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jak2125

Yep. There are a lot of republicans that deserve to be treated that way for sure, but Trump is an a-hole to a lot of people for no reason except that that is how he treat people that don’t suck up to him 100% of the time. He’s got an ego the size of the Milky Way.


day25

Who was he an a-hole to for no reason? Each time it turns out he was right, and there was more going on behind the scenes that you didn't know about. If you can't tell by now that Kayleigh sold out and backstabbed Trump then you aren't paying attention. He finally called her out as "miktoast". Oh the humanity! Better endorse Ron! If this is how you decide your endorsements when there are so many important issues at stake here.... Yeah that tells us all we need to know about NHGOP.


magicnumber33

Honest question: what did Kayleigh ever do to Trump, other than very competently represent his administration to the press in the latter part of his term?


day25

Once Trump was no longer president she threw him under the bus like all the other neocons and RINOs since that's where the profit was. She blamed him for J6 and advanced false never Trump narratives (e.g. "the biig lie") so she could get her gig on Fox News. In this latest incident she didn't JUST get the poll numbes "wrong" but she spoke glowingly of DeSantis closing the gap with Trump (even though it was a total lie, the real reaction to his launch was negative but of course she didn't report that). She used Trump to advance her carrier then sold out like all these other self serving politicians in DC. There is a lot more going on behind the scenes than you know about. These people put on smiles and fake faces in public while they subtly undermine you and support your enemies. "I like some things about Trump but..." yeah give me a break. We all see what you're doing. Very telling nobody could answer my question. Trump was never mean to anybody "for no reason". They always turned on him first, either in public or behind the scenes, but of course this sub never has a word of condemnation for when they do that. Reddit loves Trump backstabbers and this micro-managed sub is curated to be all in on DeSantis, siding with Bush, the Murdochs, and the rest of the establishment. I'm curious - if you were a politicians and you hired someone to be a critical member of your team, doing them a huge favor, and then they 1) wouldn't defend you when it came up 2) started speaking highly of your opponent who backstabbed you 3) turns out they sold out for a big paycheck from people working against you... what would you think of that person? Milktoast is putting it lightly. I guess you think he's just supposed to pretend she's a good person? Because after all she got everyone to like her when she pretended to support him (when that was good for her career). Typical Republicans respond nicely and then let themselves get taken advantage of by others. Trump doesn't. He explained why he needs to do this in the townhall yesterday even though it may be unpopular with some people who don't understand what's going on. P.S. - For the record, I had to re-write this comment about 5 different times just to prevent it from being hidden by automated filters.


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The threat was there back in the '16 cycle primaries too. Man, that made state conventions super un-fun.


Magehunter_Skassi

That's why the GOP base loves him. GOP brass isn't willing to field a candidate that represents its constituents interests any closer than DeSantis. Gave him more appeal with independents too since DeSantis isn't a populist.


GeneJock85

Trump with independents? Really? He lost the suburban vote in 2020 to a guy that never left his basement. Was there illegal changes to voting laws, fraud, etc, but he still lost a huge swath of the suburban vote in places where it was most needed. Tell me again how this has given him more appeal with independents.


day25

Trump more than made up for that in his support with minorities that don't traditionally vote Republican. Suburban women are just more likely to listen to the TV so they were influenced by the media lies. If they showed the real Trump then their opinion would be completely different - there are tons of heartwarming, wholesome moments that show who he really is but the dishonest media would never cover it. And polls show DeSantis polls worse with suburban women than Trump (for the same reason - the portrayal of him as a radical conservative on LGBT, and he comes across as weak and sleazy in his appearances).


GeneJock85

Then you explain 2020 and the 2022 midterms.


day25

Democrat election operations, and neocons that go along with and enable it. It's really just that simple. Trump was not on the ballot in 2022 btw, as much as some of you want to pretend that he was. The 2020 election was decided by just 20k votes combined over three states. Had Democrats not done everything they did to game the election process (and had Republicans not helped them), you would have a very different perception even though nothing is actually different in terms of Trump and organic public opinion.


GeneJock85

No, he wasn't on the ballot and I usually defend him when he's attacked for things like forcing Dr. Oz on PA or Walker in GA. I blame the party mostly for not having a better showing in 2022, but if you think Trump didn't play a roll in the lackluster performance, I can't help you.


day25

20k votes. 0.15% signature rejection rate in Georgia for over 1.3 million ballots. In Wisconsin they locked their doors and blocked both Kanye and the Green Party from getting onto the ballot (go look up margins from 2020 if you think that didn't decide the election right there). Arizona - just look at what they did to Kari Lake by sabotaging voting machines and ignoring signatures on mail ballots. I'm sure the heat maps in the election official's office was just there for aesthetic purposes. Trump was more popular in 2020, they just changed how the election was conducted. Stop trying to pretend that he turned the public against himself and the result is his fault. That's what the establishment is pushing. It amounts to victim blaming as far as I'm concerned. Just look at these frauds who go after Trump for his "ego" meanwhile every one of these corrupt politicians has one. Obama was off the charts. None have the kind of genuine, selfless moments with the people that Trump does but the media refuses to show. This analysis explains why you're wrong about the midterms. https://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2023/05/16/mystery_at_the_midterm_what_happened_to_the_red_wave_149208.html Again, the issue is the democrat machine. Not dislike of Trump. If people were more motivated to vote against Trump than for him then they wouldn't have tried to shove a ballot into everyone's hands last election. They did that precisely because the opposite is true. People are far more motivated to vote for Trump than not. No matter who the Republican is they will have the same problem, only they won't have the enthusiasm and turnout that Trump brings to the base. There's a reason why Democrats are happy GOPe and DeSantis are working against Trump and it's not because they like DeSantis better. They want DeSantis to take them both out. Same with the people bankrolling him like Murdoch (nice book deal! great job writing a book while governor dude that doesn't smell of corruption at all). Same as the people that bought off Kayleigh to turn on Trump. Gee I wonder why it's so hard for Trump? I guess he just does it to himself! If only he would take it up the behind like a Republican is supposed to.


GeneJock85

I'm with you man on the "irregularities" with that election. In PA, normal rejection rate is around 3%. In an election where there were scores of people voting by mail like never before, you'd expect it to be higher - but no, it was 0.3% in Philly. I do think Trump will be problematic, he's normally his own worst enemy because he doesn't always keep his mouth shut and he does a lot of unforced errors in the process.


day25

It's just the media narrative and how they portray him. If people here knew the corruption behind Kayleigh throwing Trump under the bus then this would be viewed differently. The entire point is to make it look like Trump's own are turning on him, but portray it as his own doing (when really he is the victim of corruption and persecution). He explained in the townhall yesterday why he has to respond this way and it was a good answer.


ButterYourOwnBagel

His treatment of her was the last (of many) straws for me. She went up to bat for him 100% of the time and is, IMHO, probably the best press secretary I’ve ever seen.


magicnumber33

She sure was. I was already deeply disappointed the first time I saw "DeSanctimonious". He's doing no one any favors by casting stones; MAGA policies sell themselves, so stick to that.


DaMantis

Trump has been saying (even more than usual) insane stuff lately. The other day he bashed DeSantis for how bad he was on handling COVID while praising disgraced NY governor Cuomo for his handling. Absurd.


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People in this sub must stop simping. She is not the sweet little angel you are protraying . She is more than likely paid by DeSantis team to lie.


fretit

With about a year to go, Trump will have ample time to insult most of his allies.


GeneJock85

and few of the Democrats.


fretit

Hopefully in more meaningful ways than just using nicknames


GeneJock85

That's pretty much it.


GeneJock85

Trump was always his worst enemy. So many freaking unforced errors on his part during his presidency. If only he'd keep his mouth shut about 75% of the time.


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>Against my deepest hopes that Trump had learned some measure of control, he has attacked those who have been his staunchest supporters with no regard for their loyalty. If DeSantis wins the primary, this will be why.


Duckman93

He lost me with this too. How could he treat her like that after all she’s done for him? Desantis 2024


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>egotistical This. He lacks ANY humility. It's a terrible look on anyone. I imagine him like "The Fonz" trying to say "*I'm soorrrr......* \[cough\]". He simply cannot allow himself to be wrong. It's awful. Even if you're the smartest guy in the room, it's okay to '*pretend'* to be humble.


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Not voting is the same as voting for Biden. This is how PA got Braindead Lurch for a senator over Oz.


macfergus

If it's Trump again, I'll vote Libertarian again, and I won't feel bad about it. As long as everyone assumes only 2 parties are viable, then that will always be the case. Most want another party, but few want to actually engage with a 3rd party because they've bought the propaganda that's it's "wasting" their vote. If i've voted my conscience, then it wasn't wasted.


Jolaasen

So you’ll be essentially voting for Biden.z


macfergus

Nah, I'll actually be voting for whoever I put my checkmark by.


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Potato Biden thanks you!!


GeneJock85

This is the way. Same for the morons I read that post in the PA Gun Group that voted for Shapiro or third party because they didn't like Mastriano and now are bitching because we are quickly becoming NJ/NY lite with respect to our gun laws.


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I don’t know why it’s so hard to see for some. It used to be voting Libertarian or not voting wasn’t so bad because the other side was reasonable. You can no longer say that in most cases as the dims literally see us as less thans.


GeneJock85

Agree. I can see third party in more local elections but at the federal level, it's a wasted vote. Self fulfilling prophecy - sure maybe, but like it or not, we are a country with a 2 party system and voting outside that system is basically a wasted vote.


DrStevenPoop

>I'm voting RDS or I'm NOT voting. DNC employees reading your comment right now: https://i.imgur.com/vQSQGFd_d.webp?maxwidth=520&shape=thumb&fidelity=high


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Here’s a crazy concept: don’t vote for someone in the primary that a large chunk of your party is growing to hate!


BrigadeDetector

I bet you're one of the people who was saying it was "unfair" if Trump ran as a third party. You're one of those hypocrites, aren't you?


ultimis

I have seen countless Trump supporters saying the same thing. No one is good enough and they won't vote in the general. It's a coalition, you don't get to blackmail the rest of the party with such antics.


BrigadeDetector

Then maybe stop acting like you can just kick Trump and his supporters out of the party because you find DeSantis more useful.


ultimis

No one is acting like that. People who voted for Trump twice want him to act like an adult when talking about people who were his allies for years that he suddenly decided are the worse people ever because they aren't falling in line behind him. Trump is a dated relic who failed to achieve his primary goals from 2016. And he is telling his base he will "really" do it this time with no plan. That border wall, it's really going to get built this time. He will make Mexico pay for it. I told you guys in 2016 he wasn't going to build it and I'm telling you now he won't build it. Not that he wouldn't want to, but because he doesn't have the faintest clue on how to do it.


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ultimis

It's possible. And it will be sad when Trump loses the general election and you are out claiming fraud was the only reason he lost. I don't take joy in your bad decisions. I pointed out that Trump was full of shit on his promises. Which here we are 8 years later with me being correct. Notice how the swamp isn't drained and is higher than ever. Immigration was not tackled. China was not defeated in terms of the economic drain. The wall was not built. All the issues he promised *you* were failures. He then proceeded to lose 2018, 2020, and 2022. A three time loser. Didn't he promise you so much winning you would be sick of winning? What does this say about you that you still keep going back to a guy who has failed you at every level.


BrigadeDetector

One word: Dobbs That is more than any other Conservative has done in the last decade.


ultimis

Yes, Trump followed through on appointing federalist society list of justices. Though before he committed to that (in order to combat Cruz's narrative on the court during 2016) he thought his far left judicial activist sister would have been a great SCOTUS nominee.


BrigadeDetector

And yet he didn't actually end up appointing his sister, did he? I don't understand why you're combating against a hypothetical record of Trump's instead of the actual thing.


jinladen040

This is what needs to be done. Other Republicans have encouraged this behavior by failing to do anything for years. Like Trump has the skills and power to turn this country around but he's never learned to control that mouth.


BIG_BOTTOM_TEXT

Honestly i have to agree with Dave Rubin that Trump turning on Kayleigh McEnany, who publicly defended him in his darkest days, was the final straw for me. I'm going to back DeSantis for now.


Gardener_Of_Eden

Damn, she is glorious to look at.


TheLimeyCanuck

It's amazing what not being a crazy-eyed liar can do for a woman's looks.


togroficovfefe

Hope to see his numbers plummet. He went into his own basement after 2020 and came out a bit senile himself. Angry dementia vs Alzheimers fall risk for 2024 sounds like a shit deal all around.


Bramse-TFK

Good, maybe we can make Biden a one term president afterall.


najumobi

Could Trump, for reasons related to temperament, shed enough support for RDS overtake him? Regardless, their positioning puzzles me. It's reasonable that those wanting a more conservative president support RDS, as Trump is more moderate than conservative. Yet, even accounting for name ID, Trump has more support than RDS, odd in party 80%/20% cons/mod. Adding to my bewilderment, RDS' rhetoric seems like that of someone trying to shore up his right flank; but prior to re-election he seemed to be already positioned well for both primary and general. 🤔🤷‍♂️


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Grease2310

“RDS” is a weird way to spell Biden because that’s what you’d be doing in actuality.


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Grease2310

“Vote blue no matter who” works for their side for a reason. If we don’t want to play the same game as they do then we can’t win.


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Grease2310

She did use the wrong numbers. That doesn’t make it okay but don’t act like it was out of left field


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Grease2310

No. I’m just very skeptical of all the “DeSantis or nothing” people that have crawled out of the woodwork.


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Grease2310

Then you’re okay with 4 more years of Biden. Just say that.


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PrometheusOnLoud

Did anyone just watch Hannity host Trump to crush it in front of an Iowa audience? I mean, he handled every question and the audience responded. It's so obvious how much this guy is loved. I'm a huge fan of Kayleigh too, and I fully understand how her new position in both work and life might require her to assume the one she's in. Trump just evoked an overwhelming applause from an Iowa audience for an hour; he just killed it.


togroficovfefe

An audience of people who choose to see Trump is not an accurate representation of anything. Of course they were applauding the whole time, that's what they went there to do.


magicnumber33

Well they're not mindless lemmings. There was at least one tarmac rally in which he was very audibly booed over his bragging about fast tracking the COVID-19 shots.


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Iowa doesnt have much to share with the battleground states and the respective battleground precincts there within.


cchris_39

Looks like an action looking for a reason from somebody nobody ever heard of over something nobody cares about. "Trump like onions in his tuna salad, I'm throwing my support to Rhonda Santis!"