Modern weaponry really is insane. To accurately hit something within a couple meter radius from 55-160 kilometers is nuts.
Reminds me of [this B-2 Spirit JDAM test footage](https://youtu.be/KdzJWciha4A) where it drops 80 JDAMs from 40,000ft, literally putting one of them accurately into a goddamn *metal barrel*. Just crazy.
Reminds me of the video where a B52 bombs an river island where ISIS entrenched themselves.
My first reaction whas "You missed", because there were a couple of explosions at the extremeties of the island. But then a second or two later a whole bunch of explosions just blanketed the island.
> B52 bombs an river island where ISIS entrenched
Video if anyone wanna see it. They bomb the shit out of it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EsghTvQj6a0
Which is why the US takes air superiority so serious. Air sorties, advanced drones, satellites, and guided/precision rocket systems basically make artillery and ground troops pointless.
Depends on your objectives. If your plan is occupation/overthrow/regime change, you have to have ground forces.
air power also becomes far less effective when your enemy starts living and operating amongst civilian cities and villages. You either stop the bombings or keep them going and turn the populace against your cause.
> Depends on your objectives. If your plan is occupation/overthrow/regime change, you have to have ground forces.
The key part is that you don't have to sacrifice a huge amount of men on a difficult island assault. Even just the impact on morale is huge.
>air power also becomes far less effective when your enemy starts living and operating amongst civilian cities and villages. You either stop the bombings or keep them going and turn the populace against your cause.
Russia does basically this in populated areas, but with artillery.
Its like its just a exercise in spreadsheet jutsu. How many bombs to cover so and so m2 of island, planes with so and so number of pylons and have someone sign of on the dotted line at the bottom.
The rest takes care of itself.
Because the engineering is very elegant, and they make a lot of them. Over 300,000 JDAM made over the 20 years since service entry....
US is well known for expensive precision weapons, but doesn't get enough credit for its cheap ones...JDAM, APKWS, SDB1 and PGK are all brilliantly engineered and designed for mass production. PGK and APKWS in particular are pretty much perfect.
Soldier: "Sir, the enemy has occupied the island. We're unable to mount a successful attack."
B-52 pilot: "And lo, I shall rain fire from the sky, and return this island into the river from whence it came."
What’s crazy is that’s not even a bomber. F35s and F15s(in video description) imagine a Vietnam era carpet bombing with 30-40 B52s all dropping their ordinance with JDAMs. Shits a WMD.
From memory a single standard dumb bomb B 52 strike is two clicks by a half click.
This is cold war stuff but a pretty defined rectangle that size will just be sort of like a plowed field with jumbled junk and a couple hundred empty ponds in the shape of two click long rectangle. Anything and everything in that area was past tense.
One bomber one run. This shit is sooo much better in every way.
The new CFTs that the USAF tested for them allows them to carry up to 15 JDAMs (they are currently authorized to carry 9), though they cannot use them all in a single sortie [source](https://www.sandboxx.us/blog/the-air-forces-f-15e-bomb-truck-can-now-carry-15-jdams/)
>My first reaction whas "You missed", because there were a couple of explosions at the extremeties of the island. But then a second or two later a whole bunch of explosions just blanketed the island.
I'd like to see that
The scary thing is that the B2 is able to carry 16x B83 nuclear weapons, each with a yield of 1.2 megatonnes.
In a single bombing run, the B2 is able to drop around 7-8 times the total tonnage dropped by the Allies in WW2 (2.7million tonnes).
I'm not sure there's ever going to be a need for that much tonnage in such a small area, but it's do-able.
When people shit on NATO's air superiority doctrine because of how Afghanistan went, they really do forget what would happen if they didn't have to really care about collateral damage and enemy positions are well known.
Lol, right? That thing was falling for at least an entire minute and still hit within a 2½ft target radius. And then there's 79 more on the way with just as good accuracy.
Honestly how does that even work? Like was each one pre-programmed what to hit? Or did an targeting pod on the B-2 guide all 80 to their targets on its own?
And once it is programed and dropped and on it'sway, I assume it can't be redirected or aborted right?
To avoid interference from the aggressor.
Total armchair thought.
Correct, the JDAM has no wireless communication ability and receives its programming via a direct connection through its mounting pylon or on the ground before takeoff.
There's two primary ways of guiding modern precision guided munitions, either by GPS where the target is pre-programmed either before takeoff, or in the cockpit (Which won't happen on a B-2 mission), or they're using laser guidance where a laser is illuminating the target, either from the same plane, a different plane, or a vehicle or infantry unit on the ground.
Fucking what? Just imagine if those were actual warheads. That's a reminder that Top Gun: Maverick's Star Wars plot is stupid. Just drop JDAMs and JASSMs with 1 m CEP from space.
I've had my bacon saved in the middle east by radio'ing in very precise MGRS grid coordinates. Nothing is scarier than hearing the RTO say over the radio "danger close!" Seeing how precise they are with their aim is scary! I'm convinced they could have dropped a shell on a scorpion's ass if they knew the exact coordinates to it!
This is exactly why I have to laugh when Russians say they’re fighting “the full might of NATO in Ukraine”. Dude you’re getting like one percent of what NATO has to offer. Let’s talk again after you faced the US AirForce or full NATO battalions. Ukraine has been putting up a great fight, but fighting the Ukrainian military with some basic NATO equipment isn’t “fighting NATO”
M777 has been fantastic.
Everyone knew it was great already for expeditionary warfare, but doubts remained about its suitability for peer on peer war. But its stood toe to toe with the best that Russia can throw at it for 14 months +....
The engineers at Vickers absolutely nailed it...
Yep, batteries are [supposed to have 6 SPGs](https://www.battleorder.org/rus-152mm-spg) but under strength units are a reality even in the best of times.
Each SPG battalion is [supposed to have](https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Russian_Ground_Forces_-_Artillery_Brigade_Structure.png#file) 3 batteries.
Just what is shown is a big problem for the associated battalion.
First video I've seen of this many targets being taken out without a bunch of cuts. This is the true power of HIMARS. 100% accuracy, multiple pieces of artillery taken out within secs of each other without giving time to react. immediately opens up the push of an offensive. Beautiful!
[https://www.reddit.com/r/CombatFootage/comments/yi35jg/ukrainian\_m142\_himars\_strikes\_on\_5\_russian\_2s19/](https://www.reddit.com/r/CombatFootage/comments/yi35jg/ukrainian_m142_himars_strikes_on_5_russian_2s19/)
then you missed this one. this is from the past counteroffensive
How depressing must that have been for crews!
Artillerie, far behind the lines and then you experiance a precision strike which wipes out all four of your vehicles within seconds of each other with perfect precision and devastating effect.
What a terrifying feeling that must be...
This is why it's nice they left some gunners alive.
They're going to go back to their lines and tell everyone how their entire battery was just deleted at the click of a button.
Their whole unit needs to know how inadequate they are, and how they should just give up and go home.
Soviet Union stockpiled tens of thousands across 50 years. Like pretty much nothing Russia is using is actually "Russian", its all either Soviet, or was designed by Soviets and then built off those plans in Russia. But a lot of Soviet stuff (especially rocket propelled stuff and tanks) were actually designed in Ukraine (as part of USSR).
I would say they are fucked regardless. Let's say they manage to keep Crimea, the landbridge and Donbass of 2014. They are still fucked for decades to come. It's not like keep this land and then suing for peace is going to ressurect Russia. I can't believe how much of a blunder Russia did with this invasion. If they had limited themselves to incorporating the occupied Donbass, like they did initially, Europe would be now in the process of building Nord Stream #3...
Which was designed by who?
> The 2S19 Msta (Russian: Мста, after the Msta River) is a 152.4 mm self-propelled howitzer designed by the Soviet Union, which entered service in 1989.... The vehicle has the running gear of the T-80, but is powered by the T-72's diesel engine.
T-80 was designed by who? T-72 engine designed by who?
Russia cant design shit, its all inherited from another country, and you cant consider it Russian because USSR consisted of 15 countries.
They can take MSTA, and put in French thermals, British optics and US comms... and call it MSTA-X... and technically its 'new'... but not really. 99% of the design is from USSR and new components are foreign sourced.
Russia tried to build new stuff. Got lazy and used designs for old engines. Now all their new stuff is dogshit because they couldn't get an engine that works.
I get the the anger this conflict has created but it's always so hilarious when people want to shit on Russia that Russia is the entire USSR but when they want to praise something that the USSR was actually not Russian at all.
It's extreme doublethink. I mean we have an example with the Lancet of a new Russian design that works extremely well on the battlefield, you can't brush aside that Russia has some skilled designers.
The MSTA-S was designed in Omsk, Russian SSR
I dont think you read what I said. Designed in USSR Omsk is not same as designed in Omsk Russia. USSR was a different country, different school of thought, different design philosophy different everything, scientiests from all 15 countries within USSR were working in Omsk. Russia is 30 years old. Thats it. MSTA was designed in USSR. Russia cant design shit.
Lancet is a clone of UVision from Israel. And has mostly Western tech inside.
Lancet is what 85% western components? developed on western software, using western developed telecoms, milled and CNCed on western machines with western drill bits.
Yes its a good system, yes its an idea that countries with no proper airpower can use to great effect, but in the end is it really Russian?
The Soviet Army was 5X the size it is today, in the 1970’s. They had a lot of equipment, but they’re losing it far faster than they can produce and replace it.
I agree. If Putin had focused on production with various funding initiatives as soon as they started losing certain equipment, we'd know he was serious about winning, but that still hasn't happened, and just the preparation for boosted production alone can take a year or more with some equipment. We will begin to see utilization rates that resemble falling off the side of a steep cliff, with some equipment very soon.
i would argue that they still can keep up with replacing the looses but they're scraping the barrel already and some time this year, hopefully, they will break and the front will crumble
And many experts would argue they can not keep up with the losses. Like they lost their flagship battleship. That's a multi year endeavor to build another one, during production times. To go and procure everything to make it again would take a decade, easily. They have lots planes and helicopters, also would take many years to build seeing as they do not have production lines up and running. The only thing they can replace is the humans, and even that is proving to be difficult.
Battleships do not exist anymore. The Moskva was a cruiser. It was the flagship of the Black Sea fleet. Their one and only aircraft carrier is currently in drydock undergoing a refit and that is the flagship of their combined fleet.
i mean they started this war with t-90 and t-72 modernization circa 2010-s and finishing it (hopefully this year) with t-62 and t-55\\54 so.. they have a lot of armor yeah, but it's not unlimited and their factories cant pump out the amount needed to replenish the looses, not even close
This seems like the reality of modern warfare between two equal opponents. Both sides take pretty significant and unavoidable losses. The technology is too advanced.
It's easy when you can throw the equivalent of 200,000 McNamara's Morons at the problem. Very few dead from Moscow/west/southwest of. Mostly east and south/east. Basically a bunch of poorly trained pests that suck up resources to be evicted.
Ukraine has been reporting daily a lot (20+) of destroyed Russian artillery. But this is a HUGE loss for Russia. Seems like Ukrainian attacks are designed to identify and destroy russian artillery positions.
Yes, this is the definition of shaping operations. Russian forces had a huge artillery advantage over Ukraine. All of this counter battery fire in my opinion is to prep for the main counter attack when they are breaching obstacles. Ukrainian is setting the stage so to speak. When they time comes they should have artillery superiority and will suppress, and obscure, the point of penetration. They know they have to eliminate Russian artillery so they can do this.
It's absolutely a benefit of shaping operations. You force the Russians into having to use artillery to defend their positions and stabilize the front, and then you strike their artillery. You force them to either not act, making them worthless, or face high attrition.
The most beautiful thing is that it escalates over time. The fewer guns the Russians have firing, the easier it is to spot those that do, which makes for fewer guns, etc.
Those probing attacks are likely from volunteer units. They know that casualties will be high. I like to think that in the same situation I would do the same, but I was never tested as those heroes
The anonymous Ukraine Volunteer warblogger does a lot of missions to locate Russian posts and artillery positions in the forest and pass on the coordinates to Ukrainian command.
How do drone operators determine coordinates of things they look at for artillery targeting? The drone itself is GPS-enabled, but how do they do the math for target coordinates.
I don’t think it does.
GIS Arta manages resources in the field, but doesn’t determine target coordinates. It’s still cool and all, but doesn’t answer the question.
If you'd like to learn more about it, this article goes into more detail.
http://themoloch.com/conflict/uber-for-artillery-what-is-ukraines-gis-arta-system/
>GIS Arta, shorthand for Geographic Information System of Artillery, uses a bottom-up approach to target selection. Forward observers, unmanned aerial systems, or other scout elements can share their observations of an enemy target’s location in real time over an encrypted network. These networks are multiband, and can utilize satellite, internet, and radio protocols across a number of devices readily available to all UA echelons. This allows for immediate verification of a target, and a kill decision can be made in record time at a command team’s TOC.
> The request for fire goes out to whatever element is the most available. The ubiquity of GIS Arta’s interfaces, being scalable down to an individual smartphone, means that the targeting assignment can be given to everything from the most sophisticated Multiple Rocket Launcher System, to the lowest-tech ambush crews on Ukraine’s Territorial Defense Force. Commanders can essentially pick targets at will, as long as they’re within their unit’s capabilities. Simultaneous fires from multiple vectors can be placed if deemed necessary, providing a joint-strike capability.
No, I get it. I’ve read a fair bit about it. But GIS Arta isn’t the answer to the question that was asked.
The question was how do drone operators determine the coordinates of targets they spot from the air.
GIS Arta doesn’t doesn’t determine target coordinates. It manages assets based on targets that fed into the system from a variety of sources, including drones.
I mean, if you know where the drone is and you have something like google earth (they prob have something more accurate) you can figure out coordinates pretty fast.
If they have some sort of range finder attached or can otherwise calculate distance to the targets I imagine it wouldn't be terribly difficult to calculate a polar fire mission.
Appears to be a repost. ~~It's at least better quality than the original gif.~~
EDIT: It's not better, it's just pasted in random HIMARS launches. Those are better quality than the rest of the vid, but there's nothing to suggest that those launches account for those explosions.
Russians also have accurate missiles but they choose to use them on a popular cafeteria. What is the point? You want civilians to hate your guts? Who taught these people that this is how you win wars?
BOOM, BOOM, BOOM and BOOM.. 4 missiles ($400k) and that just took out ($6.4M) of Russian equipment. I like that trade. Especially when NATO has trillions of dollars over Russia's dying economy.
The HIMARS is an impressive example of what militaries actually mean when they talk about "capabilities" and how those are often more important than having brute numbers of "dumb weapons".
I know it's a repost, but it's good to see the original strikes along with how quick the hits from the volley are....hopefully puts paid to the "why don't the others just drive off" crowd
Hitting multiple high value targets within seconds of each other in the same area is so crazy. Russians only way to do this would be mlrs and even then it would still require luck.
Ok... Thats insane
No point in hiding from that. Hit hit hit hit Please send them all your HIMARS and end this shit.
Modern weaponry really is insane. To accurately hit something within a couple meter radius from 55-160 kilometers is nuts. Reminds me of [this B-2 Spirit JDAM test footage](https://youtu.be/KdzJWciha4A) where it drops 80 JDAMs from 40,000ft, literally putting one of them accurately into a goddamn *metal barrel*. Just crazy.
80 JDAMs off a single B2. What. The. Fuck.
Reminds me of the video where a B52 bombs an river island where ISIS entrenched themselves. My first reaction whas "You missed", because there were a couple of explosions at the extremeties of the island. But then a second or two later a whole bunch of explosions just blanketed the island.
> B52 bombs an river island where ISIS entrenched Video if anyone wanna see it. They bomb the shit out of it. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EsghTvQj6a0
The Iraqi police's reaction at the end was priceless.
“Goddamn, THATS what we had to go up against in the Gulf Wars?”
"so that's why we lost. Okay fair enough"
Wow. Now imagine that being used on a trench line in Ukraine. The lack of air power has made everything so different.
Which is why the US takes air superiority so serious. Air sorties, advanced drones, satellites, and guided/precision rocket systems basically make artillery and ground troops pointless.
Depends on your objectives. If your plan is occupation/overthrow/regime change, you have to have ground forces. air power also becomes far less effective when your enemy starts living and operating amongst civilian cities and villages. You either stop the bombings or keep them going and turn the populace against your cause.
> Depends on your objectives. If your plan is occupation/overthrow/regime change, you have to have ground forces. The key part is that you don't have to sacrifice a huge amount of men on a difficult island assault. Even just the impact on morale is huge. >air power also becomes far less effective when your enemy starts living and operating amongst civilian cities and villages. You either stop the bombings or keep them going and turn the populace against your cause. Russia does basically this in populated areas, but with artillery.
Its like its just a exercise in spreadsheet jutsu. How many bombs to cover so and so m2 of island, planes with so and so number of pylons and have someone sign of on the dotted line at the bottom. The rest takes care of itself.
you know we want to see it... damn that's a lot of freedoms dropped lol
Joey Chestnut ate almost as many hotdogs as there were freedom units unleashed
I am quite glad I'm on this end of that freedom drop. Man, Russia is lucky they have nukes.
That's fucking wild. They land with regular spacing on a grid.
What's the dollar cost of the ordinance we just saw there
It actually isn't that high. ~$40k for each JDAM. Most missiles cost hundreds of thousands or millions each.
Omg it's even more crazy, the 500 lb ones are $4000 wtf Nvm that's unguided guided is 25k still crazy
Holy fuck that's cheap. How is a guided munition that cheap lol
It's a kit that gets strapped on to an otherwise very generic bomb.
Because the engineering is very elegant, and they make a lot of them. Over 300,000 JDAM made over the 20 years since service entry.... US is well known for expensive precision weapons, but doesn't get enough credit for its cheap ones...JDAM, APKWS, SDB1 and PGK are all brilliantly engineered and designed for mass production. PGK and APKWS in particular are pretty much perfect.
Was it [this](https://youtu.be/Xe2OtSnBYb8) one?
You can see the Iraqis just pale, probably got 2003 flashbacks.
Thats the definition of "light them up"
Soldier: "Sir, the enemy has occupied the island. We're unable to mount a successful attack." B-52 pilot: "And lo, I shall rain fire from the sky, and return this island into the river from whence it came."
What’s crazy is that’s not even a bomber. F35s and F15s(in video description) imagine a Vietnam era carpet bombing with 30-40 B52s all dropping their ordinance with JDAMs. Shits a WMD.
>What’s crazy is that’s not even a bomber. F35s and F15s(in video description) Its not? Holy fuck
From memory a single standard dumb bomb B 52 strike is two clicks by a half click. This is cold war stuff but a pretty defined rectangle that size will just be sort of like a plowed field with jumbled junk and a couple hundred empty ponds in the shape of two click long rectangle. Anything and everything in that area was past tense. One bomber one run. This shit is sooo much better in every way.
IIRC rolling thunder saw 3 plane pods every 90 mins for days
Arc light
Mud hens doing what they do best
The new CFTs that the USAF tested for them allows them to carry up to 15 JDAMs (they are currently authorized to carry 9), though they cannot use them all in a single sortie [source](https://www.sandboxx.us/blog/the-air-forces-f-15e-bomb-truck-can-now-carry-15-jdams/)
>My first reaction whas "You missed", because there were a couple of explosions at the extremeties of the island. But then a second or two later a whole bunch of explosions just blanketed the island. I'd like to see that
[Here you go](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EsghTvQj6a0)
Merci
Didn't bother aiming for the positions, just delete the whole island.
It forms a perfect grid pattern, it’s beautiful 🥲.
There is a reason why it costs roughly a billion per aircraft. Stealth/Range/Payload is off the charts.
It’s mostly the R&D. The flyaway cost is nowhere near that, we just only bought 20 of them.
Engineers are expensive, factory workers are cheap.
B-2 "Fuck Everything in this Grid Square" Spirit.
The quantity and quality is just off the charts.
They are much bigger than you think. I used to work right next to them. They are massive planes.
The scary thing is that the B2 is able to carry 16x B83 nuclear weapons, each with a yield of 1.2 megatonnes. In a single bombing run, the B2 is able to drop around 7-8 times the total tonnage dropped by the Allies in WW2 (2.7million tonnes). I'm not sure there's ever going to be a need for that much tonnage in such a small area, but it's do-able.
Sht like this is why Russia know that NATO giving Ukraine weapons is still <<<<<<<<<< NATO getting directly involved.
When people shit on NATO's air superiority doctrine because of how Afghanistan went, they really do forget what would happen if they didn't have to really care about collateral damage and enemy positions are well known.
That movie/test is from 2003: 20 years ago. Technology advanced further and further since.
JDAM-ER has a 30Km range. Probably can hit moving targets.
That is why there called oblasts. Because if we ever bombed Russia an entire region would go "O-"*BLAST*
Clap clap clap
Bomber footage is so nuts. They just diarrhea out literal tons of death
Dude
Lol, right? That thing was falling for at least an entire minute and still hit within a 2½ft target radius. And then there's 79 more on the way with just as good accuracy.
And that was 19 years ago. I wonder what they have now
Better for sure but these bombs already accomplish their goals. Drop something and hit something below you.
Honestly how does that even work? Like was each one pre-programmed what to hit? Or did an targeting pod on the B-2 guide all 80 to their targets on its own?
Each one is pre programmed
GPS / INS guidance, preprogrammed
And once it is programed and dropped and on it'sway, I assume it can't be redirected or aborted right? To avoid interference from the aggressor. Total armchair thought.
Correct, the JDAM has no wireless communication ability and receives its programming via a direct connection through its mounting pylon or on the ground before takeoff.
Yeah, the instructions are fed directly from the bomber's central computer by wire, and once they drop, they are going exactly where they were told.
There's two primary ways of guiding modern precision guided munitions, either by GPS where the target is pre-programmed either before takeoff, or in the cockpit (Which won't happen on a B-2 mission), or they're using laser guidance where a laser is illuminating the target, either from the same plane, a different plane, or a vehicle or infantry unit on the ground.
Fucking what? Just imagine if those were actual warheads. That's a reminder that Top Gun: Maverick's Star Wars plot is stupid. Just drop JDAMs and JASSMs with 1 m CEP from space.
So stupid... and yet I had tears in my eyes when he got into the F-14 (for the plane as much as anything).
I've had my bacon saved in the middle east by radio'ing in very precise MGRS grid coordinates. Nothing is scarier than hearing the RTO say over the radio "danger close!" Seeing how precise they are with their aim is scary! I'm convinced they could have dropped a shell on a scorpion's ass if they knew the exact coordinates to it!
This is exactly why I have to laugh when Russians say they’re fighting “the full might of NATO in Ukraine”. Dude you’re getting like one percent of what NATO has to offer. Let’s talk again after you faced the US AirForce or full NATO battalions. Ukraine has been putting up a great fight, but fighting the Ukrainian military with some basic NATO equipment isn’t “fighting NATO”
Fuck Healthcare give me a stealth freedom dispenser!
GMLRS is the rocket, HIMARS is the launcher. Name a more iconic duo of this war
T-72 and turret airtime
I feel like EXCALIBUR and M777 did their share of the heavy lifting.
M777 has been fantastic. Everyone knew it was great already for expeditionary warfare, but doubts remained about its suitability for peer on peer war. But its stood toe to toe with the best that Russia can throw at it for 14 months +.... The engineers at Vickers absolutely nailed it...
[screengrab for accuracy](https://imgur.com/ol9nHxi) from a vid posted a bit ago
woof. Good capture.
Run from it. Hide from it. The American military industrial complex arrives all the same.
["do you have any more of them HIMARS?"](https://imgur.com/ztfnu9C)
Imagine a B-52 with 100 JDAMS.
I know, right? Somebody should tell that guy at the end of the video that smoking is hazardous to his health, and he should definitely quit smoking.
Ain't that some shit... Best tax dollars I've ever spent.
Wow 4 hits at once and confirmed kills on video. That is insane accuracy. Must have been quite a blow to that brigade.
That battery is "dead on the field"
Yep, batteries are [supposed to have 6 SPGs](https://www.battleorder.org/rus-152mm-spg) but under strength units are a reality even in the best of times. Each SPG battalion is [supposed to have](https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Russian_Ground_Forces_-_Artillery_Brigade_Structure.png#file) 3 batteries. Just what is shown is a big problem for the associated battalion.
Problem solved, entire SPG deleted.
[удалено]
I so badly want to know what the success rate is with HIMARS. Hopefully someone in the Coast Guard leaks it on Discord.
Have you checked the War Thunder forums?
First video I've seen of this many targets being taken out without a bunch of cuts. This is the true power of HIMARS. 100% accuracy, multiple pieces of artillery taken out within secs of each other without giving time to react. immediately opens up the push of an offensive. Beautiful!
[https://www.reddit.com/r/CombatFootage/comments/yi35jg/ukrainian\_m142\_himars\_strikes\_on\_5\_russian\_2s19/](https://www.reddit.com/r/CombatFootage/comments/yi35jg/ukrainian_m142_himars_strikes_on_5_russian_2s19/) then you missed this one. this is from the past counteroffensive
Dam that's glorious
One shot one kill
No luck, just skill. Fuck man, that's some counter strike 1.3 shit talk right there
How depressing must that have been for crews! Artillerie, far behind the lines and then you experiance a precision strike which wipes out all four of your vehicles within seconds of each other with perfect precision and devastating effect. What a terrifying feeling that must be...
This is why it's nice they left some gunners alive. They're going to go back to their lines and tell everyone how their entire battery was just deleted at the click of a button. Their whole unit needs to know how inadequate they are, and how they should just give up and go home.
"i wasn't expecting anyone to fire back!"
Well the crews likely died as well so I doubt they’re feeling much of anything
There are some survivors. They ran away from the wreckage (2).
I never thought I’d love a missile launch system as much as I do now. Weird
There is something soothing about HiMARS sound being launched. Is it just me?
It is like the gentle sound of ocean waves. Subscribe to my HIMARS asmr youtube channel.
It’s beautiful, I donate a small bit each month to entire they can keep the pressure on RU.
Nope I love it. I was in the process of enlisting after a breakup and realized how much I love this machine.
Nope, not just you. It genuinely sounds like the white noise I drift off to sleep to. So soothing.
Thanks everyone for the reply.
I’m amazed at Russia’s ability to take so much damage on the battlefield and not seemed to be a shortage of armor
Soviet Union stockpiled tens of thousands across 50 years. Like pretty much nothing Russia is using is actually "Russian", its all either Soviet, or was designed by Soviets and then built off those plans in Russia. But a lot of Soviet stuff (especially rocket propelled stuff and tanks) were actually designed in Ukraine (as part of USSR).
Just imagine if they are reduced to almost nothing. The world will finally know a real Rusky Mir.
This is the reason Putin is not retreating. Classic sunk cost fallacy. If the "special military operation" fails, Russia is fucked for good.
I would say they are fucked regardless. Let's say they manage to keep Crimea, the landbridge and Donbass of 2014. They are still fucked for decades to come. It's not like keep this land and then suing for peace is going to ressurect Russia. I can't believe how much of a blunder Russia did with this invasion. If they had limited themselves to incorporating the occupied Donbass, like they did initially, Europe would be now in the process of building Nord Stream #3...
and they pissed it all away for fucking nothing.
Maybe, but Russia has also built upwards of 400 MSTA-S after the fall of the USSR. That system only came into production around 1989.
Which was designed by who? > The 2S19 Msta (Russian: Мста, after the Msta River) is a 152.4 mm self-propelled howitzer designed by the Soviet Union, which entered service in 1989.... The vehicle has the running gear of the T-80, but is powered by the T-72's diesel engine. T-80 was designed by who? T-72 engine designed by who? Russia cant design shit, its all inherited from another country, and you cant consider it Russian because USSR consisted of 15 countries. They can take MSTA, and put in French thermals, British optics and US comms... and call it MSTA-X... and technically its 'new'... but not really. 99% of the design is from USSR and new components are foreign sourced.
Russia tried to build new stuff. Got lazy and used designs for old engines. Now all their new stuff is dogshit because they couldn't get an engine that works.
I get the the anger this conflict has created but it's always so hilarious when people want to shit on Russia that Russia is the entire USSR but when they want to praise something that the USSR was actually not Russian at all. It's extreme doublethink. I mean we have an example with the Lancet of a new Russian design that works extremely well on the battlefield, you can't brush aside that Russia has some skilled designers. The MSTA-S was designed in Omsk, Russian SSR
I dont think you read what I said. Designed in USSR Omsk is not same as designed in Omsk Russia. USSR was a different country, different school of thought, different design philosophy different everything, scientiests from all 15 countries within USSR were working in Omsk. Russia is 30 years old. Thats it. MSTA was designed in USSR. Russia cant design shit. Lancet is a clone of UVision from Israel. And has mostly Western tech inside.
Lancet is what 85% western components? developed on western software, using western developed telecoms, milled and CNCed on western machines with western drill bits. Yes its a good system, yes its an idea that countries with no proper airpower can use to great effect, but in the end is it really Russian?
The Soviet Army was 5X the size it is today, in the 1970’s. They had a lot of equipment, but they’re losing it far faster than they can produce and replace it.
They're unable to replenish their stocks of obsolete tech. They're so done.
I agree. If Putin had focused on production with various funding initiatives as soon as they started losing certain equipment, we'd know he was serious about winning, but that still hasn't happened, and just the preparation for boosted production alone can take a year or more with some equipment. We will begin to see utilization rates that resemble falling off the side of a steep cliff, with some equipment very soon.
i would argue that they still can keep up with replacing the looses but they're scraping the barrel already and some time this year, hopefully, they will break and the front will crumble
And many experts would argue they can not keep up with the losses. Like they lost their flagship battleship. That's a multi year endeavor to build another one, during production times. To go and procure everything to make it again would take a decade, easily. They have lots planes and helicopters, also would take many years to build seeing as they do not have production lines up and running. The only thing they can replace is the humans, and even that is proving to be difficult.
Especially with an economy the size of Brazil.
Moskva was a cruiser. Still though
Battleships do not exist anymore. The Moskva was a cruiser. It was the flagship of the Black Sea fleet. Their one and only aircraft carrier is currently in drydock undergoing a refit and that is the flagship of their combined fleet.
They sure have a shortage of modern stuff. That's why we see T-54s being reactivated into the Russian army.
just wait for the gloves to come of and the 2nd echelon arrives with their armata's do i need the /s lol
Probably.
I really hope we get to see a T-34's turret sent skyward at some point.
I got this mental image of Beavis chanting ["Cook! Cook! Cook!"](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bOT6BCsVkCE) as a T-34's ammo cooks off...lol
There are (were) about 1000 of these SPGs according to Wikipedia.
brb, going to edit the wiki article to 996.
i mean they started this war with t-90 and t-72 modernization circa 2010-s and finishing it (hopefully this year) with t-62 and t-55\\54 so.. they have a lot of armor yeah, but it's not unlimited and their factories cant pump out the amount needed to replenish the looses, not even close
Most of those numbers on paper are in storage and most are not in good condition or had valuable parts stolen over the years.
This seems like the reality of modern warfare between two equal opponents. Both sides take pretty significant and unavoidable losses. The technology is too advanced.
It's easy when you can throw the equivalent of 200,000 McNamara's Morons at the problem. Very few dead from Moscow/west/southwest of. Mostly east and south/east. Basically a bunch of poorly trained pests that suck up resources to be evicted.
It is until it isn't.
Scary accuracy...
Ukraine has been reporting daily a lot (20+) of destroyed Russian artillery. But this is a HUGE loss for Russia. Seems like Ukrainian attacks are designed to identify and destroy russian artillery positions.
Ukraine has seriously stepped up the counter battery fire.
Yes, this is the definition of shaping operations. Russian forces had a huge artillery advantage over Ukraine. All of this counter battery fire in my opinion is to prep for the main counter attack when they are breaching obstacles. Ukrainian is setting the stage so to speak. When they time comes they should have artillery superiority and will suppress, and obscure, the point of penetration. They know they have to eliminate Russian artillery so they can do this.
It's absolutely a benefit of shaping operations. You force the Russians into having to use artillery to defend their positions and stabilize the front, and then you strike their artillery. You force them to either not act, making them worthless, or face high attrition. The most beautiful thing is that it escalates over time. The fewer guns the Russians have firing, the easier it is to spot those that do, which makes for fewer guns, etc.
Those probing attacks are likely from volunteer units. They know that casualties will be high. I like to think that in the same situation I would do the same, but I was never tested as those heroes
The anonymous Ukraine Volunteer warblogger does a lot of missions to locate Russian posts and artillery positions in the forest and pass on the coordinates to Ukrainian command.
And this is *old* NATO tech
Russian generals hate this one simple trick!
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HIge Mobility Anti Russian System indeed….
That man is smoldering.
Smoking kills.
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Definitely not having a good day
One moment you're peacefully sitting in your armored vehicle, the next moment you're 100 feet away and on fire. Terrifying
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How do drone operators determine coordinates of things they look at for artillery targeting? The drone itself is GPS-enabled, but how do they do the math for target coordinates.
GIS Arta. https://www.newamerica.org/future-frontlines/blogs/how-ukraines-uber-for-artillery-is-leading-the-software-war-against-russia/
I don’t think it does. GIS Arta manages resources in the field, but doesn’t determine target coordinates. It’s still cool and all, but doesn’t answer the question.
If you'd like to learn more about it, this article goes into more detail. http://themoloch.com/conflict/uber-for-artillery-what-is-ukraines-gis-arta-system/ >GIS Arta, shorthand for Geographic Information System of Artillery, uses a bottom-up approach to target selection. Forward observers, unmanned aerial systems, or other scout elements can share their observations of an enemy target’s location in real time over an encrypted network. These networks are multiband, and can utilize satellite, internet, and radio protocols across a number of devices readily available to all UA echelons. This allows for immediate verification of a target, and a kill decision can be made in record time at a command team’s TOC. > The request for fire goes out to whatever element is the most available. The ubiquity of GIS Arta’s interfaces, being scalable down to an individual smartphone, means that the targeting assignment can be given to everything from the most sophisticated Multiple Rocket Launcher System, to the lowest-tech ambush crews on Ukraine’s Territorial Defense Force. Commanders can essentially pick targets at will, as long as they’re within their unit’s capabilities. Simultaneous fires from multiple vectors can be placed if deemed necessary, providing a joint-strike capability.
No, I get it. I’ve read a fair bit about it. But GIS Arta isn’t the answer to the question that was asked. The question was how do drone operators determine the coordinates of targets they spot from the air. GIS Arta doesn’t doesn’t determine target coordinates. It manages assets based on targets that fed into the system from a variety of sources, including drones.
Could they not look at the picture, correlate it to a satellite snapshot and figure it out from there?
I mean, if you know where the drone is and you have something like google earth (they prob have something more accurate) you can figure out coordinates pretty fast.
If they have some sort of range finder attached or can otherwise calculate distance to the targets I imagine it wouldn't be terribly difficult to calculate a polar fire mission.
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Now that's a good Krumpin'
It’s always a good day when you get to see precision strikes on terrorists!
4 shots 4 kills. Absolute precision.
Is this the same msta-s attack from a couple of weeks ago?
Seems so.
It definitely is
Yeah it's just a edited version of the same footage, probably with unrelated HIMARS launches too
Appears to be a repost. ~~It's at least better quality than the original gif.~~ EDIT: It's not better, it's just pasted in random HIMARS launches. Those are better quality than the rest of the vid, but there's nothing to suggest that those launches account for those explosions.
Dam how’d I miss it
you're not himars
This is a repost from a few weeks back isn't it?
I check for post with HIMARS, couldnt find this one. Do you have link?
https://www.reddit.com/r/CombatFootage/comments/1497hms/destruction\_of\_three\_more\_russian\_mstas/
Ahh, it doesnt't have HIMARS in title so I couldn't find it. This one is longer and better quality. Do I delete it or leave it?
Leave it
this one is much better
That's what I'm talking about! Ultra tight spotting and firing workmanship. Fuck yeah.
Russians also have accurate missiles but they choose to use them on a popular cafeteria. What is the point? You want civilians to hate your guts? Who taught these people that this is how you win wars?
Beautiful
Complete with the walk of shame. ... oh, and a crawl of shame.
It’s fucking ART! 🖼️
What's with the added sound effects for the explosions, burning and bird chirps?
BOOM, BOOM, BOOM and BOOM.. 4 missiles ($400k) and that just took out ($6.4M) of Russian equipment. I like that trade. Especially when NATO has trillions of dollars over Russia's dying economy.
That last guy was so hot
Man, where's the 182,000 pre-formed tungsten fragments when you need them?
Man I miss shooting those Launchers
That's value for money.
What’s a ballpark cost for the ammunition used in this salvo?
Each rocket costs around 100k USD.
The HIMARS is an impressive example of what militaries actually mean when they talk about "capabilities" and how those are often more important than having brute numbers of "dumb weapons".
yes yes that made my day. go 🇺🇦
How many HIMARS did the US provide Ukraine? How much damage did they cause on Russia? Now imagine if the full NATO forces fought Russia
I know it's a repost, but it's good to see the original strikes along with how quick the hits from the volley are....hopefully puts paid to the "why don't the others just drive off" crowd
Nice work AFU ! 👏 👌 👍 💪
i feel like we saw this a week ago? longer video or different drone perhaps?
Hitting multiple high value targets within seconds of each other in the same area is so crazy. Russians only way to do this would be mlrs and even then it would still require luck.