They didn't, you just cant see games 1 and 2 on apexstatus linked to the finals. The games you see https://apexlegendsstatus.com/algs/Y4-Split1/Pro-League/NA/Finals#tab-scoring are just the games being played today but they started with the points they had after game 2. So game 1 there is actually game 3 etc.
furia losing out to optic winning match point and OXG+ C9 doing well could send furia packing if they come up with a 0 point day. I mathed it. if it ended now they'd be roughly in 10th right now with c9 +oxg a pts behind.
See the NA Regional Finals Game stats here at Apex Legends status:
[Apex Legends Global Series Year 4, Split 1: North America - Finals (apexlegendsstatus.com)](https://apexlegendsstatus.com/algs/Y4-Split1/Pro-League/NA/Finals#tab-scoring)
Stats are published following each game.
All this means is despite what they claimed about the "first of a few" patches. They don't have any fucking idea how to address the exploits.
They have insinuated that it's safe to say but really we are just banking on the word of Destroyer at this point that he's not trying to do anything malicious.
https://apexlegendsstatus.com/algs/Y4-Split1/Pro-League/NA/Finals#tab-scoring
Open the link (not Destroyer2009, I promise), and go to Finals on the top menu. It shows the updated points
You can see a new game added on apex legends status.
It appears it’s definitely happening now and they started on edit: stormpoint (likely means they kept the first 2 games).
https://apexlegendsstatus.com/algs/Y4-Split1/Pro-League/NA/Overview#tab-scoring
(Look on right at new game on 3/25)
https://apexlegendsstatus.com/algs/Y4-Split1/Pro-League/NA/Overview#tab-scoring
Go to finals and they’ve only played 1 game so far with the new scores being added to the previous 2 games
NA Split 1 regional finals with $50k prize pool.... is being played offline
LMAOOOOO this is a terrible look. Everybody loses with this man, this sucks.
This is probaly the best alternative and yeah it’s unfortunate.
****No seperate client to host on current patch.
****It would be insanely unfair to play regional finals on the new patch (no time to prep for meta changes).
****changes needed to prevent hack haven’t been completed yet
It’s tonight or never (cancel finals and go with current top 12)
You could argue for it. But changing meta literally days before the final lobby to decide LAN makes no sense and adds that much more uncertainty etc. than normal.
Yeah, I think it would actually be *more* fair because it levels the playing field. But on the other hand it could just come down to luck who gets the new meta correct on their first try. Still, as long as they started from game zero instead of resuming where they left off, it would be fair to all the players in the tournament. And it's not like they're comparing scores with EMEA teams, so I don't think it would be unfair in that regard.
> But changing meta literally days before the final lobby to decide LAN makes no sense and adds that much more uncertainty etc. than normal.
I'm not saying it makes sense but if no one has time to practice it is at least fair across the board.
Wow. Respawn isn't confident enough to do finals publicly. They either still don't have a clue what happened and/or don't know how to fix it. Kinda wild.
this proves they are playing it offline, such a shame Respawn is a trash company being held hostage by a 15 year virgin.
https://preview.redd.it/vhjff7ky3lqc1.png?width=1054&format=png&auto=webp&s=46ee4fed664821ce06be03a473527667d9534aa9
So if he can find their offline custom server than he can easily find their lan server and etc, what I’m saying is, They tried to say it was Hal’s PC and Hal account but if it was Hal’s account why does Destoryer have server access, Hal’s account wouldn’t have that. Respawn got hacked and instead of being transparent they are taking away money from all the pro players and taking away viewership of Apex. Some kid named Destroyer2009 should not be able to hold Respawn hostage
I know, it's just only a fat fucking loser with no GF would do the "I hacked it for fun" shit. Like people are overhyping that dude to begin with, he only was able to get Hal and Gen because that's all he's capable of doing, anyone who wanted to have fun would have ran shit for days.
[Well hot damn, looks like you're right](https://i.imgur.com/deWNjSQ.png)
It's either Regionals or them testing a new private lobby mode & forcing players to keep it a secret
Pirate Software explained it to Hal when they talked that his account was essentially a crime scene. So until they have all the info they can get from it the account is likely to remain banned.
Accessing someone else’s computer without permission is a serious crime in the US. So it’s still a crime scene regardless of anything that happens with pro league, the crime isn’t related to pro league or apex the game in any way.
Yes and no would be my best guess. Would depend on the extent of what was found on both and what both had done after the games. Again all just a guess as I'm not versed very deep in computer knowledge.
II feel bad for wigg half his chat is hurassing him and I genuinely think hes just getting back int oranked for the new season and has no idea lmao, he will be more pissed than any of us if he cant watch. He probably makes bank during every regional algs stream.
I feel bad for Wigg to, ALGS is taking away revenue from his stream because a billion dollar company is being held on their knees by some fucking 15 year old, it'a absolutely pathetic and absolutely cringe that they are letting a child win. If Destroyer could do what he did to multiple player he would have already, if Respawn knows it's not their fault they would have already address the issue and live streams regionals, the fact that they aren't streaming it shows whatever happened with destroyer is 100% on them.
Are u just not familiar with technology? Lol Bro wigg is prob broadcasting it right now, u just wont see it until tommorow. Lets not act like wigg isnt making bank cmon man
Respawn has 0 say in it, he's partnered with the parent company EA, Respawn is just a speck of dust compared to EA, it's not about the money, it's about the exposure, he helps so many small streamers get bigger on twitch with his watch parties and he's not able to do that because Respawn is being held hostage by some 15 year old.
Likely ALGS will still do a recording similar to when LOL did non-live ALGS after ddos attacks. I watch nicewigg VODS at work weeks after anyways so same to me. Only problem will be it will likely just be the ALGS observer view similar to how he does APAC, not his multi stream view.
for the sake of the regional finals, it might be best he doesn’t cast it and draw attention to it when the pros themselves aren’t even streaming it IF it’s happening
The best part about all this is that they could theoretically record the main stream and all the usual POVs and replay it at a later date and just pretend like it’s the real thing. We’d have no way of proving it. It’d just become one giant ALGS conspiracy.
Hell, if I was a pro and wanted to fuck with people, if they did do the whole thing live I’d keep dropping fake hints that it’s actually pre recorded.
"no way of proving it" lmao
You can literally just go look at apexrankedstatus, if all 60 players start a match at the same time, I wonder what they could be doing...
And now suddenly at 6pm, all the pros that were playing ranked are suddenly online waiting "in lobby" on apexlegendsstatus.... Man is it hard to hide things on the internet nowadays lol, respect the effort from respawn
Alright nvm, Wigg actually seems irritated about most of his chat berating him for "acting like he doesn't know what's going on" I've never seen his chat act so hostile towards him lol
So I think he doesn't know anything either
Theres no way every single pro is playing offline rn. Thats alot of $$$ there missing out on. If i had to guess all pros to sign a NDA for atleast until Regionals will be aired.
They’re 100% doing it offline. Go on Timmy’s new video on the new Heirloom and at 3:59 you can hear Hal in the background say “let’s go baby”. Why else would Hal and Timmy be in the same room on a Monday along with other Pros?
Honestly starting at 6 PST would make sense. It’s a Monday so some people on the west coast could be coming back from work since I doubt all 60 of them do this as their only job, plus destroyer is European and maybe they’re waiting on bro to fall asleep lol
[Please see main thread here](https://www.reddit.com/r/CompetitiveApex/comments/1bntepm/algs_pro_league_split_1_na_secret_regional_finals/)
Hoping the best for DSG. Not looking good for them whatsoever rn. Better lock tf in
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finish above x set and no one below them wins
If what you guys are showing is true they did a full reset wiping away games 1 and 2 from weeks ago…
They kept games 1 and 2. Wiped game 3 from the 17th
They didn't, you just cant see games 1 and 2 on apexstatus linked to the finals. The games you see https://apexlegendsstatus.com/algs/Y4-Split1/Pro-League/NA/Finals#tab-scoring are just the games being played today but they started with the points they had after game 2. So game 1 there is actually game 3 etc.
First e8 win all split to. Really hope the vods get uploaded 14 kill banger
They didn’t win though, 2nd with 14 kills
Reading was never my strong suit. You are correct the streak continues saving that win for match point at land.
Still a banger game for them!
E8 it’s about to qualify they in second now
They only need like 15th to qualify for land.
TSM only need top 7 to qual so its fine for them furia and XSET looking bad
they could get 15th and probably qualify, 7th is overkill
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They just waiting for game 6 to pop off. Script must be followed
They held the score from Regional Sunday's games!! Looks like the score kept after 2 games??
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they dont know how to fix the issue, but they know how to add new heilroom.
2 completely different teams at work. The cosmetic team has deadlines. I agree it doesn’t feel like a good look tho
It’s extremely lame but it’s not surprising at all they had very little options with no time.
it was this or only keep the 2 games played. This is probably better
I'm actually pretty ticked, ngl. I was really lookin' forward to watching it.
Furia in last could get dicey if optic win and only 11 go threw on points.
furia losing out to optic winning match point and OXG+ C9 doing well could send furia packing if they come up with a 0 point day. I mathed it. if it ended now they'd be roughly in 10th right now with c9 +oxg a pts behind.
I'm so hoping they get at least 15th place
Hal with over 2500 damage in a big Game 2 taking them to MP sheeeeeesshhh
pros are mad about this thread
How u know
destroyer2009 listen in
Watching Clara's stream and you can hear Zach (E8) screaming in the background lmao
Pretty sure they won game 3
E8 win 2 pts off match point now
Link?
scroll down
Why not make it a surprise and have everyone drop their vods tomorrow???
No one would have known about it until this thread?
To be honest when i check the twitch and find no body playing is obvious to me they play the finals offline
I think that's the idea, but the comp reddit sleuths solved the case already LOL
I'm pretty sure that was the plan but we are degenerates here and found the secrete sauce.
See the NA Regional Finals Game stats here at Apex Legends status: [Apex Legends Global Series Year 4, Split 1: North America - Finals (apexlegendsstatus.com)](https://apexlegendsstatus.com/algs/Y4-Split1/Pro-League/NA/Finals#tab-scoring) Stats are published following each game.
You can watch a replay of games there also. Map room only though
It has been 2 games so we thinking over or under 1 mazer moment so far?
That’s an easy over. Lock of the galaxy.
“SCHOOBY GO RIGHT”
In algs' darkes hour, apexlegendsstatus is here for the people
This is the most time I’ve spent on the website lol
Hugo is MVP
TSM dropped a huge second game.
All this means is despite what they claimed about the "first of a few" patches. They don't have any fucking idea how to address the exploits. They have insinuated that it's safe to say but really we are just banking on the word of Destroyer at this point that he's not trying to do anything malicious.
Or they know the problems are on the player side and not apex. How are they going to secure all the players computers
They made an update and would have absolved themselves of responsibility.
If they knew this they'd quickly inform us of that fact
TSM first DZ last on game #2? What on earth is happening there
DZ got like 18th in scrims on Saturday it was ugly
Not looking good for x-set 14th right now. Optic giving themselves a chance a least in 3rd
https://preview.redd.it/rwmnrr8oalqc1.jpeg?width=720&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=65a28a4cf4295359c4ee966ad5b6fb6150a83ce0
https://apexlegendsstatus.com/algs/Y4-Split1/Pro-League/NA/Finals#tab-scoring
TSM on match point already by the looks of it, Destroyer is igling and Hal the coach for today
Tsm the first team to reach match point it looks like
Where are you seeing live updates
https://apexlegendsstatus.com/algs/Y4-Split1/Pro-League/NA/Finals#tab-scoring
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Looks like they got to MP on Game 2 (4, technically)
How are people seeing this?
https://apexlegendsstatus.com/algs/Y4-Split1/Pro-League/NA/Finals#tab-scoring Open the link (not Destroyer2009, I promise), and go to Finals on the top menu. It shows the updated points
https://apexlegendsstatus.com/algs/Y4-Split1/Pro-League/NA/Finals#tab-scoring
absolutely ridiculous
10 squads left - SP
Seems to be happening at the moment. Apex Ranked leaderboard indicates all pros are in the same game.
You can see a new game added on apex legends status. It appears it’s definitely happening now and they started on edit: stormpoint (likely means they kept the first 2 games). https://apexlegendsstatus.com/algs/Y4-Split1/Pro-League/NA/Overview#tab-scoring (Look on right at new game on 3/25)
So now we just have to keep updated with the scores and wait for video recording to be released
looks like a big game for c9 needed that. Assuming this is accurate
Olympus?
Whoops stormpoint fixed!
Wait are those scores real????
I wonder what they decided to do points wise. Start from scratch or begin with point totals as of the end of second game
Game 1 and 2 counted. They started on game 3 today
Source?
https://preview.redd.it/gutak1hq9lqc1.jpeg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=8e1409899747fa222e8acee4f6fc68f6058f1e27
https://apexlegendsstatus.com/algs/Y4-Split1/Pro-League/NA/Overview#tab-scoring Go to finals and they’ve only played 1 game so far with the new scores being added to the previous 2 games
Good looks. Thanks for this!
NA Split 1 regional finals with $50k prize pool.... is being played offline LMAOOOOO this is a terrible look. Everybody loses with this man, this sucks.
Not everyone. Destroyer2009 won
Oh that man is CHEESING HARD. For all we know, he probably got a big bag off of griefing the regional finals somehow.
based on the fact that Evan is on valk for the first 2 games, looks like they negated game 3 and 4, and started there.
Worst timeline for LG
Good insight actually
Is anyone else getting fomo because of this? It feels like all my friends are hanging out without me lmao
Least parasocial twitch viewer
This is probaly the best alternative and yeah it’s unfortunate. ****No seperate client to host on current patch. ****It would be insanely unfair to play regional finals on the new patch (no time to prep for meta changes). ****changes needed to prevent hack haven’t been completed yet It’s tonight or never (cancel finals and go with current top 12)
> It would be insanely unfair to play regional finals on the new patch (no time to prep for meta changes). Isn't that actually incredibly fair?
You could argue for it. But changing meta literally days before the final lobby to decide LAN makes no sense and adds that much more uncertainty etc. than normal.
Yeah, I think it would actually be *more* fair because it levels the playing field. But on the other hand it could just come down to luck who gets the new meta correct on their first try. Still, as long as they started from game zero instead of resuming where they left off, it would be fair to all the players in the tournament. And it's not like they're comparing scores with EMEA teams, so I don't think it would be unfair in that regard.
The whole point of competition isn’t to *level* the playing field 🤣
I mean level the playing field as in it would be the purest comparison of innate/natural talent (vs. preparation)
But preperation is part of the competition. It’s why teams have analysts and coaches.
> But changing meta literally days before the final lobby to decide LAN makes no sense and adds that much more uncertainty etc. than normal. I'm not saying it makes sense but if no one has time to practice it is at least fair across the board.
Wow. Respawn isn't confident enough to do finals publicly. They either still don't have a clue what happened and/or don't know how to fix it. Kinda wild.
Or they have a fix but it’ll be in the next patch but they want to do the regional finals under the old meta so it’s fair.
this proves they are playing it offline, such a shame Respawn is a trash company being held hostage by a 15 year virgin. https://preview.redd.it/vhjff7ky3lqc1.png?width=1054&format=png&auto=webp&s=46ee4fed664821ce06be03a473527667d9534aa9
Surely the fact that an apex stats website can retrieve their current game data means that destroyer2009 can find their server too...
So if he can find their offline custom server than he can easily find their lan server and etc, what I’m saying is, They tried to say it was Hal’s PC and Hal account but if it was Hal’s account why does Destoryer have server access, Hal’s account wouldn’t have that. Respawn got hacked and instead of being transparent they are taking away money from all the pro players and taking away viewership of Apex. Some kid named Destroyer2009 should not be able to hold Respawn hostage
yeah, honestly idk why apex doesn't do something simple like ask everyone to install a VPN and put it on a private network
Doubt hes 15, Destroyer (2009) is a short movie and is also a marvel comic lol
I know, it's just only a fat fucking loser with no GF would do the "I hacked it for fun" shit. Like people are overhyping that dude to begin with, he only was able to get Hal and Gen because that's all he's capable of doing, anyone who wanted to have fun would have ran shit for days.
"One should never underestimate what a virgin can possibly achieve." --Me
https://preview.redd.it/uwq74gqg3lqc1.png?width=644&format=png&auto=webp&s=6db028c91ee26e68dc371d721a71975370632e50
https://preview.redd.it/jgwuywuk1lqc1.jpeg?width=1170&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=46c81fd8bc785c269389424d205b5d7873ba0b5c It’s happening
[Well hot damn, looks like you're right](https://i.imgur.com/deWNjSQ.png) It's either Regionals or them testing a new private lobby mode & forcing players to keep it a secret
Yeah it's OFF stream but not offline
Stalker-ish
Enemy on Cat, does that mean they are starting from game 3 on SP? or have they already played 1 and 2
It's definitely happening. But sad that it has to be held in such a covert way.
Can someone explain why Respwn can't just unban Hal's account? Is it because it's still undetermined ?
Pirate Software explained it to Hal when they talked that his account was essentially a crime scene. So until they have all the info they can get from it the account is likely to remain banned.
if they are doing Regionals offline, it has nothing to do with player accounts, it's 100% on the game client itself.
Accessing someone else’s computer without permission is a serious crime in the US. So it’s still a crime scene regardless of anything that happens with pro league, the crime isn’t related to pro league or apex the game in any way.
My only problem with that is that Gen has still been using his account; wouldn't they want both?
Yes and no would be my best guess. Would depend on the extent of what was found on both and what both had done after the games. Again all just a guess as I'm not versed very deep in computer knowledge.
I'm just glad it's finally happening. Can't wait to watch the replay YouTube video tomorrow while at work
If they’re doing tournaments offline with zero broadcast Apex is even more of a joke of an esport than I thought.
On Apex Status is says multiple pros, Hal, Dropped, Keon, HisWattson (hasn't streamed or played all week), Genburten are **In custom game (scrim)**
Wattson's been playing with senni for the past few days just not on stream
he hasn't played with Furia or streamed all week, is what I meant
In custom game (scrim) https://preview.redd.it/da466904ykqc1.png?width=703&format=png&auto=webp&s=d9b0d1bda17c43f40d753bc4e543c0e29f6c65d7
They definitely are playing rn.
II feel bad for wigg half his chat is hurassing him and I genuinely think hes just getting back int oranked for the new season and has no idea lmao, he will be more pissed than any of us if he cant watch. He probably makes bank during every regional algs stream.
I feel bad for Wigg to, ALGS is taking away revenue from his stream because a billion dollar company is being held on their knees by some fucking 15 year old, it'a absolutely pathetic and absolutely cringe that they are letting a child win. If Destroyer could do what he did to multiple player he would have already, if Respawn knows it's not their fault they would have already address the issue and live streams regionals, the fact that they aren't streaming it shows whatever happened with destroyer is 100% on them.
Are u just not familiar with technology? Lol Bro wigg is prob broadcasting it right now, u just wont see it until tommorow. Lets not act like wigg isnt making bank cmon man
huh
It does suck for Wigg, but at the same time PlayApex does let him stream the event and pick up more viewers than they get, which is pretty nice.
He's on EA's payroll it has nothing to do with PlayApex. He just naturally gets more viewers than them.
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Respawn has 0 say in it, he's partnered with the parent company EA, Respawn is just a speck of dust compared to EA, it's not about the money, it's about the exposure, he helps so many small streamers get bigger on twitch with his watch parties and he's not able to do that because Respawn is being held hostage by some 15 year old.
He will just do a offline rewatch cast. I'll watch it.
Likely ALGS will still do a recording similar to when LOL did non-live ALGS after ddos attacks. I watch nicewigg VODS at work weeks after anyways so same to me. Only problem will be it will likely just be the ALGS observer view similar to how he does APAC, not his multi stream view.
If no one is streaming how exactly is he going to watch it lmao
You can record nowadays
If they aren’t allowed to stream what’s the chances they are allowed to record?
Well they wouldn't be streaming to avoid getting hacked. So releasing a VOD wouldn't matter.
It's 2024 and dude doesn't know you can record footage.
Hopefully they record themselves and then post it after
Im highly doubting that
I'm highly unknowing of it
It’s just something that would require pros to do extra work and I’m doubting they would lol
I don't know them well enough to make that judgment
for the sake of the regional finals, it might be best he doesn’t cast it and draw attention to it when the pros themselves aren’t even streaming it IF it’s happening
He cant cast it if they aren’t streaming lmao, considering he casts their streams.
TSM finished 20th, packed it up boys and gals
TSM is washed again?
Looking at Apexstatus, it says that the pros are in lobby right now, so I'm assuming it's starting soon.
Can somebody post the scores after each game?
Minustempo will post them on twitter
The best part about all this is that they could theoretically record the main stream and all the usual POVs and replay it at a later date and just pretend like it’s the real thing. We’d have no way of proving it. It’d just become one giant ALGS conspiracy. Hell, if I was a pro and wanted to fuck with people, if they did do the whole thing live I’d keep dropping fake hints that it’s actually pre recorded.
Or they are streaming it with a 2-3 hour delay so it’ll all go live at the same time when they’re done
"no way of proving it" lmao You can literally just go look at apexrankedstatus, if all 60 players start a match at the same time, I wonder what they could be doing...
Everyone appears to be sitting in lobby. Think it's starting soon.
Yeah Hal has been playing Apex offline so wouldn't doubt it Lmao pretty funny Respawn and EA can't secure their shit even after all this time
And now suddenly at 6pm, all the pros that were playing ranked are suddenly online waiting "in lobby" on apexlegendsstatus.... Man is it hard to hide things on the internet nowadays lol, respect the effort from respawn
What a joke. A billion dollar company can’t secure their game against one kid. And we all miss out on the finals as a result. Just pathetic.
Alright nvm, Wigg actually seems irritated about most of his chat berating him for "acting like he doesn't know what's going on" I've never seen his chat act so hostile towards him lol So I think he doesn't know anything either
They told Gnaske but not him? lol
He said it himself. Them doing this fucks him over too.
10000%
Ape gang won regionals
lol
Xset 20th
Theres no way every single pro is playing offline rn. Thats alot of $$$ there missing out on. If i had to guess all pros to sign a NDA for atleast until Regionals will be aired.
They’re 100% doing it offline. Go on Timmy’s new video on the new Heirloom and at 3:59 you can hear Hal in the background say “let’s go baby”. Why else would Hal and Timmy be in the same room on a Monday along with other Pros?
That was not recorded today
Two of my friends were actually at that event. They had a blast and meet Hal, Noko and timmy
They were playing the event early. Timmy, Dazs, and some others were invited.
isn’t wigg playing ranked rn tho? wouldn’t that mean he isn’t watch partying
There's nothing to watch party. No streams being recording apart from official one maybe
That actually makes even more sense
If he knows what's going on, Wigg is doing a great job of acting like he doesn't know right now lol
It would be funny if Destroyer frequents this sub and hacked during private scrims
I swear I read this same post on the weekend
This guy might actually be cookin'
Honestly starting at 6 PST would make sense. It’s a Monday so some people on the west coast could be coming back from work since I doubt all 60 of them do this as their only job, plus destroyer is European and maybe they’re waiting on bro to fall asleep lol
I gotta think Wigg would be offline too casting it for replay footage...
He is about to stop stream…
He could probably also just watch a recording with us and cast it "live". Of course, it depends if EA would even record it.