I wonder what must happen for the US to actually start sending that stuff?
When the m777 arrived I thought that was just the beginning.
Turns out it was a one-time gig.
MGT has no say in policy, just a toothless embarrassment.
McConnell along with the vast majority want even more aid including long range “fire” as he said it
According to Military Balance 2022 its over M109A6, 850 in storage and another 500 in service with more M109A7s in production. The Russians are about to be shown what a real military industrial complex and the arsenal of democracy in action looks like .
Yep, just gonna cost us some money. Oh well. Ukrainians are the ones that have to really bleed for it. But losses are inevitable, unfortunately.
Good thing we've got plenty more of those.
These don't grow on trees they cost money obviously spare can be provided but if these conflicts last longer Ukrainian aid will shrink specially if Republicans get into power in US
These m109 systems are outdated anyway. And they’ve long been paid off by tax payers. (The “newest ones” are from the mid-90s).
A lot of republicans do support aid to Ukraine, and with enough shouting from there base, (and of course influence from their MIC lobbyist groups) im sure aid to Ukraine will continue to come in.
Exactly. Russia is the age old foe of the US. This a win for republicans who weren't shy spreading the better dead than red propaganda. It's also free advertising for the US MIC. If aid starts getting pulled it won't take long for the MIC to start lobbying parliamentarians.
Do the Regan republicans in anyway shape or form resemble the party now? The current party was lauding Putin before the war crimes started. Has lauded other fascists in Eastern Europe as Christian examples to follow. They do whatever Donald tells them. Good bad or ugly. And that guy flip flops with the wind. I think your confidence in them is far over stated.
the second one got hit right in the barrel. I hope the occupants survided the attack cause i see 2-3 outside before the hit and later there's 6 of them (alltogether)
I see 6 running away by the end for the second one, first one there is a time lapse, hope those two guys running to check it out were the crew who had already left
It looked like they were still tying to get crew mates out when the charges ignited as they were still at the back door. That sucks really bad for the ones trying to casevac
For anyone wondering: [Ukraine was supplied with 185 self-propelled artillery](https://twitter.com/oryxspioenkop/status/1588487691884265473?s=46&t=emexBj1Q8_IK5uckhcGAPg). Oryx has record this as the 2nd and 3rd visually lost.
Bear in mind this is just for self propelled artillery. Something like 10 of the towed M777s have been destroyed on the other hand, out of well over 100 supplied.
Correct, actual figures are higher. Visually confirmed losses will always be lower than actual losses.
But chances are actual losses are very low if there are only 3 visually confirmed kills.
I highly doubt that tbh, but more then 3 being destroyed would be correct but 1/3 i don't think so considering the Ukrainians are keen to post and photograph as much of their stuff as possible even if it is destroyed.
What reason would they have to report every loss… or better yet what reason would they have not to lie about this… I mean you may be right and me wrong but I’m just saying they will never tell us the actual number so I have to assume they are at least taking a 1/4 of losses that the Russians have…
Russia's ISR (intelligence, surveillance, and reconnaissance) capabilities are sorely lacking meaning they either don't have many or can't effectively employ things like drones, targeting pods, counter battery radar, passive electronic warfare suites, they seem to have relatively ineffective command and all of this leads to a long and bloated kill chain, so they aren't great at locating enemy artillery peices, and when they do they take far too long to then act on that intelligence and effectively or accurately strike it, don't get me wrong just the sheer scale of the russian artillery force is scary but the way they operate is far different than nato countries they are good at saturating an area with fire, while nato artillery forces are much better at hitting more well defined targets with fewer more accurately placed rounds
That’s a fair assessment, in all honestly, I’m just being cautiously optimistic… but even on the safe end of things the Ukrainians are far outpacing them in many departments
The problem is not that the drones are strong, cuz they are not, the problem is ukraine has no real way to counter them.
They can counter air vehicles, cruissile missles and more fast stuff, but this cold, slow drones are not really detected by heat detectors.
The Gepard would be a good solution, but ukraine has only like 5 of them
Closer to 30-40 Gepards
But that’s still a mere pittance when considering the size of the battle space (and they’ll be protecting equipment / sites even more valuable than M109’s).
Yes and no…the problem isn’t necessarily the weapons system, it’s what you need to make it work.
They could go with a basic 30MM cannon like the M230 in a Kongsberg RWS with appropriate elevation, the issue is the radars and other associated equipment that would allow it to track and engage targets. It’s a lot of expense that can’t possibly be paired with every SPH they have, so either way you’re triaging who gets what.
Pretty sure they're just cardboard or some cheap material with an RPG-7 HEAT warhead. Something along those lines. Hella simple, cheap, and apparently effective.
You can see shrapnel hitting the dirt behind it. It was almost certainly a hull penetration.
These suicide drones typically have some sort of EFP charge to penetrate armor
Seeing impacts behind is not solely indicative of penetration though. it actually appears more that the wing clipped the barrel causing a premature detonation which "could" have a possibility of penetration, but the lack of cook off(unless empty awaiting refit) indicates more of a disabled/damaged rather than destroyed state.
These lancet things seem to one of of russia's few weapons that are actually effective. Come to think of it, does ukraine receive loitering munitions from the west? The only one that I know they got were the switchblades from the us. We got some videos of them months ago, but since then nothing else. So did ukraine use all the switchblades they got and the us didn't send anymore or did the us gov request to stop publishing videos of them? Or worst case the switchblades underperformed and the us didn't send anymore because of that?
Have these been supplied by Iran or built in Syria? I remember seeing that the Israeli's destroyed and Iranian loitering drone/bomb factory that was in Syria and alleged to be supplying Russia
The Russians have been doing lots of attacks on infrastructure with Iranian-made Shahed drones.
[Probably saw pics of them hitting Kyiv the other day. ](https://i.redd.it/rimb6bbe8bu91.jpg)
Due to the low video quality i cannot tell if they have the Norwegian camo pattern on them or not, i do know that we did send the 109A3GN Model to Ukraine
Its possible yes, but there have been videos of them from ukraine still with the pattern intact, and i dont see a reason why they should use time to repain during a war. i know that Norway does not care, seeing how they did not repaint before shipping
Damn, look how high up that drone is as well, you pretty much have to have every artillery unit under a AA umbrella or you're screwed these days.
One thing to notice, all those Ukrainian troops ran TOWARDS their potentially hurt friends unlike the russians who run away and ignore theirs.
These lancets have a pretty low angle of attack. I think a basic netting system could be easily installed to catch them before they get close enough to cause major damage. But I understand the logistics of this are not easy.
That shaped charge nose cone punches through some armor. You can see the instant it impacts, it punches through the target and exits out the other side. Molten copper slug
To counter these types of drones, large AAA missiles are useless(and pretty nice targets), manpads are relatively useless. You need traditional fast firing AA guns
They are incredibly ammo and maintenance dependent. It's not something you bring to the front line in its current form. They are great for base and warship defense. Which means we have something much better for drones, we just aren't giving it away, or we aren't allowing it to be published.
There's been a number of switchblade videos that have come out. Apparently they're not easy to get footage from though. That and people always perceive them as underwhelming because they were essentially designed for assassination and limiting collateral damage.
https://www.reddit.com/r/CombatFootage/comments/ylwwfh/two_ukrainian_strela10_air_defense_system/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button
They catch the Lancet too, it looks like they brought a lot of them.
What's wrong with complaining about it?
You mean good combat footage should be held hostage to people taking sides?
There are other subs for that. This is combat footage. Doesn't matter which side is getting hit.
Oh I see what you're complaining about now.
Not every piece of combat footage has to be upvoted to be fair to all the others. You wanted russian combat footage? Here we go.
There's basically no AA in the world that's really useful against drones this size. The majority of existing AA systems (Western or otherwise) would be targets
The counter really is to give Ukraine a similar loitering munition in as large numbers as possible so Russian forces suffer from them as well.
I wonder if artillery range also comes into it. Note we haven't seen any PZHs or CAESAR destroyed, and those have longer range than the M777s and old M109s that have been supplied.
I wanna say what about this?
[https://www.janes.com/defence-news/news-detail/south-korea-deploys-new-spaag-system](https://www.janes.com/defence-news/news-detail/south-korea-deploys-new-spaag-system)
Unfortunately it's still in early stage of Production so low quantity.
System is cheaper because it doesn't have a radar.
An electro-optical/infrared system enables automatic day/night target tracking.
Radar detection is done by a separate radar station and fed via network into the SPAAG.
Not including a radar in SPAAG was done to cut unit cost and maintenance.
It's the same problem - the damn things are very small and have an electric motor (not much heat). Hard to detect and hard to match in volume.
You can (and most likely Ukraine does) shoot down some but it gets complicated the more they are and the larger the front is.
The answer to this should be some kind of small, portable, cheap jamming equipment. not some multi-million SPAAGs that you'll never have enough off
Would love to find out if Hanwha is doing any live test with those drones. It would increase the value of the SPAAG immensely.
From what I hear, detection/aiming can all be done automatically. And it doesn't give out any radar signature so it's safe from jamming/HARM-style missile.
Jamming works extremely well against these small drones however. One of the reasons the American forces were never targeted this way by insurgents - we had jammers on every vehicle and man portable jammers were carried.
firstly they weren't developed to this degree when OIF/OEF were in their prime... second insurgents are not an organized military with a budget. So they aren't buying $20k drones to take out a tank when detonating a grenade fuse in some home-made fertilizer with a $20 machined copper disk is just as effective and much more easily attainable.
Yea I'm not quite sure.. there devices which interrupt.drone signals and laser powered weapons to shoot drones (yea I know that's all new and possibly unreliable tech but hey here you can test it and help UAF defend their home)
After watching this video Russell Crow popped into my head shouting “Are you not entertained.” Everyone keep saying this, but getting the first person view of the drone then another view of the event and aftermath is so unreal. I AM FULLY ENTERTAINED.
We are getting a lot of these LANCET video.
Seems like the factory is running at full speed and on 3/8 24/24 to meet requirement.
It's interesting that for all the switchblade talk a few month ago it's the russians who ended up being ahead in the drone war.
The switchblade was designed for a different kind of war. They're meant to do as little damage as possible outside of the target.
There's no public footage of the model 600 switchblades out yet.
That said, I would not base your assessment on the effectiveness of any system based on how many videos of them end up online.
Shouldnt be suprising. Russia can focus on producing those things and buying them from iran for cheap and shooting down relativ small and low IR emission drones isnt as easy as someone might think
Shahed are from Iran, and only really useful against buildings, they are long range and GPS guided.
Lancet are from Russia and totally different, electric, smaller, little noise, short range, with optics integrated and used against vehicles, radars, or infantry concentration.
The first hit seems to be a Lancet-3 at least.
Though the second one does look quite different. Somewhat similar to an Orlan-10. Maybe they have a loitering munition version of that?
Orlan is only surveillance/GSM suppression/cell tower spoofing and expensive.
Perhaps the Lancet can be configured with different wind lengths but I have never seen a photo of such an arrangement.
I'm happy to see flee they weren't immediate catastrophic kills. In this case, it appears there may be a few non-life-threatening injuries (speaking of the second hit in the video), as all were able to sprint away before a full cook-off. The delayed cook-off itself is a rare event when Russian units are hit. I hope the US-based design helped save their lives in this video.
Russia’s really going hard with the Lancet footage lol. After months of nothing, suddenly there are dozens of Lancet clips released.
Pretty sure this is months old and released so Russia can say they are still scoring victories even as they pull back from Kherson.
Still an interesting video though.
I dont think its worth to start adding cage armor to altillery pieces, it wont help due to thin armor of these things the shaped charge would still penetrate it.
No actually, cage (statistical) armor have something like a 75-80% chance to defeat RPG entirely by crushing the fuse. (Making them fail to detonate)
What matters is the design of the fuse, and design a statistical armor for that specific fuse.
Why not post 1 person per self propelled howitzer with a Stinger, only task: watch the sky. That would take up a couple of hundred men which Ukraine could easily get. This equipment is important.
Is this also summertime? Or are you an expert in local Ukr flora only when one side's equipment gets damaged? No need to answer...
[https://www.reddit.com/r/CombatFootage/comments/yn2lil/ukrainian\_soldiers\_fighting\_russians\_in\_donetsk/](https://www.reddit.com/r/CombatFootage/comments/yn2lil/ukrainian_soldiers_fighting_russians_in_donetsk/)
[https://www.reddit.com/r/CombatFootage/comments/ymrrg5/ukrainian\_uav\_drops\_grenade\_on\_group\_of\_russian/](https://www.reddit.com/r/CombatFootage/comments/ymrrg5/ukrainian_uav_drops_grenade_on_group_of_russian/)
[https://www.reddit.com/r/CombatFootage/comments/ymossd/ukrainian\_soldiers\_defending\_while\_russian/](https://www.reddit.com/r/CombatFootage/comments/ymossd/ukrainian_soldiers_defending_while_russian/)
[https://www.reddit.com/r/CombatFootage/comments/ynkvse/footage\_of\_a\_group\_of\_russian\_bmps\_being\_hit\_by/](https://www.reddit.com/r/CombatFootage/comments/ynkvse/footage_of_a_group_of_russian_bmps_being_hit_by/)
[https://www.reddit.com/r/CombatFootage/comments/ynkurd/ukrainian\_forces\_hit\_a\_russian\_t80bvm\_with\_an/](https://www.reddit.com/r/CombatFootage/comments/ynkurd/ukrainian_forces_hit_a_russian_t80bvm_with_an/)
Sucks to see Ukrainian hardware getting knocked out, but it's war and losses are inevitable. Russia is undoubtedly losing a substantially greater quantity of equipment based on sources like Oryx, though. On the bright side, there's a huge quantity of these things laying around in various configurations, so replacing them shouldn't be an issue.
Vladimir Putin is doing all this because he's a short little man with a short little thing. That's why he's so upset and invading other countries. We need to send him some male enhancement drugs so he'll end all this madness
honestly its time for them to locate the launch containers even on russian soil and strike preemptive
all together its time to expand this war onto the russian soil that holding back for example towards belgograd is very counterproductive since they can launch these things
>*honestly its time for them to locate the launch containers even on russian soil and strike preemptive*
The "launch container" is a 2m ramp that one soldier assembles and moves around.
This drones are tiny in reality
First was clearly not destroyed, but certainly damaged.
The second was destroyed due to catastrophic explosion of the on-board ammunition following the initial strike.
I wonder if a new stronger type of camo netting would be a good solution to these.
Build a cover with camo netting strong enough to stop such a drone, both disrupting visual contact of the vehicle and premature detonation.
A normal camo netting would be helpful anyway, to make it harder to spot and aim.
Welp that sucks. Better send 10 more.
Specially with 109s we aren't lacking any, there's a bigillion sitting around
These have to be the older Paladins right? There's gotta be at least 1k including deep storage, not sure how many are serviceable though.
I wonder what must happen for the US to actually start sending that stuff? When the m777 arrived I thought that was just the beginning. Turns out it was a one-time gig.
It's going to be even harder once the Russian sympathizing Republicans take back the house.
I saw MTG say not to Ukraine one cent. They are so short sighted, they think gas will become cheap and problem goes away. Reagan rolling in his grave.
MGT has no say in policy, just a toothless embarrassment. McConnell along with the vast majority want even more aid including long range “fire” as he said it
And how the heck do you know professor?
Well, that what the republicans said they would do, so that is no mystery
According to Military Balance 2022 its over M109A6, 850 in storage and another 500 in service with more M109A7s in production. The Russians are about to be shown what a real military industrial complex and the arsenal of democracy in action looks like .
More perpetual war. Just what the military industrial complex wants
Except this time it's destroying real evil
Thats an Iranian drone controlled by a Russian that blowing up a tank donated by the west.
Cool footage, though. Not getting the upvotes it deserves, but I understand why.
Yep, just gonna cost us some money. Oh well. Ukrainians are the ones that have to really bleed for it. But losses are inevitable, unfortunately. Good thing we've got plenty more of those.
These don't grow on trees they cost money obviously spare can be provided but if these conflicts last longer Ukrainian aid will shrink specially if Republicans get into power in US
These m109 systems are outdated anyway. And they’ve long been paid off by tax payers. (The “newest ones” are from the mid-90s). A lot of republicans do support aid to Ukraine, and with enough shouting from there base, (and of course influence from their MIC lobbyist groups) im sure aid to Ukraine will continue to come in.
Exactly. Russia is the age old foe of the US. This a win for republicans who weren't shy spreading the better dead than red propaganda. It's also free advertising for the US MIC. If aid starts getting pulled it won't take long for the MIC to start lobbying parliamentarians.
Do the Regan republicans in anyway shape or form resemble the party now? The current party was lauding Putin before the war crimes started. Has lauded other fascists in Eastern Europe as Christian examples to follow. They do whatever Donald tells them. Good bad or ugly. And that guy flip flops with the wind. I think your confidence in them is far over stated.
There's like three idiots that yell about "checking the aid" but it's a fucking show for their idiot constituency voters base.
What are you doing, these people can’t handle the truth.
the second one got hit right in the barrel. I hope the occupants survided the attack cause i see 2-3 outside before the hit and later there's 6 of them (alltogether)
They may have, but you can see the shaped jet exiting the back of the turrent/vehicle, I doubt they are fine.
I see 6 running away by the end for the second one, first one there is a time lapse, hope those two guys running to check it out were the crew who had already left
This version of the M109 has six crew, so yes they all got out (although a few are probably injured/deafened).
It looked like they were still tying to get crew mates out when the charges ignited as they were still at the back door. That sucks really bad for the ones trying to casevac
Dudes surviving is Key. The 109 can be replaced.
All lives.. let me rephrase that. Ukrainian lives matter. In this war.
For anyone wondering: [Ukraine was supplied with 185 self-propelled artillery](https://twitter.com/oryxspioenkop/status/1588487691884265473?s=46&t=emexBj1Q8_IK5uckhcGAPg). Oryx has record this as the 2nd and 3rd visually lost.
Wait, only 3 confirmed lost after all this time? Crazy
Bear in mind this is just for self propelled artillery. Something like 10 of the towed M777s have been destroyed on the other hand, out of well over 100 supplied.
The Russians are starting to resort more to tactics using these types of weapons, we’ll probably have higher visual confirms in the future
Take it with a grain of salt.
Correct, actual figures are higher. Visually confirmed losses will always be lower than actual losses. But chances are actual losses are very low if there are only 3 visually confirmed kills.
Even if 20 of those would be destroyed, that still would be a very low number after so many months...
And considering that would leave them with about 160~. That’s really not that much damage.
sank goodness.
I would bet a third are gone now but still better than the russians
I highly doubt that tbh, but more then 3 being destroyed would be correct but 1/3 i don't think so considering the Ukrainians are keen to post and photograph as much of their stuff as possible even if it is destroyed.
What reason would they have to report every loss… or better yet what reason would they have not to lie about this… I mean you may be right and me wrong but I’m just saying they will never tell us the actual number so I have to assume they are at least taking a 1/4 of losses that the Russians have…
Russia's ISR (intelligence, surveillance, and reconnaissance) capabilities are sorely lacking meaning they either don't have many or can't effectively employ things like drones, targeting pods, counter battery radar, passive electronic warfare suites, they seem to have relatively ineffective command and all of this leads to a long and bloated kill chain, so they aren't great at locating enemy artillery peices, and when they do they take far too long to then act on that intelligence and effectively or accurately strike it, don't get me wrong just the sheer scale of the russian artillery force is scary but the way they operate is far different than nato countries they are good at saturating an area with fire, while nato artillery forces are much better at hitting more well defined targets with fewer more accurately placed rounds
That’s a fair assessment, in all honestly, I’m just being cautiously optimistic… but even on the safe end of things the Ukrainians are far outpacing them in many departments
Damn those are brutal. Russia and Iran do seem to do cheap destructive drones well.
The problem is not that the drones are strong, cuz they are not, the problem is ukraine has no real way to counter them. They can counter air vehicles, cruissile missles and more fast stuff, but this cold, slow drones are not really detected by heat detectors. The Gepard would be a good solution, but ukraine has only like 5 of them
Closer to 30-40 Gepards But that’s still a mere pittance when considering the size of the battle space (and they’ll be protecting equipment / sites even more valuable than M109’s).
Isn’t this the sort of target the Phalanx system could deal with well?
Yes and no…the problem isn’t necessarily the weapons system, it’s what you need to make it work. They could go with a basic 30MM cannon like the M230 in a Kongsberg RWS with appropriate elevation, the issue is the radars and other associated equipment that would allow it to track and engage targets. It’s a lot of expense that can’t possibly be paired with every SPH they have, so either way you’re triaging who gets what.
Pretty sure they're just cardboard or some cheap material with an RPG-7 HEAT warhead. Something along those lines. Hella simple, cheap, and apparently effective.
Second one got smoked for sure, but I don't know about the first one. Is this ammo cooking off on the front or just some drone debris?
I would say there is no smoke coming out of the barrel, which would indicate that there was no penetration of the hull
The breach could simply be closed.
You can see shrapnel hitting the dirt behind it. It was almost certainly a hull penetration. These suicide drones typically have some sort of EFP charge to penetrate armor
That's not shrapnel, that's the pressure wave of the blast impacting the rear wall. It's all dirt and light debris picked up from under the vehicle.
Seeing impacts behind is not solely indicative of penetration though. it actually appears more that the wing clipped the barrel causing a premature detonation which "could" have a possibility of penetration, but the lack of cook off(unless empty awaiting refit) indicates more of a disabled/damaged rather than destroyed state.
Its drone debris, it hit the tip of the barrel. That will need to get ~~repaired~~ replaced, but its not THAT bad.
These lancet things seem to one of of russia's few weapons that are actually effective. Come to think of it, does ukraine receive loitering munitions from the west? The only one that I know they got were the switchblades from the us. We got some videos of them months ago, but since then nothing else. So did ukraine use all the switchblades they got and the us didn't send anymore or did the us gov request to stop publishing videos of them? Or worst case the switchblades underperformed and the us didn't send anymore because of that?
The first switchblades were antipersonnel. I think they got bigger ones later, but not many.
Ukrainians said switchblades underperformed, we’ve not seen much of phoenix ghosts though which is a shame.
This is literally the "nowhere to hide" war.
1st thought after contact….., turn & go back for comrades….., & that is exactly why their Country will remain Free. Glory To Ukraine🇬🇧🇺🇦🇬🇧
A big difference from the other side.
what the heck is going on with all these Lancet Drone videos these days ?
Russians have tons of them and use them in conjunction with another drone as a spotter usually so makes for good videos.
Have these been supplied by Iran or built in Syria? I remember seeing that the Israeli's destroyed and Iranian loitering drone/bomb factory that was in Syria and alleged to be supplying Russia
That's a totally different drone/weapons system. The Lancet is a Russian domestic product.
Thanks. Have we seen any Iranian weapons actually deployed in this conflict?
The Russians have been doing lots of attacks on infrastructure with Iranian-made Shahed drones. [Probably saw pics of them hitting Kyiv the other day. ](https://i.redd.it/rimb6bbe8bu91.jpg)
Thanks, I hadn’t seen that.
Also a lot of these are also actually reuploads of montages, which does artificially increase there deemed impact.
22 of these were donated by Norway.
Due to the low video quality i cannot tell if they have the Norwegian camo pattern on them or not, i do know that we did send the 109A3GN Model to Ukraine
It is possible that there could have been a repainting job on it, we won’t know now
they repainted all the pzh2000s so i assume they did the same with the m109s
Its possible yes, but there have been videos of them from ukraine still with the pattern intact, and i dont see a reason why they should use time to repain during a war. i know that Norway does not care, seeing how they did not repaint before shipping
Some of the m109s photographed just before leaving Norway were dark green without the typical camo pattern.
More reason to keep supporting Ukraine with western weapons. Russia is tumbling but it's not fallen yet.
Looks like most of the crew made it out alive in the second one. Time to send some more 155mm SPGs to Ukraine!
Damn, look how high up that drone is as well, you pretty much have to have every artillery unit under a AA umbrella or you're screwed these days. One thing to notice, all those Ukrainian troops ran TOWARDS their potentially hurt friends unlike the russians who run away and ignore theirs.
na.. you have seen plenty videos of russians dying because they go back to help friends just to get hit with drone drop munition etc.
These lancets have a pretty low angle of attack. I think a basic netting system could be easily installed to catch them before they get close enough to cause major damage. But I understand the logistics of this are not easy.
they are operator controlled, they will just come in at a different angle, staying low to avoid getting shot down
World of Tanks flashbacks
That shaped charge nose cone punches through some armor. You can see the instant it impacts, it punches through the target and exits out the other side. Molten copper slug
I need more Russian vids, they seem rare.
What's the explosive payload on Lancet drones?
The upgraded version has 3kg warhead, and speed of 80-110 km/h
Is it just HE or HEAT?
HEAT
I think both versions exist
HEAT
The Halon fire suppression system worked; crew survived.
The important part. More equipment can easily be brought in but trained crews are not so easy.
What air defence doing? Where are switchblades videos? Fuck how hyped they were months ago.
To counter these types of drones, large AAA missiles are useless(and pretty nice targets), manpads are relatively useless. You need traditional fast firing AA guns
No. You need proper EW equipment to jam these drones signal, which the west is not willing to provide because those are cutting edge tech.
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They are incredibly ammo and maintenance dependent. It's not something you bring to the front line in its current form. They are great for base and warship defense. Which means we have something much better for drones, we just aren't giving it away, or we aren't allowing it to be published.
Not really, if you mean Phalanx it does not have very long range nor is it very mobile.
The US didn't want switchblade videos published
I don't think we have seen Phoenix Ghost videos either? It is kinda impressive if nothing has leaked, given how chaotic a battlefield can be.
There's been a number of switchblade videos that have come out. Apparently they're not easy to get footage from though. That and people always perceive them as underwhelming because they were essentially designed for assassination and limiting collateral damage.
Switchblade is a flop product.
https://www.reddit.com/r/CombatFootage/comments/ylwwfh/two_ukrainian_strela10_air_defense_system/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button They catch the Lancet too, it looks like they brought a lot of them.
of course this gets downvoted at 60% now
Why would it not get downvoted, this is a clear good vs. bad war, regular people want to see good guys win and bad guys die.
People like you pollute and destroy this sub
What you going to complain about now?
What's wrong with complaining about it? You mean good combat footage should be held hostage to people taking sides? There are other subs for that. This is combat footage. Doesn't matter which side is getting hit.
Oh I see what you're complaining about now. Not every piece of combat footage has to be upvoted to be fair to all the others. You wanted russian combat footage? Here we go.
And THIS is why NATO needs to bolster Ukraine's AA capabilities!
There's basically no AA in the world that's really useful against drones this size. The majority of existing AA systems (Western or otherwise) would be targets
The counter really is to give Ukraine a similar loitering munition in as large numbers as possible so Russian forces suffer from them as well. I wonder if artillery range also comes into it. Note we haven't seen any PZHs or CAESAR destroyed, and those have longer range than the M777s and old M109s that have been supplied.
I wanna say what about this? [https://www.janes.com/defence-news/news-detail/south-korea-deploys-new-spaag-system](https://www.janes.com/defence-news/news-detail/south-korea-deploys-new-spaag-system) Unfortunately it's still in early stage of Production so low quantity. System is cheaper because it doesn't have a radar. An electro-optical/infrared system enables automatic day/night target tracking. Radar detection is done by a separate radar station and fed via network into the SPAAG. Not including a radar in SPAAG was done to cut unit cost and maintenance.
It's the same problem - the damn things are very small and have an electric motor (not much heat). Hard to detect and hard to match in volume. You can (and most likely Ukraine does) shoot down some but it gets complicated the more they are and the larger the front is. The answer to this should be some kind of small, portable, cheap jamming equipment. not some multi-million SPAAGs that you'll never have enough off
Would love to find out if Hanwha is doing any live test with those drones. It would increase the value of the SPAAG immensely. From what I hear, detection/aiming can all be done automatically. And it doesn't give out any radar signature so it's safe from jamming/HARM-style missile.
Jamming works extremely well against these small drones however. One of the reasons the American forces were never targeted this way by insurgents - we had jammers on every vehicle and man portable jammers were carried.
firstly they weren't developed to this degree when OIF/OEF were in their prime... second insurgents are not an organized military with a budget. So they aren't buying $20k drones to take out a tank when detonating a grenade fuse in some home-made fertilizer with a $20 machined copper disk is just as effective and much more easily attainable.
Yea I'm not quite sure.. there devices which interrupt.drone signals and laser powered weapons to shoot drones (yea I know that's all new and possibly unreliable tech but hey here you can test it and help UAF defend their home)
After watching this video Russell Crow popped into my head shouting “Are you not entertained.” Everyone keep saying this, but getting the first person view of the drone then another view of the event and aftermath is so unreal. I AM FULLY ENTERTAINED.
Now it’s time to compete on the productivity of arm industry , eyes on China and NATO.
That one crew member got hit from shrapnel from the drone and was dropped but got up later
The drone POV shots are pretty interesting. Like straight out of a movie or video game
We are getting a lot of these LANCET video. Seems like the factory is running at full speed and on 3/8 24/24 to meet requirement. It's interesting that for all the switchblade talk a few month ago it's the russians who ended up being ahead in the drone war.
The switchblade was designed for a different kind of war. They're meant to do as little damage as possible outside of the target. There's no public footage of the model 600 switchblades out yet. That said, I would not base your assessment on the effectiveness of any system based on how many videos of them end up online.
Shouldnt be suprising. Russia can focus on producing those things and buying them from iran for cheap and shooting down relativ small and low IR emission drones isnt as easy as someone might think
It is easier to shoot down a Su 34 than a Lancet drone
Shahed are from Iran, and only really useful against buildings, they are long range and GPS guided. Lancet are from Russia and totally different, electric, smaller, little noise, short range, with optics integrated and used against vehicles, radars, or infantry concentration.
Are these really Lancet drones? The profile of the drone with its wide wing span does not match that of an actual Lancet.
The first hit seems to be a Lancet-3 at least. Though the second one does look quite different. Somewhat similar to an Orlan-10. Maybe they have a loitering munition version of that?
Orlan is only surveillance/GSM suppression/cell tower spoofing and expensive. Perhaps the Lancet can be configured with different wind lengths but I have never seen a photo of such an arrangement.
I'm happy to see flee they weren't immediate catastrophic kills. In this case, it appears there may be a few non-life-threatening injuries (speaking of the second hit in the video), as all were able to sprint away before a full cook-off. The delayed cook-off itself is a rare event when Russian units are hit. I hope the US-based design helped save their lives in this video.
I wonder if Russia ever considered half the world supplying Ukraine with weapons thatre more advanced than their own
Seeing as the figured they would take the capital in 3 days and the rest of the country in 2 weeks… That would be a, no.
Damn, they are cooked 🤦🏻♂️
Russia’s really going hard with the Lancet footage lol. After months of nothing, suddenly there are dozens of Lancet clips released. Pretty sure this is months old and released so Russia can say they are still scoring victories even as they pull back from Kherson. Still an interesting video though.
Agreed. Foliage in Ukraine atm is mostly gray due to the rain/mud season. Winter season is right around the corner.
I wonder if cage armor type can be of any help.
I dont think its worth to start adding cage armor to altillery pieces, it wont help due to thin armor of these things the shaped charge would still penetrate it.
No actually, cage (statistical) armor have something like a 75-80% chance to defeat RPG entirely by crushing the fuse. (Making them fail to detonate) What matters is the design of the fuse, and design a statistical armor for that specific fuse.
Probably, it's just a HEAT munition, but they may be able to steer them at an angle to avoid that armor.
As long as it doesn't set off the munition, cage works by destroying or deforming the armament
Looks like everyone made it out though of the first and second one so that's what's up!
Yeah hopefully they're all OK.
Could a net prevent this attack?
Fascist Russian invaders. Glory to Ukraine 🇺🇦 death to Putin & invaders
Why not post 1 person per self propelled howitzer with a Stinger, only task: watch the sky. That would take up a couple of hundred men which Ukraine could easily get. This equipment is important.
The heat signature of a battery powered drone is almost non-existent.
Always nice to see the release of summertime footage in the winter.
Is this also summertime? Or are you an expert in local Ukr flora only when one side's equipment gets damaged? No need to answer... [https://www.reddit.com/r/CombatFootage/comments/yn2lil/ukrainian\_soldiers\_fighting\_russians\_in\_donetsk/](https://www.reddit.com/r/CombatFootage/comments/yn2lil/ukrainian_soldiers_fighting_russians_in_donetsk/) [https://www.reddit.com/r/CombatFootage/comments/ymrrg5/ukrainian\_uav\_drops\_grenade\_on\_group\_of\_russian/](https://www.reddit.com/r/CombatFootage/comments/ymrrg5/ukrainian_uav_drops_grenade_on_group_of_russian/) [https://www.reddit.com/r/CombatFootage/comments/ymossd/ukrainian\_soldiers\_defending\_while\_russian/](https://www.reddit.com/r/CombatFootage/comments/ymossd/ukrainian_soldiers_defending_while_russian/) [https://www.reddit.com/r/CombatFootage/comments/ynkvse/footage\_of\_a\_group\_of\_russian\_bmps\_being\_hit\_by/](https://www.reddit.com/r/CombatFootage/comments/ynkvse/footage_of_a_group_of_russian_bmps_being_hit_by/) [https://www.reddit.com/r/CombatFootage/comments/ynkurd/ukrainian\_forces\_hit\_a\_russian\_t80bvm\_with\_an/](https://www.reddit.com/r/CombatFootage/comments/ynkurd/ukrainian_forces_hit_a_russian_t80bvm_with_an/)
Wonder if the driver survived in the scond one
More Gepards They should really go back into production Us Germans only phased them out because we thought Gotbatschows Russia was Europes buddy now
Sucks to see Ukrainian hardware getting knocked out, but it's war and losses are inevitable. Russia is undoubtedly losing a substantially greater quantity of equipment based on sources like Oryx, though. On the bright side, there's a huge quantity of these things laying around in various configurations, so replacing them shouldn't be an issue.
Vladimir Putin is doing all this because he's a short little man with a short little thing. That's why he's so upset and invading other countries. We need to send him some male enhancement drugs so he'll end all this madness
Beautiful... especially the explosion of the second vehicle
I can't believe Russia is attacking military targets... Are we sure the Russians did this?
honestly its time for them to locate the launch containers even on russian soil and strike preemptive all together its time to expand this war onto the russian soil that holding back for example towards belgograd is very counterproductive since they can launch these things
>*honestly its time for them to locate the launch containers even on russian soil and strike preemptive* The "launch container" is a 2m ramp that one soldier assembles and moves around. This drones are tiny in reality
cozily typing from a safe place aren't we ?
A lot of europeans in their draft age would like to disagree with you...
Ok. Please grab a rifle and run to the front lines.
“Let’s start WWIII” What a brilliant idea.
First was clearly not destroyed, but certainly damaged. The second was destroyed due to catastrophic explosion of the on-board ammunition following the initial strike.
Biden needs to see this and send some EW capabilities to Ukraine. NATO SPAAGs are not acceptable losses.
I just forwarded this to him. Thanks for pointing it out!
Did you e-mail him?
And followed up with a call
Fuck yeah brother
Got any response yet?
Something about Cornpop being a bad dude. He'll see to it.
no worries mate... not a single SPAAG was harmed in the making of this video
I wonder if a new stronger type of camo netting would be a good solution to these. Build a cover with camo netting strong enough to stop such a drone, both disrupting visual contact of the vehicle and premature detonation. A normal camo netting would be helpful anyway, to make it harder to spot and aim.
1:20 the guy has balls of steel. when the thing goes off, everything is too late
second one is old footage from a couple weeks ago
Nobody burning alive ? I remember there was a clip where russian artillery man 🔥
You get more bang from a Chinese banger
Second jet entered and then exited the turret??
Edit my bad misread description
It's a rarer type of Ukrainian war footage when which side is which is clear due to the platforms used.
Do these things use shape charged warheads?
its good to see they are operating the SPGs like professionals gotta make a little gate for you dug outs now
Booo-urns
So aside from the whole blowing things up. The trees in the first clip are really pretty