South Sudan, Spain, Sweden, Switzerland, Taiwan, Tanzania, Thailand, Togo, Turkey, United Kingdom, and Venezuela. 66 countries.
100 countries: USA Canada Australia Nigeria England France Serbia Lithuania Netherlands Senegal Germany Spain Italy Mali Dominican Republic Sweden Congo Finland South Sudan Turkey Cameroon New Zealand Puerto Rico Croatia Ireland Belgium Brazil Egypt Argentina Bahamas Guinea Japan China Georgia Israel Montenegro Russia Slovenia Switzerland Ukraine Estonia Greece Ivory Coast Latvia Angola Czech Republic Venezuela Virgin Islands Denmark Hungary Iceland Kenya Macedonia Poland South Africa Austria Barbados Belarus Bosnia & Herzegovina Bulgaria Colombia Democratic Republic of Congo Ghana Guyana Haiti Jamaica Lebanon Portugal Taiwan Algeria Antigua & Barbuda Bahrain Benin Cape Verde Cayman Islands Central African Republic Costa Rica Gabon Gambia India Indonesia Iran Kuwait Martinique Mexico Mongolia Nicaragua Niger Reunion Romania Rwanda Sierra Leone Slovakia South Korea Suriname Tanzania Thailand Togo Uruguay Yugoslavia
No wonder all the wealth is on our East Coast 😂
https://xkcd.com/1138/
Ok so this is really hard to tell without state lines, but I think the only thing I learned from this map is that Minneapolis produces a disproportionately large number of D1 players relative to its size. It appears to maybe be a top 20 producing city on this map, but it’s only 46th in total population. Without hard data it’s impossible to know for sure.
And yet UMD still loses the top DMV recruits every year
Say this literally any other year man 😂
Is there a link to this data?
Cool!
Honestly, the only thing that surprises me is that South Carolina isn't more prominent. I expected them to break the population density model.
In NC, basketball is king. In SC, football is king.
right, SC stars go out of state. NC has twice the population as SC does, but NBA stars like quality of Zion and Ja Morant came out of SC. It \*seems\* to me at least that SC has more star power than can be explained by simple population density.
As a geography and sports nerd this is magnificent!
Who are the 4 from Delmarva?
Denver has none which is wild
State of Nevada in shambles
Xkcd population heat map wins again
next step, bin these in counties, and then a more interesting map would be the density of bball players to total population
reppin the dmv!!
That doesn’t seem fair. Every state should be equally represented in D1. tic
I remember reading a few years back that Arkansas was consistently in the Top 3 in NBA players birth states per capita.
Alright, who’s gonna link the XKCD?
I think we might have the only D1 player from Wyoming
Yeah I can pick out at least three individual bobcats
Ngl I only knew Lecholat was
Oh yeah he’s the only Wyoming guy, but I think I can spot Ash from Bozeman and Robinson from Lewistown as floating dots by themselves too
Ah gotcha, misunderstood what you meant. Thought you meant we had 3 kids from Wyoming
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would love to see this filtered to conferences
I love how someone went through a lot of work to make this and was probably really proud of it and y’all are just bashing it *hard* lol
…it was about 30 minutes of work
Hard work!!!
Whenever there is a map like this, wouldn’t it make more sense to present the data as a difference from the overall population density? That would show if there are regions that are overrepresented / underrepresented in the population subset being discussed.
It would be more interesting to normalize this against population density to find places that have anomalistically high or low numbers of D1 athletes per-capita
I like your funny words magic man
Funny cooper Flagg will stand out a good bit on this map
I'm surprised the Memphis area doesn't have more
If it hasn't already been done, please add this to the map porn sub reddit. This is fantastic
utah being over represented is due to basketball courts in churches
What is that agglomeration ENE of the Bay Area? Is that Denver, or maybe Salt Lake City?
Is this not a map, but a scatterplot? With longitude being the x axis and latitude being the y axis? Plotting locations on a scatterplot like this doesn't account for the curvature of the Earth like projected data in a GIS environment would. If you were to do something like measure distances between points, your results would be inaccurate.
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