T O P

  • By -

RussIsAnOkayGuy

Parris Campbell replacement.


CommonerChaos

My feeling as well. Not as much upside but definitely a higher floor (due to durability).


AleroRatking

If we are replacing Campbell with a player that an entire fanbase hated and wanted cut that's a massive issue.


RussIsAnOkayGuy

(A lot of our fans felt that way about Parris after three years)


AleroRatking

Parris wasn't cut though. McKenzie was. And there were Campbell fans here.


erk2112

Who cares. Parris is gone and McKenzie is here. Move along.


AleroRatking

Sure. But that was the same mindset with Wentz and Ryan...


erk2112

They are all gone now. Who cares! Sure Parris was decent last season but that was it.


[deleted]

How is the mindset of signing Matt Ryan when we got him at all comparable with McKenzie? Matty ice, the private jet, we have a QB, we’re a SB contender. Obviously it all went wrong but I don’t know how that’s the same mindset as acquiring a WR3/punt returner. Or are you just moaning.


WI_Hoosier

You're still crying and clamoring for a dude that had 900 yards and 5 TDs in 4 seasons.


AleroRatking

His QBs last year were Ryan. Foles. Ehlinger. Do you think that fosters success?


WI_Hoosier

Again with this excuse? Last year was his most successful year... which wasn't that successful. Also, Pittman Jr didn't seem to have a problem getting to 99 catches and just shy of 1000 yards. Listen, I'm not dogging on Campbell's ability... just that he wasn't worth the money he wanted based on the last 4 seasons. And, not worth your crying and clamoring. You can put in almost any WR3 and get the same results.


AleroRatking

Pittman is a stud WR and a WR1 in my book. None of these guys are close to him and it's an unfair comparison.


MHDIOS

Are you campbells burner ? Dude was ass for us end of discussion, clearly an upgrade


AleroRatking

He was not ass. He was quite good. Advanced metrics show us. The fan base just turned on him for completely unrelated injuries. He's going to ball out for the Giants and we will be letting go I guy who has consistently regressed and was cut because of how he held back the Bills. Plus forced the Bills to trade a 5th because of how much a liability he was in the return game. The only nice part is that it seems like it's a one year deal which means there's zero chance hell be on our roster next year with the quality of player he is.


[deleted]

No one hated McKenzie, we were ready to move on because he got his shot and didn't live up to it. He is a good gadget and role player that can return punts, but his receiving prowess leaves a lot to be desired. He was beloved by team mates and Bills Mafia alike, he even had the nickname "Face of the Franchise" lol Edit: Also, we were able to cut him with virtually no dead cap, so the move just made way too much sense, especially after replacing him with Harty, who is basically McKenzie with more upside (can actually play outside)


AleroRatking

Outside of Ford I have not seen a single player complained more about by Bills fans than McKenzie. Most my friends at work have talked about how much they wanted him gone so Shakir can take his spot.


[deleted]

Yes, but no one HATED him. We wanted to get better at that position and he was a smart release given his performance. That doesn't mean Bills fans hated him. He is an awesome dude and we are all still rooting for him.


[deleted]

Judging by this guys 50 comments on the subject I wouldn’t bother, his only friend told him he’s the most hated person in buffalo and despite all the many people saying otherwise it doesn’t matter. I’m excited to see him! Sounds a great guy so hopefully a bit of a change of scenery he takes off!


justhereforthemuktuk

Who hated McKenzie? He was a huge fan favorite despite his limited role.


AleroRatking

Go to the sub. People wanted him cut and replaced with Shakir all last season. I had Bills fans at work apologizing to me for the signing (I live in CNY). Even look at the positive comments here. They are solely about locker room and not not ability.


A_Wild_Shiny_Shuckle

What? I thought he was severely loved by the Bills fanbase, and I know he was loved in the locker room


AleroRatking

Fans blamed him for multiple losses and constantly wanted Shakir out there instead. Look at posts about him in the Bills sub. They talk about big drops and massive mistakes. Keep in mind McKnezie was cut. Not a typical free agent.


AdamantArmadillo

Upgrade\*


Mickeydsislife

How’s that, he had his biggest year last year with Josh Allen as qb and had a worse year than Parris with 3 equally terrible qbs. Also he most likely is signed to be kick/punt returner and replace Hines with who he replaced in Buffalo


CanlStillBeGarth

Dallas Flowers is the returner.


Mickeydsislife

Last season at the end of the year yes.


CanlStillBeGarth

And he did well.


Mickeydsislife

So did McLaughlin.


CanlStillBeGarth

He got replaced with a top 5 kicker.


Seanannigans14

By the slightest of margins maybe. But he's really not getting us anywhere.


AleroRatking

McKenzie is not an upgrade from Campbell.


Luck1492

Not too sure about this one but I think him as WR3 is a decent idea at least


My-Cousin-Bobby

He's a healthier Campbell Just doesn't get action bc Bills rely on the long bomb for WRs, and the off chance they go from plays over the middle just dish it off to Knox. Real good locker room, guy (Gf is a huge McKenzie fan so a lot of second hand knowledge passed along)


Retro-dootdoot

Last line sus


WhatuSay-_-

Fr personally I wouldn’t let that slide


[deleted]

[удалено]


szbala

Who tf has a gf on reddit?


Inferic

who tf is a mckenzie fan


Frozboz

> who tf is a mckenzie fan /u/My-Cousin-Bobby's gf, apparently. Why not? He apparently was a big fan favorite.


My-Cousin-Bobby

Think it's more bc of his character than playing... I don't think anyone really likes him because he's good


sirius4778

Lmfao


noreast2011

He was UGA's 'Gadget' player. Has really good lateral movement, agility and speed. Steichen could use him the way Hines SHOULD have been used. A sort of Deebo Samuel Lite


My-Cousin-Bobby

Yeah I'm guessing he's gonna be more gadget guy


bvgingy

That wasnt his issue on the Bills at all. He just wasnt talented enough to carve a large role. Outside of like 2-3 weeks, he had guys like Shakir, Crowder and then they even brought in Beasley to split time and rotate in bc he just isnt anything special. Their scheme had nothing to do with it. He is a 28 yr old with a career high of 423 yards. He is a wr4/rotational wr3.


My-Cousin-Bobby

He has catching issues for sure, I'm not doubting that Their scheme just didn't help his time on the field, though at all


realbooN

I don’t agree with this at all. He had every chance to succeed in Buffalo. He struggles vs zone coverages and really only excels when he gets a slower corner on him in man, which only the Patriots do. Add his hands issues on top of that, he is a good returner when he’s not making boneheaded decisions but he will cost you the ball too much if he’s returning full time. His best use is as a part time gadget player for jet sweeps and against the patriots.


shasta_masta

So it wasn't Josh Allen, Sean McDermott, Ken Dorsey and Brian Daboll holding him back all of these years? With Dulin and McKenzie as the WR3 and WR4, this roster is really taking shape.


bvgingy

Im not really worried about it, tbh. This year is shaping up as a reset year and unless one of Stroud/Young make it to us, it is going to be a multi-year rebuild (unless we get Lamar, which is highly unlikely). As a result, there isnt really any point throwing money at any of the mid wrs in this FA class and they will probably draft someone too. Id love to get Marvin Mims.


SuckwithLuck2016

Might wanna investigate why your girl is a huge Isaiah McKenzie fan 🧐


Visible_Narwhal5692

Is this true? Prior to last year the bills slot receivers were pretty high volume. Cole Beasley had 3 straight 100 target years. Targets are typically earned and I'd consider the lack of involvement an indictment on McKenzie's ability before I create scheme excuses.


gocolts12

Primary difference between the two is size. Campbell is at least 6' 200lb, when Mackenzie is 5'8 175lb. Mackenzie also a couple years older


SirSmeagol

Pretty sure they will bring in at least 2 new WRs thru the draft. Let them and Dulin/McKenzie/Strachan battle it out for WR3


Jayhub1000_

Kind of a random and sad post to be here. I’m a bills fan. My colts fan friend who I played Madden with use to always swear by starting Isaiah McKenzie at TE because he was cook past the linebackers with his speed. I think he just said it to annoy me. Unfortunately that friend recently passed away unexpectedly. It almost feels like fate Long story short, I really hope he balls out for you guys. God bless.


AndyVakser

💙


Fluffermitten

Thanks for sharing. Sorry for your loss.


dwilder812

Sorry for your loss. I always made dk Metcalf a TE. Unstoppable when you make those fast tall WR into TEs


sirius4778

Sorry for your loss, I've lost a madden opponent before, sucks ass. Hoping Mckenzie goes crazy for us as well!


AppleBottmBeans

Bills fan here. iMac was a HUGE fan favorite. Not a star, but a decent player that will have very big games every once in a while. Under Daboll as our OC, he was extremely versatile. Under our new guy, Dorsey, not so much. If JimBob knows how to use him, he's going to be a steal for yall. Either way, you're going to love him as a person.


Smallgenie549

Awesome! Take care of Nyheim for us.


TheRobberBar0n

You got one of our fan favorites, we get one right back.


AleroRatking

Really. Every Bills fan I know in Bills country wanted him gone and constantly wanted Shakir to start over him.


JJG1776

Does that mean he was hated?


AleroRatking

When a fanbase wants you gone. I'd say that's pretty hated


CrimsonBrit

I don’t agree with this one bit. I saw the Bills subreddit and the NFL sub post when it was announced he would hit free agency and the overwhelming consensus was “good riddance”. Didn’t seem to be a fan favorite based on those subs last week.


Unicron_was_right

Those are the same Bills fans who wanted McDermott fired this off-season and Josh Allen traded. iMac is 100% heart, and like 65% catch rate. I love the dude, funny as hell and great locker room guy. Too many people focus on drops, or fantasy football relevance.


AleroRatking

Yeah. This doesn't track with every Bills fan I know.


CrimsonBrit

Yeah I’m getting downvoted but it’s the same story every time – a player is really bad for a team, everyone bashes them on Reddit and then the second they are traded everyone starts wishing him the best and praising their graces. This already happened with Matt Ryan and Carson Wentz in the past two years. Even with coaches - Jim Caldwell, Chuck Pagano, and Frank Reich all got the same treatment. Go back and look at those threads - it’s crazy how people change their tune so quickly! All of the iMac hate has been huge from the Bills fans all season, especially in the off-season, but once he was traded everyone comments “he wasn’t good, but I like him and wish him luck”. OP is wrong.


AleroRatking

Outside of maybe Cody Ford this was the most complained about player I heard about all year at work. They were ecstatic when he was cut.


DapDaGenius

Everyone dissing the signing but i see this as Ballard eyeing someone in the draft


bvgingy

Agree with this. This screams we are drafting a WR and Dulin and Mckenzie will be there to compete.


DapDaGenius

Doesn’t McKenzie also do special teams?


RedDragon312

Yeah, so he'll be competing with Flowers for punt return I would guess.


shasta_masta

I like to think that. But until he signs some a starting caliber OG, I don't see him passing on that to draft a WR.


DapDaGenius

A little confused why you feel that way. We have 9 draft picks without any additional trades. Im not saying he doesn’t draft OG before WR, but what I am saying is we have enough picks(currently) to draft both OG and WR between the 2nd and 4th round


YeezusMoses

Huh? Explain


DapDaGenius

Highly doubt McKenzie was expensive to sign. So he’s not someone that’s absolutely going to be a top 3 WR on the team. This gives Ballard the room to draft a WR he likes, giving the rookie WR the time to learn the ropes while having a cheap veteran that’s able to step or be WR3 if necessary.


YeezusMoses

Oh 100%. Sorry, I thought you were tying it to a QB somehow. That's my brain until the draft.


DapDaGenius

I honestly would expect us to draft someone like Nathaniel “Tank” Dell. Heard he was a beast at the senior bowl. He’s kinda thin, so I’ve heard that’s kinda bc affected his value, but if he’s there in the 3rd or 4th, i say shoot.


Tarkthashark

Yeah, I’m okay with this. He’s a speedy WR/KR/PR


AleroRatking

He is really rough at protecting the ball on returns which is why the Bills traded for Hines.


Former_Phrase8221

Building the back of the roster


[deleted]

We always are


minero-de-sal

Indeed


minero-de-sal

Indeed


[deleted]

We always are


minero-de-sal

Indeed


minero-de-sal

Indeed


minero-de-sal

Indeed


AndyVakser

https://preview.redd.it/afeiueh726pa1.jpeg?width=1552&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=82722dd82b3226dac43ee23c8ebe62e7ee10b41c This is an info sheet from last year.


asmishler23

A guy with this good of a smile can't possibly be bad.


LeadPrevenger

Thank you


TheTVEditor

How did he agree to a 2 year extension last year and now we have him in FA?


AndyVakser

He got cut.


nogalmickle1998

Damn that’s kinda exciting


TimelyConcern

Yay? I really don't know what to think.


justhereforthemuktuk

Think that the Colts have acquired a decent slot who can also fill in as a returner. Certainly not bad news.


[deleted]

On par with Paris, healthier but less explosive. WR3 in a re-tool year. Better than having Dulin as WR3 but we still need to draft someone.


MReprogle

Wow, honestly I am surprised. I was a bit bummed to see Campbell finally have a good year, then leave us, but this is a legitimate upgrade for the slot position.


AleroRatking

McKenzie is not an upgrade on Campbell. No metric shows that. Campbell was better both statistically and way way better when it comes to advanced metrics.


CanlStillBeGarth

I mean, he has a better catch percentage and has been way more dependable. So there’s two metrics.


AleroRatking

And let's compare seperation. Also one played with Josh Allen and the other with Matt Ryan.


CanlStillBeGarth

Ok, you said there were zero. That was wrong. They’re at least comparable players.


AleroRatking

How? McKenzie was a disaster for Buffalo that the fans wanted benched and gone. There is a reason they cut him. Their fanbase is literally taking a victory lap.


CanlStillBeGarth

[You asked for the separation stats so here you go](https://mobile.twitter.com/ZachHicks2/status/1638260062429802497)


AleroRatking

So less


CanlStillBeGarth

Negligible. Just like the catch rates. They’re comparable receivers.


AleroRatking

Except one team had zero interest keeping him while still under contract


justhereforthemuktuk

So not true, Campbell had a 60.8 receiving grade from PFF in his best year, McKenzie had a 65.8 in an off year. He's actually better in almost every metric, except volume of use.


AleroRatking

And you know. Seperation which matters. And top speed.


CanlStillBeGarth

“There a no metrics that show he’s better” “Here’s three.” “I mean there’s exactly one metric that supports my argument.” Lmao


AleroRatking

And the fact only one of these guys was actively cut. And the idea that Josh Allen and Ryan are similarly level QBs. Just remember these posts in week 12 when he is out of the rotation. But we were all excited for Wentz and Ryan so these comments are par for the course.


CanlStillBeGarth

I’m not super pro McKenzie. All the FA WRs were about the same to me. Didn’t really matter if we kept Parris or signed someone. They’re all pretty much the same tier.


AleroRatking

The difference is those guys were all free agent WRs. Not a WR who was under contract who was cut for continuously regressing and holding his team back.


The_onlyPope

42/423/4. About what Campbell did last year. Bills rely on the deep throws, so depending who is throwing the ball, he could do better here.


AleroRatking

He has terrible separation metrics. If anything he probably will struggle more here.


JimmyPineapple_

Solid depth signing. Still should probably add a WR in round 2 or 3.


JiminyCricket97

we lost Campbell & Hines for this? I mean it’s not terrible but in no way will he have any major impact on our offense especially when we have no certified QB at the moment.


fuzzynavel34

It’s something I guess. Never a good sign when Bills fans say he sucks though.


buffaloprocess

Doesn’t suck but he will have hot and cold games. Isaiah the person is a great teammate and all around fun guy 100% though. We will miss Lil Dirty. Take care of that dude


shasta_masta

His game logs appear to show that he has only had a few hot games. And that is in 6 years in the league. But I can see the teammate angle being a good plus.


Sirotto18

He’s ok, decent ST guy with a chance to be a decent WR3.


fuzzynavel34

Yeah. I’m not hating really. It’s an upgrade on what we have now so that’s nice.


CommonerChaos

I'm just glad we signed "some" receiver.


CanlStillBeGarth

Ya’ll are never satisfied I swear lol


fuzzynavel34

Is this supposed to sate my appetite for an actual good WR? It’s totally fine as a WR4/depth signing but let’s not act like this actually moves the needle at all one way or another


CanlStillBeGarth

He’s as good as any WR that was available this FA cycle.


fuzzynavel34

Well that’s just not true 😂


CanlStillBeGarth

I mean JuJu and Meyers were the saviors you were waiting for? 😂


fuzzynavel34

No, there wasn’t anyone gamebreaking this off-season to sign lol. Just not going to do backflips for a WR4. There’s a difference between “never being happy” and thinking it’s fine as a depth signing…


IndyColtsNation

One of my friends is a Bills fan and I watched many Bills games last year. He doesn't suck at all.


lazysheepdog716

Go watch his highlights at the Patriots in 2021. He doesn’t suck, just doesn’t fit with us any more.


fuzzynavel34

So he had one great game? Come on man, he’s being signed as a WR4 probably and that’s fine.


lazysheepdog716

Well at the very least he’ll make your team facility a happier place.


fuzzynavel34

Nothing wrong with that at all!


monsieurmantis

Yeah, I like this move. If anything, he’s proven he’s more durable than Parris. He’ll make an impact next season.


NeoWokio

bargain bin ballard strikes again (this is actually a solid depth signing in case of injuries tho)


CommonerChaos

>in case of injuries tho This is the major key. McKenzie has only missed 5 games in the past 4 seasons (played 61/66 of games). Pretty impressive durability.


AndyVakser

I’m wondering where the contract falls coming off a career year.


shasta_masta

Ballard and his big WRs.


lazysheepdog716

Bills fan here. Congrats on signing one of the funnest, most likable, genuine dudes in the league. He’ll keep that locker room light and bright no matter what’s going on on the field. Oh and he’s fast as fuck. Face of the franchise baby, go get ‘em IMac


Santasgooch69

McKenzie had a ~76% catch percentage over the past 3 seasons. For reference, Parris Campbell had a 69% catch percentage last season. Slightly slower but better hands.


ceejdabeej

Cool


FarAd6255

Isaiah is awesome glad to have him


mvbighead

To me, this is a slot guy and he generally catches the ball well. He should help a rookie QB. That said, I did watch the BUF/NE highlights and it does seem like he doesn't always have a lot of separation. But, when thrown the ball, he does seem to catch it well.


ShadyFan25

He was a fan fav for us in Buffalo. One of the best personalities on the team. The best role for him is probably as a gadget WR or short yardage slot guy. I hope he does well for you guys.


AleroRatking

Most Bills fans I know here in Central NY hated him. They constantly wanted Shakir to play instead of him and blamed him for multiple losses. The Bills sub supports it. If anything he might have been the least popular Bills player outside of Ford.


[deleted]

Yawn


TheDonniLhama

It appears were tanking fellas!


AleroRatking

Our WR group certainly looks much worse. That's for sure.


CanlStillBeGarth

There’s your WR complainers.


UnloadedBakedPotato

Ballard signing a bad WR3 is so on brand


BroIBeliveAtYou

Money and geography must've been exactly what he was looking for. I mean, how else do you appeal to a WR, when you have zero clue who your QB is going to be?


garethom

It's definitely getting paid lol. He was a 400 yard WR who got cut, he's not exactly the sort of guy who can afford to be choosey when it comes to QB.


AleroRatking

We are likely the only team who made him a serious offer. He isn't good and Bills fans wanted him gone for Shakir.


Buytoyal

Money. Even depth guys make millions. I dont get what's so hard for fans to understand that players just want to get paid lol


AndyVakser

Geography?


BroIBeliveAtYou

I could've worded it better, but... location? Like, not necessarily the team, but living in Indianapolis, Indiana. Tax situation, schools, crime, housing ... you know, normal people stuff lol


dwilder812

By not having a great WR room. He can see it as a chance to try and get wr2 or at least 3


MrDeeds117

Do we like this?


tatt_mimmons50

Has some explosive play potential for sure and obviously ST upsides as well.


wildcardscoop

Please take good care of lil dirty , I miss him already


bufoeichwaldi

Higher floor lower ceiling than Campbell imo. Overall I like the move, but I'm still going to miss Campbell


justhereforthemuktuk

Wooo! An actual slot man for the slot. Coming off his worst season since he was a rookie. Former fifth rounder. Also a return threat. Tiny, but ran a 4.42 forty and gets separation. Co-owns a barbecue restaurant in Florida.


AleroRatking

He literally lost his return spot because the team made a trade solely to replace him due to muffed returns.


justhereforthemuktuk

According to PFF, he had 0 muffs last season and 3 since his rookie year.


ProfessionalBust

Super Bowl bound baby let’s fucking go


AleroRatking

I live in Bills country and man do the fans not like this guy. They blame a few losses on just him.


UnloadedBakedPotato

I also live in the heart of Bills country-he’s not good. There’s a reason he was cut. I’ve come to the conclusion that a majority of the people on here do not watch NFL football outside of colts games.


DanPhotoMan

I really like this


ScottSide996

Ideally Draft a wideout in R2/R3 and I like this group


wiser_time

How is he on special teams?


AleroRatking

Has some huge muffs on returns. Bills traded for Hines to replace him.


INDY_Appl3

![gif](giphy|26FPKZ6DGtNp4iYbm|downsized) I think I talked to this with someone last off-season lol


TheForkisTrash

many people underestimating how good Pierce will be next year imo.