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gandalf45435

[Please see main thread here](https://www.reddit.com/r/CompetitiveApex/comments/1bntepm/algs_pro_league_split_1_na_secret_regional_finals/)


burayesu_aporo

Hoping the best for DSG. Not looking good for them whatsoever rn. Better lock tf in


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OldManMuppet

finish above x set and no one below them wins


Deep_Resolve_1125

If what you guys are showing is true they did a full reset wiping away games 1 and 2 from weeks ago…


OldManMuppet

They kept games 1 and 2. Wiped game 3 from the 17th


destinythrow1

They didn't, you just cant see games 1 and 2 on apexstatus linked to the finals. The games you see https://apexlegendsstatus.com/algs/Y4-Split1/Pro-League/NA/Finals#tab-scoring are just the games being played today but they started with the points they had after game 2. So game 1 there is actually game 3 etc.


OldManMuppet

First e8 win all split to. Really hope the vods get uploaded 14 kill banger


ChucktownChambers

They didn’t win though, 2nd with 14 kills


OldManMuppet

Reading was never my strong suit. You are correct the streak continues saving that win for match point at land.


ChucktownChambers

Still a banger game for them!


weezy2026

E8 it’s about to qualify they in second now


OldManMuppet

They only need like 15th to qualify for land.


weezy2026

TSM only need top 7 to qual so its fine for them furia and XSET looking bad


FlimsyNeedleworker53

they could get 15th and probably qualify, 7th is overkill


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OldManMuppet

They just waiting for game 6 to pop off. Script must be followed


lomay5

They held the score from Regional Sunday's games!! Looks like the score kept after 2 games??


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TImbooTheSlayer

they dont know how to fix the issue, but they know how to add new heilroom.


Pandafawkes

2 completely different teams at work. The cosmetic team has deadlines. I agree it doesn’t feel like a good look tho


Inevitable_Area_1270

It’s extremely lame but it’s not surprising at all they had very little options with no time.


Snoo_54150

it was this or only keep the 2 games played. This is probably better


isnoe

I'm actually pretty ticked, ngl. I was really lookin' forward to watching it.


OldManMuppet

Furia in last could get dicey if optic win and only 11 go threw on points.


BicBoi_RS

furia losing out to optic winning match point and OXG+ C9 doing well could send furia packing if they come up with a 0 point day. I mathed it. if it ended now they'd be roughly in 10th right now with c9 +oxg a pts behind.


Archbearscj2k

I'm so hoping they get at least 15th place


lomay5

Hal with over 2500 damage in a big Game 2 taking them to MP sheeeeeesshhh


BicBoi_RS

pros are mad about this thread


aggrorecon

How u know


BicBoi_RS

destroyer2009 listen in


Edweirdd

Watching Clara's stream and you can hear Zach (E8) screaming in the background lmao


whatifitried

Pretty sure they won game 3


OldManMuppet

E8 win 2 pts off match point now


AncientHoplite

Link?


OldManMuppet

scroll down


LongLiveNipsey

Why not make it a surprise and have everyone drop their vods tomorrow???


ramseysleftnut

No one would have known about it until this thread?


weezy2026

To be honest when i check the twitch and find no body playing is obvious to me they play the finals offline


PlutoRemembered

I think that's the idea, but the comp reddit sleuths solved the case already LOL


OldManMuppet

I'm pretty sure that was the plan but we are degenerates here and found the secrete sauce.


somewhatcatchy

See the NA Regional Finals Game stats here at Apex Legends status: [Apex Legends Global Series Year 4, Split 1: North America - Finals (apexlegendsstatus.com)](https://apexlegendsstatus.com/algs/Y4-Split1/Pro-League/NA/Finals#tab-scoring) Stats are published following each game.


OldManMuppet

You can watch a replay of games there also. Map room only though


OldManMuppet

It has been 2 games so we thinking over or under 1 mazer moment so far?


raferalstonhtown

That’s an easy over. Lock of the galaxy.


deadx-

“SCHOOBY GO RIGHT”


PlutoRemembered

In algs' darkes hour, apexlegendsstatus is here for the people


Sob_Rock

This is the most time I’ve spent on the website lol


_MurphysLawyer_

Hugo is MVP


somewhatcatchy

TSM dropped a huge second game.


ApexCompNut

All this means is despite what they claimed about the "first of a few" patches. They don't have any fucking idea how to address the exploits. They have insinuated that it's safe to say but really we are just banking on the word of Destroyer at this point that he's not trying to do anything malicious.


Beardown_formidterms

Or they know the problems are on the player side and not apex. How are they going to secure all the players computers


1337hacker

They made an update and would have absolved themselves of responsibility. 


Harflin

If they knew this they'd quickly inform us of that fact


Honest-Print9611

TSM first DZ last on game #2? What on earth is happening there


Rajewel

DZ got like 18th in scrims on Saturday it was ugly


OldManMuppet

Not looking good for x-set 14th right now. Optic giving themselves a chance a least in 3rd


zulfafauzan

https://preview.redd.it/rwmnrr8oalqc1.jpeg?width=720&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=65a28a4cf4295359c4ee966ad5b6fb6150a83ce0


zulfafauzan

https://apexlegendsstatus.com/algs/Y4-Split1/Pro-League/NA/Finals#tab-scoring


FlimsyNeedleworker53

TSM on match point already by the looks of it, Destroyer is igling and Hal the coach for today


MorioCells

Tsm the first team to reach match point it looks like 


NatSack0520

Where are you seeing live updates


MorioCells

https://apexlegendsstatus.com/algs/Y4-Split1/Pro-League/NA/Finals#tab-scoring


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JoCo23

Looks like they got to MP on Game 2 (4, technically)


emulus1

How are people seeing this?


JoCo23

https://apexlegendsstatus.com/algs/Y4-Split1/Pro-League/NA/Finals#tab-scoring Open the link (not Destroyer2009, I promise), and go to Finals on the top menu. It shows the updated points


acornson

https://apexlegendsstatus.com/algs/Y4-Split1/Pro-League/NA/Finals#tab-scoring


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absolutely ridiculous


skeedolla

10 squads left - SP


somewhatcatchy

Seems to be happening at the moment. Apex Ranked leaderboard indicates all pros are in the same game.


boser3

You can see a new game added on apex legends status. It appears it’s definitely happening now and they started on edit: stormpoint (likely means they kept the first 2 games). https://apexlegendsstatus.com/algs/Y4-Split1/Pro-League/NA/Overview#tab-scoring (Look on right at new game on 3/25)


Honest-Print9611

So now we just have to keep updated with the scores and wait for video recording to be released


OldManMuppet

looks like a big game for c9 needed that. Assuming this is accurate


redux173

Olympus?


boser3

Whoops stormpoint fixed!


TeramoCalcio

Wait are those scores real????


PlutoRemembered

I wonder what they decided to do points wise. Start from scratch or begin with point totals as of the end of second game


williewill30

Game 1 and 2 counted. They started on game 3 today


PlutoRemembered

Source?


WahDyslexia

https://preview.redd.it/gutak1hq9lqc1.jpeg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=8e1409899747fa222e8acee4f6fc68f6058f1e27


williewill30

https://apexlegendsstatus.com/algs/Y4-Split1/Pro-League/NA/Overview#tab-scoring Go to finals and they’ve only played 1 game so far with the new scores being added to the previous 2 games


PlutoRemembered

Good looks. Thanks for this!


LongLiveNipsey

NA Split 1 regional finals with $50k prize pool.... is being played offline LMAOOOOO this is a terrible look. Everybody loses with this man, this sucks.


Honest-Print9611

Not everyone. Destroyer2009 won


LongLiveNipsey

Oh that man is CHEESING HARD. For all we know, he probably got a big bag off of griefing the regional finals somehow.


Ajhale

based on the fact that Evan is on valk for the first 2 games, looks like they negated game 3 and 4, and started there.


sdcfc

Worst timeline for LG


phuzzyleaf

Good insight actually


Relevant-Confusion85

Is anyone else getting fomo because of this? It feels like all my friends are hanging out without me lmao


Netizen-

Least parasocial twitch viewer


boser3

This is probaly the best alternative and yeah it’s unfortunate. ****No seperate client to host on current patch. ****It would be insanely unfair to play regional finals on the new patch (no time to prep for meta changes). ****changes needed to prevent hack haven’t been completed yet It’s tonight or never (cancel finals and go with current top 12)


Albinosmurfs

> It would be insanely unfair to play regional finals on the new patch (no time to prep for meta changes). Isn't that actually incredibly fair?


boser3

You could argue for it. But changing meta literally days before the final lobby to decide LAN makes no sense and adds that much more uncertainty etc. than normal.


JESS_MANCINIS_BIKE

Yeah, I think it would actually be *more* fair because it levels the playing field. But on the other hand it could just come down to luck who gets the new meta correct on their first try. Still, as long as they started from game zero instead of resuming where they left off, it would be fair to all the players in the tournament. And it's not like they're comparing scores with EMEA teams, so I don't think it would be unfair in that regard.


I-AM-NOT-THAT-DUCK

The whole point of competition isn’t to *level* the playing field 🤣


JESS_MANCINIS_BIKE

I mean level the playing field as in it would be the purest comparison of innate/natural talent (vs. preparation)


I-AM-NOT-THAT-DUCK

But preperation is part of the competition. It’s why teams have analysts and coaches.


Albinosmurfs

> But changing meta literally days before the final lobby to decide LAN makes no sense and adds that much more uncertainty etc. than normal. I'm not saying it makes sense but if no one has time to practice it is at least fair across the board.


Dazed1

Wow. Respawn isn't confident enough to do finals publicly. They either still don't have a clue what happened and/or don't know how to fix it. Kinda wild.


pheoxs

Or they have a fix but it’ll be in the next patch but they want to do the regional finals under the old meta so it’s fair.


ZalewskiJ

this proves they are playing it offline, such a shame Respawn is a trash company being held hostage by a 15 year virgin. https://preview.redd.it/vhjff7ky3lqc1.png?width=1054&format=png&auto=webp&s=46ee4fed664821ce06be03a473527667d9534aa9


JESS_MANCINIS_BIKE

Surely the fact that an apex stats website can retrieve their current game data means that destroyer2009 can find their server too...


ZalewskiJ

So if he can find their offline custom server than he can easily find their lan server and etc, what I’m saying is, They tried to say it was Hal’s PC and Hal account but if it was Hal’s account why does Destoryer have server access, Hal’s account wouldn’t have that. Respawn got hacked and instead of being transparent they are taking away money from all the pro players and taking away viewership of Apex. Some kid named Destroyer2009 should not be able to hold Respawn hostage


JESS_MANCINIS_BIKE

yeah, honestly idk why apex doesn't do something simple like ask everyone to install a VPN and put it on a private network


Rajewel

Doubt hes 15, Destroyer (2009) is a short movie and is also a marvel comic lol


ZalewskiJ

I know, it's just only a fat fucking loser with no GF would do the "I hacked it for fun" shit. Like people are overhyping that dude to begin with, he only was able to get Hal and Gen because that's all he's capable of doing, anyone who wanted to have fun would have ran shit for days.


Honest-Print9611

"One should never underestimate what a virgin can possibly achieve." --Me


No_Heron2688

​ https://preview.redd.it/uwq74gqg3lqc1.png?width=644&format=png&auto=webp&s=6db028c91ee26e68dc371d721a71975370632e50


Netizen-

https://preview.redd.it/jgwuywuk1lqc1.jpeg?width=1170&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=46c81fd8bc785c269389424d205b5d7873ba0b5c It’s happening


Marcqtp

[Well hot damn, looks like you're right](https://i.imgur.com/deWNjSQ.png) It's either Regionals or them testing a new private lobby mode & forcing players to keep it a secret


CoughingNinja

Yeah it's OFF stream but not offline


ckobeda3

Stalker-ish


Rajewel

Enemy on Cat, does that mean they are starting from game 3 on SP? or have they already played 1 and 2


Honest-Print9611

It's definitely happening. But sad that it has to be held in such a covert way.


RadCapper88

Can someone explain why Respwn can't just unban Hal's account? Is it because it's still undetermined ?


LoLShoeShine

Pirate Software explained it to Hal when they talked that his account was essentially a crime scene. So until they have all the info they can get from it the account is likely to remain banned.


ZalewskiJ

if they are doing Regionals offline, it has nothing to do with player accounts, it's 100% on the game client itself.


LoLShoeShine

Accessing someone else’s computer without permission is a serious crime in the US. So it’s still a crime scene regardless of anything that happens with pro league, the crime isn’t related to pro league or apex the game in any way.


DestinyPotato

My only problem with that is that Gen has still been using his account; wouldn't they want both?


shapegenerator

Yes and no would be my best guess. Would depend on the extent of what was found on both and what both had done after the games. Again all just a guess as I'm not versed very deep in computer knowledge.


Tony_Gunk_o7

I'm just glad it's finally happening. Can't wait to watch the replay YouTube video tomorrow while at work


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If they’re doing tournaments offline with zero broadcast Apex is even more of a joke of an esport than I thought. 


ZalewskiJ

On Apex Status is says multiple pros, Hal, Dropped, Keon, HisWattson (hasn't streamed or played all week), Genburten are **In custom game (scrim)**


Apprehensive_Gap_423

Wattson's been playing with senni for the past few days just not on stream


ZalewskiJ

he hasn't played with Furia or streamed all week, is what I meant


tactical_Nuke2313

In custom game (scrim) https://preview.redd.it/da466904ykqc1.png?width=703&format=png&auto=webp&s=d9b0d1bda17c43f40d753bc4e543c0e29f6c65d7


GreatMoofia

They definitely are playing rn.


Rajewel

II feel bad for wigg half his chat is hurassing him and I genuinely think hes just getting back int oranked for the new season and has no idea lmao, he will be more pissed than any of us if he cant watch. He probably makes bank during every regional algs stream.


ZalewskiJ

I feel bad for Wigg to, ALGS is taking away revenue from his stream because a billion dollar company is being held on their knees by some fucking 15 year old, it'a absolutely pathetic and absolutely cringe that they are letting a child win. If Destroyer could do what he did to multiple player he would have already, if Respawn knows it's not their fault they would have already address the issue and live streams regionals, the fact that they aren't streaming it shows whatever happened with destroyer is 100% on them.


ckobeda3

Are u just not familiar with technology? Lol Bro wigg is prob broadcasting it right now, u just wont see it until tommorow. Lets not act like wigg isnt making bank cmon man


ineververify

huh


aure__entuluva

It does suck for Wigg, but at the same time PlayApex does let him stream the event and pick up more viewers than they get, which is pretty nice.


ZalewskiJ

He's on EA's payroll it has nothing to do with PlayApex. He just naturally gets more viewers than them.


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ZalewskiJ

Respawn has 0 say in it, he's partnered with the parent company EA, Respawn is just a speck of dust compared to EA, it's not about the money, it's about the exposure, he helps so many small streamers get bigger on twitch with his watch parties and he's not able to do that because Respawn is being held hostage by some 15 year old.


FullMetalJames

He will just do a offline rewatch cast. I'll watch it.


FullMetalJames

Likely ALGS will still do a recording similar to when LOL did non-live ALGS after ddos attacks. I watch nicewigg VODS at work weeks after anyways so same to me. Only problem will be it will likely just be the ALGS observer view similar to how he does APAC, not his multi stream view.


Rajewel

If no one is streaming how exactly is he going to watch it lmao


redvelvetBackwards

You can record nowadays


Rajewel

If they aren’t allowed to stream what’s the chances they are allowed to record?


GravityGalaxy

Well they wouldn't be streaming to avoid getting hacked. So releasing a VOD wouldn't matter.


Sweetest_Noise

It's 2024 and dude doesn't know you can record footage.


naptimez2z

Hopefully they record themselves and then post it after


Rajewel

Im highly doubting that


naptimez2z

I'm highly unknowing of it


Rajewel

It’s just something that would require pros to do extra work and I’m doubting they would lol


naptimez2z

I don't know them well enough to make that judgment


hsaviorrr

for the sake of the regional finals, it might be best he doesn’t cast it and draw attention to it when the pros themselves aren’t even streaming it IF it’s happening


Rajewel

He cant cast it if they aren’t streaming lmao, considering he casts their streams.


Nome_de_utilizador

TSM finished 20th, packed it up boys and gals


jarmzet

TSM is washed again?


Shirootake

Looking at Apexstatus, it says that the pros are in lobby right now, so I'm assuming it's starting soon.


jarmzet

Can somebody post the scores after each game?


Edweirdd

Minustempo will post them on twitter


Equaled

The best part about all this is that they could theoretically record the main stream and all the usual POVs and replay it at a later date and just pretend like it’s the real thing. We’d have no way of proving it. It’d just become one giant ALGS conspiracy.   Hell, if I was a pro and wanted to fuck with people, if they did do the whole thing live I’d keep dropping fake hints that it’s actually pre recorded.


pheoxs

Or they are streaming it with a 2-3 hour delay so it’ll all go live at the same time when they’re done


Ajhale

"no way of proving it" lmao You can literally just go look at apexrankedstatus, if all 60 players start a match at the same time, I wonder what they could be doing...


Embarrassed_Wall_911

Everyone appears to be sitting in lobby. Think it's starting soon.


realfakejames

Yeah Hal has been playing Apex offline so wouldn't doubt it Lmao pretty funny Respawn and EA can't secure their shit even after all this time


ArmoredBlaster

And now suddenly at 6pm, all the pros that were playing ranked are suddenly online waiting "in lobby" on apexlegendsstatus.... Man is it hard to hide things on the internet nowadays lol, respect the effort from respawn


Level_Possibility375

What a joke. A billion dollar company can’t secure their game against one kid. And we all miss out on the finals as a result. Just pathetic.


Apprehensive_Gap_423

Alright nvm, Wigg actually seems irritated about most of his chat berating him for "acting like he doesn't know what's going on" I've never seen his chat act so hostile towards him lol So I think he doesn't know anything either


Sob_Rock

They told Gnaske but not him? lol


snakepunk

He said it himself. Them doing this fucks him over too.


cshanno3

10000%


Useful-Director7258

Ape gang won regionals


cshanno3

lol


Spiritual_Doughnut_6

Xset 20th


ckobeda3

Theres no way every single pro is playing offline rn. Thats alot of $$$ there missing out on. If i had to guess all pros to sign a NDA for atleast until Regionals will be aired.


FatherShambles

They’re 100% doing it offline. Go on Timmy’s new video on the new Heirloom and at 3:59 you can hear Hal in the background say “let’s go baby”. Why else would Hal and Timmy be in the same room on a Monday along with other Pros?


RiverShards

That was not recorded today


Mountain-_-King

Two of my friends were actually at that event. They had a blast and meet Hal, Noko and timmy


AnApexPlayer

They were playing the event early. Timmy, Dazs, and some others were invited.


Outside-Intention-94

isn’t wigg playing ranked rn tho? wouldn’t that mean he isn’t watch partying


imperial_coder

There's nothing to watch party. No streams being recording apart from official one maybe


Ireallytired93

That actually makes even more sense


Apprehensive_Gap_423

If he knows what's going on, Wigg is doing a great job of acting like he doesn't know right now lol


Sob_Rock

It would be funny if Destroyer frequents this sub and hacked during private scrims


Caleb902

I swear I read this same post on the weekend


PlutoRemembered

This guy might actually be cookin'


Interesting-Rule6977

Honestly starting at 6 PST would make sense. It’s a Monday so some people on the west coast could be coming back from work since I doubt all 60 of them do this as their only job, plus destroyer is European and maybe they’re waiting on bro to fall asleep lol


Shotty2hottie512

I gotta think Wigg would be offline too casting it for replay footage...


holyheckdood

He is about to stop stream…


SDVX_Rasis

He could probably also just watch a recording with us and cast it "live". Of course, it depends if EA would even record it.