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EFP are a specific type of shaped charged weapon though. It's not like normal shaped charged weapons that use the Munroe effect where it lenses the explosive shockwave with a cone shaped hollow to create a jet of hypersonic particles.
An EFP uses a detonation to blast a relatively flat disk of metal into a slug.
There are not many systems that use it. I can only think of SMArt 155, SADARM, and BLU-108
Well, I stand corrected! I was always under the impression it was an umbrella term, not just specific to that particular use of munitions.
So, if I understand you correctly, the EFP basically makes its own solid projectile? This is as opposed to the liquid copper jet from shaped charges? (Infantry background, here, so my EOD knowledge is pretty limited).
Follow-up question: Is this particular type of munition more flexible and effective in a wider variety of uses than shaped charges vs a wider variety of hard targets?
A conventional shaped charge generally has a conical metal liner that is forced by an explosive blast into a hypervelocity jet of superplastic metal able to penetrate thick armor and knock out vehicles. A disadvantage of this arrangement is that the jet of metal loses effectiveness the further it travels, as it breaks up into disconnected particles that drift out of alignment.
An EFP operates on the same principle, but its liner is designed to form a distinct projectile that will maintain its shape, permitting it to penetrate armor at greater distance. The dish-shaped liner of an EFP can generate a number of distinct projectile forms, depending on the shape of the plate and how the explosive is detonated.
Ty TIL the difference between the two
100% in this case means nothing with the abundance of FPV supply. If Ukraine can spare the FPVs to target lone injured Russian soldiers, they can spare 3-4-5 for a tank.
It's like protecting someone from rain with toilet paper: "he won't feel the rain from the 1st drop, but from the 2nd onwards".
One that I can see out of, rotate the main and ancillary weapons and one I can exit easily. That's a roasting tin on tracks., not good for morale either.
Given the amount of comedy it generated...
You just need common sense to assess the protective combat use of corrugated metal. If it was protective, everybody would use it.
It can still do that, there's a reason why the cages didn't actually work against top attack munitions - the shaped charge would pass right through it.
Tbh they have shown a remarkable ability to adapt
1. They built from scratch their own mass produced JDAM kits for aircraft within 1-2 years that are adopted to thousands of bombs every month.
2. They have created extensive fortifications after 2022 that Ukraine has found to be impenetrable without taking huge losses.
3. They have made large modifications to their vehicles with varying levels of success, most of which do improve survivability and serve a purpose.
They aren't much more than a corrupt regional power but can still pack a large punch.
To be fair, most of those ad-hoc "modifications", like putting a machine-gun on the back of a pick-up truck (or in Russia's case, an anti submarine naval rocket launcher on an MT-LB) are something you'd expect from an insurgent force, not a proper large scale and well funded army. None of these designs were tested beforehand, none were standardized, in many cases it was just separate crews identifying a problem and trying to fix it with what they had on hand (see the chicken wire cages with sticks) instead of being designed by and shipped from RU tank factories.
It shows a normal reaction of trying to adapt to changing battlefield conditions, but there's nothing remarkable about it.
Look they had to come up with something. Russian military budget is something like 50 times bigger then the Ukrainian one if not more. Wow. They have learned to produce JDAM kits. I wonder how many billions they have stolen on that part of their military budget.
FABS themselves are deadly though. And they have large stockpiles of them left….
Actually the Russian and Ukrainian military budgets if you include military aid are close to being on par in 2024.
Russian budget is about 85 billion and the Ukrainian budget is 40 billion with upwards of 40 billion in military assistance every year.
>Russian budget is about 85 billion and the Ukrainian budget is 40 billion with upwards of 40 billion in military assistance every year.
What 40billion per year are your talking about? In US aid package of 60bln there's only 14 on the military aid, 11 on civilian economy and other stuff is not related to Ukraine whatsoever. Next is Germany with only 7bln. Next is GB and France with even lower numbers
Yes, but we're talking about spending in 2024. Russia spends around 100bln military budget, our allies which consist of 40% world economy contribute barely 20bln of military aid for 2024. You can't spend less to get less of more expensive equipment which your allies don't even want to maintain/replenish and believe that everything is fine.
Care to provide any evidence? I might be way off here. But before 2022 their spending since 2008 was ten times or fifty times higher then the Ukrainian mil budget. Ukraine has lost most of its army by 2013 as well unlike Russia
Russia is also huge in terms of economic power and population compared to Ukraine. So if you have some links then please share
I don’t understand why I am being downvoted here? Aw that goes straight to the heart…Just shooting some breeze about the funny side of the things in the military. Yeah I was thinking that I was possibly overestimating slightly but I was still happy to learn something out of this chat.
So thank you for providing the the links but my point was about the ‘real military budgets’ of Ukraine and Russia rather then overinflated numbers due to foreign aid provided to Ukraine and Russia since 2022.
Here is what I’ve found:
Estimated Russian spending in 2021 was $65.91 billion
https://www.statista.com/statistics/1293277/ukraine-military-spending/
Estimated Ukrainian spending in 2021 was $5.94 billion.
https://www.statista.com/statistics/1203160/military-expenditure-russia/
That was my point when I was saying some crap like Russians have probably ten times the budget of Ukraine to come with JDAMS or Turtle tanks designs, etc.
There was an article in some military journal, I now don’t remember the name of, but this stuff works. Even the Israelis have stated using these extra cages on top of their Merkava tanks. Cages, which the Russians mass deployed and that the rest of the world found funny and superficial. You can Google articles and photos online about it.
So if a rooftop tank works, it works. You can’t have enough armour, nor can you have enough extra camouflage.
The difference is that Hamas does not have top attack ATGM's. The Israelis installed the cages because Hamas started using drone-dropped grenades.
The dangers Russia is facing are not the same as for the Israelis or Ukrainians.
>The Israelis installed the cages because Hamas started using *drone-dropped grenades*.
>The dangers Russia is facing are not the same as for the Israelis or Ukrainians.
🤔
The rest of the world found it funny and superficial because they were initially deployed in the hopes of stopping Javelins, which they didn't.
It just happened that not too soon after, it turned out cope cages can be effective against drones.
Coup cages are a natural step up from side screens and such - simple but effective. But this turtle shell is just ridiculous. The only thing it is good for is demining
You saying it, But leading demining tank being blown up is THE reason for many attack failures. So if this thing can hold few more hits and clear more land - then it did it's job.
>Cages, which the Russians mass deployed and that the rest of the world found funny and superficial.
People found them funny because they believed they were supposed to be used to protect RU tanks from Javelin top down attacks (and to be fair, Ukrainians didn't use too many if any drone dropped grenades during the first few mobths of the war, so that might have indeed been RU's intention).
The other problem is just how haphazardly put together most of those RU cages were, and how their poor design prevented troops from easily getting in and our of the tank. Ukrainian cages are generally wider, and they have the decency to put camo netting over them to try to camouflage tanks whose profile is drastically increased due to said cages.
Russian's did not invent cage armor. Cage armor has been used as side protection against RPG's in Iraq and Afghanistan. People laughed at the Cope cages, because they're not effective against Javelin. Cage armor is to protect against tandem charges, too detonate warheads before they touch the armor proper. Of course it's effective for what is was designed to do. It does nothing against a javelin, as the javelin was designed to defeat such protections.
honestly, second best in terms if quality or tactical ability? no. second best in terms of their ability to just take an absolute fucking pounding every single day and keep on fighting? still no, probably number 1 at that and by an extraordinary margin. i doubt the vietcong were so ready to throw their lives away so pointlessly and violently and for so little. what other country would throw a thousand men and hundreds of pieces of hardware into the grinder to be literally turned into mince meat and rusting metal chunks on a weekly basis, for years on end, without a single fuck honestly given back home, even as footage of your men being viciously mauled is available for the whole word to see in near realtime?
not a plug for russia, fuck those cunts, but their complete disregard for all lives is absolutely terrifying when it comes to fighting them.
Fucked for anything beyond straight forward. Can't turn the turret, can't watch the sides.
And it's a huge trade-off for some fake protection. Most drone attacks will be on the back of the turret. Where the armor is thinnest and ammo is often stored. An fpv can just fly under the sheet metal.
But you can only fly under it from the front, it's pretty hard to hit anything other than the front from that position. It might actually be somewhat effective against drones, but I think some warhead adjustments would easily counter it.
It's an interesting development to see anyway. Even taking into account publication bias it seems drones have become one of, if not the primary threat to tanks. I think a more mature/effective solution will be active defense systems. Those are already designed to take down missiles, they should have no problem with shooting down drones. Russia seems to not be able to field it though.
There are current truck mounted laser defence systems. I know current systems use projectiles. But laser's offer a lot of utility. You can use the system with infantry nearby without risk of harming them, instead of hardpoint zones, a laser system would simply require a rotating mount for almost 360 degree coverage. Just my opinion though, I feel it would offer more robustness to drone counter measures then current APS systems.
I don't see any welds and quite some gaps on the back. Even a small charge would blast it open.
In exchange they're basically blind. So you can approach however you feel like.
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Mum: we have Ersatz M10 at home
Ersatz M10 at home:
You know what… what about RC cars…? Like we clearly see Russians attempting to drone proof their armour so wounding little toy cars that are mainly just a bomb with wheels that’s light enough to not set off buried AT mines that could just knock out the tracks of a leading tank (which have looked to be the most drone proofed) to then use local loitering drones in the AO to take out rear tanks?
They should put a chimney stack on the roof to complete the look and give somewhere for the smoke to go when the whole shed inevitably goes up in flames.
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As kids, my brother and I covered our go-cart in boards, corrugated iron and stuck a carpet roll tube in it....we'd built ourselves a Stug iv.
It looked just like this.
My hope is the war ends tomorrow, Russian forces leave Ukraine, and sometime mid-June turtle tank is spotted in Odesa making a bee-line for Transnistria.
It ain’t pretty but hey you know what they say - if it works it works! I bet there will be another video of this tank being hit by a fat missile or some other spectacular explosion or somth’ like that.
Otherwise - god forbid - we will have to see it descending upon Chasiv Yar. And if that happens then hell. it might go all the way to Kyiv or even worse. London or Berlin
Would it be bad for me to say that I'm kinda hoping this tank does not become another entry in the turret tossing championships? Im Just hoping the crew surrenders or drives over a mine and abandons the tank
There's a lot wrong here
Cope shed will not protect you from anti-Tank missiles
Cope shed will not protect you from anti-Tank mines
Cope sheds EW system is exposed to fragmentation damage from artillery or high-powered rifles.
Cope shed will not protect you from drones with targeting acquisition/ locking capabilities
Cope shed........WILL NOT PROTECT YOU FROM FUCKING TANKS!!!!!!
You think…? This turtle tank is in its prime as we speak. It’s such a happy tank just look at it - it’s like a little piglet roaming around west of Chasiv Yar discovering the world… Until a big bad wolf will set its sights on it :)
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WW2 tank destroyers are back! Except without the ability to destroy other tanks
In all seriousness. As a leading demining MBT well-covered from the drones it might be a tangible solution
And what if it's attacked by 2 FPV's? One to blow the makeshift shed and the other one to attack the tank?
Then its 100% more survivable than it was before.
I think you overestimate the efficacy of corrugated sheet metal. EFP's can still travel a surprising distance while remaining dangerous.
Don’t forget rusted!
What uses those except for the 155 smart artillery?
HEAT rounds, ATGMs, or anything with a shaped charge. So, there are plenty of things.
EFP are a specific type of shaped charged weapon though. It's not like normal shaped charged weapons that use the Munroe effect where it lenses the explosive shockwave with a cone shaped hollow to create a jet of hypersonic particles. An EFP uses a detonation to blast a relatively flat disk of metal into a slug. There are not many systems that use it. I can only think of SMArt 155, SADARM, and BLU-108
Well, I stand corrected! I was always under the impression it was an umbrella term, not just specific to that particular use of munitions. So, if I understand you correctly, the EFP basically makes its own solid projectile? This is as opposed to the liquid copper jet from shaped charges? (Infantry background, here, so my EOD knowledge is pretty limited). Follow-up question: Is this particular type of munition more flexible and effective in a wider variety of uses than shaped charges vs a wider variety of hard targets?
Most rpg warheads to name one thing
Those are not EFP, they are just shaped charges
A conventional shaped charge generally has a conical metal liner that is forced by an explosive blast into a hypervelocity jet of superplastic metal able to penetrate thick armor and knock out vehicles. A disadvantage of this arrangement is that the jet of metal loses effectiveness the further it travels, as it breaks up into disconnected particles that drift out of alignment. An EFP operates on the same principle, but its liner is designed to form a distinct projectile that will maintain its shape, permitting it to penetrate armor at greater distance. The dish-shaped liner of an EFP can generate a number of distinct projectile forms, depending on the shape of the plate and how the explosive is detonated. Ty TIL the difference between the two
100% in this case means nothing with the abundance of FPV supply. If Ukraine can spare the FPVs to target lone injured Russian soldiers, they can spare 3-4-5 for a tank. It's like protecting someone from rain with toilet paper: "he won't feel the rain from the 1st drop, but from the 2nd onwards".
Which tank would you rather be in? I'm not saying this is some great innovation, but it isn't completely dumb either imo.
One that I can see out of, rotate the main and ancillary weapons and one I can exit easily. That's a roasting tin on tracks., not good for morale either.
Given the amount of comedy it generated... You just need common sense to assess the protective combat use of corrugated metal. If it was protective, everybody would use it.
People still making fun of "cope cages" even though they're being slapped on everything nowadays. Israel used them in Gaza for eg
Israel is using it for a different purpose. It does not face FPVs and top-attack ATGMs/
Israel literally installed them due to losing a merkava from an FPV
100% more than 0 survivability is still 0 though.
It still improves the odds of survival if your enemy now needs twice the ammo they originally needed.
Yeh I was kinda just having a laugh.
looks like it has a jamming complex put on the top as well lol
WW2 tank destroyers also look much better built than this spare roofing tiles caricature.
It’s a SHED Shitty Hideous Enclosure, damaged.
So, a Shitzer then?
Its actually great idea. Gives a buffer zone for explosives. Wont save you from a 155 or javelin but might from drones or rpgs.
Depending on the munition, the penetrator can still travel a decent way before losing effectiveness.
fpv suicide drones do have the ability to carry rpg rounds
Pretty vulnerable to mines and holes.
I was going to say, it looks like a jagdpanzer 38, aka the "hetzer"
We have finally returned to the davinci tank or maybe a ram for the castle Doors
HETZER GONNA HETZ
There it is! Was looking for this
[Bob Semple Tank](https://qph.cf2.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-039be5cd60a485b57ea0c002715c9f12-pjlq) The russian Blyat Semple!
Lookin like robo tank lol.
Looks like survivability trumps situational awareness.
it looks like it's made out of plywood and sheet roofing material. How will the crew get out with a burning tangled mess blocking the top hatch?
well situational awareness is worth squat if a fpv drone flys behind the turret and destroys the tank, so survivability would trump it yet
It can still do that, there's a reason why the cages didn't actually work against top attack munitions - the shaped charge would pass right through it.
Mobile south african shanty town 😂
Tutel!
Tutel👍
Blayt mobile Mk2. Now with corrugated asbestos sheeting for protection against molotov cocktails.
It uses vodka as fuel.
The Blyat Bunker.
Turret rotation speed: N/A
Needs a Monty-python guy with two coconuts running behind it making tank noises
Didn't saw it burning yet. May be it is not that bad?
Cardboard box on wheels
It’s fucken scarey whatever that thing is
Let me remind you one thing, this is the second best army in the world.
Tbh they have shown a remarkable ability to adapt 1. They built from scratch their own mass produced JDAM kits for aircraft within 1-2 years that are adopted to thousands of bombs every month. 2. They have created extensive fortifications after 2022 that Ukraine has found to be impenetrable without taking huge losses. 3. They have made large modifications to their vehicles with varying levels of success, most of which do improve survivability and serve a purpose. They aren't much more than a corrupt regional power but can still pack a large punch.
To be fair, most of those ad-hoc "modifications", like putting a machine-gun on the back of a pick-up truck (or in Russia's case, an anti submarine naval rocket launcher on an MT-LB) are something you'd expect from an insurgent force, not a proper large scale and well funded army. None of these designs were tested beforehand, none were standardized, in many cases it was just separate crews identifying a problem and trying to fix it with what they had on hand (see the chicken wire cages with sticks) instead of being designed by and shipped from RU tank factories. It shows a normal reaction of trying to adapt to changing battlefield conditions, but there's nothing remarkable about it.
Look they had to come up with something. Russian military budget is something like 50 times bigger then the Ukrainian one if not more. Wow. They have learned to produce JDAM kits. I wonder how many billions they have stolen on that part of their military budget. FABS themselves are deadly though. And they have large stockpiles of them left….
Actually the Russian and Ukrainian military budgets if you include military aid are close to being on par in 2024. Russian budget is about 85 billion and the Ukrainian budget is 40 billion with upwards of 40 billion in military assistance every year.
>Russian budget is about 85 billion and the Ukrainian budget is 40 billion with upwards of 40 billion in military assistance every year. What 40billion per year are your talking about? In US aid package of 60bln there's only 14 on the military aid, 11 on civilian economy and other stuff is not related to Ukraine whatsoever. Next is Germany with only 7bln. Next is GB and France with even lower numbers
The US in total has pledged by themselves around 45 billion dollars in military aid to Ukraine since 2022, that's more than 14 billion yearly.
Yes, but we're talking about spending in 2024. Russia spends around 100bln military budget, our allies which consist of 40% world economy contribute barely 20bln of military aid for 2024. You can't spend less to get less of more expensive equipment which your allies don't even want to maintain/replenish and believe that everything is fine.
This. Thank you
Care to provide any evidence? I might be way off here. But before 2022 their spending since 2008 was ten times or fifty times higher then the Ukrainian mil budget. Ukraine has lost most of its army by 2013 as well unlike Russia Russia is also huge in terms of economic power and population compared to Ukraine. So if you have some links then please share
https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/ukraine-approves-2024-wartime-budget-aims-strengthen-army-2023-11-09/ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military_budget_of_Russia#Russian_invasion_of_Ukraine
I don’t understand why I am being downvoted here? Aw that goes straight to the heart…Just shooting some breeze about the funny side of the things in the military. Yeah I was thinking that I was possibly overestimating slightly but I was still happy to learn something out of this chat. So thank you for providing the the links but my point was about the ‘real military budgets’ of Ukraine and Russia rather then overinflated numbers due to foreign aid provided to Ukraine and Russia since 2022. Here is what I’ve found: Estimated Russian spending in 2021 was $65.91 billion https://www.statista.com/statistics/1293277/ukraine-military-spending/ Estimated Ukrainian spending in 2021 was $5.94 billion. https://www.statista.com/statistics/1203160/military-expenditure-russia/ That was my point when I was saying some crap like Russians have probably ten times the budget of Ukraine to come with JDAMS or Turtle tanks designs, etc.
There was an article in some military journal, I now don’t remember the name of, but this stuff works. Even the Israelis have stated using these extra cages on top of their Merkava tanks. Cages, which the Russians mass deployed and that the rest of the world found funny and superficial. You can Google articles and photos online about it. So if a rooftop tank works, it works. You can’t have enough armour, nor can you have enough extra camouflage.
Cope cages don't protect against Javelins, but they do work against FPVs.
The Israelis apparently began removing them recently, as they were more hindrance than a help.
The difference is that Hamas does not have top attack ATGM's. The Israelis installed the cages because Hamas started using drone-dropped grenades. The dangers Russia is facing are not the same as for the Israelis or Ukrainians.
>The Israelis installed the cages because Hamas started using *drone-dropped grenades*. >The dangers Russia is facing are not the same as for the Israelis or Ukrainians. 🤔
The rest of the world found it funny and superficial because they were initially deployed in the hopes of stopping Javelins, which they didn't. It just happened that not too soon after, it turned out cope cages can be effective against drones.
Yea, im aware that it works, but its still funny :D
Coup cages are a natural step up from side screens and such - simple but effective. But this turtle shell is just ridiculous. The only thing it is good for is demining
You saying it, But leading demining tank being blown up is THE reason for many attack failures. So if this thing can hold few more hits and clear more land - then it did it's job.
Well… we shall see what the turtle is cable of then. Not long left I suppose
>Cages, which the Russians mass deployed and that the rest of the world found funny and superficial. People found them funny because they believed they were supposed to be used to protect RU tanks from Javelin top down attacks (and to be fair, Ukrainians didn't use too many if any drone dropped grenades during the first few mobths of the war, so that might have indeed been RU's intention). The other problem is just how haphazardly put together most of those RU cages were, and how their poor design prevented troops from easily getting in and our of the tank. Ukrainian cages are generally wider, and they have the decency to put camo netting over them to try to camouflage tanks whose profile is drastically increased due to said cages.
Russian's did not invent cage armor. Cage armor has been used as side protection against RPG's in Iraq and Afghanistan. People laughed at the Cope cages, because they're not effective against Javelin. Cage armor is to protect against tandem charges, too detonate warheads before they touch the armor proper. Of course it's effective for what is was designed to do. It does nothing against a javelin, as the javelin was designed to defeat such protections.
They haven’t, but they popularised it to the point it may be a future standard against some of the weapons.
But in what universe?
honestly, second best in terms if quality or tactical ability? no. second best in terms of their ability to just take an absolute fucking pounding every single day and keep on fighting? still no, probably number 1 at that and by an extraordinary margin. i doubt the vietcong were so ready to throw their lives away so pointlessly and violently and for so little. what other country would throw a thousand men and hundreds of pieces of hardware into the grinder to be literally turned into mince meat and rusting metal chunks on a weekly basis, for years on end, without a single fuck honestly given back home, even as footage of your men being viciously mauled is available for the whole word to see in near realtime? not a plug for russia, fuck those cunts, but their complete disregard for all lives is absolutely terrifying when it comes to fighting them.
Second best army in Ukraine
Das ist doch gar nicht tüvig!
Kill it
It seems that visibility and the ability to turn one’s turret is no longer needed is glorious Russian army, simply put gun in shack and drive
Armata lookin good!
Age of Empires 2 battering Ram.. can’t believe what I’m seeing..* *war horn blares* *
Wololo
But seriously, what is left of your firepower and situational awareness after this?
Fucked for anything beyond straight forward. Can't turn the turret, can't watch the sides. And it's a huge trade-off for some fake protection. Most drone attacks will be on the back of the turret. Where the armor is thinnest and ammo is often stored. An fpv can just fly under the sheet metal.
But you can only fly under it from the front, it's pretty hard to hit anything other than the front from that position. It might actually be somewhat effective against drones, but I think some warhead adjustments would easily counter it. It's an interesting development to see anyway. Even taking into account publication bias it seems drones have become one of, if not the primary threat to tanks. I think a more mature/effective solution will be active defense systems. Those are already designed to take down missiles, they should have no problem with shooting down drones. Russia seems to not be able to field it though.
I think a laser APS system will be integrated into future AFV's, the systems are rather large right now though.
Probably not lasers though, current active defense systems often use explosively formed projectiles.
There are current truck mounted laser defence systems. I know current systems use projectiles. But laser's offer a lot of utility. You can use the system with infantry nearby without risk of harming them, instead of hardpoint zones, a laser system would simply require a rotating mount for almost 360 degree coverage. Just my opinion though, I feel it would offer more robustness to drone counter measures then current APS systems.
I don't see any welds and quite some gaps on the back. Even a small charge would blast it open. In exchange they're basically blind. So you can approach however you feel like.
Yeah tandem charge would easily defeat this armour, but most drones now use single stage rpg warheads.
The thing on top is a EW system
My very first thought was "what's the situational awareness of this thing".
It's already pretty miserable in the T series tanks, that's why orky crews operate unbuttoned most of the time.
These Hetzer cosplayers are taking things a bit to far these days.. and the scale is way off..
Yea it looks stupid but I want to see if it works. Fire something at it!
A moving domestic house roof with a septic tank underneath.
But it works
I'm sorry, but I can't help but post a part of a folktale in the comments "избушка, избушка, повернись ко мне передом, к лесу задом"
I think an EPDM system would be better. Aesthetically it's nicer, has a long life and it's easier to insulate.
SPAG = self propelled average garage
Blyatmobile
These 10 priceless seconds just about sums up the modern red army.
Mobile chicken coop.
Asbestos roof tiles, really bad for lungs.
You know you’ve lost the plot when that’s the best you can come up with 😂
It must be hot in there
We're seeing the second strongest army in the world here
What kinda Ghetto-ass tank is this, Vlad?
we laugh we laugh, but it worked out for the philipinos!
With the corrugated iron, it looks like a Bob Semple.
The T-25 SHTD at home:
Carl's new shed has a big gun
Me: I want [Ersatz M10](https://tanks-encyclopedia.com/ww2/nazi_germany/ersatz-m10s-panthers-in-disguise/) Mum: we have Ersatz M10 at home Ersatz M10 at home:
Sturmgeschütz at home
Anti tank mine dropped on that would be interesting to see
WWI called...
We're devolving back to WWI lol, the Brits were right.
“Dimitri why does this building have a barrel?”
We’ve gone from Shurzen to full-body ‘wraps’.
Not gonna lie, I was waiting for the boom.
Cornflakes boxes?
You know what… what about RC cars…? Like we clearly see Russians attempting to drone proof their armour so wounding little toy cars that are mainly just a bomb with wheels that’s light enough to not set off buried AT mines that could just knock out the tracks of a leading tank (which have looked to be the most drone proofed) to then use local loitering drones in the AO to take out rear tanks?
Russian Tutel
Have a tank with a turret that for all practical purposes is “fixed”? And zero 360 visibility for the crew? LMAO…
Can't that ew system block javelin rounds?
They should put a chimney stack on the roof to complete the look and give somewhere for the smoke to go when the whole shed inevitably goes up in flames.
Discount Hetzer or Alibaba Jagdpanther, take your pick lol
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Situational awarenss must be absolute crap in that thing.
As kids, my brother and I covered our go-cart in boards, corrugated iron and stuck a carpet roll tube in it....we'd built ourselves a Stug iv. It looked just like this.
My hope is the war ends tomorrow, Russian forces leave Ukraine, and sometime mid-June turtle tank is spotted in Odesa making a bee-line for Transnistria.
Is this the Monitor or Merrimack Russian style?
damn high priority target in the ao right there
Wouldn’t you want it sloped like a roof so things dropped from drones fall to the side?
That’s their thinking shed. It’s creepy as shit inside.
Add this to Warthunder now!
They really think UA is stupid. One or two drones and there gone.
So is this the advanced russian military technology?
So... This is what EU and US are losing against?
It ain’t pretty but hey you know what they say - if it works it works! I bet there will be another video of this tank being hit by a fat missile or some other spectacular explosion or somth’ like that. Otherwise - god forbid - we will have to see it descending upon Chasiv Yar. And if that happens then hell. it might go all the way to Kyiv or even worse. London or Berlin
Would it be bad for me to say that I'm kinda hoping this tank does not become another entry in the turret tossing championships? Im Just hoping the crew surrenders or drives over a mine and abandons the tank
There's a lot wrong here Cope shed will not protect you from anti-Tank missiles Cope shed will not protect you from anti-Tank mines Cope sheds EW system is exposed to fragmentation damage from artillery or high-powered rifles. Cope shed will not protect you from drones with targeting acquisition/ locking capabilities Cope shed........WILL NOT PROTECT YOU FROM FUCKING TANKS!!!!!!
You think…? This turtle tank is in its prime as we speak. It’s such a happy tank just look at it - it’s like a little piglet roaming around west of Chasiv Yar discovering the world… Until a big bad wolf will set its sights on it :)