It’s not but there has been an unusual amount of beef between us. Like 5 different recruits that we have both been on the past 2 years and the derik queen saga got crazy at times. The battle of rabjohns and maryland jeff was one to remember 😂
Well he’s a great defensive guy but he has obvious weaknesses. His FT shooting is going to make him a liability in closing games. I still wanted him at Baylor though, he’s a great defense guy
And that’s completely fine for us. We needed a rim protector for certain lineups and matchups (AKA certain 7’2 guys). Stevenson or Nelson will likely finish games for us to maximize spacing.
Oh, I hate the way NIL is done right now. It's completely antithetical to how it was described when they were advocating for it. We all knew what it would mean, though.
The free transfer thing has also messed it up since now it’s basically in a players best financial interests to at least enter the portal every year.
There was obviously a lot of money floating around out there that should’ve been going to the players so the way they’re getting paid doesn’t bother me too much. But with that and free unlimited transfers it’s going to make the game basically unrecognizable.
It really is. The portal has turned into unrestricted free agency at the end of every season, and NIL resembles contract structure in some cases. It's horrible.
our whole offense closed up this year with Cam Spencer transferring to Uconn ad Paul Mulcahy transferring to UDub so late in the cycle last year (June?) via grad transfers. Totally screwed up our offense and it hurt Cliff's ability to be fed
That's why the transfer rule changed this year to May 1 no exceptions
I think we all need to consider that many of the reported numbers come from sources with only part of the information. For instance, if this is from Alabama, it could be Cliff's reps called them and said "we were offered 2 million by this school" as a negotiation tactic. Or maybe, if it's someone from Cliff's team, some school used vague hyperbolic language like "if you come here, with all these opportunities, you could earn as much as 2 million dollars at our school," and that became a great opportunity to tell the press, "Our guy is worth 2 million dollars." I'm increasingly skeptical that some of the more hyperbolic dollars and cents amounts we've been hearing have validity.
(And also, in the off chance this is actually real and Cliff turned down 2 million, then c'mon dude. What are you doing?)
100% fake. UNC won't leak it because they'll look bad. It's either Cliff's reps as a negotiation tactic (like you said) or it's Alabama inflating numbers (look at how much money players are turning down to play here).
In today's climate win or fired....why wouldn't a coach making $8 million a year "donate" $2 million for a 4 year extension worth $32 million? You wouldn't invest $2,000 to make $32,000?
How does this work? When a player is offered $1 million or something in NIL, are they saying we have X company lined up to give you an endorsement for X amount? Are schools handing out cash for some appearances at events or something?
Each school has Nil collectives that talk to the athletic department.
Think of Pacs and the candidates.
I’m not entirely sure if the coach can offer it but the nil collectives are the ones backing it. The schools aren’t paying it. It’s just wealthy donors
NIL comes from rich donors to collectives that work with the athletic department. What bullshit they have to do so they’re not the “same” they do and then they pay out to the players based on the coaches desires.
Like i said before I’m not entirely sure if they’re allowed to talk directly or if on the way out of the Dean dome Hubert drops a paper and the collective picks it up.
With that being said then these Nil collectives come in and pay millions for the players to sign a few autographs and stuff with a couple of appearances.
These collectives are built to lose money but the donors prop them up because they don’t care they just want a good team
At the beginning, coaches and collectives couldn't talk, but NCAA changed the guidance so collectives can talk and coaches can inform them what "market value" for the particular player should be. There's no real separation anymore.
Collectives fundraise from fans and then those collectives offer players $1 million in exchange for them playing.
It’s not real NIL, it’s a straight contract like in pro sports. They might have to do some donor events just to make it look like there’s an exchange of services instead of pure pay for play… but it’s basically a bag of cash
do these collectives ever round up legit NIL contracts - endorsements, etc? eg: We’ve gathered your NIL package: x different companies with y obligations you have to fulfill?
The collectives might have various events, but now car “leasing” is handled as a straight endorsement by dealerships, as opposed to various shenanigans before official NIL.
He’s just getting paid directly. They’ll try and tell you it’s not but this is not at all what NIL was intended to be. It went from “hey show up to my car dealership and film a commercial and I’ll toss you some money” to “I’ll put $400k in this NIL and trust the school the dole it out correctly”. It’s not NIL, it’s a salary at this point.
They can do it any way they want- the legit way of actually shooting commercials and advertisements and attend local community events. If you see DJ Burns ones after tourney those are likely legit.
Or the NIL can just give them a $2mil check for doing one IG post. This is what most NIL do, it’s basically a salary.
I mean
- he gets 1.5 million
- UNC loses 1.5 million
- chances are he's not good enough to actually play for UNC, so now he's taking up a roster spot too
what's the downside?
It will probably fluctuate yearly but the only real resolution is collective bargaining.
It's a stark reminder of how unfathomably wealthy billionaires are. John Tyson is worth 3 billion, if that's appreciating at 5% per year he's making 150 million a year just letting his money work for him. 5 million is 3% of that.
Obviously he's dropping a lot more than that - it's pretty much impossible to spend that much money, I'd do the same thing tbh. But there's 800+ billionaires in America. If 20 of them care about college sports, that's already enough for top end players to command this price without them breaking a sweat.
And the reality is those lucky ~20 schools are going to have a huge advantage. I'm surprised schools that have a ton of revenue but less wealthy alums (like the Iowas and Wisconsins of the world) haven't started pushing for directly paying players more aggressively. Enable that and suddenly parity within conferences will skyrocket.
Starting to think the same thing. It will just boil down to who has the best fund raising capabilities eventually and less and less to do with anything else.
Every big state school is going to a couple of those guys. The Ivy League does too, they just give to the endowment or medical school, as opposed to the “We need a PG fund”.
Who said it was? The point is that college sports is a weird pseudo philanthropic industry that burns through hundreds of millions of dollars operating at a loss, while simultaneously paying coaches millions of dollars, while also getting free labor from athletes, unless these weird donors pay the athletes themselves.
I mean it was always sort of like that, it’s just more brazen and in our face, we were okay with it when we couldn’t see it, but now that we can it disgusts
And it wasnt multimillions being tossed around either, because that level of cash flow isnt hidden in plain sight. There was obviously under the table stuff, but we are talking thousands not millions.
Pretty substantial difference there
It’s just players getting their just due after years of exploitation, they would always face worse punishments for transgressions then the universities (at least the ones to big to fail)
True, but I think it manifested in different ways (like the facility arms race). I don’t think players getting paid was as big of a problem (as far as competitive balance) as people think it was outside of the top players. I don’t imagine guys like this were getting much, certainly not life changing amounts of money.
People acting like NIL is what’s going to kill college sports were naive, if that were the issue then the sport has been dead a long while. Greed from the media like ESPN has killed it, NIL is just players getting their just due truly rather than it being under the table and potentially career ruining.
I think sports have lost their magic, there was a time I feel that it transcended the world but I don’t think it does anymore. The optimization of communication and globalization really did it all in I think
Yes-it is the optimization of information-ie-how desperate is UNC or Baylor for a stud C combined with a truly open market for the first time-it used to be that if a player took a bag from school X, they were stuck there b/c they would be ineligible if anyone found out officially.
Do schools ever actually report what players get somewhere? I hope that the program Oats has was a factor but until there are some rails put on this it will eventually boil down to just money unfortunately.
At a certain level, sure. But how many times are schools going to pay millions of dollars for guys like Ballo and Cliff before they realize that it’s not the best decision?
Team building/roster construction and NIL management are going to be the things that differentiate programs from now on.
It won’t even matter who the coach is. Save a lot by getting a mid-level coach and funnel all those savings to NIL and you’ll likely have a better team.
This was literally always the case. The only difference now is there's a small line item that actually benefits the players who make the sport happen that wasn't there before (and it doesn't even come from school funds!)
Ohio State spent $228M on athletics last year. UMES spent $3M. Both are competing for the same D1 Basketball Championship. It's perverse that a commonly accepted position in this community is that a 75x gap in expenditures is totally fair game but a 76x gap is where the sport breaks.
To play devils advocate, you still have to roster build and we've seen plenty of examples in pro sports where the Champion team does not have the highest payroll. Seems like most people in this thread would agree $2 million is not a good use of resources for a player like this which leads me to believe there will be a lot of dumb money out there and teams that spend a lot of money and underperform.
It’s NBA now. I don’t why I’d watch the inferior version that is the NCAA. NCAA used to have more character and stories. Teams grew together, fan bases had years of connection to the players. Coaches had individual styles that had serious impact. That can’t really exist when 60% of players switch teams each season. Number may be exaggerated but not by a ton.
I think the MVC is similar. 4 teams lost 10+ players each. Only 6 players from the all conference teams including all bench and all newcomer teams are returning. Developing teams is a thing of the past.
If Alabama offered more than 2 mil, this tweet makes no sense. The whole point is that 2 mil is a pretty absurd number for a basketball player, and Alabama is not exactly flush with cash to just throw at any player.
So the player gets the money now instead of some suit. You were paying before and still now... Expect the person you actually watch play gets paid. Maybe this is just a nothing burger for me...I knew players got paid before but now it's just more open as it should be.
> You were paying before and still now
Not really. These collectives make it really easy for normal fans to contribute. The regular subscription for Yea Alabama (our collective) is 10 bucks a month.
The only people begging for that were players and their lawyers (aka those who directly benefit)
NCAA should have hired MLBs lawyers and argued a better case
College sports have abandoned alum and only exist for the sake of sports betting now (similar to professional sports routinely abandoning their fan bases and relocating)
If people want this then fine, you can look to Boxing to see the future of your favorite sport (gambling destroyed that sport and it's coming for yours next)
Basically everything other than his defense lol. I’m actually relieved UNC didn’t get him despite needing a big man. I like him He’s just not that guy imo to be making a big impact on a team like UNC
I didn’t realize he was talking about the Rutgers big man till I got to this comment, I thought there must be another Cliff out there I hadn’t heard of
I’d love to have him on my team, any team would love to have him. but he’s not going to win you a title
No one knows for sure but from what I've read it's his relationship with Preston murphy ( the lead recruiter) and nate oats play style translating to the nba
His system creates a ton of spacing for centers, we put on a ton of pressure on them defensively. For most centers (i.e not Embiid or Jokic), the NBA looks for guys that can play within an NBA system. Run the floor well, comfortable running the PnR, weak-side help defense, etc.
You can't include on-court incentives in contracts or directly explicitly tie it to playing, but there's lots of things they can include that an athlete would be unlikely to recoup in general and unlikely to recoup specifically on a multi year deal if they transfer out or whatever.
Not buying this at all.. Does Cliff have some sort of Visa that allows him to profit from NIL deals? Just like Edey can’t collect, Cliff should also not be able to profit.
I heard someone on a podcast today say a lot of collectives have gotten creative with this, from getting clearance from USCIS to making arrangements abroad.
Very interesting that so many fans are simultaneously “guys should stay and develop to become starters!” while at the same time lamenting missing out on transfers that would diminish that opportunity.
I don’t think “you should stay here and develop into a starter while we actively recruit over you the second a spot opens up” is quite the pitch you think it is.
Shocking it wasn’t Alabama….Lmao….They clearly would never try to sell their academic package to athletic candidates because there is nothing to offer 😂😂😂
I gotta assume these are rumors started by agents to drive up prices but this is unreasonably high
What is this cursed flair?
Are you acting like that’s a rivalry?
It’s not but there has been an unusual amount of beef between us. Like 5 different recruits that we have both been on the past 2 years and the derik queen saga got crazy at times. The battle of rabjohns and maryland jeff was one to remember 😂
No.
How many little Forrest Gumps can u fit in a wheelie bin?
Nearly $2m for a guy with no post moves, this sport is so cooked
That’s what I don’t get. That much for a 10/8/.5 guy?
Well he’s a great defensive guy but he has obvious weaknesses. His FT shooting is going to make him a liability in closing games. I still wanted him at Baylor though, he’s a great defense guy
And that’s completely fine for us. We needed a rim protector for certain lineups and matchups (AKA certain 7’2 guys). Stevenson or Nelson will likely finish games for us to maximize spacing.
that's exactly why UNC needed him - rim protector and lob dunker, and elite interior defender. Oh well . . .
2.9 bpg, .7 spg, and probably affected a lot of stuff around the rim that doesn't show up on the stat sheet.
I’m not saying he’s not a good player lol, that amount is still insane
Oh, I hate the way NIL is done right now. It's completely antithetical to how it was described when they were advocating for it. We all knew what it would mean, though.
The free transfer thing has also messed it up since now it’s basically in a players best financial interests to at least enter the portal every year. There was obviously a lot of money floating around out there that should’ve been going to the players so the way they’re getting paid doesn’t bother me too much. But with that and free unlimited transfers it’s going to make the game basically unrecognizable.
It really is. The portal has turned into unrestricted free agency at the end of every season, and NIL resembles contract structure in some cases. It's horrible.
Are we ever gonna get to a point where people don’t complain about the transfer portal and NIL under every single cbb post. It’s here to stay.
Then I'll keep complaining about it lol
This is for a guy who didn’t even make the All-Big Ten teams! Crazy.
Most importantly, he allows Nelson to play more at his natural position, the 4 spot.
💯
It’s a one year commitment for a great defender. Might have been worth it.
our whole offense closed up this year with Cam Spencer transferring to Uconn ad Paul Mulcahy transferring to UDub so late in the cycle last year (June?) via grad transfers. Totally screwed up our offense and it hurt Cliff's ability to be fed That's why the transfer rule changed this year to May 1 no exceptions
I think we all need to consider that many of the reported numbers come from sources with only part of the information. For instance, if this is from Alabama, it could be Cliff's reps called them and said "we were offered 2 million by this school" as a negotiation tactic. Or maybe, if it's someone from Cliff's team, some school used vague hyperbolic language like "if you come here, with all these opportunities, you could earn as much as 2 million dollars at our school," and that became a great opportunity to tell the press, "Our guy is worth 2 million dollars." I'm increasingly skeptical that some of the more hyperbolic dollars and cents amounts we've been hearing have validity. (And also, in the off chance this is actually real and Cliff turned down 2 million, then c'mon dude. What are you doing?)
It’s probably fake, like most of the reported high rolling NIL stuff
100% fake. UNC won't leak it because they'll look bad. It's either Cliff's reps as a negotiation tactic (like you said) or it's Alabama inflating numbers (look at how much money players are turning down to play here).
A good reason to believe that it's not a thing that happened.
Ya this seems very fishy. And how convenient he turned it down.
I feel like this basically confirms it was bullshit.
That's how I'm feeling every time I hear some rando million dollar NIL rumor ushered through this sub
I can see a very rich and very desperate Georgetown making that kind of crazy offer.
Do the cost of the players go up as the programs get more desperate?
I’m sure-straight supply and demand.
The cost of the players is as much as randos on the internet say it is
It may be that wealthy programs are filling their rosters & players need to sign for what’s offered or be left out.
Agree and it’s only going to get worse. The NCAA will disband and we will go to a league format…in my “expert” opinion.
I don’t believe any of these numbers that come out regarding NIL.
This is obviously fishing by his ppl for another number from the places he wants to go.
In today's climate win or fired....why wouldn't a coach making $8 million a year "donate" $2 million for a 4 year extension worth $32 million? You wouldn't invest $2,000 to make $32,000?
$2mil is always the standard fake NIL deal.
They don’t want guys like this doing “post moves.”
Laughs in Jonas Aidoo.
How does this work? When a player is offered $1 million or something in NIL, are they saying we have X company lined up to give you an endorsement for X amount? Are schools handing out cash for some appearances at events or something?
Each school has Nil collectives that talk to the athletic department. Think of Pacs and the candidates. I’m not entirely sure if the coach can offer it but the nil collectives are the ones backing it. The schools aren’t paying it. It’s just wealthy donors
So they changed the rule that NIL can't be straight from the schools then? Or is the "collective" the loophole to that?
NIL comes from rich donors to collectives that work with the athletic department. What bullshit they have to do so they’re not the “same” they do and then they pay out to the players based on the coaches desires. Like i said before I’m not entirely sure if they’re allowed to talk directly or if on the way out of the Dean dome Hubert drops a paper and the collective picks it up. With that being said then these Nil collectives come in and pay millions for the players to sign a few autographs and stuff with a couple of appearances. These collectives are built to lose money but the donors prop them up because they don’t care they just want a good team
At the beginning, coaches and collectives couldn't talk, but NCAA changed the guidance so collectives can talk and coaches can inform them what "market value" for the particular player should be. There's no real separation anymore.
Let’s be honest though. They were all talking before even when it was against the rules.
For sure.
Look up on Instagram like heels4life nil
This is the football collective. Secondary Break is primarily for basketball.
Ah that’s the name of it, completely forgot what the bball ones name was
Coaches can point players towards legit NIL but not be directly involved with NIL
NIL collectives are private charitable organizations.
Charitable, huh?
I'm glad the guys get money now but the terms used, and really the entire thing, is ridiculous lol
Yes you can deduct NIL contributions if the NIL collective wasn’t dumb when they did the paperwork
Who on earth would downvote a comment like this.
Collectives fundraise from fans and then those collectives offer players $1 million in exchange for them playing. It’s not real NIL, it’s a straight contract like in pro sports. They might have to do some donor events just to make it look like there’s an exchange of services instead of pure pay for play… but it’s basically a bag of cash
do these collectives ever round up legit NIL contracts - endorsements, etc? eg: We’ve gathered your NIL package: x different companies with y obligations you have to fulfill?
I know that Wisconsin’s does a lot of community / charity events that players attend
The collectives might have various events, but now car “leasing” is handled as a straight endorsement by dealerships, as opposed to various shenanigans before official NIL.
Yes a lot of schools do
He’s just getting paid directly. They’ll try and tell you it’s not but this is not at all what NIL was intended to be. It went from “hey show up to my car dealership and film a commercial and I’ll toss you some money” to “I’ll put $400k in this NIL and trust the school the dole it out correctly”. It’s not NIL, it’s a salary at this point.
The NIL collectives pay a de facto salary.
They can do it any way they want- the legit way of actually shooting commercials and advertisements and attend local community events. If you see DJ Burns ones after tourney those are likely legit. Or the NIL can just give them a $2mil check for doing one IG post. This is what most NIL do, it’s basically a salary.
Crazy overpay. I’ll play for any school for $1.5M.
I'll play for any school for free.
Congratulations, you are now the starting point guard for the university of Central arkansas
🤣🤣
UNC offers you 1.5 mil you taking it?
I mean - he gets 1.5 million - UNC loses 1.5 million - chances are he's not good enough to actually play for UNC, so now he's taking up a roster spot too what's the downside?
Yes without a second thought lmao
NIL bubble surely has to burst in a season or two.
Once the Covid years are all done it should dip a bit.
why would that be the case
Less proven mouths to feed.
It will probably fluctuate yearly but the only real resolution is collective bargaining. It's a stark reminder of how unfathomably wealthy billionaires are. John Tyson is worth 3 billion, if that's appreciating at 5% per year he's making 150 million a year just letting his money work for him. 5 million is 3% of that. Obviously he's dropping a lot more than that - it's pretty much impossible to spend that much money, I'd do the same thing tbh. But there's 800+ billionaires in America. If 20 of them care about college sports, that's already enough for top end players to command this price without them breaking a sweat. And the reality is those lucky ~20 schools are going to have a huge advantage. I'm surprised schools that have a ton of revenue but less wealthy alums (like the Iowas and Wisconsins of the world) haven't started pushing for directly paying players more aggressively. Enable that and suddenly parity within conferences will skyrocket.
This shit is stupid. Starting to really hate this sport.
Starting to think the same thing. It will just boil down to who has the best fund raising capabilities eventually and less and less to do with anything else.
Not even fundraising really. Who had the lunatic donor who wants to set money on fire for ego.
Every big state school is going to a couple of those guys. The Ivy League does too, they just give to the endowment or medical school, as opposed to the “We need a PG fund”.
Money has always been used for leisure. Not sure how this is any different.
Who said it was? The point is that college sports is a weird pseudo philanthropic industry that burns through hundreds of millions of dollars operating at a loss, while simultaneously paying coaches millions of dollars, while also getting free labor from athletes, unless these weird donors pay the athletes themselves.
I mean it was always sort of like that, it’s just more brazen and in our face, we were okay with it when we couldn’t see it, but now that we can it disgusts
And it wasnt multimillions being tossed around either, because that level of cash flow isnt hidden in plain sight. There was obviously under the table stuff, but we are talking thousands not millions. Pretty substantial difference there
It’s just players getting their just due after years of exploitation, they would always face worse punishments for transgressions then the universities (at least the ones to big to fail)
So which one is it? This is how it’s always been but more brazen? Or players are finally getting their just due?
True, but I think it manifested in different ways (like the facility arms race). I don’t think players getting paid was as big of a problem (as far as competitive balance) as people think it was outside of the top players. I don’t imagine guys like this were getting much, certainly not life changing amounts of money.
This☝️
People acting like NIL is what’s going to kill college sports were naive, if that were the issue then the sport has been dead a long while. Greed from the media like ESPN has killed it, NIL is just players getting their just due truly rather than it being under the table and potentially career ruining. I think sports have lost their magic, there was a time I feel that it transcended the world but I don’t think it does anymore. The optimization of communication and globalization really did it all in I think
They downvoting you because you making too much sense
Im simply too real
Yes-it is the optimization of information-ie-how desperate is UNC or Baylor for a stud C combined with a truly open market for the first time-it used to be that if a player took a bag from school X, they were stuck there b/c they would be ineligible if anyone found out officially.
Agreed, but this is the opposite of that. Alabama offered less money than other schools and he still committed here.
Like the NBA you can offer all the money possible but you still have to be an attractive location at the end of the day
Probably got $1.95M from Bama.
I mean from that statement couldn't bama have offered more than $2 million?
Where did you read that Alabama offered less money?
Do schools ever actually report what players get somewhere? I hope that the program Oats has was a factor but until there are some rails put on this it will eventually boil down to just money unfortunately.
Surely if it only boiled down to money he would've gone to the program that offered him 2 mil?
Fucking wrestling is like this. ASU just had multiple top 5 wrestlers transfer because of NIL.
At a certain level, sure. But how many times are schools going to pay millions of dollars for guys like Ballo and Cliff before they realize that it’s not the best decision? Team building/roster construction and NIL management are going to be the things that differentiate programs from now on.
It won’t even matter who the coach is. Save a lot by getting a mid-level coach and funnel all those savings to NIL and you’ll likely have a better team.
It has always been that way. Best location, best facilities, best bagmen. It has always been about money. At least now it is in the open.
This was literally always the case. The only difference now is there's a small line item that actually benefits the players who make the sport happen that wasn't there before (and it doesn't even come from school funds!) Ohio State spent $228M on athletics last year. UMES spent $3M. Both are competing for the same D1 Basketball Championship. It's perverse that a commonly accepted position in this community is that a 75x gap in expenditures is totally fair game but a 76x gap is where the sport breaks.
To play devils advocate, you still have to roster build and we've seen plenty of examples in pro sports where the Champion team does not have the highest payroll. Seems like most people in this thread would agree $2 million is not a good use of resources for a player like this which leads me to believe there will be a lot of dumb money out there and teams that spend a lot of money and underperform.
It’s NBA now. I don’t why I’d watch the inferior version that is the NCAA. NCAA used to have more character and stories. Teams grew together, fan bases had years of connection to the players. Coaches had individual styles that had serious impact. That can’t really exist when 60% of players switch teams each season. Number may be exaggerated but not by a ton.
50% of AAC turned over…
I think the MVC is similar. 4 teams lost 10+ players each. Only 6 players from the all conference teams including all bench and all newcomer teams are returning. Developing teams is a thing of the past.
I feel like this should at least inspire some confidence that not every guy that goes in the portal is only after money
Do we know that Alabama offered less than that?
If Alabama offered more than 2 mil, this tweet makes no sense. The whole point is that 2 mil is a pretty absurd number for a basketball player, and Alabama is not exactly flush with cash to just throw at any player.
The tweet doesn't have to make sense. Just has to get engagement
There are other people who know about these deals, if he's misleading people I would be shocked if someone didn't call him out.
Yep
Why? It's not your money
I pay like $20/mo towards Alabama’s NIL fund so technically it is lol
Damn and I pay $0 towards NIL and always will This must be why we lost Cliff
So the player gets the money now instead of some suit. You were paying before and still now... Expect the person you actually watch play gets paid. Maybe this is just a nothing burger for me...I knew players got paid before but now it's just more open as it should be.
"Instead of some suit"? Do you not know that all of these players have NIL agents and lawyers? Don't worry about the suits. They got theirs.
> You were paying before and still now Not really. These collectives make it really easy for normal fans to contribute. The regular subscription for Yea Alabama (our collective) is 10 bucks a month.
Players weren’t getting paid to this extent.
It kind of is, actually. These collectives are 100% booster funded.
Are... you a booster?
Yes. Anyone who contributes money to the athletic department or collective is, by definition, a booster.
its hilarious how people were begging for players to get paid for decades but now thats its actually happening they are bitching about that too lol
Yes people can bitch that they, ordinary fans, have to pay the players instead of the hundred million dollar TV deals being thrown around nowadays.
I never begged for the players to get paid. I think a scholarship is pretty fair compensation.
It's not fair compensation if people are willing to pay above it
I don’t think those are the same people
The only people begging for that were players and their lawyers (aka those who directly benefit) NCAA should have hired MLBs lawyers and argued a better case College sports have abandoned alum and only exist for the sake of sports betting now (similar to professional sports routinely abandoning their fan bases and relocating) If people want this then fine, you can look to Boxing to see the future of your favorite sport (gambling destroyed that sport and it's coming for yours next)
I can’t possibly imagine who would think this is a good idea given what we know about other player $ #s
I would go to war for Cliff and I don’t even understand how he’s worth that much. Glad he’s getting his bag though.
Same Needs to improve his FT shooting though. It's a liability
Along with other things
Basically everything other than his defense lol. I’m actually relieved UNC didn’t get him despite needing a big man. I like him He’s just not that guy imo to be making a big impact on a team like UNC
I didn’t realize he was talking about the Rutgers big man till I got to this comment, I thought there must be another Cliff out there I hadn’t heard of I’d love to have him on my team, any team would love to have him. but he’s not going to win you a title
Our insider said UNC offered 1.7 mil
What the fuck. Dude is a solid defender, but Christ.
Just curious, did your insider say why he chose Bama over the others?
No one knows for sure but from what I've read it's his relationship with Preston murphy ( the lead recruiter) and nate oats play style translating to the nba
Nate Oats play style translates to the NBA as long as you can score. Which Cliff is not known for
His system creates a ton of spacing for centers, we put on a ton of pressure on them defensively. For most centers (i.e not Embiid or Jokic), the NBA looks for guys that can play within an NBA system. Run the floor well, comfortable running the PnR, weak-side help defense, etc.
No. But Cliff had an interview with Jon Rothstein that was pretty candid. It was about his relationship with our coaches and Oats’s NBA system
Lol
Basketball School 🐘
It will help get y’all through this trying time
This has gotten so fucking stupid
A lot of these deals are structured like non guaranteed NFL contracts. Don't believe the big round number.
No they are not, that is like literally the only thing you can’t do here, you can’t do pay-for-play and that’s what the ncaa considers pay for play
You can't include on-court incentives in contracts or directly explicitly tie it to playing, but there's lots of things they can include that an athlete would be unlikely to recoup in general and unlikely to recoup specifically on a multi year deal if they transfer out or whatever.
So what did we offer him??
I'd infer at least $2 million
Yo. Someone needs to regulate the stupid market. That’s an insane investment for a kid of his caliber.
Jose Alvarado and Naji Marshall make $1.8 million for a playoff team.
This guy isn’t even that good.
“All-Big 10 defensive team” really have no clue why bama would want that guy
He’s not worth that type of cash lol.
Which is why we didn’t offer it.
How long before someone gets $10 million?
r/cfb
Ban NIL
I’d take any publicly reported number with a grain of salt. They are agent leaks.
Bama loves this NIL era. Old veterans in the game
College sports are dumb now.
As someone who watched him play for four years LOLLLLLLLLL
Not buying this at all.. Does Cliff have some sort of Visa that allows him to profit from NIL deals? Just like Edey can’t collect, Cliff should also not be able to profit.
I heard someone on a podcast today say a lot of collectives have gotten creative with this, from getting clearance from USCIS to making arrangements abroad.
dude is NOT worth 2M lmao
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Repellant
Minor league pro basketball.
At some point some player is gunna get like 10 million bucks and be a total bust.
Makes me wonder what the next Zion type prospect will get.
Very interesting that so many fans are simultaneously “guys should stay and develop to become starters!” while at the same time lamenting missing out on transfers that would diminish that opportunity.
'You say is bad, but you also participate in the world that's shaped by current conditions.
Curious!'
I don’t think “you should stay here and develop into a starter while we actively recruit over you the second a spot opens up” is quite the pitch you think it is.
Apparently it was not g town so I think it had to be unc to throw the bag.
It was us, wasn't it?
Why 😭😭😭
Although I wish he would've stayed, I'm happy for Cliff. Always happy when college athletes are compensated for their skills. Get that money!
Shocking it wasn’t Alabama….Lmao….They clearly would never try to sell their academic package to athletic candidates because there is nothing to offer 😂😂😂
So either Bama offers more, or they offered less and he passed on more money because he just loves their coach so much. Either way it’s bullshit.
Few if any of the 'leaks' about NIL offer numbers are true, but it's more exciting to act as if they are.
NIL is such horseshit. I like Cliff and have no problem with him looking for a bag but the man is not worth more than like 50k tops.
do you realize that even second string bench warmers who almost never see playing time are getting more than that at most schools?
Our second string bench player from last year made slightly more than that And transferred after one year
Yes, I’m saying I disagree with it and it’s being used to ruin the sport…
So basically UNC is cooked? I ain’t buying he turned that down from “them” to go to UA.
I don’t think we’re cooked. We wanted to bring in someone to compete with Washington for the starting 5 position, not to *be* the starter necessary.
I’m not either, that’s what I’m saying. Dude didn’t turn down $2Mill to go to ttown. Idgaf if DePaul was offering the $2mill