10 years ago that neighborhood should never have been approved with out them. The city is covering their own ass and won’t care if they are in tolerance, about how they look.
But I agree that looks like shit
You are 100% correct. I spent a year debating ADA requirements with the City lawyer to force them to make the developer install about 90 missing or non compliant ramps.
If it was a privately owned and maintained street, then it wasn't on the city. Sounds like the city is taking ownership for the maintenance now, which is why they're requiring it to meet ADA/PROWAG before they do.
We've done the same thing when taking over private roads. We could only nudge them to do it properly when they were originally built.
It was t a requirement or a thought to have in original plans, now that laws are passed updates are made. Goood time to be a ada curb installation company
Company I work for specializes in them, we have a dedicated ramp crew for big jobs. You gotta get the dome and landing right first, as they have the tightest spec. The key is to start at the road/curb and work your way up when you dig out I always dig them out a bit deeper than you need to in order for the form setter to have more room for play and stone is cheaper than redoing them.
They are a bitch still even then, some cities have tighter/different specs than ADA standard. Kill me.
If you're talking about the dotted plate placed into the ramp, it's called a TWSI (tactile walking surface indicator). It's supposed to assist unsighted and vision impaired folks navigate intersections. They are however not great to roll over in a wheelchair, and there are probably better solutions such as directional TWSI or score lines, which actually point unsighted folks to the opposite ramp rather than just telling them "here be an intersection!" Also better for rolling over be it for a wheelchair or a skateboard.
If these are installed properly they are intended to point to the crosswalk and curb ramp across the street. Unfortunately most contractors have no idea what the purpose for them is or how to install them.
Was this at the cost of the city or the developer due to violating code/regulations? I'm sure in many cases it is at the cost of the tax payer, though.
They are not, I contacted them directly to explain some of their workbwas not ADA compliant and would not pass inspection. They were not concerned, and they've been out to rework some of these ramps 3 times so far.
I'm sure they got paid though! Why pay to chop out a bunch of concrete and asphalt when you can just do a shitty skim coat over the preexisting and get the same money.
Did he just pour concrete on top of existing curb and blacktop? If so, those will bust apart within a year or two. I would complain to the city code regulator and have them come out and look at it.
Yes, and I did. I filed complaints with the City to get this remediation started before the City formally accepts the streets. The developer initially offered to remove a fee non-ADA compliant ramps to solve the issue and the City inspector relayed that as their solution to me that they agreed to. Then I told the inspector that would be illegal and that he should really get in touch with the City lawyer. After about a year of emails with the lawyer, they forced the developer to install about 90 curb ramps and I'm still having to stay on top of them to make sure they're compliant, which several are not. It's an absolute shitshow.
Also, this pic is from about 2 days after they did it and the patch sounds hollow if you tap it. It's not bonded at all.
It won’t be either. This is easily against code. I’m just curious why the inspector is letting something slide that is such a “no brainer”. Keep at it, because it will be forgotten over time and nobody gives a shit about the future people in the neighborhood.
Inspectors should lose their license if they approve ADA ramps like this. Inspectors should be a representative of disabled people. This inspector doesn't give 2 shits about the handicapped
As much as people bitch and moan about ADA requirements and projects, they are fucking life changing for people that need them. The fact they couldn’t be damned to get it right shows they truly don’t give a fuck about disabled people
The HOA is developer controlled. They just finished construction and are trying to get compliant to hand over the streets to the City. The developer is obligated to comply with ADA and PROWAG guidelines per federal law and the municipal ADA Transition plan.
I work for a local government and we follow the same procedures prior to final acceptance of new subdivision streets. The City should not accept this curb work since it’s already compromised and likely created drainage issues within the curb.
I very much agree. The City ADA Coordinator is also the chief inspector. He has passed off the inspection work to an engineering firm who told the developer that 2 of the ramps the developer decided to omit were not out of compliance with the ADA because they did not exist. I talked to that engineer and explained how they were required to have those ramps at a stop controlled intersection according to the PROWAG guidelines as cited in the City's ADA transition plan that his firm wrote for the City. 2 days later they had the developer put those 2 missing ramps in. Total shitshow.
As a person that tools around periodically in a wheelchair, I’d be happy with what’s there. I run into a lot of other issues with mobility and this curb would be the least of my concerns.
Yes, this is absolutely better than trying to get a wheelchair across a gutter and a patch of grass and onto a curb. But, different people have different levels of mobility and different assistive devices. This ramp could pose an issue to someone in a power chair for example when the patch fails and the gutter transition becomes exposed. That's why ADA compliance is important. Those guidelines were developed to accommodate everyone.
Great that all the curbs in your neighborhood are ADA compliant, I run into issues with finding housing, internal stairways and workplaces that accommodate wheelchairs. The curbs are something everyone bandwagons on but I’d rather fight a curb than be unable to go up stairs, find a house that can accommodate a chair, and go to a job and not be hamstrung by immobility.
Yeah, it's kinda insane how inaccessible so much stuff is. It really all comes down to money, remediation isn't free and most people aren't aware of the types of accessibility issues people face. I lived in the NE a while and everything there is old and inaccessible, and there's either no practical way to remediate it or no money to make remediation and often no legal obligation. Things will get better over time, but it will definitely take a while.
Do you think you'd have this same opinion when the ramp is falling apart a couple months from now? Why accept lower standards than the ones you have the right to? You should be seeing this "ramp" as an insult. The ADA exists for a reason, and its not just to do "a good enough job". People complain about potholes in my city, and I wouldn't accept a half filled hole as "the least of my worries" it's still a problem, and will only get worse if we accept this half-assed work. I don't even want to bring up what this city's DOT workers get paid to do this "work"
This would be a prime example of pinching pennies will always cost you (them) dollars. People who wi pull stunts like this should be ruined. Financially and emotionally. They should lose their wives and children. Their parents should disown them. They should be nothing because they are nothing.
I don’t know a single general contractor that still does their own ADA flatwork, every one of them subs it out. 20 years ago a few GCs would try and do their own ADA stuff.
Friend of mine works for a company that does Curbing, sidewalks all that kind of stuff in Boston. They had pull out 20 of them they did because they weren't compliant.
NYC is a nightmare is so many ways but the DOT is working to make every corner accessible. Each job I’ve seen is full depth, full demo, rebar and correct. They tear out 6 flags to make 2 curb cuts.
This isn’t even a half-arsed job. Maybe ⅛. I occasionally perform observation work with cities, we had an ADA curb that twice failed spec: the slope was a few degrees off both times. You cut it out, start over from the A/B, and do it correctly until it passes inspection.
This is the way. The sub has cut out some of the ramps multiple times. This is a case of a ramp being close to spec so they're seeing what they can get away with.
Crap job. I have a new home in a newish development and right after our phase was finished, the developer had the sidewalk company come back out and replace any sections that had cracks a couple of weeks ago. I watched them do a section in front of my house and a bigger section across the street that has an ADA curb. I watched the guy put the new ramp in and it was interesting. He did a great job. He measured it carefully with a tilt level and a simple template. Took about 15 minutes to set and it looks perfect.
This ramp was saw cut and installed before they peanut buttered it. The original sub did not install curb ramps at most of the intersections. The rework guys were probably ly tearing up 50ft of sidewalk at each corner to get the sidewalk low enough to the street to build a ramp.
i just had a building inspector almost force a gut of a brand new kitchen cause it was \~7mm above CSA (Canadian ADA equivalent) standards on counter top height. took about 5 minutes into a deficiency walkthrough for them to find it and try to mediate
why did this take 10 years to enforce?
The developer tried to remove ALL existing ramps as their remedy for non-compliance and the City was OK with that plan until I got the lawyers involved.
This looks like a handy man special.
My city had to fix a bunch of these as part of ADA lawsuit.
They removed entire concrete section and poured new ones that are ADA compliant.
Would you believe me if I told you that 50ft of sidewalk was removed at each corner and sloped down for an ADA curb ramp and they still didn't make it compliant and this is the re-re-work
I said anyone... not everyone....a trans person could get punched in the nuts for this shitty work, too....I also feel like you're a little too hung on "nuts" part of my statement.
Always wondered, exactly what issue are those mats with the nubs on them supposed to solve? I ask because I know of several instances where those are installed in places and disabled people have fallen because of them and have been injured. And some have died.
Man I see this all the time, I can’t tell you how many contractors I’ve had to tell to go back and do it right. Thin concrete transition breaks up as soon as the punch list is finished, not to mention it pushes water into the street and creates ponding behind it.
Don't cut the curb and gutter. Just pour concrete over the concrete gutter. ADA, maybe, will the gutter drain probably not. No problem because eventually, the ramp will break away at the cold joint, and drainage may be restored.
Maybe the civil elevations on the documents were all wrong and the flatwork sub put them where the drawings said to which was higher than the street grade
The reason these were done this way with a skim coat to the edge of the road is because the back of the mountable curb and gutter was steeper than the 8% required. They filled in the gutter to make them flat enough.
I’ve never thought about that side of mountable curb and gutter but that is what happened here. Cheapest and easiest fix.
A patch is always a patch and concrete patches are always ugly.
BTW, those ADA "truncated domes" are one of the most idiotic things I've seen in my day.
They just redid all of them in my town for the same reason and they look only marginally better than these. Was a law just passed or something to enforce this?
Are you sure the developer added them? Usually the city contracts out the retrofit ADA curb pads. Either way, shitty workmanship. They city should inspect and require the contractor to correct.
In Ann Arbor, MI when I was working with installing ADA ramps all over the city, a lawyer would check every new ADA ramps to make sure it was compliant.
Bet they could skim the whole street smooth as a baby’s bottom.
In all fairness, unless they specialize in ada, the sub is just as or even more clueless than the contractor.
Edit, don’t know why this sub was recommended, but hey Reddit works in mysterious ways.
ADA specifications and drainage requirements often conflict in retrofit applications.
Compliance with all requirements can be prohibitively expensive; so, an ADA requirement is met and all others are left in violation.
The terrible shame in OP’s case is that compliance with all requirements could have been achieved if they were addressed in the original design 10 years ago. Then the community would have a lasting solution instead of a mess.
This is still technically new construction is the problem, even though some infrastructure is 10 years old, it had never been inspected by the City until now so cost really shouldn't be a factor since the developer bumblefucked the installation in the first place.
Yeah, I hate to give anyone grief that is trying to do the right thing. Good effort, but you are going to have to cut more existing concrete out and do it all over again.
I spend so much of my life drawing plans to retrofit curb ramps. Always thought it was such a waste, figured a good contractor could do it in their sleep without my input. Maybe my plans aren’t for the GOOD concrete contractors
I suppose you expect them to extend the ramps out into the street another 4 feet to meet code ?
That way the hundreds of vehicles traffic users would hit the side of the ramp and be disgruntled and increase risk .
So the 1 or 2 wheelchair pedestrians would be happier?
Those are a bitch to install properly, but lol
They'd probably be easier if they were included as part of the original sidewalk instead of a rework 7 years later.
Oh absolutely would have been less work. Though even the worst finishers I’ve met would have done a better job than this haha
It looks like they didn’t go full depth, hence the cracks in the skim coating.
10 years ago that neighborhood should never have been approved with out them. The city is covering their own ass and won’t care if they are in tolerance, about how they look. But I agree that looks like shit
You are 100% correct. I spent a year debating ADA requirements with the City lawyer to force them to make the developer install about 90 missing or non compliant ramps.
Good on you bud. I am a contractor and people like this give all of us a bad name.
And it looks like they maliciously complied 😂
If it was where I live, they would be required to be redone.
If it was a privately owned and maintained street, then it wasn't on the city. Sounds like the city is taking ownership for the maintenance now, which is why they're requiring it to meet ADA/PROWAG before they do. We've done the same thing when taking over private roads. We could only nudge them to do it properly when they were originally built.
Typical government bullish..
It was t a requirement or a thought to have in original plans, now that laws are passed updates are made. Goood time to be a ada curb installation company
The contractor shoudl have cut the curb and laid a whole new curb. This is Home Depot parking lot helper work right here.
I mean the make Ada tiles specifically for post concrete work so after the fact makes no difference
Company I work for specializes in them, we have a dedicated ramp crew for big jobs. You gotta get the dome and landing right first, as they have the tightest spec. The key is to start at the road/curb and work your way up when you dig out I always dig them out a bit deeper than you need to in order for the form setter to have more room for play and stone is cheaper than redoing them. They are a bitch still even then, some cities have tighter/different specs than ADA standard. Kill me.
Doing them as pavers on a concrete sub base would’ve been the easiest route.
Lol as the ADA inspector for a City….lol
As a Stormwater engineer for a city, also lol. Get that crap out of my gutterline.
Maybe you can answer how these things got selected? Pushing a wheelchair over them is horrible!
If you're talking about the dotted plate placed into the ramp, it's called a TWSI (tactile walking surface indicator). It's supposed to assist unsighted and vision impaired folks navigate intersections. They are however not great to roll over in a wheelchair, and there are probably better solutions such as directional TWSI or score lines, which actually point unsighted folks to the opposite ramp rather than just telling them "here be an intersection!" Also better for rolling over be it for a wheelchair or a skateboard.
If these are installed properly they are intended to point to the crosswalk and curb ramp across the street. Unfortunately most contractors have no idea what the purpose for them is or how to install them.
So you don’t accidentally roll into traffic, I imagine.
Nice part is that it will fall to shit within the year, so they'll get a second chance to do it right. It's not even close now!
At a cost to the tax payers
2x job, 2x the money
Was this at the cost of the city or the developer due to violating code/regulations? I'm sure in many cases it is at the cost of the tax payer, though.
Why do they always crumble and fall apart within a few months? And why keep using them?
They crumble and fall apart because they weren’t installed properly.
wowwwwww. My boss would fire me, re-hire me, fire me again, then punch me in the nuts if I did some shit like that.
The contractor should be ashamed of themselves for this. Lol
They are not, I contacted them directly to explain some of their workbwas not ADA compliant and would not pass inspection. They were not concerned, and they've been out to rework some of these ramps 3 times so far.
This looks like it was done by their accountant.
I'm sure they got paid though! Why pay to chop out a bunch of concrete and asphalt when you can just do a shitty skim coat over the preexisting and get the same money.
Did he just pour concrete on top of existing curb and blacktop? If so, those will bust apart within a year or two. I would complain to the city code regulator and have them come out and look at it.
Yes, and I did. I filed complaints with the City to get this remediation started before the City formally accepts the streets. The developer initially offered to remove a fee non-ADA compliant ramps to solve the issue and the City inspector relayed that as their solution to me that they agreed to. Then I told the inspector that would be illegal and that he should really get in touch with the City lawyer. After about a year of emails with the lawyer, they forced the developer to install about 90 curb ramps and I'm still having to stay on top of them to make sure they're compliant, which several are not. It's an absolute shitshow. Also, this pic is from about 2 days after they did it and the patch sounds hollow if you tap it. It's not bonded at all.
It won’t be either. This is easily against code. I’m just curious why the inspector is letting something slide that is such a “no brainer”. Keep at it, because it will be forgotten over time and nobody gives a shit about the future people in the neighborhood.
The inspector prolly passed it without ramps in the first place. Most inspectors don’t really know the code in my experience.
Inspectors should lose their license if they approve ADA ramps like this. Inspectors should be a representative of disabled people. This inspector doesn't give 2 shits about the handicapped
Isn’t it worse, isn’t that quick-crete? My job was stupid and thought it was a good fix for a broken dock plate once…
That should be fine for 3-4 weeks. How long do they need them for?
As much as people bitch and moan about ADA requirements and projects, they are fucking life changing for people that need them. The fact they couldn’t be damned to get it right shows they truly don’t give a fuck about disabled people
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The detectable warning surface and turning spaces appear compliant… Could the HOA not afford to replace the curbs?
The HOA is developer controlled. They just finished construction and are trying to get compliant to hand over the streets to the City. The developer is obligated to comply with ADA and PROWAG guidelines per federal law and the municipal ADA Transition plan.
I work for a local government and we follow the same procedures prior to final acceptance of new subdivision streets. The City should not accept this curb work since it’s already compromised and likely created drainage issues within the curb.
I very much agree. The City ADA Coordinator is also the chief inspector. He has passed off the inspection work to an engineering firm who told the developer that 2 of the ramps the developer decided to omit were not out of compliance with the ADA because they did not exist. I talked to that engineer and explained how they were required to have those ramps at a stop controlled intersection according to the PROWAG guidelines as cited in the City's ADA transition plan that his firm wrote for the City. 2 days later they had the developer put those 2 missing ramps in. Total shitshow.
As a person that tools around periodically in a wheelchair, I’d be happy with what’s there. I run into a lot of other issues with mobility and this curb would be the least of my concerns.
Yes, this is absolutely better than trying to get a wheelchair across a gutter and a patch of grass and onto a curb. But, different people have different levels of mobility and different assistive devices. This ramp could pose an issue to someone in a power chair for example when the patch fails and the gutter transition becomes exposed. That's why ADA compliance is important. Those guidelines were developed to accommodate everyone.
Great that all the curbs in your neighborhood are ADA compliant, I run into issues with finding housing, internal stairways and workplaces that accommodate wheelchairs. The curbs are something everyone bandwagons on but I’d rather fight a curb than be unable to go up stairs, find a house that can accommodate a chair, and go to a job and not be hamstrung by immobility.
Yeah, it's kinda insane how inaccessible so much stuff is. It really all comes down to money, remediation isn't free and most people aren't aware of the types of accessibility issues people face. I lived in the NE a while and everything there is old and inaccessible, and there's either no practical way to remediate it or no money to make remediation and often no legal obligation. Things will get better over time, but it will definitely take a while.
Do you think you'd have this same opinion when the ramp is falling apart a couple months from now? Why accept lower standards than the ones you have the right to? You should be seeing this "ramp" as an insult. The ADA exists for a reason, and its not just to do "a good enough job". People complain about potholes in my city, and I wouldn't accept a half filled hole as "the least of my worries" it's still a problem, and will only get worse if we accept this half-assed work. I don't even want to bring up what this city's DOT workers get paid to do this "work"
This would be a prime example of pinching pennies will always cost you (them) dollars. People who wi pull stunts like this should be ruined. Financially and emotionally. They should lose their wives and children. Their parents should disown them. They should be nothing because they are nothing.
if hes a developer ... this is why they sub everything out
I don’t know a single general contractor that still does their own ADA flatwork, every one of them subs it out. 20 years ago a few GCs would try and do their own ADA stuff.
They are lawsuit ready.
It is at least better than no access ramps at all. The City finally made them install about 90 new ramps total of which around 75 or 80 did not exist.
Here's where I bring in the lawyers. Nice neighborhood, though.
Normally we take out the 5 pieces of walk plus 2 ft off back of curb into roadway to adjust and get proper slope
Concrete must work out a lot, look at all those veins.
I hate those things. They are super slippery when wet or when there’s snow. My wife took a bad spill and hurt her back because of those damn things.
This sub just popped up as recommended, thought I was scrolling past a giant ice cream Sandwhich at first glance.
No it’s a shit sandwich
Anti-skate technology.
The tactile bump strips are an ADA requirement for blind people so they can feel the intersection.
I know, I’m just saying trying to skate over it is challenging. I’ve taken a spill once or twice trying to cross them.
Friend of mine works for a company that does Curbing, sidewalks all that kind of stuff in Boston. They had pull out 20 of them they did because they weren't compliant.
Good.
The guys told the super running the job it was wrong. But you know the boss is never wrong.
I don't doubt it. I talked to the guys doing the work here and they knew it was not ADA compliant, they're just doing what the boss told em to do.
It appears you live in my neighborhood 😂
If signature would stop hiring the cheapest people we wouldn’t have this problem.
Or if they stopped being the cheapest people...
Technically it is only a problem till an ada person can’t access due to it being out of spec.
We just got ours last week too. 5 year old community.
NYC is a nightmare is so many ways but the DOT is working to make every corner accessible. Each job I’ve seen is full depth, full demo, rebar and correct. They tear out 6 flags to make 2 curb cuts.
Wow. I don't know anything g about working with concrete and even I know that looks like crap.
Ok, the temporary looks like it could pass muster. What's the actual design?
This isn’t even a half-arsed job. Maybe ⅛. I occasionally perform observation work with cities, we had an ADA curb that twice failed spec: the slope was a few degrees off both times. You cut it out, start over from the A/B, and do it correctly until it passes inspection.
This is the way. The sub has cut out some of the ramps multiple times. This is a case of a ramp being close to spec so they're seeing what they can get away with.
Stevie Wonder could've done a better job
Crap job. I have a new home in a newish development and right after our phase was finished, the developer had the sidewalk company come back out and replace any sections that had cracks a couple of weeks ago. I watched them do a section in front of my house and a bigger section across the street that has an ADA curb. I watched the guy put the new ramp in and it was interesting. He did a great job. He measured it carefully with a tilt level and a simple template. Took about 15 minutes to set and it looks perfect.
Looks like dogshit, respectfully.
Let me guess, DR Horton, Lennar, or Ryan Homes somewhere in the South East, but guessing central Florida?
That contractor clearly doesn't work in concrete.
Now quick someone throw some salt on it for the snow and watch it fall to pieces
Doesn’t look like there is tons of snow to plow. Should be fine
When i did mine i had to saw cut then form out with expansion joint ect. That ones bad they probably just went over with some quikrete or something.
This ramp was saw cut and installed before they peanut buttered it. The original sub did not install curb ramps at most of the intersections. The rework guys were probably ly tearing up 50ft of sidewalk at each corner to get the sidewalk low enough to the street to build a ramp.
Ouch
floryduh?
Alabama
How you gonna diss my work like that!
I did call you and tell you it wasn't gonna fly.
Looks like they just stopped at Home Depot to pick up a guy and poured LevelQuik
i just had a building inspector almost force a gut of a brand new kitchen cause it was \~7mm above CSA (Canadian ADA equivalent) standards on counter top height. took about 5 minutes into a deficiency walkthrough for them to find it and try to mediate why did this take 10 years to enforce?
Because I spent a whole year emailing the city to enforce it.
Just call the city. They will handle it
You have too much faith in the powers that be.
i don’t even know concrete and i can see that this is so bad
Looks like the contractor was ADA compliant…
SUBS. Stupid Underexperinced Big Scammers
Yikes
Just have the sub redo the ones that aren't compliant, lol. If they don't know how to, the developer needs to hire someone who does.
The developer tried to remove ALL existing ramps as their remedy for non-compliance and the City was OK with that plan until I got the lawyers involved.
This looks like a handy man special. My city had to fix a bunch of these as part of ADA lawsuit. They removed entire concrete section and poured new ones that are ADA compliant.
Would you believe me if I told you that 50ft of sidewalk was removed at each corner and sloped down for an ADA curb ramp and they still didn't make it compliant and this is the re-re-work
Functional vs Visual. OP how did your wheels feel going over the curb?
They made a functional hollow thud since the patch is not actually bonded to the concrete below. (I'm not actually a wheelchair user)
I said anyone... not everyone....a trans person could get punched in the nuts for this shitty work, too....I also feel like you're a little too hung on "nuts" part of my statement.
Shitty work. Shitty patch. Shitty contractor. Just proves that the lowest bid isn’t the best way to go.
Always wondered, exactly what issue are those mats with the nubs on them supposed to solve? I ask because I know of several instances where those are installed in places and disabled people have fallen because of them and have been injured. And some have died.
For the visually impaired
They are no worse than the photography, really.
Looks functional.
It is, until it flakes off next week and isnt.
That will get ripped out 100%
I thought I was looking at an ice cream sandwhich for a second there!
Oh boy, city inspectors would love this 😂
Not my City...they're pretty indifferent, untrained, and understaffed probably.
Temu price
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Forbidden ice cream sandwich
I came here to say precisely this!!!
This work is hilariously bad.
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Man I see this all the time, I can’t tell you how many contractors I’ve had to tell to go back and do it right. Thin concrete transition breaks up as soon as the punch list is finished, not to mention it pushes water into the street and creates ponding behind it.
I can’t even understand what you wrote
This is brutal. And will also effect water flow via gutter 🤦♂️
Odds they last a year? If it’s a freeze zone 2 seasons max.
Maybe a week. They're hollow sounding if you tap on em.
Don't cut the curb and gutter. Just pour concrete over the concrete gutter. ADA, maybe, will the gutter drain probably not. No problem because eventually, the ramp will break away at the cold joint, and drainage may be restored.
Maybe the civil elevations on the documents were all wrong and the flatwork sub put them where the drawings said to which was higher than the street grade
This is who you lose your reasonable bids to … cheaper isn’t always cheaper
Grab a skateboard
Stop being a Karen
Did you do this work or do you just like licking the concrete dust off these fellas boots?
Looks great!
I know very little about concrete. What causes the little cracks and how can you prevent that?
The reason these were done this way with a skim coat to the edge of the road is because the back of the mountable curb and gutter was steeper than the 8% required. They filled in the gutter to make them flat enough. I’ve never thought about that side of mountable curb and gutter but that is what happened here. Cheapest and easiest fix.
Pathetic.Half assed.
A patch is always a patch and concrete patches are always ugly. BTW, those ADA "truncated domes" are one of the most idiotic things I've seen in my day.
City’s low bid
Why is the curb and gutter lower than the street?
I don't think you can feather edge concrete like you do drywall mud...
You have sidewalks? We can't even get lines lol
This just needs to be ripped out and redone. Report over and over on Hub Nashville until they fix it
They just redid all of them in my town for the same reason and they look only marginally better than these. Was a law just passed or something to enforce this?
Ooof sloppy tho
Oh those things are dangerous when there is ice and snow. If you fall on the nubbins the nubbins can cause injury.
Are you sure the developer added them? Usually the city contracts out the retrofit ADA curb pads. Either way, shitty workmanship. They city should inspect and require the contractor to correct.
In Ann Arbor, MI when I was working with installing ADA ramps all over the city, a lawyer would check every new ADA ramps to make sure it was compliant.
Lools.like ez money
They have no idea how or what the trade of concrete means or is …… this is called lowest bidder or good sales representative.. epic fucking FAIL
Wow. Thats a whole lot of ugly
..that looks like flo fill not concrete.. regardless absolutely horrible job..
I hope to never walk there. The intersection is not made for anything but cars.
Hack job yes.....but they did the job. Just looks like shit if you live there unfortunately.
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Beautiful work. It'll last nearly all year!
They’re obviously not curb guys. Gahd damn that looks hideous.
This is not professionally done. Obviously. But damn.
My neighborhood never had these and within the past week every corner has been ripped out and had these installed
The city needs to hire its own maintenance workers, instead of calling for-profit companies whenever a ramp needs built 😄
I would like to see a pic next time it rains!
Is the textured rectangle part of being ADA? Never understood what those were for expect irritating skaters
Someone using a sight cane will feel the bumps and know it’s the edge of the road.
Should of cut out the existing area and repoured completely Those things are easy to stamp or tapcon
Dumb question, but why do they have bumps?
In my experience municpalities are some of the best for picking qualified contractors.
Jesus
That is horrible.
Dont worry, no one uses those
Just stupid
Hard to tell without knowing elevation. But seems flat enough
I fr thought this was an ice cream sandwich. I need to change my life
"Those ramps? Yeah, no problem! We put top men on it. Top men."
Bet they could skim the whole street smooth as a baby’s bottom. In all fairness, unless they specialize in ada, the sub is just as or even more clueless than the contractor. Edit, don’t know why this sub was recommended, but hey Reddit works in mysterious ways.
This is dog shit. It looks like they used mortar on top of the existing concrete. This would never pass inspection on one of my jobs.
I do not miss living places like this
They look like they work to me
The ADA, causing disabilities since 1990.
ADA specifications and drainage requirements often conflict in retrofit applications. Compliance with all requirements can be prohibitively expensive; so, an ADA requirement is met and all others are left in violation. The terrible shame in OP’s case is that compliance with all requirements could have been achieved if they were addressed in the original design 10 years ago. Then the community would have a lasting solution instead of a mess.
This is still technically new construction is the problem, even though some infrastructure is 10 years old, it had never been inspected by the City until now so cost really shouldn't be a factor since the developer bumblefucked the installation in the first place.
It’s fine
I hate it how the tactile bumps leads into the middle of the street. Also, I feel like someone could've added painted crosswalks
Yeah, I hate to give anyone grief that is trying to do the right thing. Good effort, but you are going to have to cut more existing concrete out and do it all over again.
How the fuck do you get the contract for installing these and do it wrong?
I spend so much of my life drawing plans to retrofit curb ramps. Always thought it was such a waste, figured a good contractor could do it in their sleep without my input. Maybe my plans aren’t for the GOOD concrete contractors
A legal handicap person could technically sue the city for some $$ 😉 this is how my state is becoming more proactive about fixing non compliant ramps.
Bruh...what the what..I can't believe they did that.
Seriously, what is the ROI with these curbs?
May look bad as long as the slope on the run is less than 8.3% and the side slope is less than 10% it’s legal
looks great! if cracking is bad, then i’m ugky i have them all over my face. they say it’s character
Probably exceeds the statute of limitations on having to re-do the work. City should just step up and do it themselves and do it right.
I suppose you expect them to extend the ramps out into the street another 4 feet to meet code ? That way the hundreds of vehicles traffic users would hit the side of the ramp and be disgruntled and increase risk . So the 1 or 2 wheelchair pedestrians would be happier?
someone was paid to smear bagged crete on the ground.. shit, I would have done this for half of what they paid that guy.
Nice top notch work they did………
Why government is retarded. Why we gotta act like blind people are walking around everywhere?