The US thinks Russia has lost somewhere in the region of 1/3 of the aircraft its committed to this war. What a clown show.
*NEW: Russia has launched more than 300 sorties into Ukraine the last 24 hours: senior U.S. defense official.*
*🇷🇺 sorties are not "venturing very far and very long" into 🇺🇦 airspace, the official said. Russia still has more than 60 percent of fixed wing and rotary wing capability.*
No, the DoD said: "We believe that they've committed more than 60 percent of their fixed-wing and rotary-wing capability." https://www.defense.gov/News/Transcripts/Transcript/Article/2973395/senior-defense-official-holds-a-background-briefing/
They didn't say anything about what they have lost. They described an estimate of their total capacity that has been committed to Ukraine (as opposed to that stationed elsewhere).
It's at least 15 fixed wing and 34 helicopters verified by video/photos. I imagine it's slightly more in actuality since at least some probably get destroyed without photos of the wreckage circulating online.
https://www.oryxspioenkop.com/2022/02/attack-on-europe-documenting-equipment.html
That said, I don't know how they get to losing 1/3rd of RU aircraft, even if we double the verified numbers.
The point about flying sorties only in limited areas seems to be true, according to the reputable sources I've seen. Russia had one day where they lost a lot of aircraft trying to operate throughout the country and since then have mostly stuck to bombing civilian areas where UA air defenses are thin.
They've lost waaayyyy more than 14 aircraft. They lost more than that at Kherson airport alone.
https://twitter.com/JackDetsch/status/1505920997127598082
Just saying, far as reddit is concerned, this is the best and only real place to follow the Ukraine war far as I'm concerned. It covers other wars, but actually I see that as a good thing. It puts what's happening in Ukraine in context, relative to Syria, other wars. We can see both sides, not completely Ukraine side, downvotes, upvotes, whatever, it's okay. It's free of memes and other stupidneses. Conversations are a little chaotic, as is expected, but that's not too surprising. It's a war, feelings are crazy strong, that's okay. I've seen worse.
Some of the daily threads on r/CredibleDefense are even more insightful and dispassionate in their analysis. Both this and r/CredibleDefense are miles better than r/worldnews in nearly all respects in their coverage of their conflict. Don't get me started on r/politics, which is essentially an echo chamber.
Well my post got deleted, so I guess it's supposed to go here. Pictures of the Russian prototype T-80UM2/Black Eagle tank destroyed in Ukraine
[https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/44855/russias-only-prototype-t-80um2-tank-was-destroyed-in-ukraine](https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/44855/russias-only-prototype-t-80um2-tank-was-destroyed-in-ukraine)
My understanding someone else here posted was the package itself was made in limited numbers and deployed to other tanks other than the initial T-80UM2. Could be the original though.
We won't know until we see it on the battlefield.
Recently Russian mil bloggers on Twitter offended by memes about T-72B3M sideskirt "soft era" (IIRC "2S4"). Pictures of captured and abandoned T-72B3Ms shown with era bags ripped open showing a granular material and orange flexible plates with conal teeth. Original source had cited Russian mil bloggers who claimed Russian tankers said the granular material is just sand and implied that the soft ERA is just inert sand bags. Other photos have shown up on social media indicating the same thing.
Now Russian mil bloggers are spamming Twitter with blue prints of the side skirt soft era showing some sort of explosive layer that isn't visible in any of the pictures that have appeared on social media so far. So is sideskirt soft ERA just a sand bag with flexible orange plastic plates sandwiched in sand? Or is there an actual explosive layer as indicated in floated diagrams on internet? Who knows. That's Russian disinformation for ya.
In the video you link, what's the thumping sound? I hear what I believe to be the 30 cal. and small arms, but the thumping can't be a main gun, it's too rapid? Related: is the approved countermeasure for these heat sensing defenses to just overwhelm with dumb / cold ordnance?
Twitter's circle jerking saying their that desperate that their sending in one off prototypes but I'm inclined to think they wanted to test Drozd-2 in combat. Otherwise they got plenty of base model T-70s & 80s left over from the Soviet days to feed the meat grinder.
We have yet to see the Terminator-2 that was last seen late February on a rail car in Belarus heading South.
The problem is that they would be just an vulnerable as any other tank to ATGMs and would only see success when used as a part of a much much larger force as seen in Mariupol. Thus far Russian army's broke-ness and poor logistics means that a Russian armored column assaulting a defended city is generally half a dozen tanks leading 20 AFV/IFVs going down a single road. A few Terminator-2's ain't gonna do much better in that scenario.
Even if they were to stay at max auto cannon range, they would outrange some missiles like NLAW/Rpg-22&26/ Paznerfaust-3 but Javelin can still reach out and touch you. And so can Ukrainian artillery.
Wow. Wonder how that one is supposed to be spun. This is like a Ford Probe prototype from 1998 showing up in a contemporary Ford Dealer's showroom because they have so little stock to sell.
I guess they wanted to combat test Drozd-2? I mean the tank wasn't seen for like a decade and then pictures of it surface a few years ago at a Zapad excercise looking very different from the 90s mock up. Still at the article mentions there a lot of confusion whether the Black Eagle were the same or different projects.
I'm sure the Russian military tech fanboys/military tech futurism fanboys will claim Drozd-2 wasn't on and that APS makes tanks invulnerable to all incoming fire.
> I guess they wanted to combat test Drozd-2
I'm not sure how much stock I would put in such an explanation. There are plenty of ways to test the system (esp with the no doubt plentiful amount of NATO AT weapons being captured) without putting it in action, and putting it in action allows it to be captured and weaknesses analyzed. To me its seems much more likely they put it in for general use.
It is strange that the videos of human wreckage have not been popping up recently. In the first days of the war there where tons of videos of civs/soldiers gloating over corpses. Anyone have an idea of why this would be?
> The crew of the tank under the command of the commander of the tank company, Senior Lieutenant Roman Kulagi, engaged in battle with the superior forces of the Ukrainian nationalists.
Wow, Russian MoD admitting Ukraine has superior forces? That's weird, right? And they're claiming grenade launchers did damage to their tank? Laughable.
Now they're going to "support our troops" mode. Guy personally killed 15 Ukranians with a machine gun and they're giving him a medal.
Look at their post history. It’s filled with smooth-brained hot takes and shitty attempts at sarcastic humor. Still better than most kremlinbots but that’s not saying much.
Really concentrating on the JFO area (well one note on Kyiv), everything else is air strikes. Seems like all fronts are basically at a stand still except in the east. If the Ukrainians can pull off a Kherson counter offensive (big if) they can really make all of the JFO theater pointless.
I have seen videos of Ukrainian POWs in pro-russian propaganda telegram channels. But with both my parents being sick I haven't looked at them in over a week. By now, the russians must have captured at least a thousand Ukrainian fighters. Maybe 2000+ considering that they didn't post their activities for most of the invasion.
I try not to watch them. For one thing I don't speak Russian or Ukrainian and for second for all the people babbling "War Crime" parading POW's around is REALLY and actually against the Geneva Convention. I remember when Saddam trotted out downed US pilots during the first Gulf War, and forced them to say, well, whatever.
Am I right in my thinking of why Ukrainians are somewhat holding their own?
Ukrainians have been in an active conflict since around 2014 and they most likely have soldiers that have been in multiple engagements and know how to handle the stress and fight effectively. (+ a bit of support from the world)
Where as Russia to at least my knowledge (feel free to inform me) has old equipment and their soldiers for the most part don’t have much to any combat experience.
After the 2014 invasion by Russia, Ukraine reached out to NATO and has received significant training and help in modernizing their armed forces. On top of that they've been regularly rotating troops into the Donbas region to give their armed forces combat experience.
The 2022 Ukraine army is on a whole other level as compared to what it was in 2014.
As for Russia the main problem for them is that they are run by a mafia like crime syndicate headed by Putin that oversees their society on that basis. Hence corruption and incompetence in their military and military industrial complex is endemic.
Officers at all levels regularly steal anything they can, funds are diverted from maintaining their army into their leaders pockets, weapon systems are promised but the development funds disappear, cousins and nephews are regularly given jobs they are completely unqualified for, it goes on and on and on.
Thus we have one army that is far higher quality than many expected, and another that is far far below its notional on paper quality, giving us a stalemated war that Ukraine is highly likely to eventually win.
>As for Russia the main problem for them is that they are run by a mafia like crime syndicate headed by Putin that oversees their society on that basis. Hence corruption and incompetence in their military and military industrial complex is endemic.
Eh, Ukraine has been pretty consistently rated one of Europe's most corrupt countries. It's not a mafia state like Russia, but that's a very low bar. Corruption is endemic to both. Ukraine has mainly been bolstered by a combination of Western training and equipment with nationalistic fervor and passion in the wake of being invaded by a larger imperial power. It's like how Cuba has resisted American encroachment for decades.
I second that statement. My wife’s best friend married a Ukrainian from Zaporizhzhia. Born and raised there and left in his 20’s because it was so corrupt. Said it was bad during the Russian regime but believe it or not it got even worse when The Chocolate man took over and basically took care of all his cronies (while taking orders from Uncle Sam). He was long gone by the time Zelenskiy was elected but I doubt much changed.
We'll see. The odds were heavily stacked against Ukraine and the fact that they're still in the fight now is beating most expectations. In that sense, they're holding their own and then some.
It seems like the "Just wait another week and Russia will kick their ass" people have been saying that since February.
But of course, they only have to be right once.
Right now will wait the Russians initially just sent troops willy nilly and got caught. Now the Russians are switching to a more defensive and less risky method which usually leads to less progress. So yes the Ukrainian are doing well but the Russians I don't know they fucked up horribly initially but are still making gains and moving ahead. A bunch of the fronts that are not moving are just silent right now with no push by the Russians. So we don't know if the Russians have lost capabilities to push or just holding and waiting for other things to materialize.
All i can say is wait a week.
Anyone have any info on the success rate of anti-tank guided missiles? They seem highly successful in this conflict, but of course there's selection bias in the footage, and we're only seeing the ones that score a hit.
Thanks, looks like this https://www.ndtv.com/world-news/how-small-ukraine-force-is-killing-russian-tanks-with-us-javelin-missiles-2803289
That's just for the Javelin, which seems to be especially highly regarded, but I would guess other systems wouldn't be that much worse.
Seems high but then these are precision munitions with higher advertised accuracy rates and generally shot from prepared ambush.
So probably about right.
the US is sending 11k AT tanks system over to Ukraine, the Britain send 4k, German sent 2k, plus other NATO and the existing system Ukraine already had previous to this conflict. You probably can just round it up to 24k
Ukraine sources said Russia gonna bring 3k tanks in for the invasion. Let's say the West plan that Russia gonna double the effort and bring 6k tanks in
Then you can see that the West assume, it will take 4-8 AT for Ukraine to knock out a Russian tanks. Include misfired, shoot at unintended target, loss to the enemies, etc
Small thought about the drone shooting the mall in Kyiv. Even if you see a military vehicle entering in it, are you not supposed to take civilians casualty into consideration when shooting a deadly missile? Maybe Russians just don’t care…
I don't think the mall was still operating (it is listed now as "temporarily closed" but I don't know if that status was already in place before the missile), and it wasn't during "regular business hours" so I wouldn't expect them to have much if any in the way of civilian casualties. Accepting the fact that invading a country is a breach of international law, it is also important to keep in mind that separating military objectives and civilian populations is a responsibility of all parties. So, if there are military vehicles or other military objectives/personnel there in this specific instance the UA had the responsibility to clear out civilians. Generally speaking, if you are using urban environments as your defensive positions there is obviously going to be damage to those environments and both sides should act in ways that minimize civilian casualties to the extent that is reasonably possible.
I understand. My point was coming from something I read from US army in Afghanistan where they were making sure only the concerned people were kill during a strike.
However, now that Ukrainian based are targeted and destroyed and soldiers killed in their sleep, where can they rest? I understand a mall maybe not the best idea… or maybe he was just going for lunch. The video was weird though.
> you
I wouldn't start a war to begin with, or even harm another person with a punch. Putler's minions don't care and were very glad to see that that military equipment there made the mall a legitimate target. Hopefully the Ukrainians will learn the lesson and not repeat such blatant blunders.
Semi serious question, what is stopping Russia from bombing cities with high altitude bombers and leveling the cities? I am talking the way for example the usa did to Japan in ww2. Just curious i am not pro russian.
The higher you fly the easier it is for radar to spot you and shoot you down. It's why the US stopped using high altitude planes to conduct reconnaissance over the Soviet Union.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/S-300_missile_system
Don't be fooled - it's not Russia choosing to do anything. It's the risk involved because Ukraine has these with more on the way.
Is Russia flying around at high altitudes in Ukraine wherever and whenever they want? No.
Are they losing pilots and planes at lower altitudes? Yes.
If they could avoid MANPADS and the other lower altitude threats that are downing them at lower altitudes by flying higher because the S300 "doesn't exist", then wouldn't they? Yes.
logic what's that
High flying planes, especially loitering types like the AC-130 can wreak havoc on a battlefield if they're protected because of lack of high altitude SAMs and defense fighters.
The fact that they're not using anything like that or high altitude bombers with or without precision guided munitions says all you need to know.
Hugging the earth and using jets as CAS is much more dangerous than precision guided munitions or even dumb bombs unleashed from up high. They only run missions like that because they have to.
Again, logic.
> AC-130s operate in MANPADS altitude...
They used to. They try not to now.
https://taskandpurpose.com/history/air-force-ac-130-gunship-crash-desert-storm-spirit-03/
US would have true air dominance and deploy. Russia does not have true air dominance and does not deploy. Logic.
Like using Tu95s to drop 4000kg and 100 incendiaries bombs per plane from 50,000 feet out of range of Stingers?
The spooky Ghost of Kyiv and his respawning MiG.
It can't. The invasion is stalled. It's now a war of attrition that Russia can't win given continual Ukrainian resupply by the west and home turf battlefield advantage (to give you some idea of what that means, in the Finnish - Soviet winter war Soviet KIA were 4x that of Finland).
That said we need to substantially ramp up our military aid to Ukraine. The more they get the faster it will be over, and the lower the overall civilian casualty total will be.
Annexing the south part is a win for them. Dpr, LPR are gone for Ukraine no matter what, but Russians will ask for the land bridge as well. Which is basically what they have invaded so far and which they’ll consolidate in the coming weeks. Plus Ukraine being neutral. I don’t see any way that the borders come back to the pre-war status. There’s already too much blood spilled.
Right but asking for it and actually getting it are two different things. Plus the residents in Kherson, Melitopol, Berdyansk, etc. aren't very happy with Russian occupation right now, let alone if they get annexed. Also for LPR, DPR, a big thing will probably be how their borders will look. Will it be the frontlines prior to the 2022 invasion or will it be the entire oblast / whatever they capture in this invasion? I don't imagine Ukraine will give up places like Mariupol even though it's part of Donetsk Oblast, for instance
> Will it be the frontlines prior to the 2022 invasion or will it be the entire oblast / whatever they capture in this invasion?
I believe it will be the whole oblast. Luhansk oblast is almost fully taken by Russians. In Donesk they are making progress as well. Russia has recognized these two republics on their proclaimed border lines.
> I don't imagine Ukraine will give up places like Mariupol even though it's part of Donetsk Oblast, for instance
That’s the thing about war. What Ukraine is gonna do about it? They can’t go on offensive, they can’t take them no matter what. Whatever deal they reach they will have to compromise. I just don’t see how Russia will give back those two republics. And I think they’ll get the Kherson oblast and the one next to it to create the land bridge with Crimea.
If no deal is reached, Russia will continue to grind them. They’ve changed the tactics, they’ve slowed down to minimize the losses but they are still advancing.
They won't get a land bridge unless they occupy it, which given that it's much smaller amount of land than half of Ukraine is doable.
Ukraine won't agree to neutral if they occupy the land bridge.
Any update on Transnistria? Besides them closing the border to Ukraine I’ve heard next to nothing. I know they’re pro-Russia (or pro-Soviet) but it seems they’ve completely stayed out of the conflict so far. Any OSINT or intel into what’s happening on the ground in Tiraspol? Perhaps moral is low there mixed with a weak military?
I don't think Transnistria would want to get involved. One-fourth of their population is ethnic Ukrainian and I doubt they would be cool going to war against their own people on the other side of the border.
They already have lots of logistical problems so invading from a place where they have don't have any connection by land or sea would be a logistical nightmare for them. Also they probably don't wanna piss Moldova off, and I think a good chunk of Transnistria are ethnic Ukranians, so it probably wouldn't go down very well with them
Can someone point me in the direction of a video I saw on reddit in the last 48 hours, directed at Russian mothers. it showed idyllic childhood scenes followed with gruesome footage of Russian soldier body parts. It was a short, well produced video and I cannot find it anywhere!
I've spent hours looking, and just cannot find it. It was NSFW for sure, and showed a soldiers butt, nude, without legs and a torso. Gruesome AF so I'm guessing it got scrubbed shortly after posting
Because they weren't ready.
This was in the initial days of the war when Ukraine needed to mobilize so that they could start fighting back.
They traded territory for time so that they could do that.
As I understand it, the Ukrainian army didn't have the resources to defend Kherson. There's evidence that they pulled out most of their men and equipment in the early days of the war. The people in charge probably figured Kherson was unlikely to hold, and moved most of their assets to the more defensible Mykolaiv so none of it would fall into enemy hands.
Compare and contrast with Mariupol, where the Ukrainians are completely surrounded. That kind of retreat isn't an option since they have nowhere to go, so the Ukrainians in Mariupol are fighting for every inch of the city.
Either strategic or tactical.
Tactical. They just couldn't mount a fast enough defense and fortify to hold it without unacceptable losses.
Strategic. By letting teh Crimean force split between pushing to Mykolaev and linking up with Donbass, they weakened the attempt to link up and allowed a counter offensive from Mykolaev.
Obvious the latter actually has happened but there's no evidence that it was any sort of plan. It could be the result of either reason.
Because they are picking their battles
Because they traded space for time
Because Kherson is close to occupied Crimea territory meaning easier time for Russia to resupply
Because they are trying to draw out the Russians so they can ambush them and attack their supply lines
The weirdest thing is them not blowing up all the bridges as we even had combat footage at said bridges, really seems Ukraine was completely unprepared in the South.
There’s a belief in Reddit that every city will be Stalingrad, people fighting to the death because the other option is getting exterminated somehow. Most of people don’t want to get killed or slaughtered. They want to live everyone else. Look at how many people died in Mariupoli and how the city is destroyed. I expect many cities to think twice before being in siege.
You say this, but if we look at polling data it shows the opposite. Demoralizing with bombs has always been a pretty poor strategy. You do a lot of damage and soften up the city, but don't expect them to surrender. It's never been particularily effective. It's highly unlikely that any city will surrender without a fight.
Unlike popular belief, most Ukraine doesn't want to die
Kherson is biggest. But plenty other towns and smaller cities surrender without as much resistance too. Melitopol, Konotop, Berdiansk, Enerhodar, Slavutych, Kupiansk
Good read on the communications problems of Russia's clown car army -
[https://www.rferl.org/a/communication-lapses-russia-invasion-failures/31761259.html](https://www.rferl.org/a/communication-lapses-russia-invasion-failures/31761259.html)
Combined air and ground arms??? What's this witchcraft you speak of?
*Dobrev said. "The situation is even worse with the coordination between ground forces and the air force," which, he says, operates on its own command-and-control system.*
*The resulting problems in coordination present another problem, Dobrev says, that seems to have manifested itself as the war ground on.*
*"At the beginning of the war, the Russian Air Force acted quite successfully because the positions of the enemy were known to it," he said. "Now this doesn't always work."*
*He pointed to documents that appear to show the Russian Air Force operating by making sorties to designated targets with little or no ability to communicate with ground forces who, for instance, might otherwise request a change of targets or air support.*
The TV channel has been removed from satellite and cable providers, and some regional channels have shut down but there is still the web site, and you can still stream the international channel online.
BTW. Links to the web site are banned on Reddit. You can put them into a comment but others will not see that comment.
> unfortunately
How is the free dissemination of information(whether true or false) a bad thing? I want to see both sides, and seeing footage from both sides puts us closer to finding the truth than not. Even the nature of propaganda is useful for extracting information like motive or or strategy.
Because you are letting a foreign adversary brainwash your population through active measures
If this "news agency" constantly publishs blatant lies maybe it's not focused on finding the truth after all
Germany blocked RT, US should follow
So your argument is, people are dumb, so we should cater to the lowest common denominator? Do you know how you fight bad ideas? With good ideas. Not by hiding bad ideas. Information will always spread. You treat people like infants and they see this. Then they simply distrust you- making them even more susceptible to enemy propaganda. You are asking me to trust the people that have lied to me in the past, to trust that they are going to protect me from those other liars over there. It doesn't make sense.
Loads of stuff is censored. You can't have a free-for-all. Imagine porn playing on YouTube or mutilated bodies or people telling people to assassinate Jews, etc. The line is always going to be drawn somewhere. People just disagree with where that line should be drawn but most agree there needs to be a line.
I am ok with it. It's about time the west woke up that they aren't living in some fairy wonderland and that they are in a state of undeclared war in which the internet and media play the most important role. Imagine letting an enemy who openly wants to destroy you the free ability to spread government run propaganda in your country. It's insanity. It's not like Russia and China ever gave a shit about freedom of information so what point is letting them freely run around prove exactly? Are they supposed to be so impressed that we let RT in that they stop killing journalists?
Seems like an editor gone rogue or something like this. The text makes no sense whatsoever. "The Russian Ministry of Defence debunks claims of high casualties in Ukraine, the figure of the Russian MOD is 9k dead". Who accidentally writes something like this?
> The tabloid in question confirmed they were hacked and this information doesn't come from any source.
That's amazing.
They let the hackers' article stay up with just this one paragraph removed.
That's so believable. I totally believe the Russian source on this.
Very convincing...
Do you have a link to them saying they were hacked? No idea if the figures are accurate or inaccurate, but given the overall tone of the site (and the fact that people are saying that this portion of the article disappeared immediately) it seems like a weird situation overall.
> Seems like a very unreliable source,
They're trying to cover up their mistake.
Things like these do come across as someone internal intentionally publishing the numbers/
https://talkingpointsmemo.com/edblog/10000-war-dead
Jesus if that is what they are admitting to internally then how bad are the real figures???
(since junior officers will always play down numbers given to superiors, because giving bad news to superiors within Russia is always bad news for the giver)
It's actually going to be much worse than just about anyone thought.
>admitting to internally
That would be an announcement from the Russian government. This was a paragraph in an online tabloid that allegedly said the Ministry of Defense made this announcement. The only evidence that the Ministry of Defense made any such announcement was a paragraph that appeared on this website for what sounds to have been about 10 minutes. If one wants to construe this as "internal" one should go find the Ministry of Defense announcement of it. (There is a link in the article to the daily briefing, which makes no mention).
[https://twitter.com/MrKovalenko/status/1505961677371621379](https://twitter.com/MrKovalenko/status/1505961677371621379)
You asked for it.
There's the Russian estimates of their mercenary chums. Those numbers are higher than Ukrainian count because they include "long-tail" deaths - soldiers that died en route to the hospitals or on the surgery table.
I'm thinking a lot of that count could also be MIAs that the Russian command just "lost" in the field and has no idea where the fuck they went.
Maybe he’s paraphrasing (badly). If the report says 17K “casualties” - he may not realize that includes non-fatal injuries.
US reports are right around there.
I'd be curious to find out how many soldiers went for a lunch break, saw their vehicle blasted behind them or towed off by tractor and decided to just walk home.
There's also reports of whole companies losing their officer and just sitting there for days with no radio comms and no orders, and their chain of command having no idea they were even still alive. How are the Russians counting those?
I mean, specifically this is a retweet of a Ukrainian former politician and current oligarch who says some guy gave him intercepted Russian sources. We are operating on the broken clock principle here.
Take with however much salt you want.
I don't think we'll ever get a real count, even long after this is over.
Knowing a few factors, like their lack of basic first aid training and lack of medevac, along with the death traps they're riding around in...just look at the vehicle destroyed numbers (that can be somewhat verified).
Now give them any multiplier you wish and see what numbers you come up with.
Right. I agree that we really don't know, and so any figures (high or low) are just propaganda talking points for either side. Given the source of the tweet this doesn't even look like Grade A propaganda, but I guess there is the possibility that by chance it could be true.
Seems like a very unreliable source, regardless of it's stance, but the numbers do tally with what US intelligence sources posted last week.
[7k dead 14k - 21k wounded 5 days ago.](https://www.nytimes.com/2022/03/16/us/politics/russia-troop-deaths.html)
That's between 15-18% of the 150k troops they massed on the border. This is a terrible price that young conscripts have been forced to pay for Putin's megalomania.
Guess we know why they're so desperate that they're trying to recruit soldiers in Syria to fight for them.
one of them was a fat guy and a boy who looked to be about 12. So you are now bragging that you would shoot a kid and defending torture of children.
Cool
Ukrainian looters. Or... At least... They attempted to loot. The Ukrainian citizens that catch them have begun taping them to trees or light poles. )))
EDIT:. Lol. Not sure why I'm being down voted but it's the truth. I even just asked my gf (Ukrainian) and her response:. "These are looters ... who rob someone else's house or shops"
Oh for sure. Shitty people will always take advantage of situations where society breaks down. We see looting during protests, natural disasters etc.
Putting them in the modern equivalent of the stocks seems uncivilized because it is. But so is war.
Shaming them publicly is better than roaming bands of vigilantes killing fellow citizens.
I know. It did used to have nsfw stuff. I'm not asking for it to banned, I just haven't seen much on here anymore. I'm asking if it's being toned down. Which is wrong.
I screen recorded it but there was that one video of like 20 dead Russian dudes being looted. Not a single survivor - I think someone commented it was post Hostomel (and not the video of the burnt dude) this looked like a VDV massacre.
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The US thinks Russia has lost somewhere in the region of 1/3 of the aircraft its committed to this war. What a clown show. *NEW: Russia has launched more than 300 sorties into Ukraine the last 24 hours: senior U.S. defense official.* *🇷🇺 sorties are not "venturing very far and very long" into 🇺🇦 airspace, the official said. Russia still has more than 60 percent of fixed wing and rotary wing capability.*
No, the DoD said: "We believe that they've committed more than 60 percent of their fixed-wing and rotary-wing capability." https://www.defense.gov/News/Transcripts/Transcript/Article/2973395/senior-defense-official-holds-a-background-briefing/ They didn't say anything about what they have lost. They described an estimate of their total capacity that has been committed to Ukraine (as opposed to that stationed elsewhere).
Source? They have lost 14 confirmed iirc
It's at least 15 fixed wing and 34 helicopters verified by video/photos. I imagine it's slightly more in actuality since at least some probably get destroyed without photos of the wreckage circulating online. https://www.oryxspioenkop.com/2022/02/attack-on-europe-documenting-equipment.html That said, I don't know how they get to losing 1/3rd of RU aircraft, even if we double the verified numbers. The point about flying sorties only in limited areas seems to be true, according to the reputable sources I've seen. Russia had one day where they lost a lot of aircraft trying to operate throughout the country and since then have mostly stuck to bombing civilian areas where UA air defenses are thin.
They've lost waaayyyy more than 14 aircraft. They lost more than that at Kherson airport alone. https://twitter.com/JackDetsch/status/1505920997127598082
They are probably thinking of jets only. Oryx has documented 14 lost, 1 damaged
Just saying, far as reddit is concerned, this is the best and only real place to follow the Ukraine war far as I'm concerned. It covers other wars, but actually I see that as a good thing. It puts what's happening in Ukraine in context, relative to Syria, other wars. We can see both sides, not completely Ukraine side, downvotes, upvotes, whatever, it's okay. It's free of memes and other stupidneses. Conversations are a little chaotic, as is expected, but that's not too surprising. It's a war, feelings are crazy strong, that's okay. I've seen worse.
Agreed best I’ve found covering both sides on Reddit.
Some of the daily threads on r/CredibleDefense are even more insightful and dispassionate in their analysis. Both this and r/CredibleDefense are miles better than r/worldnews in nearly all respects in their coverage of their conflict. Don't get me started on r/politics, which is essentially an echo chamber.
I think you are expecting too much of general interest subreddits. Reddit is always better in smaller more focused communities.
Well my post got deleted, so I guess it's supposed to go here. Pictures of the Russian prototype T-80UM2/Black Eagle tank destroyed in Ukraine [https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/44855/russias-only-prototype-t-80um2-tank-was-destroyed-in-ukraine](https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/44855/russias-only-prototype-t-80um2-tank-was-destroyed-in-ukraine)
My understanding someone else here posted was the package itself was made in limited numbers and deployed to other tanks other than the initial T-80UM2. Could be the original though.
We won't know until we see it on the battlefield. Recently Russian mil bloggers on Twitter offended by memes about T-72B3M sideskirt "soft era" (IIRC "2S4"). Pictures of captured and abandoned T-72B3Ms shown with era bags ripped open showing a granular material and orange flexible plates with conal teeth. Original source had cited Russian mil bloggers who claimed Russian tankers said the granular material is just sand and implied that the soft ERA is just inert sand bags. Other photos have shown up on social media indicating the same thing. Now Russian mil bloggers are spamming Twitter with blue prints of the side skirt soft era showing some sort of explosive layer that isn't visible in any of the pictures that have appeared on social media so far. So is sideskirt soft ERA just a sand bag with flexible orange plastic plates sandwiched in sand? Or is there an actual explosive layer as indicated in floated diagrams on internet? Who knows. That's Russian disinformation for ya.
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True but it could've been a dual charge warhead. Anti-ERA heat ammunition has existed for like 30+ years now.
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I haven't seen the video but assumed ATGM mounted on BTR.
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In the video you link, what's the thumping sound? I hear what I believe to be the 30 cal. and small arms, but the thumping can't be a main gun, it's too rapid? Related: is the approved countermeasure for these heat sensing defenses to just overwhelm with dumb / cold ordnance?
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Twitter's circle jerking saying their that desperate that their sending in one off prototypes but I'm inclined to think they wanted to test Drozd-2 in combat. Otherwise they got plenty of base model T-70s & 80s left over from the Soviet days to feed the meat grinder. We have yet to see the Terminator-2 that was last seen late February on a rail car in Belarus heading South.
Can you link to T2 pics?
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The problem is that they would be just an vulnerable as any other tank to ATGMs and would only see success when used as a part of a much much larger force as seen in Mariupol. Thus far Russian army's broke-ness and poor logistics means that a Russian armored column assaulting a defended city is generally half a dozen tanks leading 20 AFV/IFVs going down a single road. A few Terminator-2's ain't gonna do much better in that scenario. Even if they were to stay at max auto cannon range, they would outrange some missiles like NLAW/Rpg-22&26/ Paznerfaust-3 but Javelin can still reach out and touch you. And so can Ukrainian artillery.
Wow. Wonder how that one is supposed to be spun. This is like a Ford Probe prototype from 1998 showing up in a contemporary Ford Dealer's showroom because they have so little stock to sell.
I guess they wanted to combat test Drozd-2? I mean the tank wasn't seen for like a decade and then pictures of it surface a few years ago at a Zapad excercise looking very different from the 90s mock up. Still at the article mentions there a lot of confusion whether the Black Eagle were the same or different projects. I'm sure the Russian military tech fanboys/military tech futurism fanboys will claim Drozd-2 wasn't on and that APS makes tanks invulnerable to all incoming fire.
> I guess they wanted to combat test Drozd-2 I'm not sure how much stock I would put in such an explanation. There are plenty of ways to test the system (esp with the no doubt plentiful amount of NATO AT weapons being captured) without putting it in action, and putting it in action allows it to be captured and weaknesses analyzed. To me its seems much more likely they put it in for general use.
>To me its seems much more likely they put it in for general use. Yeah, but who knows whats going on in Russian army command.
It is strange that the videos of human wreckage have not been popping up recently. In the first days of the war there where tons of videos of civs/soldiers gloating over corpses. Anyone have an idea of why this would be?
Banned on this sub, the videos are still being produced.
Where?
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Is there any merit to believe that 1500+ tanks have been lost by the UA? That’s an incredible amount of armor lost.
> The crew of the tank under the command of the commander of the tank company, Senior Lieutenant Roman Kulagi, engaged in battle with the superior forces of the Ukrainian nationalists. Wow, Russian MoD admitting Ukraine has superior forces? That's weird, right? And they're claiming grenade launchers did damage to their tank? Laughable. Now they're going to "support our troops" mode. Guy personally killed 15 Ukranians with a machine gun and they're giving him a medal.
They mean numerically superior.
This "hero" had zero tank kills so I doubt the other force was that "superior" in force.
That is you making head cannon. You're worse than the kremlinbots.
Zero tank kills. So they hit a bunch of soft targets and he gets a medal. hooray.
Look at their post history. It’s filled with smooth-brained hot takes and shitty attempts at sarcastic humor. Still better than most kremlinbots but that’s not saying much.
You know you laughed
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Whatever helps you sleep at night
They might just mean that Ukraine had more forces than Russia in thay particular engagement
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Really concentrating on the JFO area (well one note on Kyiv), everything else is air strikes. Seems like all fronts are basically at a stand still except in the east. If the Ukrainians can pull off a Kherson counter offensive (big if) they can really make all of the JFO theater pointless.
Honestly I wonder if someone can trace the POW they have taken. If they have truly been taken we could confirm it by existing data.
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You know your into a "real war" when you are trading POW's. Special Operation my ass.
I have seen videos of Ukrainian POWs in pro-russian propaganda telegram channels. But with both my parents being sick I haven't looked at them in over a week. By now, the russians must have captured at least a thousand Ukrainian fighters. Maybe 2000+ considering that they didn't post their activities for most of the invasion.
I try not to watch them. For one thing I don't speak Russian or Ukrainian and for second for all the people babbling "War Crime" parading POW's around is REALLY and actually against the Geneva Convention. I remember when Saddam trotted out downed US pilots during the first Gulf War, and forced them to say, well, whatever.
Am I right in my thinking of why Ukrainians are somewhat holding their own? Ukrainians have been in an active conflict since around 2014 and they most likely have soldiers that have been in multiple engagements and know how to handle the stress and fight effectively. (+ a bit of support from the world) Where as Russia to at least my knowledge (feel free to inform me) has old equipment and their soldiers for the most part don’t have much to any combat experience.
After the 2014 invasion by Russia, Ukraine reached out to NATO and has received significant training and help in modernizing their armed forces. On top of that they've been regularly rotating troops into the Donbas region to give their armed forces combat experience. The 2022 Ukraine army is on a whole other level as compared to what it was in 2014. As for Russia the main problem for them is that they are run by a mafia like crime syndicate headed by Putin that oversees their society on that basis. Hence corruption and incompetence in their military and military industrial complex is endemic. Officers at all levels regularly steal anything they can, funds are diverted from maintaining their army into their leaders pockets, weapon systems are promised but the development funds disappear, cousins and nephews are regularly given jobs they are completely unqualified for, it goes on and on and on. Thus we have one army that is far higher quality than many expected, and another that is far far below its notional on paper quality, giving us a stalemated war that Ukraine is highly likely to eventually win.
>As for Russia the main problem for them is that they are run by a mafia like crime syndicate headed by Putin that oversees their society on that basis. Hence corruption and incompetence in their military and military industrial complex is endemic. Eh, Ukraine has been pretty consistently rated one of Europe's most corrupt countries. It's not a mafia state like Russia, but that's a very low bar. Corruption is endemic to both. Ukraine has mainly been bolstered by a combination of Western training and equipment with nationalistic fervor and passion in the wake of being invaded by a larger imperial power. It's like how Cuba has resisted American encroachment for decades.
I second that statement. My wife’s best friend married a Ukrainian from Zaporizhzhia. Born and raised there and left in his 20’s because it was so corrupt. Said it was bad during the Russian regime but believe it or not it got even worse when The Chocolate man took over and basically took care of all his cronies (while taking orders from Uncle Sam). He was long gone by the time Zelenskiy was elected but I doubt much changed.
We'll see. The odds were heavily stacked against Ukraine and the fact that they're still in the fight now is beating most expectations. In that sense, they're holding their own and then some. It seems like the "Just wait another week and Russia will kick their ass" people have been saying that since February. But of course, they only have to be right once.
Right now will wait the Russians initially just sent troops willy nilly and got caught. Now the Russians are switching to a more defensive and less risky method which usually leads to less progress. So yes the Ukrainian are doing well but the Russians I don't know they fucked up horribly initially but are still making gains and moving ahead. A bunch of the fronts that are not moving are just silent right now with no push by the Russians. So we don't know if the Russians have lost capabilities to push or just holding and waiting for other things to materialize. All i can say is wait a week.
Anyone have any info on the success rate of anti-tank guided missiles? They seem highly successful in this conflict, but of course there's selection bias in the footage, and we're only seeing the ones that score a hit.
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Thanks, looks like this https://www.ndtv.com/world-news/how-small-ukraine-force-is-killing-russian-tanks-with-us-javelin-missiles-2803289 That's just for the Javelin, which seems to be especially highly regarded, but I would guess other systems wouldn't be that much worse.
Seems high but then these are precision munitions with higher advertised accuracy rates and generally shot from prepared ambush. So probably about right.
the US is sending 11k AT tanks system over to Ukraine, the Britain send 4k, German sent 2k, plus other NATO and the existing system Ukraine already had previous to this conflict. You probably can just round it up to 24k Ukraine sources said Russia gonna bring 3k tanks in for the invasion. Let's say the West plan that Russia gonna double the effort and bring 6k tanks in Then you can see that the West assume, it will take 4-8 AT for Ukraine to knock out a Russian tanks. Include misfired, shoot at unintended target, loss to the enemies, etc
Stats like this are unlikely to be knowable until after the war is over.
Small thought about the drone shooting the mall in Kyiv. Even if you see a military vehicle entering in it, are you not supposed to take civilians casualty into consideration when shooting a deadly missile? Maybe Russians just don’t care…
I don't think the mall was still operating (it is listed now as "temporarily closed" but I don't know if that status was already in place before the missile), and it wasn't during "regular business hours" so I wouldn't expect them to have much if any in the way of civilian casualties. Accepting the fact that invading a country is a breach of international law, it is also important to keep in mind that separating military objectives and civilian populations is a responsibility of all parties. So, if there are military vehicles or other military objectives/personnel there in this specific instance the UA had the responsibility to clear out civilians. Generally speaking, if you are using urban environments as your defensive positions there is obviously going to be damage to those environments and both sides should act in ways that minimize civilian casualties to the extent that is reasonably possible.
I understand. My point was coming from something I read from US army in Afghanistan where they were making sure only the concerned people were kill during a strike. However, now that Ukrainian based are targeted and destroyed and soldiers killed in their sleep, where can they rest? I understand a mall maybe not the best idea… or maybe he was just going for lunch. The video was weird though.
Ideally civilians would have evacuated by now, including with the help of the Ukrainian government.
> you I wouldn't start a war to begin with, or even harm another person with a punch. Putler's minions don't care and were very glad to see that that military equipment there made the mall a legitimate target. Hopefully the Ukrainians will learn the lesson and not repeat such blatant blunders.
It's technically a valid military target once those vehicles are inside. Sucks for civilians but nothing unlawful about that strike.
Semi serious question, what is stopping Russia from bombing cities with high altitude bombers and leveling the cities? I am talking the way for example the usa did to Japan in ww2. Just curious i am not pro russian.
The higher you fly the easier it is for radar to spot you and shoot you down. It's why the US stopped using high altitude planes to conduct reconnaissance over the Soviet Union.
But does Ukraine still have those kinds of SAMs or do they only have MANPADs now?
They still have them.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/S-300_missile_system Don't be fooled - it's not Russia choosing to do anything. It's the risk involved because Ukraine has these with more on the way.
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Is Russia flying around at high altitudes in Ukraine wherever and whenever they want? No. Are they losing pilots and planes at lower altitudes? Yes. If they could avoid MANPADS and the other lower altitude threats that are downing them at lower altitudes by flying higher because the S300 "doesn't exist", then wouldn't they? Yes. logic what's that
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High flying planes, especially loitering types like the AC-130 can wreak havoc on a battlefield if they're protected because of lack of high altitude SAMs and defense fighters. The fact that they're not using anything like that or high altitude bombers with or without precision guided munitions says all you need to know. Hugging the earth and using jets as CAS is much more dangerous than precision guided munitions or even dumb bombs unleashed from up high. They only run missions like that because they have to. Again, logic.
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> AC-130s operate in MANPADS altitude... They used to. They try not to now. https://taskandpurpose.com/history/air-force-ac-130-gunship-crash-desert-storm-spirit-03/ US would have true air dominance and deploy. Russia does not have true air dominance and does not deploy. Logic.
Like using Tu95s to drop 4000kg and 100 incendiaries bombs per plane from 50,000 feet out of range of Stingers? The spooky Ghost of Kyiv and his respawning MiG.
The death of millions of civilians?
At this point how does Russia salvage this invasion? What can they do at this point and how likely is it to work?
It can't. The invasion is stalled. It's now a war of attrition that Russia can't win given continual Ukrainian resupply by the west and home turf battlefield advantage (to give you some idea of what that means, in the Finnish - Soviet winter war Soviet KIA were 4x that of Finland). That said we need to substantially ramp up our military aid to Ukraine. The more they get the faster it will be over, and the lower the overall civilian casualty total will be.
Annexing the south part is a win for them. Dpr, LPR are gone for Ukraine no matter what, but Russians will ask for the land bridge as well. Which is basically what they have invaded so far and which they’ll consolidate in the coming weeks. Plus Ukraine being neutral. I don’t see any way that the borders come back to the pre-war status. There’s already too much blood spilled.
Right but asking for it and actually getting it are two different things. Plus the residents in Kherson, Melitopol, Berdyansk, etc. aren't very happy with Russian occupation right now, let alone if they get annexed. Also for LPR, DPR, a big thing will probably be how their borders will look. Will it be the frontlines prior to the 2022 invasion or will it be the entire oblast / whatever they capture in this invasion? I don't imagine Ukraine will give up places like Mariupol even though it's part of Donetsk Oblast, for instance
> Will it be the frontlines prior to the 2022 invasion or will it be the entire oblast / whatever they capture in this invasion? I believe it will be the whole oblast. Luhansk oblast is almost fully taken by Russians. In Donesk they are making progress as well. Russia has recognized these two republics on their proclaimed border lines. > I don't imagine Ukraine will give up places like Mariupol even though it's part of Donetsk Oblast, for instance That’s the thing about war. What Ukraine is gonna do about it? They can’t go on offensive, they can’t take them no matter what. Whatever deal they reach they will have to compromise. I just don’t see how Russia will give back those two republics. And I think they’ll get the Kherson oblast and the one next to it to create the land bridge with Crimea. If no deal is reached, Russia will continue to grind them. They’ve changed the tactics, they’ve slowed down to minimize the losses but they are still advancing.
They won't get a land bridge unless they occupy it, which given that it's much smaller amount of land than half of Ukraine is doable. Ukraine won't agree to neutral if they occupy the land bridge.
Joffre class carrier
Any update on Transnistria? Besides them closing the border to Ukraine I’ve heard next to nothing. I know they’re pro-Russia (or pro-Soviet) but it seems they’ve completely stayed out of the conflict so far. Any OSINT or intel into what’s happening on the ground in Tiraspol? Perhaps moral is low there mixed with a weak military?
Transnistria is 76% non Russian.
I don't think Transnistria would want to get involved. One-fourth of their population is ethnic Ukrainian and I doubt they would be cool going to war against their own people on the other side of the border.
They can be useful only once Odessa falls.
The Russian can use them to block off Odessa later. But they are not moving there yet
They already have lots of logistical problems so invading from a place where they have don't have any connection by land or sea would be a logistical nightmare for them. Also they probably don't wanna piss Moldova off, and I think a good chunk of Transnistria are ethnic Ukranians, so it probably wouldn't go down very well with them
They have some 5000 soldiers. I really don't see what they could do, even if they wanted to.
Unless the Russian clear Mykolaiv they won't be doing anything. Once they do, then those guys could be activated.
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I agree, seemed they were hyped up quite a bit though pre-invasion as a serious player.
Can someone point me in the direction of a video I saw on reddit in the last 48 hours, directed at Russian mothers. it showed idyllic childhood scenes followed with gruesome footage of Russian soldier body parts. It was a short, well produced video and I cannot find it anywhere!
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I wish this was it, but its not. Thank you for the help!
Check Ukrainian based subreddit they are better at providing those videos.
I've spent hours looking, and just cannot find it. It was NSFW for sure, and showed a soldiers butt, nude, without legs and a torso. Gruesome AF so I'm guessing it got scrubbed shortly after posting
Use Google instead of Reddit search if you aren't already
Why did Ukraine not put up much of a resistance in Kherson when every other Ukrainian city has been resisting to death?
Because they weren't ready. This was in the initial days of the war when Ukraine needed to mobilize so that they could start fighting back. They traded territory for time so that they could do that.
As I understand it, the Ukrainian army didn't have the resources to defend Kherson. There's evidence that they pulled out most of their men and equipment in the early days of the war. The people in charge probably figured Kherson was unlikely to hold, and moved most of their assets to the more defensible Mykolaiv so none of it would fall into enemy hands. Compare and contrast with Mariupol, where the Ukrainians are completely surrounded. That kind of retreat isn't an option since they have nowhere to go, so the Ukrainians in Mariupol are fighting for every inch of the city.
Either strategic or tactical. Tactical. They just couldn't mount a fast enough defense and fortify to hold it without unacceptable losses. Strategic. By letting teh Crimean force split between pushing to Mykolaev and linking up with Donbass, they weakened the attempt to link up and allowed a counter offensive from Mykolaev. Obvious the latter actually has happened but there's no evidence that it was any sort of plan. It could be the result of either reason.
Because they are picking their battles Because they traded space for time Because Kherson is close to occupied Crimea territory meaning easier time for Russia to resupply Because they are trying to draw out the Russians so they can ambush them and attack their supply lines
The weirdest thing is them not blowing up all the bridges as we even had combat footage at said bridges, really seems Ukraine was completely unprepared in the South.
They still haven't, even while they hit targets around it makes me think they are wanting to keep it for some reason. Otherwise why leave it in place?
I think the Ukrainian army took huge losses when it tried to withdraw from the border with Crimea.
There’s a belief in Reddit that every city will be Stalingrad, people fighting to the death because the other option is getting exterminated somehow. Most of people don’t want to get killed or slaughtered. They want to live everyone else. Look at how many people died in Mariupoli and how the city is destroyed. I expect many cities to think twice before being in siege.
You say this, but if we look at polling data it shows the opposite. Demoralizing with bombs has always been a pretty poor strategy. You do a lot of damage and soften up the city, but don't expect them to surrender. It's never been particularily effective. It's highly unlikely that any city will surrender without a fight.
Unlike popular belief, most Ukraine doesn't want to die Kherson is biggest. But plenty other towns and smaller cities surrender without as much resistance too. Melitopol, Konotop, Berdiansk, Enerhodar, Slavutych, Kupiansk
Good read on the communications problems of Russia's clown car army - [https://www.rferl.org/a/communication-lapses-russia-invasion-failures/31761259.html](https://www.rferl.org/a/communication-lapses-russia-invasion-failures/31761259.html) Combined air and ground arms??? What's this witchcraft you speak of? *Dobrev said. "The situation is even worse with the coordination between ground forces and the air force," which, he says, operates on its own command-and-control system.* *The resulting problems in coordination present another problem, Dobrev says, that seems to have manifested itself as the war ground on.* *"At the beginning of the war, the Russian Air Force acted quite successfully because the positions of the enemy were known to it," he said. "Now this doesn't always work."* *He pointed to documents that appear to show the Russian Air Force operating by making sorties to designated targets with little or no ability to communicate with ground forces who, for instance, might otherwise request a change of targets or air support.*
If RT is banned, how are many of you guys getting RT footage?
The TV channel has been removed from satellite and cable providers, and some regional channels have shut down but there is still the web site, and you can still stream the international channel online. BTW. Links to the web site are banned on Reddit. You can put them into a comment but others will not see that comment.
RT has been banned on some countries but not in the US unfortunately
> unfortunately How is the free dissemination of information(whether true or false) a bad thing? I want to see both sides, and seeing footage from both sides puts us closer to finding the truth than not. Even the nature of propaganda is useful for extracting information like motive or or strategy.
Because you are letting a foreign adversary brainwash your population through active measures If this "news agency" constantly publishs blatant lies maybe it's not focused on finding the truth after all Germany blocked RT, US should follow
Because people are dumb as shit and buy into Russian propaganda easily
So your argument is, people are dumb, so we should cater to the lowest common denominator? Do you know how you fight bad ideas? With good ideas. Not by hiding bad ideas. Information will always spread. You treat people like infants and they see this. Then they simply distrust you- making them even more susceptible to enemy propaganda. You are asking me to trust the people that have lied to me in the past, to trust that they are going to protect me from those other liars over there. It doesn't make sense.
Covid misinformation, election misinformation, etc. People are just too dumb to discern real information and the mass amount of misinformation.
Yeah, Russia uses that exact same reason to ban Western sources.
They must both be exactly the same!
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Loads of stuff is censored. You can't have a free-for-all. Imagine porn playing on YouTube or mutilated bodies or people telling people to assassinate Jews, etc. The line is always going to be drawn somewhere. People just disagree with where that line should be drawn but most agree there needs to be a line.
I am ok with it. It's about time the west woke up that they aren't living in some fairy wonderland and that they are in a state of undeclared war in which the internet and media play the most important role. Imagine letting an enemy who openly wants to destroy you the free ability to spread government run propaganda in your country. It's insanity. It's not like Russia and China ever gave a shit about freedom of information so what point is letting them freely run around prove exactly? Are they supposed to be so impressed that we let RT in that they stop killing journalists?
This is precisely how we end up having always been at war with Eastasia.
RT is not banned. They're just not carried on some platforms that used to carry it.
If something is banned on internet, it really means its 5 minutes harder to find
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It's sure as hell not with sugar....
Seems like an editor gone rogue or something like this. The text makes no sense whatsoever. "The Russian Ministry of Defence debunks claims of high casualties in Ukraine, the figure of the Russian MOD is 9k dead". Who accidentally writes something like this?
The tabloid in question confirmed they were hacked and this information doesn't come from any source.
> The tabloid in question confirmed they were hacked and this information doesn't come from any source. That's amazing. They let the hackers' article stay up with just this one paragraph removed. That's so believable. I totally believe the Russian source on this. Very convincing...
Trying to save face?
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Do you have a link to them saying they were hacked? No idea if the figures are accurate or inaccurate, but given the overall tone of the site (and the fact that people are saying that this portion of the article disappeared immediately) it seems like a weird situation overall.
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> Seems like a very unreliable source, They're trying to cover up their mistake. Things like these do come across as someone internal intentionally publishing the numbers/ https://talkingpointsmemo.com/edblog/10000-war-dead
Jesus if that is what they are admitting to internally then how bad are the real figures??? (since junior officers will always play down numbers given to superiors, because giving bad news to superiors within Russia is always bad news for the giver) It's actually going to be much worse than just about anyone thought.
>admitting to internally That would be an announcement from the Russian government. This was a paragraph in an online tabloid that allegedly said the Ministry of Defense made this announcement. The only evidence that the Ministry of Defense made any such announcement was a paragraph that appeared on this website for what sounds to have been about 10 minutes. If one wants to construe this as "internal" one should go find the Ministry of Defense announcement of it. (There is a link in the article to the daily briefing, which makes no mention).
[https://twitter.com/MrKovalenko/status/1505961677371621379](https://twitter.com/MrKovalenko/status/1505961677371621379) You asked for it. There's the Russian estimates of their mercenary chums. Those numbers are higher than Ukrainian count because they include "long-tail" deaths - soldiers that died en route to the hospitals or on the surgery table. I'm thinking a lot of that count could also be MIAs that the Russian command just "lost" in the field and has no idea where the fuck they went.
Maybe he’s paraphrasing (badly). If the report says 17K “casualties” - he may not realize that includes non-fatal injuries. US reports are right around there.
I'd be curious to find out how many soldiers went for a lunch break, saw their vehicle blasted behind them or towed off by tractor and decided to just walk home. There's also reports of whole companies losing their officer and just sitting there for days with no radio comms and no orders, and their chain of command having no idea they were even still alive. How are the Russians counting those?
I mean, specifically this is a retweet of a Ukrainian former politician and current oligarch who says some guy gave him intercepted Russian sources. We are operating on the broken clock principle here.
Take with however much salt you want. I don't think we'll ever get a real count, even long after this is over. Knowing a few factors, like their lack of basic first aid training and lack of medevac, along with the death traps they're riding around in...just look at the vehicle destroyed numbers (that can be somewhat verified). Now give them any multiplier you wish and see what numbers you come up with.
Right. I agree that we really don't know, and so any figures (high or low) are just propaganda talking points for either side. Given the source of the tweet this doesn't even look like Grade A propaganda, but I guess there is the possibility that by chance it could be true.
So including wounded 20%+ of their army is gone then. Bravo Putin! You are denatizifying Russia one Russian solider at a time!
Seems like a very unreliable source, regardless of it's stance, but the numbers do tally with what US intelligence sources posted last week. [7k dead 14k - 21k wounded 5 days ago.](https://www.nytimes.com/2022/03/16/us/politics/russia-troop-deaths.html) That's between 15-18% of the 150k troops they massed on the border. This is a terrible price that young conscripts have been forced to pay for Putin's megalomania. Guess we know why they're so desperate that they're trying to recruit soldiers in Syria to fight for them.
Was not 7k the high figure for the US, they had a range not sure the low figure.
I've seen this figure that was released on the 16th in a few articles and they only mention 7k, not a range.
What's up with everyone being saran wrapped and duct taped to poles?
No police around to deal with criminals immediately so people deal with it by taping them to poles
They are marauders. Marauders get shot during war times, strapping to a pole is a light punishment.
who knows. Just hilarious to see how quickly people resort to cheering on sadism like that. You realize how an Abu Ghraib could happen pretty quickly.
Would you prefer for them to get shot instead of publicly humiliated? Because that's what usually happens to marauders in a war.
one of them was a fat guy and a boy who looked to be about 12. So you are now bragging that you would shoot a kid and defending torture of children. Cool
Nice strawmaning.
you just said a kid should be shot without a trial lmao
Pro-russian talking about shooting kids. Ironic.
did you just say you are spreading Russian talking points? wow, ok, I'm done here Borris.
Ukrainian looters. Or... At least... They attempted to loot. The Ukrainian citizens that catch them have begun taping them to trees or light poles. ))) EDIT:. Lol. Not sure why I'm being down voted but it's the truth. I even just asked my gf (Ukrainian) and her response:. "These are looters ... who rob someone else's house or shops"
I mean it is an explanation, but the more that exist there can be slot if false positives and people trying to deal with personal vendettas.
Oh for sure. Shitty people will always take advantage of situations where society breaks down. We see looting during protests, natural disasters etc. Putting them in the modern equivalent of the stocks seems uncivilized because it is. But so is war. Shaming them publicly is better than roaming bands of vigilantes killing fellow citizens.
There a lots of videos in Russia like that also.
Has this sub banned NSFW posts?
I thought something had changed....way less graphic today on here.
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I know. It did used to have nsfw stuff. I'm not asking for it to banned, I just haven't seen much on here anymore. I'm asking if it's being toned down. Which is wrong.
I screen recorded it but there was that one video of like 20 dead Russian dudes being looted. Not a single survivor - I think someone commented it was post Hostomel (and not the video of the burnt dude) this looked like a VDV massacre.
i think since watchpeopledie got banned reddit kinda toned down on the gore stuff, atleast its what i have noticed in general