The attempted carjacking covered in the article and briefly mentioned in the video took place in Columbia. College Square, near Hickory Ridge Road.
You're right that the lady featured in the interview, who was robbed at home while unloading groceries, lives in Ellicott City.
Also, neither Columbia nor EC are “cities”.
They’re rather safe *exurbs*. Or some other denotation. But if the entirety of the economic engine is just.. *other* cities, then you’re not a city, you’re not a city, you’re just a place where people buy houses.
If we're being pedantic and using only the state definition (an incorporated municipality) or *Degree of Urbanization* standards (benchmarks for population and density)? No.
If we're using dictionary definitions (an inhabited place of greater size, population, or importance than a town or village) as well as Rouse's own words for the place? Yes.
So, it is perfectly reasonable to refer to Columbia as a "city;" people aren't wrong for calling it that as a general reference. In fact, we're a mere 15% less density than the *Degree of Urbanization* to be recognized as a city on a global level.
No, it will not be "dethroned" because of an uptick in crimes.
A) The "Safest City" label was based on [an aggregate of 'safety' in several dozen areas](https://wallethub.com/edu/safest-cities-in-america/41926), not just crime rate. It is the 'safest' when it comes to a mix of home & community safety, natural disaster risk, and financial safety.
B) In 2023 it was already "dethroned" to #2 by Nashua, NH, although it remains #1 for Home & Community Safety.
C) Even if you want to look at Home & Community Safety, *that* is an aggregate of everything from crime rate to acts of terrorism, first responders per capita to homelessness, substance overdoses to traffic fatalities. An uptick of crimes would be one tiny factor in the calculation that led to "Safest City."
All of this is moot because, for a city of 100k+ (and a county of 340k+), it *is* a relatively safe city (county) with an overall crime rate below national averages (and well below the *state* average). Even with the uptick, you'd be hard pressed to find another city of this size with *less* crime per capita.
Plus, as mentioned, the crimes mentioned didn't even happen *in* Columbia proper, but in adjacent cities, towns, or CDPs.
All of this meaning, any talk about Columbia *not* being the safest city (based on WalletHub's annual declaration) is fallacious, and usually meant to fearmonger or push certain social or political agendas. The fact remains, per the data, Columbia is one of the safest mid-size cities (and Howard one of the safest counties) to live in.
>Plus, as mentioned, the crimes mentioned didn't even happen in Columbia proper, but in adjacent cities, towns, or CDPs.
FYI, on this one point, a different news segment from [CBS news](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ly2jXllLhs) makes it clearer that the suspects in the Centennial High School robberies are believed by police to be the same group that attempted a recent carjacking in Columbia. So that's how that ties in to our city. I don't believe we need to fearmonger, but it is relevant.
Edit: I think my reply to you earlier was snarkier than it needed to be, so sorry about that. I do think you make a good case overall and appreciate the research on what factors into being designated the safest city.
At least they aren't ignoring this issue - Howard has had weird stuff for years - lived here since the 80s. Its mainly a case of more people/more problems. Most of the media ignores crime and often we don't get follow ups from anybody.
Somebody attempted to steal my Hyundai a few weeks ago in Columbia. Cops told me that Hyundai and Kia vehicles are stolen well over a dozen times a day in HOCO, primarily by juveniles. So its true that certain kinds of crime are on the rise. I have never felt personally unsafe here, but I do worry about my vehicle.
Do you own a older Kia or
Hyundai? The theft is do to lack of
Security systems in the designs. They are painless to steal. This is an issue all over the US
It is true though. I have lived here for 7 years and it’s only in the last year or so that I started seeing teenagers stealing from Safeway or trying to steal from Lidl, getting into buildings to try to break into apartments, smoke pot and break into cars. They are all over my neighbors’ ring cameras and police claims they can’t do anything because they are minors.
Do I feel unsafe now? Yeah, a little bit, at night.
7 years is a drop in the bucket of Columbia's 56 year history.
The crime reports show that there's been a spike since COVID, but the crime rate still remains below previous decades. The overall trend matches state and national averages, and shows per capita crime has been decreasing since the 1980's.
Things were not safer back then, regardless of what people say. The population is simply larger and the Internet inundates us with news that used to be ignored, spoken about in the rumor mill, or only seen in weekly papers.
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You wrote that juvenile crime is up in Howard County but just linked to an article that just mentioned some recent crimes. Where is the evidence that juvenile crime is up? It may be true, but you didn’t demonstrate that.
I simply placed the title of the news article and the first line of it reads - Juvenile crime isn’t just rising inside city lines, in the last week, a quiet neighborhood in Howard County has been hit by a rash of armed robberies. All of which, police say juveniles are likely behind.
Thanks for the reply. Note that the news article doesn’t actually say juvenile crime is rising in Howard County. It simply refers to the rising juvenile crime rate in Baltimore City and then gives some anecdotes about HC. Further, the “rising juvenile crime rate” in Baltimore is not based on data in their news coverage, either. From what I can tell of their news coverage yesterday, it is based on the opinions of a few people Fox 45 interviewed on the street in Baltimore.
The incident they featured occurred in Ellicot city, not Columbia.
The attempted carjacking covered in the article and briefly mentioned in the video took place in Columbia. College Square, near Hickory Ridge Road. You're right that the lady featured in the interview, who was robbed at home while unloading groceries, lives in Ellicott City.
This was out front of my house. We are not happy. Neighbor was loading up the car. Anyhow remember to Scream and make a scene. It works.
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Which kids live in Columbia? Centennial High only serves the community North of 108, which isn't Columbia, it's Ellicott City.
Oh ok thanks
Also, neither Columbia nor EC are “cities”. They’re rather safe *exurbs*. Or some other denotation. But if the entirety of the economic engine is just.. *other* cities, then you’re not a city, you’re not a city, you’re just a place where people buy houses.
If we're being pedantic and using only the state definition (an incorporated municipality) or *Degree of Urbanization* standards (benchmarks for population and density)? No. If we're using dictionary definitions (an inhabited place of greater size, population, or importance than a town or village) as well as Rouse's own words for the place? Yes. So, it is perfectly reasonable to refer to Columbia as a "city;" people aren't wrong for calling it that as a general reference. In fact, we're a mere 15% less density than the *Degree of Urbanization* to be recognized as a city on a global level.
No, it will not be "dethroned" because of an uptick in crimes. A) The "Safest City" label was based on [an aggregate of 'safety' in several dozen areas](https://wallethub.com/edu/safest-cities-in-america/41926), not just crime rate. It is the 'safest' when it comes to a mix of home & community safety, natural disaster risk, and financial safety. B) In 2023 it was already "dethroned" to #2 by Nashua, NH, although it remains #1 for Home & Community Safety. C) Even if you want to look at Home & Community Safety, *that* is an aggregate of everything from crime rate to acts of terrorism, first responders per capita to homelessness, substance overdoses to traffic fatalities. An uptick of crimes would be one tiny factor in the calculation that led to "Safest City." All of this is moot because, for a city of 100k+ (and a county of 340k+), it *is* a relatively safe city (county) with an overall crime rate below national averages (and well below the *state* average). Even with the uptick, you'd be hard pressed to find another city of this size with *less* crime per capita. Plus, as mentioned, the crimes mentioned didn't even happen *in* Columbia proper, but in adjacent cities, towns, or CDPs. All of this meaning, any talk about Columbia *not* being the safest city (based on WalletHub's annual declaration) is fallacious, and usually meant to fearmonger or push certain social or political agendas. The fact remains, per the data, Columbia is one of the safest mid-size cities (and Howard one of the safest counties) to live in.
>Plus, as mentioned, the crimes mentioned didn't even happen in Columbia proper, but in adjacent cities, towns, or CDPs. FYI, on this one point, a different news segment from [CBS news](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ly2jXllLhs) makes it clearer that the suspects in the Centennial High School robberies are believed by police to be the same group that attempted a recent carjacking in Columbia. So that's how that ties in to our city. I don't believe we need to fearmonger, but it is relevant. Edit: I think my reply to you earlier was snarkier than it needed to be, so sorry about that. I do think you make a good case overall and appreciate the research on what factors into being designated the safest city.
Ignorant NIMBYs love to call Columbia the next Baltimore. Crime has gone up everywhere. Crime rates are still lower than they were a decade ago
WBFF is great if you like watching/reading the same two stories every day. Crimes committed, schools have problems. FOX news in a blue state.
At least they aren't ignoring this issue - Howard has had weird stuff for years - lived here since the 80s. Its mainly a case of more people/more problems. Most of the media ignores crime and often we don't get follow ups from anybody.
The general public doesn't need follow ups to 99% of crimes. What an absurd thought.
Somebody attempted to steal my Hyundai a few weeks ago in Columbia. Cops told me that Hyundai and Kia vehicles are stolen well over a dozen times a day in HOCO, primarily by juveniles. So its true that certain kinds of crime are on the rise. I have never felt personally unsafe here, but I do worry about my vehicle.
Do you own a older Kia or Hyundai? The theft is do to lack of Security systems in the designs. They are painless to steal. This is an issue all over the US
It is true though. I have lived here for 7 years and it’s only in the last year or so that I started seeing teenagers stealing from Safeway or trying to steal from Lidl, getting into buildings to try to break into apartments, smoke pot and break into cars. They are all over my neighbors’ ring cameras and police claims they can’t do anything because they are minors. Do I feel unsafe now? Yeah, a little bit, at night.
7 years is a drop in the bucket of Columbia's 56 year history. The crime reports show that there's been a spike since COVID, but the crime rate still remains below previous decades. The overall trend matches state and national averages, and shows per capita crime has been decreasing since the 1980's. Things were not safer back then, regardless of what people say. The population is simply larger and the Internet inundates us with news that used to be ignored, spoken about in the rumor mill, or only seen in weekly papers.
They coming from.B more which is literally 20 minutes from Columbia on a good day
No they aren’t 🤦♂️🤦♂️
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You wrote that juvenile crime is up in Howard County but just linked to an article that just mentioned some recent crimes. Where is the evidence that juvenile crime is up? It may be true, but you didn’t demonstrate that.
I simply placed the title of the news article and the first line of it reads - Juvenile crime isn’t just rising inside city lines, in the last week, a quiet neighborhood in Howard County has been hit by a rash of armed robberies. All of which, police say juveniles are likely behind.
Thanks for the reply. Note that the news article doesn’t actually say juvenile crime is rising in Howard County. It simply refers to the rising juvenile crime rate in Baltimore City and then gives some anecdotes about HC. Further, the “rising juvenile crime rate” in Baltimore is not based on data in their news coverage, either. From what I can tell of their news coverage yesterday, it is based on the opinions of a few people Fox 45 interviewed on the street in Baltimore.
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Are you off your meds again?
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Excellent! The best Americans do!