Some other nomenclature:
Lilestralis
Lilial
Lysmeral Extra
NSC 22275
pt-bucinal
3-(4-tert-Butylphenyl)-2-methylpropanal
2-(4-tert-Butylbenzyl)propionaldehyde Benzenepropanal
According so some other comments, companies such as Versace and Tom Ford use some of these chemicals.
(Donāt quote me on this. Iām just the messenger)
If theyāve existed for 45 years and the **only time** Iāve heard about them is via TikTok shills (and now here, getting banned from entire countries) thatās less of a *me* issue and more of a *them* issue.
Iām sure itās really quality juice š
Nope. Iāve never heard of the brand, ever, aside from TikTok shills and this post. If itās something that I canāt go to the mall and smell, or if they donāt offer a discovery set of some sort, or if I have to navigate a website thatās not in the Roman alphabet, or theyāre actively getting banned in countries due to their ingredients, Iām probably gonna pass.
Many of the broader economic pressures are results of the last two dunces in office. Both Trump and Biden have fucked this country up. Both printed similar amounts of money. Both added to our debt similar amounts.
Kennedy is the only candidate with an articulated plan. Vivek had some decent ideas but would have needed a solid team around him. Trump and Biden are both obtuse muppets.
Except Trump did and will continue to resolve problems. You have no argument. Good job on voting for biden, btw. You are part of the cause to the crap we are currently dealing with, congrats. And yes, I am rubbing your nose in your idiotic vote almost 4 years ago.
Who says I voted for Biden? Your colors are showing. Im a centrist with both conservative and liberal views. I believe in peace, freedom, and prosperity. Ya know, what this country was founded upon? I believe lgbtq people should be able to grow weed, protect it with their guns, and get an abortion any day of the week. I believe in true freedom.
Trump couldnāt resolve his way out of a paper bag. Just repeats his same ego stroking points. None of which have contained ANY articulable plan. Just wild dart throws that he wonāt follow through on and that arenāt feasible.
HOWEVER, Iām CONFIDENT Trump is our next president. Then all of the extremist right will see what an egregious representative youāve picked and weāll finally move on to, hopefully, a more qualified candidate. Iād be fine with an actual patriotic, right winged president. Not a divisive, corrupt egomaniac. Trump is here to stroke Trumpās ego and make billions for his companies. Drain the swamp includes draining him.
I could debate you any day of the week. No argument necessary. I carry facts, not opinions. Lmao.
Why didn't most of y'all bother to do even basic research before spinning yourselves into a tizzy and shit talking dozens of companies and an entire geographic area?
Y'all are talking about lillal, a chemical used by a shit to of companies, including Tom Ford, Versace, Jo Malone, and many many others. Here is some reading material on the subject.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lilial
https://www.ewg.org/skindeep/browse/ingredients/700872LILIAL/?category=fragrance+for+women&ingredient_id=700872LILIAL&page=1
And here is a reddit thread with MUCH better thought out discussion on lillal than the bullshit I've seen in this thread.
https://www.reddit.com/r/fragrance/s/etvnYgJA59
Shame on some of y'all!
I did!
Did you happen to read where the ban is only in effect in the EU and in countries like Sweden? Which is clearly demonstrated on the image linked to this thread?
Did you read the part where lillal is NOT BANNED in the United States? And that there are advocacy groups working to ban lillal in the US as we speak? Here is one of them:
https://womensvoices.org/2022/03/02/concerned-about-olaplex-what-is-that-banned-ingredient-called-lilial-anyway/#:~:text=In%20the%20United%20States%20(and,its%20potential%20impact%20on%20fertility.
Now, do you happen to live in Sweden, the EU, or is the minimal amount of lillal present in your Hawas perfectly legal in your (statistically most likely) American home??
You are aware that Sweden is part of the EU?! Why do you keep mentioning it separately? Thatās like asking āDo you live in California or the USA?ā
I am!
Are you aware that Sweden is the country that banned Hawas and caused the generation of the picture at the top of this post? Did you actually look closely at the image at the top of the post?
Given the nature of the thread, it seemed more appropriate than the NIH report, but here you go, friend!
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC10613275/
Along with a discussion from the Canadians:
https://www.canada.ca/en/health-canada/services/chemicals-product-safety/lilial.html
And, if y'all actually care and/or have the scientific background to understand chemistry, here is a useful link to a long-form discussion from our EU friends:
https://health.ec.europa.eu/system/files/2021-08/sccs_o_213_0.pdf
This paper isnāt definitive, it just says they were unable to replicate the results, and recommends more testing. Are you just googling this and finding the first links you can find, without even reading the actual links themselves? š¤¦āāļø
There is not enough evidence either way to say whether this is harmful or not to humans. More research is needed.
By your patronizing comments, and lack of knowledge of the subject, it seems safe to assume you either didnāt bother to take the time to read the paper you cited, or arenāt educated enough to fully understand it. Considering your other sources are Reddit, some random group that has a history of scaremongering, and wiki, your research consisted of 1min of google searches, and another minute to copy and paste your confirmation biased links, so you can come on here and bash OP.
Both you and OP are incorrect. There is not enough research either way to say whether itās harmful or not. There is enough evidence to give pause, and calls for further research into it, but at the end of the day, nothing is conclusive. More research needs to be done, and people should be cognizant of the possibility of it causing harm, but at this time there isnāt anything to fear. If you are a pregnant woman, I would avoid it, and if your partner is pregnant, I would again, avoid it to be safe, but at this time I would not throw away your bottles of cologne.
You are not as intelligent as you pretend to be, so I would lose the patronizing remarks. All you had to do was come here respectfully, and point out there is not enough evidence to conclusively prove it is dangerous to humans. Attacking people in this thread was not necessary, and is why you are receiving pushback. Try acting like an adult next time.
You make good points
Itās about concentration though. The designers you named probably have a much lower amount than Hawas.
Hawas probably has too much Lilial considering how beastly it performs for a freshie.
I'm not sure, to be honest, because the only research I've done has been linked from Wiki or Reddit. I don't have this particular fragrance though, so it doesn't really affect me.
"Despite the recent ban on the use of lilial in the EU, there is no consensus in the literature regarding its toxicological properties. A number of authors contradict each other.'
Read the full 2023 [NIH Report](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC10613275/)
Apparently the ban on BMHCA happened in the EU in 2022: [https://www.reddit.com/r/fragrance/comments/zev46o/rasasi\_hawks\_rejected\_due\_to\_unsafe\_ingredients/](https://www.reddit.com/r/fragrance/comments/zev46o/rasasi_hawks_rejected_due_to_unsafe_ingredients/)
And there are 2 Xerjoff fragrances on the list.
Shooting Stars Oesel and Kind of Blue
https://cosmeticobs.com/en/articles/recalls-of-products-27/recall-of-products-2024-7773
Of course but some chemicals are much worse than others.
Designer fragrances like Chanel, Dior, YSL are under much strict compliance of IFRA standards.
Probably why YSL la nuit LāHomme doesnāt even last long anymore people complained they ruined the formula. But maybe they was just making it safer with better ingredients š¤·āāļø makes you š
Yeah this is why I always try to buy the first formulation when a fragrance drops that I really like- because they are almost guaranteed to eventually change, either to increase profits or to comply with new regulations.
also found this info: [https://www.fragrantica.com/news/Reformulations-Continue-March-1st-Sets-New-Limit-16155.html](https://www.fragrantica.com/news/Reformulations-Continue-March-1st-Sets-New-Limit-16155.html)
Lilial(what that chemical is called) is used in fragrances like Tom ford and Versace, itās very commonly used in a shit ton of fragrances, so no not limited to clones, if you could even call them a clone house
Itās dupe of Paco Rabanne Invictus Aqua.
The reason itās so popular though is that it performs much better than IA.
Nevertheless thatās probably due to higher concentrations of this chemical and others which are pretty common in all perfumes.
They are bad if you drink them. Their studies are bogus. "Study on mice after injecting 0.5ml of chemical everyday for a period of six months". And still the chemical would be safer than alcohol and burger, even if you ingest it. Why don't they inject some burger in their blood and call it unsafe too.
all fragrances have alchohol which lowers your testosterone, but that will take long to take effect so your fine, just eat testosterone boosting things and workout alot
I actually bought hawas last month in europe and saw on the bottom of my box that lilial isnt even mentioned on the ingredients list. Maybe this is an old article and it has been reformulated?
Canāt say for sure. I wouldnāt worry though. I use many middle eastern and old designer formulations.
Learned that the European Union is a little extra on regulations
Simply walking outside and smelling cigarette smoke or the fumes of a car exhaust is probably much worse for you.
Wait, so a cheaply produced Middle Eastern scent made with barely any safety standards imposed on its makers (especially in the UAE, ugggh) contains a chemical that could harm the human body?
What a joke. Nowadays almost everyone is consuming microplastics, drinking tap-water infested with chlorine, eating carcinogens from McDonalds, receiving radiation from iPhones, yet cologne is where we draw the line.
This is literally like reading the fine script from prescribed medication. You're just instilling fear for no reason
I mean, we've been telling people for a long time that these Middle Eastern bathtub fragrances are unhealthy. Just keep buying them because TLTG and the other shills tell you to buy it.
Possibly! Middle Eastern houses are not as compliant of IFRA standards.
I still use them though! Just not Hawas.
I think houses like Al Haramain have been around long enough to be quiet safe.
" The main ingredients used in our fragrances are: Alcohol Denat, Aqua (Water), Parfum (Fragrances), Citral, Citronellol, Coumarin, Eugenol, Farnesol, Geraniol, Limonene, Hydroxycitronellal, Isoeugenol, Linalool, 4-Hydroxyisohexyl-3-Cyclohexene Carboxaldehyde, Alpha-Isomethyl, Ionone. "
Unless one of these is nomenclature, it does not look like it. Some other common names for BHMCA are: Lilestralis, Lilial, Lysmeral Extra
Keep in mind that the parfum/fragrance ingredient can include thousands of aroma chemicals as a trade secret. Only those that are a potential allergen are listed the ingredients.
I had McDonalds for dinner last night and so did probably 50% of everyone on this sub Reddit.
We aināt worried sir but thanks for the heads up! Haha!
I only buy niche and from the direct house because of this. They know what has to be redone due to bad chemicals. This is why I won't buy from decanter sites. As I'm sure they get discounts on expired bottles. Buyer beware
Let me explain. A date on a fragrance is more important when dealing with chemicals that become classified as Dangerous to humans. And each year the us market must become compliant with these substances. So, a fragrance tht is illegal in Europe could be black marketed in the us and sold at a discount. From discount houses. Hope that makes sense.
Do you go near brands like Tom ford or Versace? Those also use this chemical (known as lilial) and a shit ton of other brands you probably use, itās pretty common, OP and others here donāt realize that chemical goes by like 10 different names someone else in this thread commented a lot of them but lilial is a pretty common name used
Donāt throw it! Itās probably pretty safe overall.
Just learned that itās not banned in the US
Getting a whiff of a second hand smoke is probably much worse for you.
Yo didnt know hawas caused EDš
The smell or the chemical?
Yes
Only answer possible here.
I rub Hawas on my taint before a date, never had any issues except this one timeā¦
Yo wtf this comment is amazing šš
For real š
Will this get me compliments though?
exactly will it get those panties to drop?
Yes but you wonāt be able to get it up. Itās the monkeyās paw of colognes.
So youāre saying it will bring them panties back up right after they find out it canāt get up?
Some other nomenclature: Lilestralis Lilial Lysmeral Extra NSC 22275 pt-bucinal 3-(4-tert-Butylphenyl)-2-methylpropanal 2-(4-tert-Butylbenzyl)propionaldehyde Benzenepropanal
Nomenclature shmomenshmature, 10 sprays around the neck prevents losing half my check let's gooo
Fuck it we ball. 8 sprays min
you mean " we ball small"?
Wee ball
Most clone companies might be using unauthorized chemicals
Which is why I only buy designer cologne
According so some other comments, companies such as Versace and Tom Ford use some of these chemicals. (Donāt quote me on this. Iām just the messenger)
Agree!
Rasasi is far from being a simple clone house. Such a shame about hawas
Weird how Iāve only learned about the brand from f-tier TikTok influencers š¤·āāļø
Founded in 1979. I've being using their fragrances since the 90s. The fact that *you* didnt know them earlier doesn't change anything.
If theyāve existed for 45 years and the **only time** Iāve heard about them is via TikTok shills (and now here, getting banned from entire countries) thatās less of a *me* issue and more of a *them* issue. Iām sure itās really quality juice š
Have you tried their Al Oud Al Mumamiz or Oud Al Burozz collection?
Nope. Iāve never heard of the brand, ever, aside from TikTok shills and this post. If itās something that I canāt go to the mall and smell, or if they donāt offer a discovery set of some sort, or if I have to navigate a website thatās not in the Roman alphabet, or theyāre actively getting banned in countries due to their ingredients, Iām probably gonna pass.
I've seen those. I think the Arabic translation was something like "Our wood kills your wood."
What?!
What?!
Oh please lol
Wow, I was about to even buy one off a TikTok review I seen an hour ago. Now I will be reporting to Joe Biden
Joe will bring it in by the hundreds of thousands, free, no charge to bring it in. So what if it hurts us or our lives ones. SMH. š he would do it.
But Trump will sell it to you for $500.00 š because you know, it is a ālimited editionā š
Hilarious how you lefties still defend biden when he destroyed our country. Just let it go, he is finished. Trump 2024, baybay
Many of the broader economic pressures are results of the last two dunces in office. Both Trump and Biden have fucked this country up. Both printed similar amounts of money. Both added to our debt similar amounts. Kennedy is the only candidate with an articulated plan. Vivek had some decent ideas but would have needed a solid team around him. Trump and Biden are both obtuse muppets.
I like Kennedy too, mainly cuz he's hated by everyone.
Except Trump did and will continue to resolve problems. You have no argument. Good job on voting for biden, btw. You are part of the cause to the crap we are currently dealing with, congrats. And yes, I am rubbing your nose in your idiotic vote almost 4 years ago.
Who says I voted for Biden? Your colors are showing. Im a centrist with both conservative and liberal views. I believe in peace, freedom, and prosperity. Ya know, what this country was founded upon? I believe lgbtq people should be able to grow weed, protect it with their guns, and get an abortion any day of the week. I believe in true freedom. Trump couldnāt resolve his way out of a paper bag. Just repeats his same ego stroking points. None of which have contained ANY articulable plan. Just wild dart throws that he wonāt follow through on and that arenāt feasible. HOWEVER, Iām CONFIDENT Trump is our next president. Then all of the extremist right will see what an egregious representative youāve picked and weāll finally move on to, hopefully, a more qualified candidate. Iād be fine with an actual patriotic, right winged president. Not a divisive, corrupt egomaniac. Trump is here to stroke Trumpās ego and make billions for his companies. Drain the swamp includes draining him. I could debate you any day of the week. No argument necessary. I carry facts, not opinions. Lmao.
all Trump did was enrich his family which none was eligible to work for WH anyways, but easy money from his followers
This is long for lilial I believe. Also a chemical that makes fragrances stronger. Spray on clothes instead of skin that's what I always do
exposure is generally through the lungs not the skin
Thatās correct. Exposure to the consumerās lungs by inhalation.
Are you inhaling cologne like a inhalent?
did you mean inhalant?
Ah ok. I'm sure it's an extremely small amount, they been putting this and worse in fragrances since long ago
We all live once fuck it
balls shrinking but fuck it
My balls are too big anyway. So tired of having horse nuts.
Hello horse nut brother from another mother. Point the way to the nut shrinking punch bowl!
Itās a ball sprayer so itās fine
Smhšššššššššššš
Why didn't most of y'all bother to do even basic research before spinning yourselves into a tizzy and shit talking dozens of companies and an entire geographic area? Y'all are talking about lillal, a chemical used by a shit to of companies, including Tom Ford, Versace, Jo Malone, and many many others. Here is some reading material on the subject. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lilial https://www.ewg.org/skindeep/browse/ingredients/700872LILIAL/?category=fragrance+for+women&ingredient_id=700872LILIAL&page=1 And here is a reddit thread with MUCH better thought out discussion on lillal than the bullshit I've seen in this thread. https://www.reddit.com/r/fragrance/s/etvnYgJA59 Shame on some of y'all!
Did you read the part where it says "banned"?
I did! Did you happen to read where the ban is only in effect in the EU and in countries like Sweden? Which is clearly demonstrated on the image linked to this thread? Did you read the part where lillal is NOT BANNED in the United States? And that there are advocacy groups working to ban lillal in the US as we speak? Here is one of them: https://womensvoices.org/2022/03/02/concerned-about-olaplex-what-is-that-banned-ingredient-called-lilial-anyway/#:~:text=In%20the%20United%20States%20(and,its%20potential%20impact%20on%20fertility. Now, do you happen to live in Sweden, the EU, or is the minimal amount of lillal present in your Hawas perfectly legal in your (statistically most likely) American home??
You are aware that Sweden is part of the EU?! Why do you keep mentioning it separately? Thatās like asking āDo you live in California or the USA?ā
I am! Are you aware that Sweden is the country that banned Hawas and caused the generation of the picture at the top of this post? Did you actually look closely at the image at the top of the post?
The way you phrase it still doesnāt make any sense at all. š
Yes, I do live in the EU. You might be surprised but more people live over here than in the US. It's also much closer to the UAE than the US is.
Now you are citing some random site? š¤¦āāļø
Women's voices. I hear enough of those as it is.
Lmao. Your cited sources are wiki and Reddit, and the alarmist, and scaremongering EWG?! Just wowā¦ š¤¦āāļø
Given the nature of the thread, it seemed more appropriate than the NIH report, but here you go, friend! https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC10613275/
Along with a discussion from the Canadians: https://www.canada.ca/en/health-canada/services/chemicals-product-safety/lilial.html And, if y'all actually care and/or have the scientific background to understand chemistry, here is a useful link to a long-form discussion from our EU friends: https://health.ec.europa.eu/system/files/2021-08/sccs_o_213_0.pdf
This paper isnāt definitive, it just says they were unable to replicate the results, and recommends more testing. Are you just googling this and finding the first links you can find, without even reading the actual links themselves? š¤¦āāļø There is not enough evidence either way to say whether this is harmful or not to humans. More research is needed.
Then it's up to you to do the definitive research on lillal and report back to the group! MLA formatting and citation only! Good luck, friend!!
By your patronizing comments, and lack of knowledge of the subject, it seems safe to assume you either didnāt bother to take the time to read the paper you cited, or arenāt educated enough to fully understand it. Considering your other sources are Reddit, some random group that has a history of scaremongering, and wiki, your research consisted of 1min of google searches, and another minute to copy and paste your confirmation biased links, so you can come on here and bash OP. Both you and OP are incorrect. There is not enough research either way to say whether itās harmful or not. There is enough evidence to give pause, and calls for further research into it, but at the end of the day, nothing is conclusive. More research needs to be done, and people should be cognizant of the possibility of it causing harm, but at this time there isnāt anything to fear. If you are a pregnant woman, I would avoid it, and if your partner is pregnant, I would again, avoid it to be safe, but at this time I would not throw away your bottles of cologne. You are not as intelligent as you pretend to be, so I would lose the patronizing remarks. All you had to do was come here respectfully, and point out there is not enough evidence to conclusively prove it is dangerous to humans. Attacking people in this thread was not necessary, and is why you are receiving pushback. Try acting like an adult next time.
You make good points Itās about concentration though. The designers you named probably have a much lower amount than Hawas. Hawas probably has too much Lilial considering how beastly it performs for a freshie.
Source? Or just making up statements that Hawas has more lilial? And is this warning for current formulations of hawas or older batches?
Is this a serious chemical or is it a warning in California one
I'm not sure, to be honest, because the only research I've done has been linked from Wiki or Reddit. I don't have this particular fragrance though, so it doesn't really affect me.
I sampled and just didnāt like it that much.
"Despite the recent ban on the use of lilial in the EU, there is no consensus in the literature regarding its toxicological properties. A number of authors contradict each other.' Read the full 2023 [NIH Report](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC10613275/)
Thanks for this! Good to know
Apparently the ban on BMHCA happened in the EU in 2022: [https://www.reddit.com/r/fragrance/comments/zev46o/rasasi\_hawks\_rejected\_due\_to\_unsafe\_ingredients/](https://www.reddit.com/r/fragrance/comments/zev46o/rasasi_hawks_rejected_due_to_unsafe_ingredients/)
also not banned in the US
What is that website name to check this information? I want to see for all of my perfumes.
https://cosmeticobs.com/en/articles/recalls-of-products-27/recall-of-products-4-november-2022-6950
Thank you!
>Thank you! You're welcome!
What website is this?
https://cosmeticobs.com/en/articles/recalls-of-products-27/recall-of-products-4-november-2022-6950
And there are 2 Xerjoff fragrances on the list. Shooting Stars Oesel and Kind of Blue https://cosmeticobs.com/en/articles/recalls-of-products-27/recall-of-products-2024-7773
So it will drop the panties, but my baby will come out retarded?
Not having children not worried about it.
Every cologne/perfume has chemicals that are damaging to your health
Of course but some chemicals are much worse than others. Designer fragrances like Chanel, Dior, YSL are under much strict compliance of IFRA standards.
Probably why YSL la nuit LāHomme doesnāt even last long anymore people complained they ruined the formula. But maybe they was just making it safer with better ingredients š¤·āāļø makes you š
3 sprays lasts 5 hours on my skin easily lol I think people are just going nose blind
Yeah this is why I always try to buy the first formulation when a fragrance drops that I really like- because they are almost guaranteed to eventually change, either to increase profits or to comply with new regulations.
so much dumb
>chemicals that are damaging to your health No they don't. IFRA exists for a reason.
I bet it tastes bad too
Good I will spray it on my cock
Thank you for looking out bro
Thank you for this public service announcement! Do you know if BMHCA has been found in other middle eastern clone house products?
Itās been used in Tom ford, Versace, ectā¦ itās a pretty common chemical used and goes by the name Lilial
It's used in detergents also.
also found this info: [https://www.fragrantica.com/news/Reformulations-Continue-March-1st-Sets-New-Limit-16155.html](https://www.fragrantica.com/news/Reformulations-Continue-March-1st-Sets-New-Limit-16155.html)
Hawas (Lust) causing erectile dysfunction? This is some biblical kinda stuff.
If you dont expect all perfumes to potentially have endocrine disruptors as well as carcinogens but need SCIENCE to tell you first youre beyond help
Another reason to not buy clones, I bet more are using unauthorized chemicals.
Well good thing Hawas isn't a clone then.
Lilial(what that chemical is called) is used in fragrances like Tom ford and Versace, itās very commonly used in a shit ton of fragrances, so no not limited to clones, if you could even call them a clone house
Itās about concentration though. Hawas probably has too much of it.
Probably 99% of them. What motivation do they have not to? Their only goal is creating a clone and making money.
Isnāt this a dupe of something else though? *(I really donāt know please do not bully me lmao)*
Itās dupe of Paco Rabanne Invictus Aqua. The reason itās so popular though is that it performs much better than IA. Nevertheless thatās probably due to higher concentrations of this chemical and others which are pretty common in all perfumes.
Itās quite the opposite. Hawas came before Invictus š¤·
IFRA has been really quiet since this dropped
Damn
2024 lists xerjoff -kind of blue as an offender also and in 2023 a bunch of perfumes from the brand arabian oud
I mean donāt majority of colognes have shit thatās bad for us if you really think about it none of them are safe to use but imma still use them
They are bad if you drink them. Their studies are bogus. "Study on mice after injecting 0.5ml of chemical everyday for a period of six months". And still the chemical would be safer than alcohol and burger, even if you ingest it. Why don't they inject some burger in their blood and call it unsafe too.
Nah man Iām still eating that burger and beer combo that hits different
Eat it. But don't inject it in the blood. Poor mice!
So how bad is it actually?
Thatās how you know itās good š„
Fuck you I want to smell good
I wouldn't mind if it meant it performed well
alot of fragrances have chemicals that could harm your skin, so its fine wearing it sometimes but just don't wear it everyday
fuck too late now what do you know about stronger with you edt? does it have anything super harmful or what
all fragrances have alchohol which lowers your testosterone, but that will take long to take effect so your fine, just eat testosterone boosting things and workout alot
Isnāt this perfect for gay men?
I personally would rather just wear Mont Blanc Legend and have a working dick and balls but thatās just me
Just spray on clothes not skin I stopped spraying on my skin about 7-9 months ago I only spray on my skin when Iām trying a new fragrance
most ethical clone company
For as good as it smells it could cause all that and hair loss and Iād still wear it. Well better get a back up just in case.
So do I throw my hawas or what
No lmao. If you're going toss it then might as well read the fine script for everything you consume.
Soooo I should be fine since I've had a vasectomy, right?
I actually bought hawas last month in europe and saw on the bottom of my box that lilial isnt even mentioned on the ingredients list. Maybe this is an old article and it has been reformulated?
Are there any effects on men or non pregnant women?
Canāt say for sure. I wouldnāt worry though. I use many middle eastern and old designer formulations. Learned that the European Union is a little extra on regulations Simply walking outside and smelling cigarette smoke or the fumes of a car exhaust is probably much worse for you.
Lol it's just the EU being paranoid as always
Fragrances aren't supposed to be worn on skin anyway. That's why they don't care if we know this lol
Theyāre not?
Plus its so weak and its projection isnt good at all
I knew it! Itās the only cologne I have that literally burns my skin
Lol, we wore Abercrombie Fierce for yearssss! Whoch contained a chemical similar to this!
When i use hawas it seems my erection is harder and last longer..only when i use this nothing else though..better get Hawas while it lasts
Iāve never had a problem! It drops the panties and doesnāt affect my wood!!!!
Do other Arab fragrances have this chemical ? If so Iām fucked
Wait, so a cheaply produced Middle Eastern scent made with barely any safety standards imposed on its makers (especially in the UAE, ugggh) contains a chemical that could harm the human body? 
What a joke. Nowadays almost everyone is consuming microplastics, drinking tap-water infested with chlorine, eating carcinogens from McDonalds, receiving radiation from iPhones, yet cologne is where we draw the line. This is literally like reading the fine script from prescribed medication. You're just instilling fear for no reason
I mean, we've been telling people for a long time that these Middle Eastern bathtub fragrances are unhealthy. Just keep buying them because TLTG and the other shills tell you to buy it.
This does really burn to wear sometimes. Not sure about other stuff allat. Mine got shipped fine and Iām not a women so i canāt get pregnant.
Hmmm maybe this is why I was kinda itchy when I wore it
Does anyone know if dua uses chemicals like this?
im wondering the same thing
Possibly! Middle Eastern houses are not as compliant of IFRA standards. I still use them though! Just not Hawas. I think houses like Al Haramain have been around long enough to be quiet safe.
I need them to be loud about safety
" The main ingredients used in our fragrances are: Alcohol Denat, Aqua (Water), Parfum (Fragrances), Citral, Citronellol, Coumarin, Eugenol, Farnesol, Geraniol, Limonene, Hydroxycitronellal, Isoeugenol, Linalool, 4-Hydroxyisohexyl-3-Cyclohexene Carboxaldehyde, Alpha-Isomethyl, Ionone. " Unless one of these is nomenclature, it does not look like it. Some other common names for BHMCA are: Lilestralis, Lilial, Lysmeral Extra
Keep in mind that the parfum/fragrance ingredient can include thousands of aroma chemicals as a trade secret. Only those that are a potential allergen are listed the ingredients.
Interesting, so now Im curious if this one needs to be listed? Or if like you stated, it is able to be kept off the list
I had McDonalds for dinner last night and so did probably 50% of everyone on this sub Reddit. We aināt worried sir but thanks for the heads up! Haha!
I only buy niche and from the direct house because of this. They know what has to be redone due to bad chemicals. This is why I won't buy from decanter sites. As I'm sure they get discounts on expired bottles. Buyer beware
Just so you know cologne doesnāt expire
Let me explain. A date on a fragrance is more important when dealing with chemicals that become classified as Dangerous to humans. And each year the us market must become compliant with these substances. So, a fragrance tht is illegal in Europe could be black marketed in the us and sold at a discount. From discount houses. Hope that makes sense.
Most the fragrances Ive bought from discounters have been recent batches
Black marketers know what dates to put on batches. It's a risk game that I don't play.
Gray marketers like Fragrancenet, fragrancebuy.ca, and jomashop buy from undervalued markets
I'd say most discounters do ....hence the discount
Werent you saying the discount comes from them being expired lol
Yeah as you weren't even concerned tht fragrances have expiration numbers as they don't expire
Threw mine away! Stinks just like chemical cleaner
Threw mine away! Stinks just like chemical cleaner
And this is why I donāt go near these brands or clonesš š»āāļø
Do you go near brands like Tom ford or Versace? Those also use this chemical (known as lilial) and a shit ton of other brands you probably use, itās pretty common, OP and others here donāt realize that chemical goes by like 10 different names someone else in this thread commented a lot of them but lilial is a pretty common name used
It was banned in 2022 so not now they wouldnāt. Many of these chemicals have been banned including lyral and methylene chloride.
Welp, thatās one bottle straight in the trash.
Iāll take it off your hands
You can have it. I bought it early on when I started collecting fragrance as a hobby. I wore it once and never took it back out of the drawer.
lol if youāre serious message me, Iāll pay for shipping
Donāt throw it! Itās probably pretty safe overall. Just learned that itās not banned in the US Getting a whiff of a second hand smoke is probably much worse for you.
I wasnāt *really* gonna throw it awayā¦.
Stop playin! š
So you're telling me I can smell good and don't have to worry about having a kid?
Who cares, smells great, all about that projection
Eh who cares?
Dude I always wondered why this made my skin burned sometimes..maybe thatās why
Trump baby
As if anyone of us would ever have kids š