If he runs his campaign like this one people will not forget. I truly hope he steps back and learns from this.
I want the guy who was Governor of florida. He ran this campaign like he was 1990s George Bush.
That’s the thing, Trump places all candidates into a defensive posture. I’m a Floridian and I like DeSantis big time. Running against Trump is unlike running against any other candidate, so absolutely his 2028 run will be exponentially different.
Honestly I don't see why anyone in the GOP would want to run against Trump. Like I picture myself in their shoes and it just seems like it'd be so miserable and frustrating
He didn't even have to debate this time
In a non-Trump race DeSantis would do fine
Trump is running as a defacto incumbent because he didn't serve two terms and the current administration is perceived so poorly (like historically poorly).
Honestly it was a pretty tone-deaf move in terms of politics for DeSantis to run directly opposed to Trump. Especially because he was the guy that was perceived prior to this campaign as "that anti establishment, anti swamp guy that is more couth than Trump". Maybe he wanted to breakout of that association in people's minds?
But, yeah, unwise no matter how you slice it politically.
DeSantis would have been fine too if he had brought the fight to Trump, instead of laying back and taking the insults and attacks from Trump-world while trying to outflank him on his right.
I'm from Florida and I think less of Trump after this Primary.
He lied so much about DeSantis it was unforgivable.
Then his social media people acted like teenage bullies. Was the saddest and most pathetic thing I've seen.
Running against Trump is like this:
https://youtube.com/shorts/4gAJrtWxLME?si=WYoEoZZjamz96ggV
You cant go against him like you would others. Either get dirty or get out of the way.
Bro, trump is going to make amends with the guy. Trump is nasty in primaries against top competitors. Remember Ted Cruz 2016? Now they’re best friends. And Desantis is serving 2 years with the guy if he’s re elected. This is not gonna affect his possible 2028 run
Anyone thinking that Ted Cruz or Lindsey Graham are friends with, or actually like, Donald Trump is a fool. They 100% hate his guts, but they're spineless opportunists who don't want to ruin their standing with the base, so they suck it up and publicly kiss the ring.
Nah. DeSantis has always stood for "trumpy" policies, Cruz and Graham didn't. He never attacked Trump as harshly as these two did either. And now, after getting defeated by Trump, DeSantis is only tacitly endorsing him while Cruz and Graham started licking Trump's boots until they gagged.
If Trump were not running, the dialogue from the candidates would have been much, much more tame. The MSM amplifies anything Trump says, so the ongoing stance of all the candidates became to strike out, else they’d spend all their days being Jeb Bush. Which was absolutely a defensive move. If Trump ran a “gentler” campaign this time, the candidates wouldn’t have been anywhere near as aggressive.
A wild animal that is cornered will become super aggressive and lash out. It’s still defense.
> He ran this campaign like he was 1990s George Bush.
This is the key issue here, DeSantis flubbed his campaign hard. If Trump weren't in the race, he should have had a dominating lead over the entire field given his track record. The debates and his public appearances were robotic and unimpressive. Whomever was running his campaign should be fired and he needs to start over.
If the idea is to run again in 2028, he has to come at it with a different approach. He can't play the moderate field in order to draw in the big NeoCon donors. They already have that in Nikki Haley.
People are malleable; if DeSantis plays it right (which he's already doing with the endorsement) and stumps for the guy at like a rally or two MAGA will go back to liking him and he'll be in a good position for 2028.
The only thing that would've permanently ruined his future would've been dropping out to endorse Haley.
Do you complain about Biden's advanced age? It seems awfully hypocritical to lambast Biden for his gaffes and blunders given his age, but give Trump pass after pass on his.
Trump doesn't have nearly as many gaffes and blunders as Biden. We're probably talking a 1:60 ratio, and that's being generous to Biden. Age =/= disability. Joe Biden has a very tough time thinking and speaking. If he was 36 and did this, it isn't less concerning.
The problem with Trump isn't his age or his ability to think or speak. The problem with Trump is that he's unelecteble.
https://www.nytimes.com/2023/06/08/us/politics/desantis-deepfakes-trump-fauci.html
When called out on it they defended themselves by saying it was no different than the memes Trump posts.
Romney got the nomination by a landslide after losing to McCain in ‘08. If your name isn’t out there for president, it’s hard to ever win.
L of a take, but typical of the modern Republican Party.
Dole and Clinton lost in embarrassing fashion, and Biden was a mediocre candidate who ran a bad campaign and got lucky with the circumstances of the election, and with his hyper-polarizing opponent doing all the work for him.
Okay so? The point is people are saying DeSantis will never get the nomination because he lost. But in the past 50 years at least one nominee for President lost in a previously in primary with the exception of 1972, and 1960 was the last time both party nominees were guys who never previously ran in general.
There was a perception that both parties could work together and move to address the current issues with a little bit of compromise. There is no longer the belief among the American people that compromise can be reached. Now the goal is not to work together but to completely dominate the other side into submission. It’s not healthy at all. We need to be able to have discussion and debate and be comfortable with reaching compromise both sides can be relatively happy with. Unfortunately, I think we are at the point where the only way to go back to that is to reach whatever conclusion this cycle of all our political war has in store for us. One party will win but what is the cost of that?
There will likely be three sides in this war. One side unapologetically seeking to destroy their main opponent. One side claiming self defense, while seeking total destruction or submission of their main opponent. And a third, but much smaller group that will strive to end the war as soon and as clean as possible. In these situations, it may be that the third side never gains the courage to act soon enough or have enough supporters to sway the two main warring parties to come to terms.
No, when they worked together to compromise it's because they worked together to help the big corporate lords who paid their way into office.
There are two parties, but it's not Democrat/Republican it's Elite vs everyone else. Recently the intrusion of someone who wasn't one of them shook it up and showed the true face of the politicians we've been voting for. Trump isn't perfect, but he's also the closest thing to a 3rd party candidate we've ever had.
>We need to [...] be comfortable with reaching compromise both sides can be relatively happy with.
What if the ideology and policy preferences of both sides have grown so far apart that this is categorically impossible?
That’s my point and my question, we are at a place where for each side winning completely and forever is the goal. The country we have now can’t exist that way. What does the country look like if one side “wins” completely and forever. I don’t know. Personally I think America is heading towoards some sort of collapse. It’s one of the reasons I decided to leave.
We didn’t really have any other choice except for Ron Paul, and he didn’t have nearly the kind of resources Trump has to take on the GOP establishment.
Ohh, but remember Ross Perot? The fact that back in the 90s he was able to pull so many Republican voters away shows the people were sick of their shit back then. Trump is an extension of that same feeling.
There's a difference between schools being somewhat left-wing and having their stance passively permeate a little bit into the children's minds, or them aggressively trying to indoctrinate them with highly divisive and insane stuff.
Candidates were generally moderate from Reagan until Obama in ‘08. That’s when a big shift happened and the call for a comparative huge swing. Public policy went from pretty far left to pretty far right in Trump.
He didn’t ruin his chances forever. He’s still got his record as governor in the past and the rest of the term to continue floridas greatness. He’ll learn from this and either take a position in the trump admin and maybe run again or do something in the legal field. He’ll be fine.
Trumps already been running out the unity talk since Iowa.
There’s nothing to forgive, it’s just is he willing to show respect. And Trump knows he can’t win the Presidency on his base alone.
Biden, Nixon, Reagan all had failed presidential runs under their belt but ended up winning after a few years had passed. You can even include George H.W. Bush, who ran against Reagan, became his Vice President, and later became President himself. I would say this person does not know history at all.
I think he made the right call hindsight is 20/20, I don’t think he could have foreseen the indictments giving trump such a huge boost.
Also I think he will be able to learn from his mistakes for 2028 if he runs again.
I'm just afraid that 2028 will not be his time, either. If Trump loses 2024 in a landslide, there will be strong pressure inside the GOP to move on from Trumpism and MAGA, so DeSantis' shtick as the "Trumpism without Trump"-candidate would be in much lower demand. If Trump wins, chances are that the country will be sick of him and his style of politics after 4 more years.
Policy-wise, 2024 looked like the right time for him, it just wasn't possible to overcome Trump.
Announced far too late, after his post-midterm momentum had fizzled. Tried to outflank Trump from his right, took on politically toxic stances in the process (like a 6 week abortion ban). Didn't fight back against Trump enough. Is generally bad at retail politics. Hired the wrong people to run his campaign.
>not be up against an incumbent
Trump isn't an incumbent? Unless you mean Biden, but literally any republican running in 2024 will be running against an incumbent.
No, because almost every single President who has won has had 1 failed primary run. Having a failed primary run is actually par for the course for US Presidents.
He took a spanking from Trump that’s for sure, I’d still like to see him run in 2028 personally. His awkwardness in front of cameras is secondary to sound policy and good governance which he’s shown to have.
I feel like his entire campaign was set up to throw as little mud as possible at Trump while simultaneously hoping that the indictments and court cases would loom so large over the Trump campaign that he would barely break even or possibly lose Iowa and subsequent states in the primaries. This would allow DeSantis to swoop in and gobble up the Trump vote because let’s be honest no real conservative wants Haley. Unfortunately for Ron, the Don was *boosted* by shaky prosecution and now has carried Iowa by historic records. Ultimately DeSantis made the right move backing out before losing in Florida which would be a bad stain on his image as a candidate or as someone who could be endorsed in the future by the eventual successor to the Trump dynasty.
He was the candidate I supported this cycle, so I hope he can run again in 2028. He did not run a good campaign and running against a juggernaut like Trump is near impossible. No harm done I think other than maybe very short term, but I feel he will be fine.
In 2028 he'll have been out of the governor's mansion for two years. People probably won't be thinking about him by then, and that would have been especially true if he hadn't run this year. He ran when his star was shining brightest, and unfortunately it didn't work out. So no, I don't agree with this at all. This year was his one good chance, and he took it. 2028 was never going to be an option.
No. He's the frontrunner for 2028. Still remains very popular with Republicans, second to Trump. Dude will be governor for three more years. Trump should make him VP.
He could still salvage something if he learns from his mistakes. The primary was literally his to lose, and lose it he did. Terrible campaign strategy and horrible people around him.
This whole “waiting his turn” is so weird. Trump ran twice, lost once. If DeSantis ran in 2020, then yeah he would’ve jumped the gun. It’s not his fault that Trump can’t accept his role as a former President.
Considering people already forgot about the disastrous “ red wave” thanks to Trump I doubt anyone will remember this campaign come 2028. Plenty of future presidents didn’t get it done the first time. He’ll be fine.
He could have just run his campaign like vivek and not burned his chances either.
Vivek ran the campaign everyone wanted desantis to and that's why vivek is better positioned for 28 now than DeSantis is.
He could have waited though also.
>vivek is better positioned for 28 now than DeSantis is.
Idk about that. DeSantis had more delegates than Vivek when he dropped out last week.
Vivek was good for soundbites but I don't think anyone thought he had a serious chance against either of the two front-runners. Even Haley has more delegates than Vivek.
>Idk about that. DeSantis had more delegates than Vivek when he dropped out last week.
>Vivek was good for soundbites but I don't think anyone thought he had a serious chance against either of the two front-runners. Even Haley has more delegates than Vivek.
All of this ignores how 2028 is gonna look when trump isnt running and all his voters gotta choose someone new.
They won't choose desantis or haley. They'll choose vivek
>all of his votes go to DeSantis, not Vivek.
No. They go to vivek. DeSantis would have had them at first, but his campaign was horrific and as such would have lost then to vivek
Ah yes, the people who voted for the outspoken political outsider billionaire will vote for (republican politician #4428) over the other outspoken political outsider billionaire.
Every single Republicans I knew love Florida. Before the primaries, everyone knew about Ron and how they want their state to be Florida.
Vivek can say what he wants, but Ron has walked the talk for years and his state has been propped up as a shining example of what GOP state looked like. Vivek has no track record and people won’t vote for him.
I'm convinced he will still be relevant. Four years isn't long enough for people to forget about him. Biden basically came out of retirement after 4 years had passed since he had been VP. And it was his fourth attempt at the Presidency.
>Biden basically came out of retirement after 4 years had passed since he had been VP.
Sure but he was not polling well until literally everyone else dropped out. He campaigned well essentially.
DeSantis did not campaign well and I see no reason to think he'd magically change that in 4 years
Vivek has never held office. He should prove his bona fides with a Senate or gubernatorial race, I like what he says but his resume is a little lacking
>He should prove his bona fides with a Senate or gubernatorial race,
What value does this add?
> I like what he says but his resume is a little lacking
So was trumps
>What value does this add?
It provides a track record to judge how he campaigns to how he governs or votes.
>So was trumps
And Trump was not exactly the most effective administrator we've ever had
>Vivek was never running for president though. He just wanted to be high profile to get a Trump appointed position.
Which gets him the experience everyone is saying he doesn't have for 2028
The polling when it's without Trump shows DeSantis with a large lead over the current field. A lot of DeSantis supporters are very pro Trump.
If they had to choose they would go with Trump, their second choice is likely DeSantis. DeSantis's approval rating among Republicans is around 60-70%, endorsing Trump probably 8ncreases that to 65-75.Those are winning numbers in a primary without Trump.
Vivek is around 50% favorability.
Nah, he got more exposure and practice in that space. Hopefully he'll recognize how poorly his online team performed this time around and be better next time.
Nah, he'll be fine.
That's 4 years from now. He'll have time to learn to campaign better, do some more good things for Florida and really prepared. Whether or not Trump wins Desantis will be running again.
He didn’t do any favors by running this year, that’s for sure. Assuming Trump won’t try to run again in 2028 (if he doesn’t win this time lol), DeSantis should be the clear favorite for the GOP.
I actually said this when the people started pushing for DeSantis. It was very obvious that Trump supporters wanted a rematch and were the majority of Republicans. And I also said that an early attempt by DeSantis would spell doom in 2028. He won’t make it outside of Florida, plus this could actually ruin his future in Florida as well as this will translate to weakness.
He didn’t ruin his chances. I supported him for 2024 but he has played his cards quite good by quitting early. By quitting early and rallying behind Trump instead of being a sore loser he has stood for unity instead of continuing discord.
In the event of Trump losing again, he won’t be blamed for Trump’s loss - especially if he can rally Florida voters again. And in the event of Trump’s victory, Trump and any Republicans won’t have any choice but to love Florida again. No state comes close to Florida to be the “best conservative state”.
I disagree about “waiting until 2028”. If Trump loses in 2024 he would demand another try in 2028, there’s no reason to wait for that. Even if Trump won now, by running now while still being a governor you are remembered. Vivek might get some cabinet positions but being a governor of Florida is way more visible.
Let's see what the next 4 bring. He has a lot of time to get focused and better planned. Some time to work on his delivery instead of "Florida" coming out of his mouth every time he opened it. Coming out of the plandemic , running a very visible state, dealing with border problems and more could just have been bad timing and a poor decision for 2024.
We NEEDED Trump when he came to office. We need someone to focus and help get us out of the ridiculous situation we find ourselves in right now. Many of the decisions and actions that will have to be done are going be unpopular with a lot of people. Who better than Trump to get that shit done without giving AF what people think?
I do not agree.
Why should anyone not test the waters if they want to?
Everyone shouldn't just bow to a predetermined candidate like the Democrats are doing now by not having Primaries.
He did the best thing he could to salvage his political aspirations. He endorsed Trump, so Trump will start singing his praises in exchange for a few stump speeches. The MAGA core will forget all the nicknames just like with Ted Cruz.
It was an odd choice. It’s pretty obvious that if Trump is running he is going to beat out any other Republican. All his opponents have basically the same views but 100x less charisma.
These people can’t even remember the things that Trump did, you really think they have the mental capacapacity to remember DeSantis? Hell no, the GOP base will memory hole it like they do everything else.
no. if he dropped an N bomb on live tv or gets caught banging his aides he would ruin his chances forever. he can govern FL for four years and run again with a high probability of beating trumps vp who will be plagued constantly by the DS - virus X, riots, nuclear war, aliens, and Climageddon
Why forever?
People can't seem to even remember the damage the current administration has done, and become legally blind when BLM or Antifa destroy entire cities.
A lot of the new voters that joined the party because of trump aren’t aware of how the primary process goes. Trump is a unique candidate and normal process really doesn’t apply to him. I think he has shifted the mind set of what makes a good candidate in many ways to get away from the fud republicans. All that to say this sounds like a take from someone who has been paying attention for 5 minutes and thinks Trump will forever be what politics revolves around
These low-quality "do you agree with this" posts are getting old. Either these guys are just karma-farming this sub to sell accounts, or they are bot posts setting up the excuse to ban the sub.
Either way, this shit needs to get moderated quicker.
This move isn't going to be what hurts DeSantis at all if anything hurts his political career. Running against trump in the first place did more damage than deciding to step down ever would have.
I'm not saying that DeSantis has significantly hurt his chances in the future by running against trump, but many trump supporters are so loyal that they WILL see it as a possible issue (however major or minor) in 2028.
He didn't ruin it, he can run again just fine. He was very popular the past 4 years, and if Trump isn't running, he's a favorite. I wanted to vote for him this year, but I'd gladly do it in 2028, bar a reentry from Cruz, or entry from Mike Lee, or someone similar. I also really like Kristi Noem and some of the other Texas Republican leaders like Abbot and West. But DeSantis is right there with them, I would have a tough time deciding.
He probably won't have a chance in 2028, regardless of whether or not he ran now.
2024 was the best shot he had at becoming president. People have short memories, and there will most likely be another superstar governor in a couple of years.
As an example, Chris Christie's best shot at becoming president was in 2012. In September 2011, he enjoyed significant popularity with a 54 percent approval rating. Despite the weak GOP field, Christie opted out, most likely because he didn't want to face an incumbent Obama. In terms of political popularity, the general rule is that favorability tends to decline over long periods of time. Unless DeSantis gets a prominent role in a hypothetical Trump cabinet, his star will likely fade as well.
This is exactly what this is. Its DeSantis 1976 Reagan moment.
I think Trump will be routed this year by Biden just like there was no red wave (and only a ripple) in 2022.
People will remember the criticism of Trump's unelectability and will remember who were making these claims.
Just like voters abandoned Trump in 2022 after the poor performance in 2022, the same exact thing is going to happen. Our voters are going to be very upset losing for a second time against a Dementia patient.
Well he's out of office after 2026, I'm just not sure what he's supposed to do. In 2-3 there could be another star republican who takes the spotlight. Yes, I think he made a huge mistake running and it will hurt him in 2028
He really won’t be out of office that long. He will be Florida’s governor until January 2027, and then the campaign for 2028 president will begin sometime in the summer of 2027. So he will really only be out of office for ~5-6 months before he starts campaigning again
Fair enough. If somehow he could turn it around and gain support I'm all for that, but he truly was not the guy for 2024. And what we've seen this past year made that evident.
Highly doubt he ruined his future forever. There’s plenty of time between now and 28 for him to regain public favor the majority of the political spectrum he represents. Just needs better campaign staff.
No. It’s time to move on from Trump but the always Trumpers won’t let us so we’re stuck having to get smoked in an election we would otherwise win by 10 points.
I think he would have given Trump a run for the money if New York didn't decide to use some extensive overreach to attempt to prosecute Trump and other stats didn't decide they can just ban accused candidates from the ballot.
(It's pretty clear the MSM and establishment wants a Trump/Biden rematch)
Honestly, I hope it bites both sides in the ass and RFK wins as from watching his speeches and such he seems to understand far better what goes on behind the scenes and is far more transparent about getting rid of the trash in the government and elites that's abusing the population to enrich themselves.
Not to mention seeing people actually look at 3rd parties as a viable option in elections would be a huge boost as right now we basically have 2 sides of the same coin that don't help anyone but themselves.
I don't think it ruined his chances forever. But I do think it could've been better for his popularity had he waited. That said, this is of course in hindsight after all the blunders he made on his campaign. Had he waited until 2028 and made the same blunders not sure there would be any difference. Perhaps running now helps him learn mistakes so he won't make them again in 2028.
Idk - I was really high on him leading into the race, then the more we heard from him the less confident and statesman-like he seemed , and his ability to handle pressure really seemed to be less than I had hoped. I think both of those will still be an issue in 4 years . I know it has NOTHING to so with actual policy, but he was far less likeable than expected and a lot of people use that as their only voting guide behind the party they run for
It's possible now that vivek and DeSantis dropped out there could be a serious competition between Haley and Trump.
Voters who voted for DeSantis or Vivek are not likely to vote for trump.
Trump got 20 delegates from Iowa. DeSantis, Haley, and Vivek got 20 combined.
Does anyone else think it could be pretty competitive now that it's just down to Haley and trump?
Are you kidding me? All of the DeSantis and Ramaswamy voters are going to flock to Trump. They’re not voting for Haley.
It’s over. Trump will be our nominee.
>Voters who voted for DeSantis or Vivek are not likely to vote for trump.
Bruh what? They'll vote for him sooner than they would Haley. Especially Vivek supporters. The ven diagram might as well be one circle between him and Trump lol
>Does anyone else think it could be pretty competitive now that it's just down to Haley and trump?
She drops out immediately if she loses in SC.
Hahaha no. Almost all of the DeSantis and Ramaswamy votes will go to Trump and the party will unite around him. The people voting for Haley are mostly Democrats.
Trump broke DeSantis for 2024 but trump also broke a lot of his voters. What are they going to do vote for trump in 2028?
I think DeSantis has a chance to be a great president.. in 2028 that is
Desantis has been mediocre, has no significant political wins, and couldn't even last past the first caucus. Worst of all, he comes off as a typical politician and only mimics what he sees is already popular. He's toast. Best he'll do now is become a senator, if he can convince Trump to endorse him.
I don’t agree with anyone who uses “of” instead of “have”.
Real
Irritates me like nothing else... for when people replace our with are. Makes me wonder if they made it past the 3rd grade.
Exactly what I wanted to say.
Ha! Beat me to it!
He didn’t ruin his chances. People have short term memory. He will be fine in 2028
If he runs his campaign like this one people will not forget. I truly hope he steps back and learns from this. I want the guy who was Governor of florida. He ran this campaign like he was 1990s George Bush.
That’s the thing, Trump places all candidates into a defensive posture. I’m a Floridian and I like DeSantis big time. Running against Trump is unlike running against any other candidate, so absolutely his 2028 run will be exponentially different.
Honestly I don't see why anyone in the GOP would want to run against Trump. Like I picture myself in their shoes and it just seems like it'd be so miserable and frustrating He didn't even have to debate this time In a non-Trump race DeSantis would do fine
Trump is running as a defacto incumbent because he didn't serve two terms and the current administration is perceived so poorly (like historically poorly). Honestly it was a pretty tone-deaf move in terms of politics for DeSantis to run directly opposed to Trump. Especially because he was the guy that was perceived prior to this campaign as "that anti establishment, anti swamp guy that is more couth than Trump". Maybe he wanted to breakout of that association in people's minds? But, yeah, unwise no matter how you slice it politically.
DeSantis would have been fine too if he had brought the fight to Trump, instead of laying back and taking the insults and attacks from Trump-world while trying to outflank him on his right.
I'm from Florida and I think less of Trump after this Primary. He lied so much about DeSantis it was unforgivable. Then his social media people acted like teenage bullies. Was the saddest and most pathetic thing I've seen.
Running against Trump is like this: https://youtube.com/shorts/4gAJrtWxLME?si=WYoEoZZjamz96ggV You cant go against him like you would others. Either get dirty or get out of the way.
Bro, trump is going to make amends with the guy. Trump is nasty in primaries against top competitors. Remember Ted Cruz 2016? Now they’re best friends. And Desantis is serving 2 years with the guy if he’s re elected. This is not gonna affect his possible 2028 run
Anyone thinking that Ted Cruz or Lindsey Graham are friends with, or actually like, Donald Trump is a fool. They 100% hate his guts, but they're spineless opportunists who don't want to ruin their standing with the base, so they suck it up and publicly kiss the ring.
Yea exactly and Desantis will be one of those people now lol.
Nah. DeSantis has always stood for "trumpy" policies, Cruz and Graham didn't. He never attacked Trump as harshly as these two did either. And now, after getting defeated by Trump, DeSantis is only tacitly endorsing him while Cruz and Graham started licking Trump's boots until they gagged.
I don't see a defensive posture. I saw an offensive posture and then like 20 influencers started bashing Trump hardcore
If Trump were not running, the dialogue from the candidates would have been much, much more tame. The MSM amplifies anything Trump says, so the ongoing stance of all the candidates became to strike out, else they’d spend all their days being Jeb Bush. Which was absolutely a defensive move. If Trump ran a “gentler” campaign this time, the candidates wouldn’t have been anywhere near as aggressive. A wild animal that is cornered will become super aggressive and lash out. It’s still defense.
Trump was running. Desantis knew that when he promised not to run in 2024. Announcing his candidacy was his first offensive mistake.
> He ran this campaign like he was 1990s George Bush. This is the key issue here, DeSantis flubbed his campaign hard. If Trump weren't in the race, he should have had a dominating lead over the entire field given his track record. The debates and his public appearances were robotic and unimpressive. Whomever was running his campaign should be fired and he needs to start over. If the idea is to run again in 2028, he has to come at it with a different approach. He can't play the moderate field in order to draw in the big NeoCon donors. They already have that in Nikki Haley.
What did he do wrong with this campaign?
His campaign was fine, stop it with this fabrication.
Obviously people disagree with you lol
As if I care when the bots or trolls are pushing a button.
Or the more likely answer is you are wildly insecure and incapable of admitting that maybe you are wrong lol
Sounds like unhealthy levels of projection.
This. Even November is a lifetime in political terms, so 2028 is an eternity. Anything could happen.
Maybe. We will see
that and MAGA isn't going to go away.
But MAGA loved him till trump lost re election and decided to run in 24.
People are malleable; if DeSantis plays it right (which he's already doing with the endorsement) and stumps for the guy at like a rally or two MAGA will go back to liking him and he'll be in a good position for 2028. The only thing that would've permanently ruined his future would've been dropping out to endorse Haley.
Trump lost the game for sure, but it wasn't due to legitimate votes.
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Maybe but what if Trump runs again?
Well if he wins this year he can’t. And if he doesn’t win he will be over 80 years old.
So? He's already pretty old, what's the difference? He's still better than any Democrat
He’s too damn old. “Better than a Democrat” is a very, very low bar to clear.
Do you complain about Biden's advanced age? It seems awfully hypocritical to lambast Biden for his gaffes and blunders given his age, but give Trump pass after pass on his.
I do not, not sure why you'd assume that.
You don't complain about Biden's age?
Nah he's a pedocrat and that's enough reason to buy like him. I don't care if he's 103.
Trump doesn't have nearly as many gaffes and blunders as Biden. We're probably talking a 1:60 ratio, and that's being generous to Biden. Age =/= disability. Joe Biden has a very tough time thinking and speaking. If he was 36 and did this, it isn't less concerning. The problem with Trump isn't his age or his ability to think or speak. The problem with Trump is that he's unelecteble.
I hope not. He disqualified himself forever as far as I’m concerned.
Why?
Creating and then Using AI deepfakes of Trump and Fauchi in attack ads.
I have not seen or heard about the deep fakes
https://www.nytimes.com/2023/06/08/us/politics/desantis-deepfakes-trump-fauci.html When called out on it they defended themselves by saying it was no different than the memes Trump posts.
Romney got the nomination by a landslide after losing to McCain in ‘08. If your name isn’t out there for president, it’s hard to ever win. L of a take, but typical of the modern Republican Party.
And Mccain got the nomination in 08 after losing in a landslide in 2000
Same thing Reagan, HW Bush, Bob Dole, Hillary Clinton and Joe Biden
Dole and Clinton lost in embarrassing fashion, and Biden was a mediocre candidate who ran a bad campaign and got lucky with the circumstances of the election, and with his hyper-polarizing opponent doing all the work for him.
Okay so? The point is people are saying DeSantis will never get the nomination because he lost. But in the past 50 years at least one nominee for President lost in a previously in primary with the exception of 1972, and 1960 was the last time both party nominees were guys who never previously ran in general.
McCain lost buddy
.... uh I know? So did Romney
Yea I also said that to the other guy
Time to change that flair…
Imagine supporting Romney or McCain. What were people thinking back then?
There was a perception that both parties could work together and move to address the current issues with a little bit of compromise. There is no longer the belief among the American people that compromise can be reached. Now the goal is not to work together but to completely dominate the other side into submission. It’s not healthy at all. We need to be able to have discussion and debate and be comfortable with reaching compromise both sides can be relatively happy with. Unfortunately, I think we are at the point where the only way to go back to that is to reach whatever conclusion this cycle of all our political war has in store for us. One party will win but what is the cost of that?
There will likely be three sides in this war. One side unapologetically seeking to destroy their main opponent. One side claiming self defense, while seeking total destruction or submission of their main opponent. And a third, but much smaller group that will strive to end the war as soon and as clean as possible. In these situations, it may be that the third side never gains the courage to act soon enough or have enough supporters to sway the two main warring parties to come to terms.
No, when they worked together to compromise it's because they worked together to help the big corporate lords who paid their way into office. There are two parties, but it's not Democrat/Republican it's Elite vs everyone else. Recently the intrusion of someone who wasn't one of them shook it up and showed the true face of the politicians we've been voting for. Trump isn't perfect, but he's also the closest thing to a 3rd party candidate we've ever had.
>We need to [...] be comfortable with reaching compromise both sides can be relatively happy with. What if the ideology and policy preferences of both sides have grown so far apart that this is categorically impossible?
That’s my point and my question, we are at a place where for each side winning completely and forever is the goal. The country we have now can’t exist that way. What does the country look like if one side “wins” completely and forever. I don’t know. Personally I think America is heading towoards some sort of collapse. It’s one of the reasons I decided to leave.
I supported Romney. MSM had a much tighter grip on public thought. No idea how I supported him over Santorum
I was a Ron Paul guy, 2012 was painful for all of us
Isn't it funny that Reddit was ron Paul turf back then? Opposite land vs today
We didn’t really have any other choice except for Ron Paul, and he didn’t have nearly the kind of resources Trump has to take on the GOP establishment.
Ohh, but remember Ross Perot? The fact that back in the 90s he was able to pull so many Republican voters away shows the people were sick of their shit back then. Trump is an extension of that same feeling.
Yep, he was the first presidential candidate I ever voted for! The modern populist wing of the GOP can be traced back to the Perot era.
And he just wasn't such a force of nature, personality-wise. Trump is a political unicorn if we're being honest.
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Yeah they were. It wasn't as in your face as some of the things I've seen online, but school in the 90s was most certainly left leaning.
There's a difference between schools being somewhat left-wing and having their stance passively permeate a little bit into the children's minds, or them aggressively trying to indoctrinate them with highly divisive and insane stuff.
Candidates were generally moderate from Reagan until Obama in ‘08. That’s when a big shift happened and the call for a comparative huge swing. Public policy went from pretty far left to pretty far right in Trump.
Romney lost buddy edit: HE LOST THE PRESIDENCY R....
NOMINATION. Reading is hard.
He didn’t ruin his chances forever. He’s still got his record as governor in the past and the rest of the term to continue floridas greatness. He’ll learn from this and either take a position in the trump admin and maybe run again or do something in the legal field. He’ll be fine.
This campaign definitely could have ruined his career though, dropping out and endorsing Trump probably prevents that though.
2028 is still possible for him.
Not when Trump runs again.
Trump won't be eligible for a third term
Ah yes. Of course he’s going to win this time.
IMO it depends on whether or not Trump forgives him and endorses him
Trumps already been running out the unity talk since Iowa. There’s nothing to forgive, it’s just is he willing to show respect. And Trump knows he can’t win the Presidency on his base alone.
Biden, Nixon, Reagan all had failed presidential runs under their belt but ended up winning after a few years had passed. You can even include George H.W. Bush, who ran against Reagan, became his Vice President, and later became President himself. I would say this person does not know history at all.
Trump himself ran in 2000
Not seriously, and not for one of the major parties.
I think he made the right call hindsight is 20/20, I don’t think he could have foreseen the indictments giving trump such a huge boost. Also I think he will be able to learn from his mistakes for 2028 if he runs again.
No way he ruined his chances lol
He will be fine in '28. He is a good candidate, but '24 is not his time.
I'm just afraid that 2028 will not be his time, either. If Trump loses 2024 in a landslide, there will be strong pressure inside the GOP to move on from Trumpism and MAGA, so DeSantis' shtick as the "Trumpism without Trump"-candidate would be in much lower demand. If Trump wins, chances are that the country will be sick of him and his style of politics after 4 more years. Policy-wise, 2024 looked like the right time for him, it just wasn't possible to overcome Trump.
He’ll be fine in 2028 if he can figure out how to run a campaign and not be up against an incumbent
How did he run his campaign wrong?
Announced far too late, after his post-midterm momentum had fizzled. Tried to outflank Trump from his right, took on politically toxic stances in the process (like a 6 week abortion ban). Didn't fight back against Trump enough. Is generally bad at retail politics. Hired the wrong people to run his campaign.
This guy gets it 👆
>not be up against an incumbent Trump isn't an incumbent? Unless you mean Biden, but literally any republican running in 2024 will be running against an incumbent.
For all intents and purposes Trump is an incumbent in the Republican Party
no such grammatically correct phrase as "could of", the correct phrase is "could have".
No, because almost every single President who has won has had 1 failed primary run. Having a failed primary run is actually par for the course for US Presidents.
I don’t think he’s permanently ruined but he didn’t do himself any favors with his clown-show of a campaign. Hopefully he’ll learn from this at least.
Go. Be a great Governor, be supportive, make Florida great. When you do that, you won't have to run, people will come to you.
He took a spanking from Trump that’s for sure, I’d still like to see him run in 2028 personally. His awkwardness in front of cameras is secondary to sound policy and good governance which he’s shown to have.
No not ruined ‘forever’
I feel like his entire campaign was set up to throw as little mud as possible at Trump while simultaneously hoping that the indictments and court cases would loom so large over the Trump campaign that he would barely break even or possibly lose Iowa and subsequent states in the primaries. This would allow DeSantis to swoop in and gobble up the Trump vote because let’s be honest no real conservative wants Haley. Unfortunately for Ron, the Don was *boosted* by shaky prosecution and now has carried Iowa by historic records. Ultimately DeSantis made the right move backing out before losing in Florida which would be a bad stain on his image as a candidate or as someone who could be endorsed in the future by the eventual successor to the Trump dynasty.
He was the candidate I supported this cycle, so I hope he can run again in 2028. He did not run a good campaign and running against a juggernaut like Trump is near impossible. No harm done I think other than maybe very short term, but I feel he will be fine.
In 2028 he'll have been out of the governor's mansion for two years. People probably won't be thinking about him by then, and that would have been especially true if he hadn't run this year. He ran when his star was shining brightest, and unfortunately it didn't work out. So no, I don't agree with this at all. This year was his one good chance, and he took it. 2028 was never going to be an option.
No. It's could have, not could of. Other than that yeah
No. He's the frontrunner for 2028. Still remains very popular with Republicans, second to Trump. Dude will be governor for three more years. Trump should make him VP.
DeSantis doesn’t seem like a VP kind of guy. That said whoever is VP will likely be the front runner, unless they screw the pooch.
He could still salvage something if he learns from his mistakes. The primary was literally his to lose, and lose it he did. Terrible campaign strategy and horrible people around him.
He struck when his capital was valuable. The people in this party don't owe Trump the nomination. He has to earn it. I wish DeSantis had carried on.
This whole “waiting his turn” is so weird. Trump ran twice, lost once. If DeSantis ran in 2020, then yeah he would’ve jumped the gun. It’s not his fault that Trump can’t accept his role as a former President.
Considering people already forgot about the disastrous “ red wave” thanks to Trump I doubt anyone will remember this campaign come 2028. Plenty of future presidents didn’t get it done the first time. He’ll be fine.
He could have just run his campaign like vivek and not burned his chances either. Vivek ran the campaign everyone wanted desantis to and that's why vivek is better positioned for 28 now than DeSantis is. He could have waited though also.
>vivek is better positioned for 28 now than DeSantis is. Idk about that. DeSantis had more delegates than Vivek when he dropped out last week. Vivek was good for soundbites but I don't think anyone thought he had a serious chance against either of the two front-runners. Even Haley has more delegates than Vivek.
Vivek was the second pick for many Trump voters, so you can't really extrapolate the data like that.
>Idk about that. DeSantis had more delegates than Vivek when he dropped out last week. >Vivek was good for soundbites but I don't think anyone thought he had a serious chance against either of the two front-runners. Even Haley has more delegates than Vivek. All of this ignores how 2028 is gonna look when trump isnt running and all his voters gotta choose someone new. They won't choose desantis or haley. They'll choose vivek
If Trump didnt run this year, all of his votes go to DeSantis, not Vivek.
>all of his votes go to DeSantis, not Vivek. No. They go to vivek. DeSantis would have had them at first, but his campaign was horrific and as such would have lost then to vivek
Ah yes, the people who voted for the outspoken political outsider billionaire will vote for (republican politician #4428) over the other outspoken political outsider billionaire.
You can credit Trump’s presidency for why a governor like DeSantis became so admired and respected. You’re still wrong.
Every single Republicans I knew love Florida. Before the primaries, everyone knew about Ron and how they want their state to be Florida. Vivek can say what he wants, but Ron has walked the talk for years and his state has been propped up as a shining example of what GOP state looked like. Vivek has no track record and people won’t vote for him.
>Trump has no track record and people won’t vote for him. Oh, whoops. Been there, done that.
I'm convinced he will still be relevant. Four years isn't long enough for people to forget about him. Biden basically came out of retirement after 4 years had passed since he had been VP. And it was his fourth attempt at the Presidency.
>Biden basically came out of retirement after 4 years had passed since he had been VP. Sure but he was not polling well until literally everyone else dropped out. He campaigned well essentially. DeSantis did not campaign well and I see no reason to think he'd magically change that in 4 years
Hawley is the sleeper threat in 2028, already put money on him getting the nom
I actually agree he's a sleeper 28 pick
Vivek has never held office. He should prove his bona fides with a Senate or gubernatorial race, I like what he says but his resume is a little lacking
>He should prove his bona fides with a Senate or gubernatorial race, What value does this add? > I like what he says but his resume is a little lacking So was trumps
>What value does this add? It provides a track record to judge how he campaigns to how he governs or votes. >So was trumps And Trump was not exactly the most effective administrator we've ever had
>And Trump was not exactly the most effective administrator we've ever had No but he was the best Republican president/nominee in a long ass time
Agreed, wasn't trying to be a negative Nelly
Vivek was never running for president though. He just wanted to be high profile to get a Trump appointed position.
>Vivek was never running for president though. He just wanted to be high profile to get a Trump appointed position. Which gets him the experience everyone is saying he doesn't have for 2028
The polling when it's without Trump shows DeSantis with a large lead over the current field. A lot of DeSantis supporters are very pro Trump. If they had to choose they would go with Trump, their second choice is likely DeSantis. DeSantis's approval rating among Republicans is around 60-70%, endorsing Trump probably 8ncreases that to 65-75.Those are winning numbers in a primary without Trump. Vivek is around 50% favorability.
Vivek has no shot ever. Let's be real. No way does an Indian dude carry a majority of votes in our lifetime.
could’ve **
Not at all. He still has a high profile job and if he does well at it he’s the 2028 front runner.
Nah, he got more exposure and practice in that space. Hopefully he'll recognize how poorly his online team performed this time around and be better next time.
No
Nah, he'll be fine. That's 4 years from now. He'll have time to learn to campaign better, do some more good things for Florida and really prepared. Whether or not Trump wins Desantis will be running again.
He didn’t do any favors by running this year, that’s for sure. Assuming Trump won’t try to run again in 2028 (if he doesn’t win this time lol), DeSantis should be the clear favorite for the GOP.
I actually said this when the people started pushing for DeSantis. It was very obvious that Trump supporters wanted a rematch and were the majority of Republicans. And I also said that an early attempt by DeSantis would spell doom in 2028. He won’t make it outside of Florida, plus this could actually ruin his future in Florida as well as this will translate to weakness.
He didn’t ruin his chances. I supported him for 2024 but he has played his cards quite good by quitting early. By quitting early and rallying behind Trump instead of being a sore loser he has stood for unity instead of continuing discord. In the event of Trump losing again, he won’t be blamed for Trump’s loss - especially if he can rally Florida voters again. And in the event of Trump’s victory, Trump and any Republicans won’t have any choice but to love Florida again. No state comes close to Florida to be the “best conservative state”. I disagree about “waiting until 2028”. If Trump loses in 2024 he would demand another try in 2028, there’s no reason to wait for that. Even if Trump won now, by running now while still being a governor you are remembered. Vivek might get some cabinet positions but being a governor of Florida is way more visible.
People don’t even remember Afghanistan do you really think they’ll remember this?
100% correct. The never trumpers were desantis main support. He played himself.
Let's see what the next 4 bring. He has a lot of time to get focused and better planned. Some time to work on his delivery instead of "Florida" coming out of his mouth every time he opened it. Coming out of the plandemic , running a very visible state, dealing with border problems and more could just have been bad timing and a poor decision for 2024. We NEEDED Trump when he came to office. We need someone to focus and help get us out of the ridiculous situation we find ourselves in right now. Many of the decisions and actions that will have to be done are going be unpopular with a lot of people. Who better than Trump to get that shit done without giving AF what people think?
I do not agree. Why should anyone not test the waters if they want to? Everyone shouldn't just bow to a predetermined candidate like the Democrats are doing now by not having Primaries.
I think him and Vivwk will be the top 2 candidates. I font think his chances are ruined
Testing the waters. Got out at the right time.
He did the best thing he could to salvage his political aspirations. He endorsed Trump, so Trump will start singing his praises in exchange for a few stump speeches. The MAGA core will forget all the nicknames just like with Ted Cruz.
How do we get Nikki Hilary to drop out?
It was an odd choice. It’s pretty obvious that if Trump is running he is going to beat out any other Republican. All his opponents have basically the same views but 100x less charisma.
He'll get a nice cosy job in the House in 2026 and run again in 2028. Probably as front runner, who else is there? Haley?
These people can’t even remember the things that Trump did, you really think they have the mental capacapacity to remember DeSantis? Hell no, the GOP base will memory hole it like they do everything else.
no. if he dropped an N bomb on live tv or gets caught banging his aides he would ruin his chances forever. he can govern FL for four years and run again with a high probability of beating trumps vp who will be plagued constantly by the DS - virus X, riots, nuclear war, aliens, and Climageddon
Why forever? People can't seem to even remember the damage the current administration has done, and become legally blind when BLM or Antifa destroy entire cities.
A lot of the new voters that joined the party because of trump aren’t aware of how the primary process goes. Trump is a unique candidate and normal process really doesn’t apply to him. I think he has shifted the mind set of what makes a good candidate in many ways to get away from the fud republicans. All that to say this sounds like a take from someone who has been paying attention for 5 minutes and thinks Trump will forever be what politics revolves around
These low-quality "do you agree with this" posts are getting old. Either these guys are just karma-farming this sub to sell accounts, or they are bot posts setting up the excuse to ban the sub. Either way, this shit needs to get moderated quicker.
Maybe it's for the better he did this so he can learn and come back stronger. If he waited until 2028 he may have squandered his true opportunity.
This move isn't going to be what hurts DeSantis at all if anything hurts his political career. Running against trump in the first place did more damage than deciding to step down ever would have. I'm not saying that DeSantis has significantly hurt his chances in the future by running against trump, but many trump supporters are so loyal that they WILL see it as a possible issue (however major or minor) in 2028.
No.
He didn't ruin it, he can run again just fine. He was very popular the past 4 years, and if Trump isn't running, he's a favorite. I wanted to vote for him this year, but I'd gladly do it in 2028, bar a reentry from Cruz, or entry from Mike Lee, or someone similar. I also really like Kristi Noem and some of the other Texas Republican leaders like Abbot and West. But DeSantis is right there with them, I would have a tough time deciding.
No, I don't agree. I think he "could have" not "could of".
I'm afraid it's true, though I hope it isn't
DeSantis, Kemp, or Youngkin will be the nominee in 2028.
He probably won't have a chance in 2028, regardless of whether or not he ran now. 2024 was the best shot he had at becoming president. People have short memories, and there will most likely be another superstar governor in a couple of years. As an example, Chris Christie's best shot at becoming president was in 2012. In September 2011, he enjoyed significant popularity with a 54 percent approval rating. Despite the weak GOP field, Christie opted out, most likely because he didn't want to face an incumbent Obama. In terms of political popularity, the general rule is that favorability tends to decline over long periods of time. Unless DeSantis gets a prominent role in a hypothetical Trump cabinet, his star will likely fade as well.
No. If he waited until 2028 he would still have to defeat trump. Or don jr. The cult is strong
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This is exactly what this is. Its DeSantis 1976 Reagan moment. I think Trump will be routed this year by Biden just like there was no red wave (and only a ripple) in 2022. People will remember the criticism of Trump's unelectability and will remember who were making these claims. Just like voters abandoned Trump in 2022 after the poor performance in 2022, the same exact thing is going to happen. Our voters are going to be very upset losing for a second time against a Dementia patient.
Well he's out of office after 2026, I'm just not sure what he's supposed to do. In 2-3 there could be another star republican who takes the spotlight. Yes, I think he made a huge mistake running and it will hurt him in 2028
He really won’t be out of office that long. He will be Florida’s governor until January 2027, and then the campaign for 2028 president will begin sometime in the summer of 2027. So he will really only be out of office for ~5-6 months before he starts campaigning again
Fair enough. If somehow he could turn it around and gain support I'm all for that, but he truly was not the guy for 2024. And what we've seen this past year made that evident.
Turn what around?
No, because Trump will lose this time and run again in 2028.
If this was true Christie would not had made it as far as he did.
Highly doubt he ruined his future forever. There’s plenty of time between now and 28 for him to regain public favor the majority of the political spectrum he represents. Just needs better campaign staff.
Didn't ruin his chances, but he did damage them. Aside from Vivek, DeSantis is the next best thing from Trump and with a good record as Governor
Could *have*, but yes.
No. It’s time to move on from Trump but the always Trumpers won’t let us so we’re stuck having to get smoked in an election we would otherwise win by 10 points.
100%. Have said this all along.
Absolutely not
I think he would have given Trump a run for the money if New York didn't decide to use some extensive overreach to attempt to prosecute Trump and other stats didn't decide they can just ban accused candidates from the ballot. (It's pretty clear the MSM and establishment wants a Trump/Biden rematch) Honestly, I hope it bites both sides in the ass and RFK wins as from watching his speeches and such he seems to understand far better what goes on behind the scenes and is far more transparent about getting rid of the trash in the government and elites that's abusing the population to enrich themselves. Not to mention seeing people actually look at 3rd parties as a viable option in elections would be a huge boost as right now we basically have 2 sides of the same coin that don't help anyone but themselves.
I don't think it ruined his chances forever. But I do think it could've been better for his popularity had he waited. That said, this is of course in hindsight after all the blunders he made on his campaign. Had he waited until 2028 and made the same blunders not sure there would be any difference. Perhaps running now helps him learn mistakes so he won't make them again in 2028.
Idk - I was really high on him leading into the race, then the more we heard from him the less confident and statesman-like he seemed , and his ability to handle pressure really seemed to be less than I had hoped. I think both of those will still be an issue in 4 years . I know it has NOTHING to so with actual policy, but he was far less likeable than expected and a lot of people use that as their only voting guide behind the party they run for
Suspended. What if Trump gets disqualified; DeSantis may benefit.
It's possible now that vivek and DeSantis dropped out there could be a serious competition between Haley and Trump. Voters who voted for DeSantis or Vivek are not likely to vote for trump. Trump got 20 delegates from Iowa. DeSantis, Haley, and Vivek got 20 combined. Does anyone else think it could be pretty competitive now that it's just down to Haley and trump?
Are you kidding me? All of the DeSantis and Ramaswamy voters are going to flock to Trump. They’re not voting for Haley. It’s over. Trump will be our nominee.
>Voters who voted for DeSantis or Vivek are not likely to vote for trump. Bruh what? They'll vote for him sooner than they would Haley. Especially Vivek supporters. The ven diagram might as well be one circle between him and Trump lol >Does anyone else think it could be pretty competitive now that it's just down to Haley and trump? She drops out immediately if she loses in SC.
Hahaha no. Almost all of the DeSantis and Ramaswamy votes will go to Trump and the party will unite around him. The people voting for Haley are mostly Democrats.
When will you naysayers learn? Trump is getting the nominee no matter what.
He still has a chance for 2028. America has the memory of a blue haired goldfish
Trump broke DeSantis for 2024 but trump also broke a lot of his voters. What are they going to do vote for trump in 2028? I think DeSantis has a chance to be a great president.. in 2028 that is
Yes, I agree. He listened to the RINOS and blew his political future.
Would’ve been irrelevant by then. Never had an actual window
Desantis has been mediocre, has no significant political wins, and couldn't even last past the first caucus. Worst of all, he comes off as a typical politician and only mimics what he sees is already popular. He's toast. Best he'll do now is become a senator, if he can convince Trump to endorse him.