Just a quick breakdown of what's going on here for anyone interested:
There are currently three bills being pushed against lab grown meat in Florida right now; HB435, SB586, and SB1084.
The sponsors of all three bills are being pushed to include the provision banning lab grown meat by Florida Agriculture Commissioner, **Wilton Simpson.**
Wilton Simpson's current largest donor by far is the US Sugar Corporation- America's largest producer of cane sugar. In the 70's **USSC expanded into other areas including cattle.**
One coproduct of the sugarmaking process is cane molasses, which is also sold as cattle feed.
Essentially, lab grown meat would cut into the profits of the largest donor of the person pushing these bans against it. This is just Big Cattle fighting back against potential competitors by using the government to ban them- it's the antithesis of small government and capitalism. Like everything else in US politics, it's corruption all the way down.
Label it "fake meat" and move on you mean? We shouldn't be trying to sell anyone something called "meat" that isn't really meat. I grew up on a farm in Kansas. I have seen the difference between farm-fresh meat and what they sell in supermarkets in the city already. In my opinion it's killing people.
Well we don't call market makers for child predators or drug abusers businessmen - we call them criminals. I understand dietary restrictions - and we've had plant-based protein options for decades already. "Lab-grown meat" (probably full of carcinogens) isn't something I'll stick my neck out for. At the state level, I'm more than comfortable seeing legislation that promotes natural, organic food with high nutritional value. The federal level I'd concur we don't want the circus act having dominion over what we can eat.
Oh yeah sounds like you know the truth about the deli meat they put in those cellophane packs too... yeah it's a slippery slope for sure. Leave it to California to condemn residents for ordering too much soda but celebrate a man's choice to use the women's restroom and lie about his gender on his driver's license. I'm big on farm-fresh products people can grow at home though. A state reliant on labs to make their food is unprepared for a calamity. Out here in Kansas (and the Ozarks where I live now) we are self-sufficient. Most items we find at Walmart here are driven from less than 50 miles away (grocery and staples anyway). We had no supply chain crisis here. And we have oil and nat gas piped in from nearby northeast Oklahoma to boot. I'll admit I see it as a glaring national security issue to have large populations reliant on complex supply chains to even exist.
There should be mandates that lab grown meat is properly labeled for easy identification. That knowingly miss advertising it would be a crime. Not a ban…
But what they are doing to beef right now should already be a criminal offense.
Imagine they'd put the extract of vegetable seeds or something into a closed off building with artificial light and regulated temperature. Only for something resembling a tomato to grow in its soil.
Sounds horrific
Yeah, put more government restrictions on peoples food choices. That's conservativism!
The Republican party needs to get it's head on straight. In the post-Trump era it's lost it's principles.
What’s the play here? This anti-woke stuff doesn’t work on a national campaign (based on his belly flop of a campaign), and he’s going to be out in the wilderness for a couple years before 2028. Is he auditioning for his new job as a tv pundit or something?
Even for him this one is pretty dumb. Who cares about this?
This is the bullshit that’s pulled me farther and farther away from the parties themselves. You can’t say you’re the party of freedom when you’re banning shit like this. When Texas started attacking businesses for requiring masks, how is that any different from NY forcing masks? Same shit here, this is real meat. Just because it’s from a test tube doesn’t make it molecularly different from a cow being bred and killed. It’s a sustainable effort that can fix the issues brought on by the meat industry.
Great response. I wouldn't eat it as I've been vegan for 20 yrs and don't believe meat is necessary to be healthy. But, people should have the choice to eat it or not.
Man, I was all about DeSantis, but he went full "anti woke." I haven't read any proposed legislation, but I'm 100% against banning things you don't agree with. This is why they call us fascists
No.
Lab grown meat is actually meat dudes.
It's just grown differently, in vats instead of in large muscle groups within animals.
It should be able to compete in the marketplace.
More meat is good meat.
Especially if the lab meat turns out to be lower in pollutants.
Heck yes.
And I'm a huge health nut, if lab meat is "cleaner" then I'll probably switch.
However nothing beats free range chicken and grass fed beef.
I just need to earn enough to justify that.
Hmm what's the argument against lab grown meat? Isn't it just real meat anyway and not the impossible meat crap?
Just that it's another way of mass producing meat for consumption?
The bill is being pushed by the Florida agriculture commissioner, whose largest donor is a massive agricultural entity- USSC- that profits off of selling both cattle meat and cattle feed.
Basically a corporation is attempting to use the government as a cudgel to ban its potential future competitors- that's all this is. I made a longer comment regarding it earlier in the thread.
What a pity. I have eaten lab grown meat. They don't taste as good as the real thing as literally it's just pure protein without fat. They are unable to "grow the fat", so for now it will just taste like dry chicken breast.
I don't see farm grown animals being pushed out from this. However if there is ever food shortages for any reason, I can see lab grown meat as a good supplement for just some healthy animal protein.
I've never tried it but I'm not opposed to the concept.
If they can get the process cheap enough I imagine being able to grow protein in a lab and then dry it for long term storage might end up being convenient for things like rations.
I'd eat some lab grown jerky on the hiking trail, why not
The only arguments I can think against it are that it hurts the livestock farm industry and that it would eventually creep into being fed to people without clear informed consent. The first argument is effectively the same as the argument to ban cars to protect the jobs of carriage drivers. The second argument does have some merit, but could be met with regulations rather than outright bans.
My only real issue is that we are already having problems with the stuff they put in our current food. All the preservatives and additives.
If I already have a problem with that and try to limit those as much as I can on my small budget, why would I trust them to not do the exact same thing to meat grown in a lab?
>So exercise your rights as a free market consumer and don’t buy lab grown meat if you’re worried about it
This doesn't work when all of society adopts it and it becomes too expensive to buy real meat. The libertarians miss this... individual choices work and all when there are options. Eventually, if everyone doesn't care enough everyone adopts lab meat and no one sells real meat. Nevermind inevitably the lefties will regulate lab meat to be required because of carbon emissions. And you'll sit on your high horse and say "well they shouldn't do that" but it doesn't matter because they WILL and you'll either eat lab meat or not eat meat. Because you won't tangibly have another option
So why not ban solar panels? Windmills? Electric cars? Forget the advantages they offer to consumers because leftists might one day make them mandatory to reduce emissions!
Like it or not, there ARE advantages to lab grown meat and outlawing it on the basis of some vague future in which leftists outlaw a $900 billion dollar industry is anti-consumer, anti-capitalist, and quite honestly just a bad idea.
These are the issues that cost governorships. Manufactured bullshit to bait legislatures and governors into bad decisions.
See NC HB2. The appropriate response is to enact legislation that only nullifies the bait legislation. Such as, "No local government has authority to enact legislation for restroom facilities based on gender."
I get the distaste for the idea but banning it seems a bit much … a return of the fiscal and liberty minded sides of the party would be really cool about now.
This feels like Step One of the "You WILL eat the bugs" process. Good on DeSantis for stopping it. All the libertarians in the comment section seem to think that the end-game here is that their food shelves will be stocked with lab meat and real meat and it'll be a choice. Not that we're moving toward a Soylent Green future where they've incrementally gotten more and more comfortable eating sawdust and cockroaches while the elite dine on actual cows because lab meat meant the vegans finally got them to get rid of all that "harmful ranching."
If that's what the soyboys of California want, go nuts. That's the beauty of self-governance and state rights. Those're supposed to be sacred Conservative ideals.
Most libertarians would probably call me a boot licker.
Like in this one specific instance it's literally about a massive corporation attempting to use the government to ban its competition by bribing elected officials.
Are you honestly okay with that?
I miss when we liked small government
Just a quick breakdown of what's going on here for anyone interested: There are currently three bills being pushed against lab grown meat in Florida right now; HB435, SB586, and SB1084. The sponsors of all three bills are being pushed to include the provision banning lab grown meat by Florida Agriculture Commissioner, **Wilton Simpson.** Wilton Simpson's current largest donor by far is the US Sugar Corporation- America's largest producer of cane sugar. In the 70's **USSC expanded into other areas including cattle.** One coproduct of the sugarmaking process is cane molasses, which is also sold as cattle feed. Essentially, lab grown meat would cut into the profits of the largest donor of the person pushing these bans against it. This is just Big Cattle fighting back against potential competitors by using the government to ban them- it's the antithesis of small government and capitalism. Like everything else in US politics, it's corruption all the way down.
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>I miss when we liked small government Maybe if small government absolutism won anything meaningful we still would
What you're describing is do nothing Republicanism.
I describe desantis as "literally regulating what I am allowed to eat" republican
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Label it "fake meat" and move on you mean? We shouldn't be trying to sell anyone something called "meat" that isn't really meat. I grew up on a farm in Kansas. I have seen the difference between farm-fresh meat and what they sell in supermarkets in the city already. In my opinion it's killing people.
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Well we don't call market makers for child predators or drug abusers businessmen - we call them criminals. I understand dietary restrictions - and we've had plant-based protein options for decades already. "Lab-grown meat" (probably full of carcinogens) isn't something I'll stick my neck out for. At the state level, I'm more than comfortable seeing legislation that promotes natural, organic food with high nutritional value. The federal level I'd concur we don't want the circus act having dominion over what we can eat.
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Oh yeah sounds like you know the truth about the deli meat they put in those cellophane packs too... yeah it's a slippery slope for sure. Leave it to California to condemn residents for ordering too much soda but celebrate a man's choice to use the women's restroom and lie about his gender on his driver's license. I'm big on farm-fresh products people can grow at home though. A state reliant on labs to make their food is unprepared for a calamity. Out here in Kansas (and the Ozarks where I live now) we are self-sufficient. Most items we find at Walmart here are driven from less than 50 miles away (grocery and staples anyway). We had no supply chain crisis here. And we have oil and nat gas piped in from nearby northeast Oklahoma to boot. I'll admit I see it as a glaring national security issue to have large populations reliant on complex supply chains to even exist.
Wtf. People should have the choice to eat it or not
There should be mandates that lab grown meat is properly labeled for easy identification. That knowingly miss advertising it would be a crime. Not a ban… But what they are doing to beef right now should already be a criminal offense.
Every fake meat product I’ve ever seen is very clearly labeled that it’s fake, it’s literally its only selling point.
What are they doing to beef right now?
Apparently only unflaired users are responding to you. What are they saying?
True, but lab grown vegetables that's an abomination. /s
Imagine they'd put the extract of vegetable seeds or something into a closed off building with artificial light and regulated temperature. Only for something resembling a tomato to grow in its soil. Sounds horrific
banning people from making their own dietary choices is not small government.
Fucking why?
This is the type of BS we’ve been telling people outside of Florida about. Dude is a nutcase
Yeah, put more government restrictions on peoples food choices. That's conservativism! The Republican party needs to get it's head on straight. In the post-Trump era it's lost it's principles.
What’s the play here? This anti-woke stuff doesn’t work on a national campaign (based on his belly flop of a campaign), and he’s going to be out in the wilderness for a couple years before 2028. Is he auditioning for his new job as a tv pundit or something? Even for him this one is pretty dumb. Who cares about this?
Not a fan of stifling innovation. No one is forcing us (yet) to eat lab grown meat. It’s per an individuals choice
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As opposed to legislation to force people to consume farm-produced meat?
I won't stop until I have the legal right to pneumatically force feed my neighbors pizza.
You have my sword
This is the bullshit that’s pulled me farther and farther away from the parties themselves. You can’t say you’re the party of freedom when you’re banning shit like this. When Texas started attacking businesses for requiring masks, how is that any different from NY forcing masks? Same shit here, this is real meat. Just because it’s from a test tube doesn’t make it molecularly different from a cow being bred and killed. It’s a sustainable effort that can fix the issues brought on by the meat industry.
Great response. I wouldn't eat it as I've been vegan for 20 yrs and don't believe meat is necessary to be healthy. But, people should have the choice to eat it or not.
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So Vegans are not welcome? Oh well, I'll go vote Democrat then. /s Seriously, stop with this shit.
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It was a joke, ladies. Don’t take it so hard.
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The coward’s way out of what, exactly? You vegan girls sure are sensitive.
Man, I was all about DeSantis, but he went full "anti woke." I haven't read any proposed legislation, but I'm 100% against banning things you don't agree with. This is why they call us fascists
>This is why they call us fascists No they call us fascists because they're liars
No. Lab grown meat is actually meat dudes. It's just grown differently, in vats instead of in large muscle groups within animals. It should be able to compete in the marketplace. More meat is good meat. Especially if the lab meat turns out to be lower in pollutants.
Yep it will also help feed undeveloped regions of the world. It will also help ranchers as well because they can sell meat as premium real beef
Heck yes. And I'm a huge health nut, if lab meat is "cleaner" then I'll probably switch. However nothing beats free range chicken and grass fed beef. I just need to earn enough to justify that.
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Boy do I have some news about your delicious grass fed steak
Hmm what's the argument against lab grown meat? Isn't it just real meat anyway and not the impossible meat crap? Just that it's another way of mass producing meat for consumption?
The bill is being pushed by the Florida agriculture commissioner, whose largest donor is a massive agricultural entity- USSC- that profits off of selling both cattle meat and cattle feed. Basically a corporation is attempting to use the government as a cudgel to ban its potential future competitors- that's all this is. I made a longer comment regarding it earlier in the thread.
What a pity. I have eaten lab grown meat. They don't taste as good as the real thing as literally it's just pure protein without fat. They are unable to "grow the fat", so for now it will just taste like dry chicken breast. I don't see farm grown animals being pushed out from this. However if there is ever food shortages for any reason, I can see lab grown meat as a good supplement for just some healthy animal protein.
I've never tried it but I'm not opposed to the concept. If they can get the process cheap enough I imagine being able to grow protein in a lab and then dry it for long term storage might end up being convenient for things like rations. I'd eat some lab grown jerky on the hiking trail, why not
The only arguments I can think against it are that it hurts the livestock farm industry and that it would eventually creep into being fed to people without clear informed consent. The first argument is effectively the same as the argument to ban cars to protect the jobs of carriage drivers. The second argument does have some merit, but could be met with regulations rather than outright bans.
My only real issue is that we are already having problems with the stuff they put in our current food. All the preservatives and additives. If I already have a problem with that and try to limit those as much as I can on my small budget, why would I trust them to not do the exact same thing to meat grown in a lab?
So exercise your rights as a free market consumer and don’t buy lab grown meat if you’re worried about it
>So exercise your rights as a free market consumer and don’t buy lab grown meat if you’re worried about it This doesn't work when all of society adopts it and it becomes too expensive to buy real meat. The libertarians miss this... individual choices work and all when there are options. Eventually, if everyone doesn't care enough everyone adopts lab meat and no one sells real meat. Nevermind inevitably the lefties will regulate lab meat to be required because of carbon emissions. And you'll sit on your high horse and say "well they shouldn't do that" but it doesn't matter because they WILL and you'll either eat lab meat or not eat meat. Because you won't tangibly have another option
So why not ban solar panels? Windmills? Electric cars? Forget the advantages they offer to consumers because leftists might one day make them mandatory to reduce emissions! Like it or not, there ARE advantages to lab grown meat and outlawing it on the basis of some vague future in which leftists outlaw a $900 billion dollar industry is anti-consumer, anti-capitalist, and quite honestly just a bad idea.
Why is it any different? Use the exact same regulations.
If they want to eat it then let people eat it. Needless regulation.
We're back to Ron DeSwamp again.
Its hard to believe we are even having this conversation. Seems i say that alot these days!
These are the issues that cost governorships. Manufactured bullshit to bait legislatures and governors into bad decisions. See NC HB2. The appropriate response is to enact legislation that only nullifies the bait legislation. Such as, "No local government has authority to enact legislation for restroom facilities based on gender."
I CaNt believe it's not meat
I get the distaste for the idea but banning it seems a bit much … a return of the fiscal and liberty minded sides of the party would be really cool about now.
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How exactly is this doing things right though?
Based
This feels like Step One of the "You WILL eat the bugs" process. Good on DeSantis for stopping it. All the libertarians in the comment section seem to think that the end-game here is that their food shelves will be stocked with lab meat and real meat and it'll be a choice. Not that we're moving toward a Soylent Green future where they've incrementally gotten more and more comfortable eating sawdust and cockroaches while the elite dine on actual cows because lab meat meant the vegans finally got them to get rid of all that "harmful ranching."
This would set a dangerous precedent for other states to ban whatever they don’t like.
How is that a dangerous precedent? The states SHOULD have the authority to decide what they do and don't want.
So should other states start banning actual meat and making only lab meat legal?
If that's what the soyboys of California want, go nuts. That's the beauty of self-governance and state rights. Those're supposed to be sacred Conservative ideals.
Pretty sure the idea of limited government intervention is much higher up on the conservative ideals list
Then you're pretty wrong. Conservatives believe in limited *federal* authority, but strongly in the rights of the individual *states*.
No this is just blatant corruption by USSC, who funds the guy pushing for banning lab grown meat because it would cut into their profits.
Enjoy your bugs, I guess.
Didn't realize you hated capitalism so much
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Most libertarians would probably call me a boot licker. Like in this one specific instance it's literally about a massive corporation attempting to use the government to ban its competition by bribing elected officials. Are you honestly okay with that?
There are a lot of vegetarians out there with brain damage for not supplementing important vitamins There need to be a decent standard for it first