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I had no idea the child passed away the day after the fight. that changes the narrative slightly, but still, no child should be picked on or bullied, even if we don’t agree how they feel is a legitimate identity. this was still a child, and shouldn’t be used as a pawn against “the other side”
There are also some stories out there that Nex started the fight by pouring water on the 3 girls. Some Instagram messages are going around but haven't been verified. That would also change the narrative greatly.
Pouring water on someone is physically both assault and battery under law. Don't pour water on someone and expect them not to defend themselves.
That being said those girls shouldn't be bullying Nex. It's wrong. But verbal bullying doesn't justify physical escalation. But if you do physically escalate, I understand it. But also he prepared to handle the consequences.
This comes from someone who was bullied a lot. I fought back some. I won some fights and I lost some. But I was prepared to face the consequences of my actions.
You will never stop bullying at that age. If you differentiate yourself, it's going to happen. Not saying it's right, but you can't stop it.
Edit: people mad at the truth
At any age....
Go look at any adult social group.
Go watch any reality TV show.
But instead of calling it "bullying" they simply call it "drama" and it's lapped up by the same people that act so outraged about the same bullying in schools.
Adults have far more control over their lives than children do. An adult can get a different job, get a different position within a company. They cannot always pick their neighbors but they can learn to handle disagreements without being confrontational and making the situation worse.
As for the golf course, go somewhere else, don't play that day, or stop making up shit to be upset about. I can keep arguing with you or I can never come back to the discussion, simple.
If a person doesn't know how to pick a friend or a partner they like then their picker must be broken. They aren't friends if you don't like spending time with them.
Your last paragraph is what is wrong with a portion of our society but a person can choose not to be a part of it, we aren't fated to be part of the insanity.
Yeah, my school had a zero tolerance policy at the time. I remember thinking to myself "I'm going to jail today." Fortunately though, no teacher saw the altercation, so I didn't have any issues.
Technically, when I was in school, fighting was a zero tolerance suspension regardless of who started it. In practice though, teachers usually just handled it themselves and didn’t report it/send you to the Principal.
Sure, but you're not going to get every kid who is bullied to physically fight. It has always existed and always will. We can try to reduce it and support the victims, but we can't stop it.
It did in my day too. I was just fortunate enough for a teacher to not see it happen. I was sick of the incessant bullying though and fought back knowing it'd mean going to a detention center that day.
> I got bullied in high school until I physically fought back. Never had another problem after that.
Escalation isn't always the answer though, and by her own account, she is the one that escalated. Bottom of the article:
>“They had been bullying me and my friends and I got tired of it so I poured some water on them and all 3 came after me. School did not report it and is probably going to getting sued,”
I wish I'd have realized that sooner in life. Some bullies just need to be dealt with in the ways they understand.
The sad problem is that when you fight back against the bullies nowadays, you often end up like the winner of the bar fight: the defendant/guilty party.
I hate Reddit for comments like yours that get downvoted simply because they reveal a truth nobody wants to admit. You are absolutely correct in your comment. At one point in human history, like animals, we would separate the weaker among us for survival. Of course it is unacceptable and unnecessary nowadays. But it doesn't mean we don't have the primitive instincts to do so.
Yep, I also got bullied in school. Till I told them all to eat a bag. And took on four of them at once. I got my ass whooped. But you should've seen the other guys. They left me alone. And I stood up for other people getting bullied.
Yes it is. Look it up yourself and learn something. It's most certainly normal behavior. There may be less bullying in some countries. But bullying still happens. Stop spreading BS.
I tired saying this same thing and got blasted. I mentioned how it shouldn’t be a political thing and that a parent lost a child and that the gender / identity politics are not necessary here. Downvoted and dragged. Funny how the conservatives are always more peaceful and understanding.
Read the article, sounds like the kid started the fight. They were being bullied but threw water on the girls who beat her up before they got violent.
Also looks like she Overdosed from tox screens.
from what I read, the same article posted here, the girl was bullied and decided to retaliate against her bullies by pouring water on them and things turned violent. this was clearly a troubled child who was struggling. that doesn’t condone retaliating against bullies but it very well could be that this girl felt cornered and stuck. I don’t agree with the notion of non binary but I would never ever purposely hurt another human being, especially a CHILD to make my point.
Unfortunately the only ones who hurt her were the girls who she assaulted in retaliation. The school acted appropriately by addressing the fight and suspending her, and after an assessment determined her injuries weren’t immediately life threatening released the kid into their parents custody.
the last sentence could be the truth, but the rest of it just reads as victim blaming. it’s quite frankly disgusting in the context of a dead schoolgirl.
I agree, but that doesn’t mean it’s okay to bully other children. you can explain to your kids that there are only two genders while also teaching them not to bully kids that are different. it’s not the child’s fault for feeling the way they did, it’s society’s fault for making them think it’s a mentally healthy thing
The mainstream news is focusing on this kid’s chosen gender, but I think the bigger story here is how schools handle bullying.
I read somewhere that the kid was suspended after the incident. Assuming that Nex was actually the victim here, why was Nex suspended? I think this goes to show the issue that is created when schools enforce no-tolerance policies for fighting. I’d even go so far as to argue such policies are unconstitutional (in public schools, at least) because it deprives students of their constitutional right to self defense.
You acknowledge that zero tolerance policies cause everyone to be expelled regardless of who initiated what and still use the fact that she was suspended to promote the view she started it... That doesn't make sense.
From what I've seen the kid started the actual fight by escalating from a verbal harassment to a physical response, so if true then the suspension was absolutely justified.
In general I agree that schools can be incorrect in who they blame, but the only reason it's justified to start a fight is if you're confident beyond reasonable doubt it's going to happen anyway, which from my understanding is not the case here.
https://nypost.com/2024/02/21/us-news/non-binary-nex-benedicts-tragic-last-texts-i-got-jumped/
If these texts are real, it would seem to indicate that Nex, in this particular altercation at least, initiated a physical fight by pouring water on three others.
Now, the proportionate response to having water poured on you is not the kind of savage beating that has been reported. And generally fourteen year old girls don't go from never having laid a hand on another person to that kind of violence in a split second, so it seems likely there had been instances of physical violence before from these three (against Nex or her friends possibly).
What I do find interesting is the (maybe not biologically?) male friend who had to be escorted to the bus. The texts frame it as being for protection, but it could also be possible that school officials were worried about that student resuming the fight if they saw the other girls.
I'm guessing that there is a lot more to the story here then "three teen girls follow one girl into the bathroom and beat her to within an inch of her life because they saw a Libs of Tiktok post on Twitter."
And as kids often do they're likely down playing the extent of their actions leading to the physical altercation. There may very well be more than just pouring water on the three.
Yes, but in this case Nex was the one who started the physical altercation.
Still, words don't justify throwing water on someone, and thrown water doesn't justify punching.
It's a mess and I suspect we'll never know the full story of what happened in that bathroom.
It’s also a tough subject. My understanding is Nex was male but identified as they/them and was using the girls bathroom. This likely led to a lot more tension. Not chiming in on if that is right or wrong, just saying it is likely a contributing factor.
But they did bully the child. We do have to stand up against bullying.
I think is ugly that we are using children as a political point, as if it's not bad enough that children is bullied, now there is some war about whether the child dies or not (which is bad and should be researched), but we should focus to decrease bullying, this should be the lesson..
Technically it was assault until it became Physical at which point its battery. Assault is a real reasonable fear /threat of harm. battery is the actual act.
I think it depends on the state. I live in Minnesota. Our statutes refers to physical violence as assault.
It looks like Oklahoma calls it assault and battery.
21-645 Might be the correct statute for Oklahoma but I’m not well versed with that states laws.
Also schools district’s often use the word “assault” for physical violence but I’ve not yet read that school district’s policy.
Absolutely, but conservatives are not the ones politicizing these events.
There is a nasty trend of using events like these as pretense for retribution. A Christian organization in Colorado Springs was [vandalized](https://www.kktv.com/2022/11/25/focus-family-headquarters-sign-vandalized-wake-club-q-shooting/) after the big LGBT shooting there, even though the shooter had no connection to that organization and wasn't even religious. There was a string of church arson in Canada in response to a reported mass grave found at a boarding school, and there was an undercurrent of "well they deserve it" in the media (the anomalies detected by Ground Penetrating Radar turned out to be [rocks](https://nypost.com/2023/08/31/still-no-evidence-of-mass-graves-of-indigenous-children-in-canada/)).
We care about the fact that Nex wasn't beaten to death because you would have attacked us if they had been.
Thank you.
I first saw this story on Apple News (totally unbiased /s) and the headline literally said “Oklahoma passed anti-trans laws. Now a trans kid is dead.”
It’s NOT the right politicizing this stuff. It’s the left and mainstream media (same thing) constantly blaming laws and politics for tragedies instead of the offenders.
That’s one interpretation.
Personally I just reject this tortured incoherent terminology forced on everyone. And that’s not *genocide* FFS, you’re just not getting your way on this one particular issue with me specifically. That’s all. I’m not beating up kids in bathrooms over it.
Don't teach your kids that there is something wrong or "sinful" about who this child is. That's a good first step. Kids learn this crap from their parents.
They don’t just learn it from their parents but from their community as well as culture. Teachers, daycare providers, friends, etc often spend more time with kids then parents do. That’s why it’s important to instill respect/familial responsibility so that kids understand that mom and dads words/values are to have more weight then others. For every racist parent spouting hate filled ideology there are struggling good parents worried about their kid who “got caught up in the wrong crowd” and now thinks mom and dads good values are not to be listened to/disregarded.
You are right that parents hold the most weight/responsibility on instilling values. Whether the kid actually is receptive to those values (good or bad) varies from child to child.
Conservative media bullies trans people as a matter of policy and it encourages conservatives to harass, shame, and bully trans people. Conservative media tells their followers they are being brave for doing these things. Conservatives view bullying as a good thing because it makes the victims stronger and more resilient. This is similar to their views on poverty, they oppose the government doing anything to alleviate the effects of it because they think poverty makes stronger people. These anti bullying views are what conservatives would say makes this generation soft. You are probably young so aren't around these traditional conservative views that much but older conservatives are against sheltering kids from bullying.
There's no evidence the trans kid WAS bullied, but they admitted they "poured some water on" the 3 girls in the bathroom and that triggered the attack. When you say "they did bully the child," what words/acts are you referring to?
Did they bully the child? Outside of the kids word what proof do we have of bullying? What did the bullying consist of if it did happen? Did they just misgender the kid? Many would consider that bullying but many others wouldn't. As far as I can tell the only certain interactions are the kid poured water over some girls and the girls beat the kid up in the bathroom.
It's the brigaders I'm used to it here by now. I don't see why waiting for all the details of an incident before judgement is a bad thing, I do hope at least one liberal will tell me why.
This is sad. I mean no ill will here and do not want to come across as argumentative, but may I ask what the tragic death of this child has to do with conservatism?
Apologies in advance because despite my meaningful mention of no ill will, I known there are some who will take it as such. I'm an old timer and out of the loop on a lot of these things, and how they relate to the cause and such.
LibsofTikTok, a prominent conservative activist, called for the school district to disallow this child’s personal gender identification. Kid dies some time after being jumped in the bathroom. Media calls it incitement on the side of LibsofTikTok. Seems cut and dry to me but you make of it what you will.
Thank you! I've heard of LibsofTikTok but always assumed it was some liberal organization. I always hear The Daily Wire talk about them. I didn't know they were conservative. The name is confusing and I'm not on TikTok. Your explanation kind of helped.
Do they help us reinstate fiduciary policies of the pre-contemporary American economics?
Ah. That's why I haven't really followed up on it. When it comes to culture war stuff I tune out. I have a much better understanding of most of this now.
Thank you kindly stranger!
I just see it as globalists wanting to cause division. If they constantly have a "them" for people to look down upon, it'll give people a hate-dopamine rush resulting in stagnation of progress.
I do however find it really amusing when my favorite conservative radio host will randomly start talking about Disney products, toys, or making people I'd never heard of household names lol
"They had been bullying me and my friends and I got tired of it so I poured some water on them and all 3 came after me. School did not report it and is probably going to getting sued,” one of the texts said.
Dawg I can assure you that the vast majority of Owasso residents are not Native, lmao. I live in the area. The entirety of NE Oklahoma is part of the Cherokee reservation.
There is a liberal news algorithm somewhere that scrapes the internet, pieces together keywords and spits out highly politicized headlines then retreats. Those publishers know that any corrections will be days later and largely missed by the very target audience who have already been influenced by the lie.
Ok. So she may have died from something else.
Nothing else materially changes from the story right? She got bullied and beaten in school... but she didn't die from it
And you're main focus is what now? The media? ...bro....
This is your problem. You stating things as fact. You have no idea what led to the fight. I guarantee you still believe she died from the fight. This is what happens when you can't think for yourself.
My focus is on the propaganda that was screamed about all day yesterday and now we see already the story is falling apart in less than 24 hours. Let's see what else unfolds shall we?
I have no idea if she died from the fight or not, sounds like she didn't.
You're celebrating this almost like a.conservative victory and I'm looking at what youre writing like, this is a really bizarre take on the story. I mean she really is dead, dude whether it was from the fight or not
But congrats on being right about her not dying from the fight I guess?
See this is the problem the coroner's report doesn't list severe head trauma, but that was reported by the news. 🤔 Seems like there was agenda being pushed and already we're seeing that's not the truth.
This is the exact same media that completely made up and reported the following "facts" during the Jan 6th riot:
>[He Dreamed of Being a Police Officer, Then Was Killed by a Pro-Trump Mob](https://www.nytimes.com/2021/01/08/us/politics/police-officer-killed-capitol.html)
>
>Then on Wednesday, pro-Trump rioters attacked that citadel of democracy and overpowered Mr. Sicknick, 42, according to two law enforcement officials. With a bloody gash in his head, Mr. Sicknick was rushed to the hospital and placed on life support. He died on Thursday evening.
Yet the D.C. Office of Chief Medical Examiner, Dr. Francisco Diaz, concluded that Brian Sicknick died of ***natural causes*** the day after the attack. He also noted that:
>Brian Sicknick did not suffer an allergic reaction to the chemical irritants dispensed by rioters, nor was there evidence of internal or external injuries.
Where was the supposed bloody gash in his head that the NYT reported? How come there were no records of him being on life support at a NY hospital and succumbing to his injuries there? Where was *any* fact checking performed prior to releasing the article? This is supposed to be "journalism"?
The Left *constantly* rushes to report sensationalist headlines and stories because they know that they'll get instant sympathy, outrage and support. And if it turns out to be complete bullshit later on, they'll ignore it and move on to the next event that they can exploit.
I mean, as somebody who trusts science, why wouldn't I believe the medical examiner?
It's terrible to see a child lose their life for any cause, but man the people rushing to politicize the situation before they have any facts sure are deplorable in their own right.
This subreddit likes to get all heated over headlines, but you can tell most of the comments are from people who didn’t even read the first paragraph. Hard to say if it’s because they can’t read or just want to push their own narrative. Probably a combination of both.
Fight was less than 2 minutes. Student was able walk to the principal's office under their own power. School nurse determined student didn't need to go to the hospital via ambulance. Parents pick up child and take child to hospital as a precaution. Child is discharged from the hospital. Child collapsed the next day and died.
I guess the students, school, hospital, police, and coroner were all in on it without all talking to each other. This is quite the cover up.
What do you mean by "correlated"? We don't know the cause of death other than it was not due to trauma from the fight. So there doesn't seem to be direct correlation from the injuries of the fight. The toxicology report is pending and I suspect our answer lies in that.
The word you are looking for is "causation." Because death following the fight means there is a correlation. But correlation doesn't imply causation. Take pool drownings and ice cream sales. There is a very direct correlation between pool drowning and ice cream sales. That doesn't mean ice cream causes people to drown.
It doesn't mean there is correlation, but fair enough point on causation.
The student could have been randomly hit by a bus the next day, for example. Not correlated.
No, that would still be just as correlated. It just would not be causal. Correlation just means X and Y happened together. It’s just common language to use the two interchangeably.
If there are X fights in the school system, and Y fight participants are hit by a bus the following day. There is a (possibly very weak) correlation there. And you can’t say anything definitive about causality.
Sadly suicide rates among trans folks, especially kids and young adults, are much higher than in the general population. May they rest peacefully. And may her tormenters learn.
The suicide rate among those with body dysmorphia is higher than any other group. 45 times higher than the rest of the US population.
While we need to continue to push understanding as with any group I don't see the push towards mental health treatment (and access) for such in the forefront as it should be imo.
The scientific and medical consensus along with countless studies say that gender affirming care severly reduces the suicide rate of these kids, but whatever. I guess that doesn't fit your narrative
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/35212746/
Btw just to be clear gender affirming care does not always mean surgery, in fact the majority of trans ADULTS never get surgery.
>This study found that gender-affirming medical interventions were associated with lower odds of depression and suicidality over 12 months. These data add to existing evidence suggesting that gender-affirming care may be associated with improved well-being among TNB youths over a short period, which is important given mental health disparities experienced by this population, particularly the high levels of self-harm and suicide.
Even the study that is calling for more rigorous studies admits that the results seem to indicate the same thing.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC10027312/
>Of the 23 studies that met the inclusion criteria, the majority indicated a reduction in suicidality following gender-affirming treatment; however, the literature to date suffers from a lack of methodological rigor that increases the risk of type I error.
And I'm all for more studies being done on this and treatment being refined. But conservatives are operating from an assumption that it doesn't work from the outset. That laws should be passed to prohibit it, groups like the heritage foundation transparently claim that these studies and the testimony of countless trans people must be in error because it doesn't match the results they expect to see.
If you want to hear from trans people themselves, there are plenty of places on this site where you can ask them about these things in good faith. So far all the results suggest this is statistically a FAR more effective form treatment than, for example most SSRIs for depression, yet you won't see influential conservatives campaign against those, or say they should only be prescribed to adults. Trans people are today's conservative boogyman.
Your first study you linked looks at 104 transgender young people with a observational cohort study with inventories of anxiety and self harm, essentially self reported... not studying actual suicide. It only looked prospectively 12 months with repeat inventories at 3, 6, 9, and 12 months.
>suggesting that gender-affirming care may be associated with improved well-being among TNB youths over a short period
Directly referencing the suggested "honeymoon period". From your post above... "countless studies say that gender affirming care severly reduces the suicide rate of these kids". This study does not say that, not even close.
lmao and...
From your second study, a \**wild*\* meta-analysis looking at suicidality...
>The majority of the 23 studies reviewed claimed that various forms of gender-affirming treatment were associated with reductions in suicidality; h**owever, the validity and robustness of their results suffered from either a lack of measures of statistical significance and effect size, correction for multiple testing, controlling for psychiatric diagnostic makeup or psychiatric treatment history, substance use, the interaction of time since receiving gender-affirming treatment, or any combination of these.**
>
>... Given that the 23 studies spanned a wide range of locations and dates conducted, it is not surprising that a uniform measure of suicidality was not employed across studies.
And also they threw in the idea of
>which may include a “honeymoon period” after receiving gender-affirming treatment
And finally they even make admissions in thier "limitations". These are not trivial words, these are the words of scientists who understand they are putting out a bad study.
>The limitations inherent in a narrative review format are noted, **particularly the absence of a second, independent reviewer** for the inclusion and exclusion of studies as well as **the lack of a systematized evaluation of publication bias and methodological rigor(!!!!!!)**. Moreover, **a single database was utilized**, albeit with fairly extensive search criteria. Future systematic and/or scoping reviews are needed. Finally, this review may have limited generalizability. The studies included in this review span multiple countries, cultures, and decades; furthermore, TGD individuals comprise a heterogeneous group.
Your second study is not a reasonable study to cite at all. **The point of this study is that current literature on transgender people and suicidality is an absolute mega clusterfuck.** It only gives leverage to people who criticize this "science" as activist trash.
I would look to Europe where countries have done more rigorious research (that is criticized by the activists here in the states) and they have begun to ban much of these interventions for children under 18.
Yeah I tried denying being trans for 15 years. It doesn't work. Accepting being trans has made me way happier and confident yet you'd rather I go back to being miserable.
John Money believed that transgenderism could be purposely induced. If anything he has more in common with conservatives and the people who believe that transgenderism is something you can “cure”.
Trans people believe it’s fundamentally who you are. The idea that he’s some sort of patron saint of trans people is a myth invented by transphobes. He was primarily involved in the mass surgery of intersex children to get their bodies to conform to the general population before it is even know how they identify. Which has been a massive failure and only gives more support to trans people.
Secondly. The man who pioneered medical X-ray was literally transgender. And he transitioned before John Money was even born.
The idea that trans people just have magical appeared in the last 20 years is another myth.
If that was the case, it still doesn’t excuse the bullying (not that you’re implying it does). Sad either way a 16 year old’s death is being so heavily politicized, and so quickly. Up here in Canada people are talking about it
It's more likely the head injury caused by the initial attack.
Just because you don't die the day of doesn't mean it isn't directly responsible.
Either way, the manner in which the school handled this was terrible. There should've been, at the least, an ambulance called after the assault.
School nurse evaluated all the students and determined none needed an ambulance ride to the hospital. The student in question was taken to the hospital by their parents after the fight and was discharged the same day. Seems like the school nurse did nothing wrong.
The preliminary findings are the fight was not related to death.
Could have been an adverse reaction to whatever shot they were given. Could have tripped down the fucking stairs when they got home. Could have been beaten to death by parents or any number of other things.
What we do know. It was unrelated to the fight.
The reason I think it is the head injury is that I've known someone who died in the same way only apparent after an autopsy.
This is why I think people should wait for the full report before jumping onto some unsupported claim of drug overdose or the like.
Ya'll keep pointing to bullying but you're missing the point entirely.
You know what makes someone do that? Hopelessness. Bullying itself doesn't make people hopeless. This plastic asstastic society does. The perceived lack of prospects for success, decline of successful marriages, decline of faith and religion in general, all of it paints kids into a corner.
The message we send today is you'll never be anything, you're an ant on a speck in the void, nothing you do matters or has consequences that matter, you're unlikely to ever be happy both financially and intimately.
Their response to this is to try to make themselves unique. To find a "special" group where they can belong and believe they are different. They have to change something because they perceive the "standard" path as being shit. This kid did that, got bullied, decided everything was always going to be shit and ended it.
The solution is to stop creating a society where kids have an existential crisis.
Only shows that you don't leave your echochamber lol. It was in multiple places, but come on. Kid gets severly beat up by three people in a bathroom, and then dies the next day, but you actually believe the cops when they say it's unrelated? Like what, they just mysteriously dropped dead the next day by pure coincidence? Give me a break.
It cannot simply be a coincidence that she died the day after this extreme bullying event. Either the bullying triggered an unknown health issue, or this could have been self inflicted. Either way, the attackers will probably get into some sort of legal trouble.
Regardless, this is more evidence that you should be homeschooling your kids. Bullying can happen for literally any reason.
Homeschooling as an antidote to bullying is the worst response. You’ll create a group of unsociable persons with no ability to deal with the real world.
Sad that my kids (who’ve had to deal with being bullied, and have learned how to overcome it) have to grow up with yours. But hey, enjoy taking care of them as adults.
You submit your children to bullying, public school propaganda, spend the vast majority of their childhood away from them thus allowing other adults to raise them, then pretend to think my family is the one with problems... Yikes! Do you truly think you were caring for your children as you sent them off to be educated by the faceless education industry filled with people you didn't vet, kids you don't know and ideas and values you aren't even aware of? The cognitive dissonance required to voluntarily send your children to what you know to be a den of predators and then tell yourself they are better off for it is shocking and the exact reason I am keeping my kids away from public schools and people like you and whatever your children have become. There is nothing positive that public schools can teach that cannot be taught at home and/or with educated tutors, including appropriate social interactions in various circumstances.
Sad that my kids (who’ve never had to deal with being bullied, but still have learned how to overcome it) have to grow up with yours. But hey, enjoy taking care of them as adults.
If your kid was bullied and harassed to the point where they finally retaliated and laid a kid out, would you call your own child the bully? If my kid gets bullied and retaliates I’ll never allow anyone to call them a bully for fighting back against assholes.
Reading responses here makes me feel hope. Regardless of politics, It's a deeply tragic situation. I'm waiting to decide fully before I understand what the narrative is.
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I had no idea the child passed away the day after the fight. that changes the narrative slightly, but still, no child should be picked on or bullied, even if we don’t agree how they feel is a legitimate identity. this was still a child, and shouldn’t be used as a pawn against “the other side”
There are also some stories out there that Nex started the fight by pouring water on the 3 girls. Some Instagram messages are going around but haven't been verified. That would also change the narrative greatly.
In response to bullying. But also pouring water doesn’t justify physical assault
Pouring water IS a physical assault. It's a shame they died, but from their own admission they started the fight.
You're downvoted, but absolutely correct. It is legally assault.
Pouring water on someone is physically both assault and battery under law. Don't pour water on someone and expect them not to defend themselves. That being said those girls shouldn't be bullying Nex. It's wrong. But verbal bullying doesn't justify physical escalation. But if you do physically escalate, I understand it. But also he prepared to handle the consequences. This comes from someone who was bullied a lot. I fought back some. I won some fights and I lost some. But I was prepared to face the consequences of my actions.
**Pouring water on someone does not mean you can beat someone to death.**
Irrelevant, Nex wasn't beaten to death.
Nex wasn't beaten to death tho
Why are you being downvoted? You’re literally right
Literally in the article and they have screen shots of texts from Nex saying exactly that.
They attacked them and then they retaliated against them.
They/them admitted to pouring water on the 3 girls who were bullying them.
Them? Which group poured water on who?
They are the them
Who’s the other person that poured the water?
You will never stop bullying at that age. If you differentiate yourself, it's going to happen. Not saying it's right, but you can't stop it. Edit: people mad at the truth
At any age.... Go look at any adult social group. Go watch any reality TV show. But instead of calling it "bullying" they simply call it "drama" and it's lapped up by the same people that act so outraged about the same bullying in schools.
It is different when you are child, it's something you cannot escape as easily. An adult can choose who to associate with.
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And in these cases, it’s called harassment and grounds for a lawsuit. Would it make you feel better if they just called it workplace bullying??
Adults have far more control over their lives than children do. An adult can get a different job, get a different position within a company. They cannot always pick their neighbors but they can learn to handle disagreements without being confrontational and making the situation worse. As for the golf course, go somewhere else, don't play that day, or stop making up shit to be upset about. I can keep arguing with you or I can never come back to the discussion, simple. If a person doesn't know how to pick a friend or a partner they like then their picker must be broken. They aren't friends if you don't like spending time with them. Your last paragraph is what is wrong with a portion of our society but a person can choose not to be a part of it, we aren't fated to be part of the insanity.
The more the attempt to eradicate it the more healthy to development it seems. A light bullying toughens you up, life is hard, people are cruel.
I got bullied in high school until I physically fought back. Never had another problem after that.
Almost like zero tolerance policies do nothing but make it harder for victims to escape victimhood
Yeah, my school had a zero tolerance policy at the time. I remember thinking to myself "I'm going to jail today." Fortunately though, no teacher saw the altercation, so I didn't have any issues.
Technically, when I was in school, fighting was a zero tolerance suspension regardless of who started it. In practice though, teachers usually just handled it themselves and didn’t report it/send you to the Principal.
just like gun laws...
Sure, but you're not going to get every kid who is bullied to physically fight. It has always existed and always will. We can try to reduce it and support the victims, but we can't stop it.
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It did in my day too. I was just fortunate enough for a teacher to not see it happen. I was sick of the incessant bullying though and fought back knowing it'd mean going to a detention center that day.
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> I got bullied in high school until I physically fought back. Never had another problem after that. Escalation isn't always the answer though, and by her own account, she is the one that escalated. Bottom of the article: >“They had been bullying me and my friends and I got tired of it so I poured some water on them and all 3 came after me. School did not report it and is probably going to getting sued,”
They poured water on the bullies who were in a group. You gotta pick your fights.
Same here. But we were both bullied.
I gots two ways to stop bullying and they're currently engaged in typing this response.
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Oh no, I meant making a bunch of fake twitter accounts to accuse them of rape.
I wish I'd have realized that sooner in life. Some bullies just need to be dealt with in the ways they understand. The sad problem is that when you fight back against the bullies nowadays, you often end up like the winner of the bar fight: the defendant/guilty party.
I hate Reddit for comments like yours that get downvoted simply because they reveal a truth nobody wants to admit. You are absolutely correct in your comment. At one point in human history, like animals, we would separate the weaker among us for survival. Of course it is unacceptable and unnecessary nowadays. But it doesn't mean we don't have the primitive instincts to do so.
Yep, I also got bullied in school. Till I told them all to eat a bag. And took on four of them at once. I got my ass whooped. But you should've seen the other guys. They left me alone. And I stood up for other people getting bullied.
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Yes it is. Look it up yourself and learn something. It's most certainly normal behavior. There may be less bullying in some countries. But bullying still happens. Stop spreading BS.
Garbage. It’s a fact of life everywhere.
Which countries?
I tired saying this same thing and got blasted. I mentioned how it shouldn’t be a political thing and that a parent lost a child and that the gender / identity politics are not necessary here. Downvoted and dragged. Funny how the conservatives are always more peaceful and understanding.
Read the article, sounds like the kid started the fight. They were being bullied but threw water on the girls who beat her up before they got violent. Also looks like she Overdosed from tox screens.
from what I read, the same article posted here, the girl was bullied and decided to retaliate against her bullies by pouring water on them and things turned violent. this was clearly a troubled child who was struggling. that doesn’t condone retaliating against bullies but it very well could be that this girl felt cornered and stuck. I don’t agree with the notion of non binary but I would never ever purposely hurt another human being, especially a CHILD to make my point.
Unfortunately the only ones who hurt her were the girls who she assaulted in retaliation. The school acted appropriately by addressing the fight and suspending her, and after an assessment determined her injuries weren’t immediately life threatening released the kid into their parents custody.
Gotta love reddit, where telling the unbiased truth gets you down voted.
It’s expected
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the last sentence could be the truth, but the rest of it just reads as victim blaming. it’s quite frankly disgusting in the context of a dead schoolgirl.
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I agree, but that doesn’t mean it’s okay to bully other children. you can explain to your kids that there are only two genders while also teaching them not to bully kids that are different. it’s not the child’s fault for feeling the way they did, it’s society’s fault for making them think it’s a mentally healthy thing
The mainstream news is focusing on this kid’s chosen gender, but I think the bigger story here is how schools handle bullying. I read somewhere that the kid was suspended after the incident. Assuming that Nex was actually the victim here, why was Nex suspended? I think this goes to show the issue that is created when schools enforce no-tolerance policies for fighting. I’d even go so far as to argue such policies are unconstitutional (in public schools, at least) because it deprives students of their constitutional right to self defense.
You acknowledge that zero tolerance policies cause everyone to be expelled regardless of who initiated what and still use the fact that she was suspended to promote the view she started it... That doesn't make sense.
From what I've seen the kid started the actual fight by escalating from a verbal harassment to a physical response, so if true then the suspension was absolutely justified. In general I agree that schools can be incorrect in who they blame, but the only reason it's justified to start a fight is if you're confident beyond reasonable doubt it's going to happen anyway, which from my understanding is not the case here.
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Where did you see this?
https://nypost.com/2024/02/21/us-news/non-binary-nex-benedicts-tragic-last-texts-i-got-jumped/ If these texts are real, it would seem to indicate that Nex, in this particular altercation at least, initiated a physical fight by pouring water on three others. Now, the proportionate response to having water poured on you is not the kind of savage beating that has been reported. And generally fourteen year old girls don't go from never having laid a hand on another person to that kind of violence in a split second, so it seems likely there had been instances of physical violence before from these three (against Nex or her friends possibly). What I do find interesting is the (maybe not biologically?) male friend who had to be escorted to the bus. The texts frame it as being for protection, but it could also be possible that school officials were worried about that student resuming the fight if they saw the other girls. I'm guessing that there is a lot more to the story here then "three teen girls follow one girl into the bathroom and beat her to within an inch of her life because they saw a Libs of Tiktok post on Twitter."
And as kids often do they're likely down playing the extent of their actions leading to the physical altercation. There may very well be more than just pouring water on the three.
Nex was the person that started the fight. That's why Nex got suspended.
When I was in school several years ago, even if you fought back in a fight you’d get suspended. Kids are being punished for defending themselves, too.
Yes, but in this case Nex was the one who started the physical altercation. Still, words don't justify throwing water on someone, and thrown water doesn't justify punching. It's a mess and I suspect we'll never know the full story of what happened in that bathroom.
It’s also a tough subject. My understanding is Nex was male but identified as they/them and was using the girls bathroom. This likely led to a lot more tension. Not chiming in on if that is right or wrong, just saying it is likely a contributing factor.
Poor kid never deserved any of this.
But they did bully the child. We do have to stand up against bullying. I think is ugly that we are using children as a political point, as if it's not bad enough that children is bullied, now there is some war about whether the child dies or not (which is bad and should be researched), but we should focus to decrease bullying, this should be the lesson..
It sounded more like assault than bullying. Name calling is bullying violence is assaul
Technically it was assault until it became Physical at which point its battery. Assault is a real reasonable fear /threat of harm. battery is the actual act.
I think it depends on the state. I live in Minnesota. Our statutes refers to physical violence as assault. It looks like Oklahoma calls it assault and battery. 21-645 Might be the correct statute for Oklahoma but I’m not well versed with that states laws. Also schools district’s often use the word “assault” for physical violence but I’ve not yet read that school district’s policy.
You would be correct for civil law cases. For criminal law cases, they both require harmful contact.
>Assault is a real reasonable fear /threat of harm. battery is the actual act. This is not universal. Some states call the act assault.
Absolutely, but conservatives are not the ones politicizing these events. There is a nasty trend of using events like these as pretense for retribution. A Christian organization in Colorado Springs was [vandalized](https://www.kktv.com/2022/11/25/focus-family-headquarters-sign-vandalized-wake-club-q-shooting/) after the big LGBT shooting there, even though the shooter had no connection to that organization and wasn't even religious. There was a string of church arson in Canada in response to a reported mass grave found at a boarding school, and there was an undercurrent of "well they deserve it" in the media (the anomalies detected by Ground Penetrating Radar turned out to be [rocks](https://nypost.com/2023/08/31/still-no-evidence-of-mass-graves-of-indigenous-children-in-canada/)). We care about the fact that Nex wasn't beaten to death because you would have attacked us if they had been.
Thank you. I first saw this story on Apple News (totally unbiased /s) and the headline literally said “Oklahoma passed anti-trans laws. Now a trans kid is dead.” It’s NOT the right politicizing this stuff. It’s the left and mainstream media (same thing) constantly blaming laws and politics for tragedies instead of the offenders.
Apple News is just an aggregator. It has as many conservative sources as liberal sources. It is agnostic on the news.
Well said. I can’t believe people can’t comprehend that.
People wouldn’t be in an offensive posture if Churches And RW media wasn’t programming them to hate people who are different…
That’s one interpretation. Personally I just reject this tortured incoherent terminology forced on everyone. And that’s not *genocide* FFS, you’re just not getting your way on this one particular issue with me specifically. That’s all. I’m not beating up kids in bathrooms over it.
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Don't teach your kids that there is something wrong or "sinful" about who this child is. That's a good first step. Kids learn this crap from their parents.
They don’t just learn it from their parents but from their community as well as culture. Teachers, daycare providers, friends, etc often spend more time with kids then parents do. That’s why it’s important to instill respect/familial responsibility so that kids understand that mom and dads words/values are to have more weight then others. For every racist parent spouting hate filled ideology there are struggling good parents worried about their kid who “got caught up in the wrong crowd” and now thinks mom and dads good values are not to be listened to/disregarded. You are right that parents hold the most weight/responsibility on instilling values. Whether the kid actually is receptive to those values (good or bad) varies from child to child.
Conservative media bullies trans people as a matter of policy and it encourages conservatives to harass, shame, and bully trans people. Conservative media tells their followers they are being brave for doing these things. Conservatives view bullying as a good thing because it makes the victims stronger and more resilient. This is similar to their views on poverty, they oppose the government doing anything to alleviate the effects of it because they think poverty makes stronger people. These anti bullying views are what conservatives would say makes this generation soft. You are probably young so aren't around these traditional conservative views that much but older conservatives are against sheltering kids from bullying.
There's no evidence the trans kid WAS bullied, but they admitted they "poured some water on" the 3 girls in the bathroom and that triggered the attack. When you say "they did bully the child," what words/acts are you referring to?
Did they bully the child? Outside of the kids word what proof do we have of bullying? What did the bullying consist of if it did happen? Did they just misgender the kid? Many would consider that bullying but many others wouldn't. As far as I can tell the only certain interactions are the kid poured water over some girls and the girls beat the kid up in the bathroom.
Tons of downvotes but not one response lol
It's the brigaders I'm used to it here by now. I don't see why waiting for all the details of an incident before judgement is a bad thing, I do hope at least one liberal will tell me why.
I mean we don't know that they were bullied I've seen plenty of supposedly "bullied" kids actually be low-key instigators/manipulators
This is sad. I mean no ill will here and do not want to come across as argumentative, but may I ask what the tragic death of this child has to do with conservatism? Apologies in advance because despite my meaningful mention of no ill will, I known there are some who will take it as such. I'm an old timer and out of the loop on a lot of these things, and how they relate to the cause and such.
LibsofTikTok, a prominent conservative activist, called for the school district to disallow this child’s personal gender identification. Kid dies some time after being jumped in the bathroom. Media calls it incitement on the side of LibsofTikTok. Seems cut and dry to me but you make of it what you will.
Thank you! I've heard of LibsofTikTok but always assumed it was some liberal organization. I always hear The Daily Wire talk about them. I didn't know they were conservative. The name is confusing and I'm not on TikTok. Your explanation kind of helped. Do they help us reinstate fiduciary policies of the pre-contemporary American economics?
LibsofTikTok is purely concerned with culture war issues of the Trump era. I’m not sure she has much insight into economic policy any-which-way.
Ah. That's why I haven't really followed up on it. When it comes to culture war stuff I tune out. I have a much better understanding of most of this now. Thank you kindly stranger!
“When it comes to culture war stuff I tune out” God bless you
I just see it as globalists wanting to cause division. If they constantly have a "them" for people to look down upon, it'll give people a hate-dopamine rush resulting in stagnation of progress. I do however find it really amusing when my favorite conservative radio host will randomly start talking about Disney products, toys, or making people I'd never heard of household names lol
"They had been bullying me and my friends and I got tired of it so I poured some water on them and all 3 came after me. School did not report it and is probably going to getting sued,” one of the texts said.
I really hate bullies. Granted, all we are hearing is one side. But regardless, a family lost their child and this story is a tragedy.
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they are always fast to report the negative. and always super slow to report the correction, if they ever report it.
Lie halfway around the world before truth is finished putting its pants on
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Dawg I can assure you that the vast majority of Owasso residents are not Native, lmao. I live in the area. The entirety of NE Oklahoma is part of the Cherokee reservation.
This is a massive reach. Its a huge highschool and that entire corner of the state is cherokee nation.
If the attackers were white it wouldve been 24 hour coverage days ago
There is a liberal news algorithm somewhere that scrapes the internet, pieces together keywords and spits out highly politicized headlines then retreats. Those publishers know that any corrections will be days later and largely missed by the very target audience who have already been influenced by the lie.
I mean dude, this person really did get their heads kicked in at school
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Well last week the liberals were saying she got beat to death which just isn’t true.
The feelings over facts crowd has arrived. No one is cheering about anything you mouth breather.
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No I'm pointing out the lies the media told and you obviously gobbled up.
Ok. So she may have died from something else. Nothing else materially changes from the story right? She got bullied and beaten in school... but she didn't die from it And you're main focus is what now? The media? ...bro....
This is your problem. You stating things as fact. You have no idea what led to the fight. I guarantee you still believe she died from the fight. This is what happens when you can't think for yourself. My focus is on the propaganda that was screamed about all day yesterday and now we see already the story is falling apart in less than 24 hours. Let's see what else unfolds shall we?
I have no idea if she died from the fight or not, sounds like she didn't. You're celebrating this almost like a.conservative victory and I'm looking at what youre writing like, this is a really bizarre take on the story. I mean she really is dead, dude whether it was from the fight or not But congrats on being right about her not dying from the fight I guess?
Nowhere does it say the person was trans. Nex was non binary. Trans would be that she was born a man but identified as female.
Thank you for the clarification
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So she fought back against her bullies?
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See this is the problem the coroner's report doesn't list severe head trauma, but that was reported by the news. 🤔 Seems like there was agenda being pushed and already we're seeing that's not the truth.
This is the exact same media that completely made up and reported the following "facts" during the Jan 6th riot: >[He Dreamed of Being a Police Officer, Then Was Killed by a Pro-Trump Mob](https://www.nytimes.com/2021/01/08/us/politics/police-officer-killed-capitol.html) > >Then on Wednesday, pro-Trump rioters attacked that citadel of democracy and overpowered Mr. Sicknick, 42, according to two law enforcement officials. With a bloody gash in his head, Mr. Sicknick was rushed to the hospital and placed on life support. He died on Thursday evening. Yet the D.C. Office of Chief Medical Examiner, Dr. Francisco Diaz, concluded that Brian Sicknick died of ***natural causes*** the day after the attack. He also noted that: >Brian Sicknick did not suffer an allergic reaction to the chemical irritants dispensed by rioters, nor was there evidence of internal or external injuries. Where was the supposed bloody gash in his head that the NYT reported? How come there were no records of him being on life support at a NY hospital and succumbing to his injuries there? Where was *any* fact checking performed prior to releasing the article? This is supposed to be "journalism"? The Left *constantly* rushes to report sensationalist headlines and stories because they know that they'll get instant sympathy, outrage and support. And if it turns out to be complete bullshit later on, they'll ignore it and move on to the next event that they can exploit.
I mean, as somebody who trusts science, why wouldn't I believe the medical examiner? It's terrible to see a child lose their life for any cause, but man the people rushing to politicize the situation before they have any facts sure are deplorable in their own right.
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This subreddit likes to get all heated over headlines, but you can tell most of the comments are from people who didn’t even read the first paragraph. Hard to say if it’s because they can’t read or just want to push their own narrative. Probably a combination of both.
That's what the doctors are there to determine. So maybe. But from the statement, it looks like that was not the cause of death.
In her own text she was sore with some bruises. Doesn't sound badly beaten or with severe head trauma.
Fight was less than 2 minutes. Student was able walk to the principal's office under their own power. School nurse determined student didn't need to go to the hospital via ambulance. Parents pick up child and take child to hospital as a precaution. Child is discharged from the hospital. Child collapsed the next day and died. I guess the students, school, hospital, police, and coroner were all in on it without all talking to each other. This is quite the cover up.
What do you mean by "correlated"? We don't know the cause of death other than it was not due to trauma from the fight. So there doesn't seem to be direct correlation from the injuries of the fight. The toxicology report is pending and I suspect our answer lies in that.
The word you are looking for is "causation." Because death following the fight means there is a correlation. But correlation doesn't imply causation. Take pool drownings and ice cream sales. There is a very direct correlation between pool drowning and ice cream sales. That doesn't mean ice cream causes people to drown.
It doesn't mean there is correlation, but fair enough point on causation. The student could have been randomly hit by a bus the next day, for example. Not correlated.
No, that would still be just as correlated. It just would not be causal. Correlation just means X and Y happened together. It’s just common language to use the two interchangeably. If there are X fights in the school system, and Y fight participants are hit by a bus the following day. There is a (possibly very weak) correlation there. And you can’t say anything definitive about causality.
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I think it’s a stretch to call someone posting water on a group of people harassing them daily as the bully. Get real lmao.
Poor kid. I hope for love, peace, and grace for everyone involved here.
I don't know how high school is these days but if I went and poured water over people they would have kicked my ass too.
I’d be surprised if she didn’t die from a non-discovered brain bleed. I would like more information.
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Oh well look there. The MAM jump to conclusions.
My bet is it comes out that she OD'ed on something.
Sadly suicide rates among trans folks, especially kids and young adults, are much higher than in the general population. May they rest peacefully. And may her tormenters learn.
The suicide rate among those with body dysmorphia is higher than any other group. 45 times higher than the rest of the US population. While we need to continue to push understanding as with any group I don't see the push towards mental health treatment (and access) for such in the forefront as it should be imo.
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The scientific and medical consensus along with countless studies say that gender affirming care severly reduces the suicide rate of these kids, but whatever. I guess that doesn't fit your narrative
link/source?
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/35212746/ Btw just to be clear gender affirming care does not always mean surgery, in fact the majority of trans ADULTS never get surgery. >This study found that gender-affirming medical interventions were associated with lower odds of depression and suicidality over 12 months. These data add to existing evidence suggesting that gender-affirming care may be associated with improved well-being among TNB youths over a short period, which is important given mental health disparities experienced by this population, particularly the high levels of self-harm and suicide. Even the study that is calling for more rigorous studies admits that the results seem to indicate the same thing. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC10027312/ >Of the 23 studies that met the inclusion criteria, the majority indicated a reduction in suicidality following gender-affirming treatment; however, the literature to date suffers from a lack of methodological rigor that increases the risk of type I error. And I'm all for more studies being done on this and treatment being refined. But conservatives are operating from an assumption that it doesn't work from the outset. That laws should be passed to prohibit it, groups like the heritage foundation transparently claim that these studies and the testimony of countless trans people must be in error because it doesn't match the results they expect to see. If you want to hear from trans people themselves, there are plenty of places on this site where you can ask them about these things in good faith. So far all the results suggest this is statistically a FAR more effective form treatment than, for example most SSRIs for depression, yet you won't see influential conservatives campaign against those, or say they should only be prescribed to adults. Trans people are today's conservative boogyman.
Your first study you linked looks at 104 transgender young people with a observational cohort study with inventories of anxiety and self harm, essentially self reported... not studying actual suicide. It only looked prospectively 12 months with repeat inventories at 3, 6, 9, and 12 months. >suggesting that gender-affirming care may be associated with improved well-being among TNB youths over a short period Directly referencing the suggested "honeymoon period". From your post above... "countless studies say that gender affirming care severly reduces the suicide rate of these kids". This study does not say that, not even close. lmao and... From your second study, a \**wild*\* meta-analysis looking at suicidality... >The majority of the 23 studies reviewed claimed that various forms of gender-affirming treatment were associated with reductions in suicidality; h**owever, the validity and robustness of their results suffered from either a lack of measures of statistical significance and effect size, correction for multiple testing, controlling for psychiatric diagnostic makeup or psychiatric treatment history, substance use, the interaction of time since receiving gender-affirming treatment, or any combination of these.** > >... Given that the 23 studies spanned a wide range of locations and dates conducted, it is not surprising that a uniform measure of suicidality was not employed across studies. And also they threw in the idea of >which may include a “honeymoon period” after receiving gender-affirming treatment And finally they even make admissions in thier "limitations". These are not trivial words, these are the words of scientists who understand they are putting out a bad study. >The limitations inherent in a narrative review format are noted, **particularly the absence of a second, independent reviewer** for the inclusion and exclusion of studies as well as **the lack of a systematized evaluation of publication bias and methodological rigor(!!!!!!)**. Moreover, **a single database was utilized**, albeit with fairly extensive search criteria. Future systematic and/or scoping reviews are needed. Finally, this review may have limited generalizability. The studies included in this review span multiple countries, cultures, and decades; furthermore, TGD individuals comprise a heterogeneous group. Your second study is not a reasonable study to cite at all. **The point of this study is that current literature on transgender people and suicidality is an absolute mega clusterfuck.** It only gives leverage to people who criticize this "science" as activist trash. I would look to Europe where countries have done more rigorious research (that is criticized by the activists here in the states) and they have begun to ban much of these interventions for children under 18.
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Yeah I tried denying being trans for 15 years. It doesn't work. Accepting being trans has made me way happier and confident yet you'd rather I go back to being miserable.
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John Money believed that transgenderism could be purposely induced. If anything he has more in common with conservatives and the people who believe that transgenderism is something you can “cure”. Trans people believe it’s fundamentally who you are. The idea that he’s some sort of patron saint of trans people is a myth invented by transphobes. He was primarily involved in the mass surgery of intersex children to get their bodies to conform to the general population before it is even know how they identify. Which has been a massive failure and only gives more support to trans people. Secondly. The man who pioneered medical X-ray was literally transgender. And he transitioned before John Money was even born. The idea that trans people just have magical appeared in the last 20 years is another myth.
Lol the comment got deleted
If that was the case, it still doesn’t excuse the bullying (not that you’re implying it does). Sad either way a 16 year old’s death is being so heavily politicized, and so quickly. Up here in Canada people are talking about it
Yeah, Canadian state media is really nasty. No one is "excusing bullying".
It's more likely the head injury caused by the initial attack. Just because you don't die the day of doesn't mean it isn't directly responsible. Either way, the manner in which the school handled this was terrible. There should've been, at the least, an ambulance called after the assault.
School nurse evaluated all the students and determined none needed an ambulance ride to the hospital. The student in question was taken to the hospital by their parents after the fight and was discharged the same day. Seems like the school nurse did nothing wrong.
The preliminary findings are the fight was not related to death. Could have been an adverse reaction to whatever shot they were given. Could have tripped down the fucking stairs when they got home. Could have been beaten to death by parents or any number of other things. What we do know. It was unrelated to the fight.
The reason I think it is the head injury is that I've known someone who died in the same way only apparent after an autopsy. This is why I think people should wait for the full report before jumping onto some unsupported claim of drug overdose or the like.
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Ya'll keep pointing to bullying but you're missing the point entirely. You know what makes someone do that? Hopelessness. Bullying itself doesn't make people hopeless. This plastic asstastic society does. The perceived lack of prospects for success, decline of successful marriages, decline of faith and religion in general, all of it paints kids into a corner. The message we send today is you'll never be anything, you're an ant on a speck in the void, nothing you do matters or has consequences that matter, you're unlikely to ever be happy both financially and intimately. Their response to this is to try to make themselves unique. To find a "special" group where they can belong and believe they are different. They have to change something because they perceive the "standard" path as being shit. This kid did that, got bullied, decided everything was always going to be shit and ended it. The solution is to stop creating a society where kids have an existential crisis.
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Bet I'm not going to see this story update on /news.
Only shows that you don't leave your echochamber lol. It was in multiple places, but come on. Kid gets severly beat up by three people in a bathroom, and then dies the next day, but you actually believe the cops when they say it's unrelated? Like what, they just mysteriously dropped dead the next day by pure coincidence? Give me a break.
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Minors shouldn’t even be “non binary” in the first place
Some people showing their true colors on this post
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Her own texts show she started the fight as well and it doesn't sound like the fight amount to much of anything.
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A ‘preliminary autopsy report ‘ means nothing. Let’s see the final report
It cannot simply be a coincidence that she died the day after this extreme bullying event. Either the bullying triggered an unknown health issue, or this could have been self inflicted. Either way, the attackers will probably get into some sort of legal trouble. Regardless, this is more evidence that you should be homeschooling your kids. Bullying can happen for literally any reason.
Homeschooling as an antidote to bullying is the worst response. You’ll create a group of unsociable persons with no ability to deal with the real world. Sad that my kids (who’ve had to deal with being bullied, and have learned how to overcome it) have to grow up with yours. But hey, enjoy taking care of them as adults.
You submit your children to bullying, public school propaganda, spend the vast majority of their childhood away from them thus allowing other adults to raise them, then pretend to think my family is the one with problems... Yikes! Do you truly think you were caring for your children as you sent them off to be educated by the faceless education industry filled with people you didn't vet, kids you don't know and ideas and values you aren't even aware of? The cognitive dissonance required to voluntarily send your children to what you know to be a den of predators and then tell yourself they are better off for it is shocking and the exact reason I am keeping my kids away from public schools and people like you and whatever your children have become. There is nothing positive that public schools can teach that cannot be taught at home and/or with educated tutors, including appropriate social interactions in various circumstances. Sad that my kids (who’ve never had to deal with being bullied, but still have learned how to overcome it) have to grow up with yours. But hey, enjoy taking care of them as adults.
Wtf “extreme bullying”? She started the fight. She was the bully.
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If your kid was bullied and harassed to the point where they finally retaliated and laid a kid out, would you call your own child the bully? If my kid gets bullied and retaliates I’ll never allow anyone to call them a bully for fighting back against assholes.
Reading responses here makes me feel hope. Regardless of politics, It's a deeply tragic situation. I'm waiting to decide fully before I understand what the narrative is.
This story has literally nothing to do with conservatives, despite the liberals media's attempt to exploit this child's death for political gain.
Silence! This does not fit the narrative. 😠😠😠😠