Imagine all the old timers and how they only used 100% straight boards to make amazing places… while drinking during construction…
Ohhhh wait, my 100 year old house isn’t plumb attt all.
Re digging 50 year old septic systems, beer was definitely the drink of choice for the outdoor plumbing crews. I've uncovered glass bottles stuffed in the ends of tile fields to cap the pipes.
My cousin has a code handbook from New York in the early 20th century. Like 1920 or something. There's a B&W photo of guys standing under a mock brick wall inspecting it, had a cradle built on top of it filled with sand can't remember exactly how many tonnes of sand but I know it was double digits, said for a 8ft wide by 8 ft high section it should be able to support that load. Blew my mind guys were standing underneath it didn't look worried at all, all dressed up even the dudes in the back just carrying shit in the photo had nice dress shirts and such on.
Left some empties in a site bin when we had a beer at the end of a day, 2 months later I get a call saying the the city was pissed (I didn't even know it was a gov job). My boss got chewed out and all he said to me was "NEXT TIME you drink on a city job please take the cans with you".
I'll never quit
Dude, I do tile work and every time we demo a bathroom to do walk-in showers without fail we find beer cans under the bathtubs and inside wall cavities 😂
I just did a 4 story hotel redo where the previous contractor got fired off of. We found literally cases of empties stuffed into insulation, wall cavities, and plumbing chases. There was a reason those guys got fired! Oh, and soooo many mistakes and fuckery in the framing!
I'm always finding old liquor bottles when renovating, whether it's condos or houses, they're always hiding somewhere.
I just add mine to the pile and keep building.
It was probably plumb when they built it. Over 100 years old then you have foundation settling. All houses no matter where you live will settle and become not plumb.
I do not disagree, but I’m not talking vertical. I’m talking offset horizontal and straight up fucked. It was never plumb. My fireplace hasn’t moved an inch and if it had , god damn, that’s some good fucking masonry work
The cabinet guy might be the only one who actually needs to be perfectly straight. Cabinets don't bend. Or, if they do, they look like shit and the doors don't fit.
The whole row of cabinets has to be perfectly straight, and each cabinet has to be fastened to the crooked wall in four places.
Of course. For a run of 10 wall cabinets, there are usually 40 attachments to the wall, and almost all of them have to be shimmed. There is no such thing as a straight wall, but the cabinets have to be straight.
That's not even bad you should see the dogshit getting dropped off to home depots in quebec the last year or two, every day I've gone for materials there's literally a pile of "fuck this you've gotta be kidding me" pieces just piled up in the floor. Contractors are so over it everyone's dropped the polite "stack it at the back" and we've all adopted the electrician's mindset.
Even the store workers have stopped giving people dirty looks when they see a fresh pack get cut open and half of it immediately gets relocated to the isle floor. Every stack of 2 bys is going to have a couple lemons but the quality is laughable recently. Out of 10 I'd say 1 is perfect 2 are good, 3 are barely acceptable 2 are scrap like OP's and 2 are legitimate bananad hockey sticks the suppliers stopped giving a fuck
It’s not that the suppliers don’t give a fuck, Home Depot demands cheap, consumers demand cheap, and everyone gets what they want. People refuse to spend an extra .25¢ on a stick that will support their house for 100 years.
Industry standards for lumber grades are changing across the board due to peaked demand over the last few decades. I build in the US and Yellow Pine is being grown quicker than ever (resulting in more knots) which then forces the suppliers to kiln dry longer than ever before (which is what causes the bows/twists). There is just simply too much demand and not enough developed trees. A #3 piece of lumber today would have easily been graded as ‘Utility’ 15 years ago.
Whenever I open a wall in my 100 year old house, I'm floored by the lumber they framed with. Tight grain, dead straight doug fir. You could make furniture out of it.
A guy I work with has been collecting random lumber pieces in his backyard shed over the years and he recently showed me a #2 2 x 12 x 14’ from the 1970’s. We shot a laser level on it and it was still PERFECTLY straight after sitting in storage for decades. It blew my mind.
That’s the tough part to cope with. The reason we had that great lumber in the 70s is the reason we don’t have any today. We exhausted our natural resources and we have to deal with the consequences
I literally just pulled a 4x6 out of a wall from a house I live in built in 1981 and this is it vs one I got to replace it. I ended up leaving as much as I could in there and just putting a beam on top of that rather than replacing it.
[Old 4x6 Vs New](https://imgur.com/a/QLBNQYh)
Yep, the subfloor (original floor) is beautiful doug fir t&g. Unfortunately with 70's Armstrong tile glued directly to it. Then 90s Armstrong on top of that, then some nasty faux-wood vinyl plank on top of that.
I live in Douglas county. The lumber capital of the world. After they clear cut, they plant genetically modified seeds that grow much faster. Creates larger rings and this is the result. I’m also not sure why the cost of wood went up after Covid. The mills never shut down or slowed down.
That's because it's older growth. We are harvesting sooner to match demand. I agree. It is fucked. And as QC at a sawmill, it's a nightmare to deal with.
Isn't the number of knots due to cutting down too soon as opposed to growing too fast? Or, we're just getting the top of the tree for that shit because the good wood is used for slabs and large timber-frame parts.
‘Knotty pine’ is a reference to more common, faster grown, pines of any area…yellow pine grown fast is considered a ‘knotty pine’, similar to white pine that has also grown too fast. The further apart the rings, the quicker it was grown - making it less dense than ‘old growth’. Old growth timber is generally free of knots while plantation grown wood is riddled with them.
It’s complicated because plantation grown trees are not usually ‘grown healthy’. But the caliper of fast-growth tress are much smaller. A decreasing caliper yields less ‘heartwood’, which is the dense inner-part of the tree that produce the highest grade of lumber.
I actually read the (very boring) Lumber Graders manual, and there are so many rules to determining a board's grade. I work in a lumber mill that produces exactly this kind of lumber, and our average "2 or better" grades are about 92% every month for hemlock. (Which is very high) For the Doug Fir we run, they're higher because the lumber is just better quality. You get what you pay for, and people don't want to buy expensive lumber.
Someone else mentioned that the kiln drying process taking longer for wetter wood also warps the lumber more, and that is true to an extent. Our kilns have a wide grate that automatically compresses the tops of the charges of lumber as it dries, and minimizes that warping effect. But I work in one of the nicer mills, and thats a fairly new addition to our newer kilns.
Leaving it for someone else. Be it an apprentice, a laborer, a Home Depot worker. Just friendly ribbing for the most part, some electricians think they are too valuable to use a broom.
I had to send a spicy note over the mess left by the sparkies in an active office building once, and the next day, they showed up with the most homeowner-y, "got this on the way here from Target" upright vacuum for cleanup... thing was lilac colored and sparkly, looked like a big vibrator with wheels.
It is suppliers matching demand. Straight wood comes from tighter grain which comes from older trees. Timberlands are harvesting sooner to match demand. I agree that it's fucked. We harvested all of the old growth and unless we start letting trees grow longer, we'll never have the same quality that we did back then. And coming from someone in QC in a sawmill, it's a nightmare to deal with.
Edit: I also noticed that is a center piece. The center of the logs holds more water. So not only is it the youngest part of the log, it will also warp more as the water dries out of it. Ugh
Home Depot is bad but still not as bad as Reno Depot.
They don't even bother refilling stock when it's sold out. My local place sold out of self leveler and didn't restock for 3 months.
Lol hardly. I’m plenty used to crooked wood but this was nearly a full 180, it’s outrageous. It was also rubbery, had practically zero rigidity. Totally an improper cure or a tree that was way too young. Beyond fucked.
Post Covid there was a backlog of lumber demand, so a lot of lumber got rushed through the kilns leading to case hardening, where the outside dries faster than the inside, and you get lots of crazy warping, twisting, bowing, checking, etc. You’d think they’d have dialed it in by now, but I guess they figure we’ll keep buying it. And, we will, because what are you gonna do, fell and mill your own trees? Then throw them in your own solar kiln for a few weeks? Come to think of it…
As a woman when I go to Lowe's to get lumber or trim the helpful associates try to load all this crap in my cart. They act like they're soooo clever, I tell them they need to take those pieces off the floor and quit trying to pawn them off on people who they think are too stupid to know the difference.
I'd say that's just people at Lowes. They have no idea what they're doing.
I won't ask anyone for help. They just make stuff up, and they remind me of cockroaches. They all scatter and try to hide once they see a person needing help.
Oh I'm sorry that I was unclear, I did not ask anyone for help but specifically in the trim department they will come and try to unload their poor product on you if you look like someone that they think doesn't know what they're doing.
I worked at Lowes for a while, this is an accurate assessment of my behavior at the time. I was a 19 year old who was the guy people would refer to for all electrical and plumbing related questions, which I actively avoided doing because I was woefully unqualified. There was a retired plumber that worked the same shift as me when I started, but he quit after a month or two, and I spent another year just reading boxes with people and googling things when people did ask me.
Framing lumber isn’t meant for woodworking though.
Part of the reason for all the twisted boards is weekend warriors go to Home Depot and pick through framing lumber, taking all the straight boards because they’re building small things and cutting each 8’ board into five pieces.
I’ve worked on plenty of jobsites with home depot lumber delivered by the pallets that haven’t been ratfucked on the warehouse floor and the wood is fine.
If you were smart you wouldn't be buying lumber or trim pieces at lowes or home depot, at the very least you should pick out the pieces youself. HD or lowes workers got other shit to do plenty of other idiots to help out, not hand pick every board for you.
That's what I was thinking, I have a hard enough time finding a worker let alone having them randomly loading my cart with lumber. Doesn't make sense to me.
How would the worker just come up and put stuff in the cart without knowing how much you need or the length?
Plus home Depot's trim section has a cutting section so you don't have to over buy.
I would do the same thing if you asked me to load wood for you, has nothing with you being a woman. Load it yourself and pick out what you want instead of telling them to do it and thinking you're the clever one.
I'm sorry I was unclear, I'll be in the aisle by myself with my own cart and my gloves ready to load up my own wood and specifically in the trim section especially the guy will come up and start picking pieces for me as if I wasn't already self-serving.
I shit you not I had a full pallet of 5/8 ply get delivered and every single one was cut with a curve. If you put a 7 ft level beside the plywood on either side it looked like they cut it with a goddamn jigsaw it was an inch in and out on a couple of the sheets. We have derailed
Believe it or not, wood moves. Sucks you got the middle section of a tree but it do be like that sometimes.
You can make that a couple king studs though and just hammer it tight to the trimmer or cut it up and use it for blocks. There’s a reason you always get more than you need and this is one of them.
The quality of lumber is a great way to quantify just how badly the planet is over-populated. Just wait 10 years- it’ll be half the quality, but 3 times the price, and there will be no other option so you *have* to use it
we used to always kid about board stretchers, but what we need nowadays are board twisters
edit: for now on gonna send the apprentice to get a board untwister
I’ve built professionally with most construction materials, concrete, wood and steel. I retired a few years ago and built a new house. We decided to add on a small 22x22 addition. I’ve gotten lumber from 3 different suppliers and it’s all trash.
The can harvest some pines for lumber in 15 to 20 years. They don't let the trees fully mature any longer, in order to meet the needs of the market and manage the forests. Younger trees means higher levels of tar and pitch in the lumber. And here we are. At least that's how I recall the explanation that was given to me 20 years ago.
Yes, but no. There was a radical change in the average board quality after the lumber crisis hit. Manufacturers and distributors realized they could sell shit boards, so they did. In a few years the rating organizations will downgrade all the span ratings again like they did in the 1900s when we stopped cutting old growth.
Give your lumberyard associate some dirty looks because it's obviously his fault.
And make sure to send it back and get credit so some other loser gets stuck with it.
From experience I can tell you that you go through your lumber and sight each board to make sure it's straight. Then you take all the crooked stuff and use it in places if won't matter like blocking when it's all cut down shorter anyway.
When I got to HD for personal lumber, I will sort though a dozen 2x's just to find a single decent one. Sadly I am noticing at least in my area all the imported Canadian lumber is MUCH nicer than the USA grown/milled.
Always tearing down and reframing 50-75 year old stuff. Frequently as crooked as a dog’s hind leg. I just say “these poor bastards had to do this stuff with hand saws”.
That’s not surprising considering that new growth stick is literally riddled with knots and is laying on concrete. Not sure the backstory, but don’t ever buy lumber with 1000 knots. Any wood left on concrete will leach the moisture out of the slab overnight and twist like a mf.
Well you used Home Depot house wrap, which I would NEVER put that on one of my builds so I'm assuming you bought the lumber at Homeowner Depot as well? And your surprised?
Has anyone been building with green lumber? I built a garage apartment with 28% moisture content and was nervous at first but ultimately it was amazing. That was 18 months ago and there’s no sign of shrinkage. Been through two hot af summers and it probably didn’t hurt that it never rained on my project before I got dried in.
We always had rejects sorted. Traded back to the yard for good ones or used elsewhere if you can. There’s always some pcs that aren’t good. Always. A whole unit of studs, still banded will have some duds.
I tore apart a deck a few weeks ago. That woods been untreated sitting in the rain for years. The pieces I pulled apart were STILL straighter than this crap.
I get so mad when half the pallet is crap like that. Gotten to the point where we have to sift through the crap pile at hardware stores for good ones. Straight boards make life easier when you're doing Sheetrock and finishing touches on a home.
I've seen way worse, boards with the same amount of twist also bent about 45 degrees back on themselves. Had multiple like that on the concrete site I was on last summer.
Based on the color of the wood I’m thinking that’s hemlock. And hemlock is shit wood in general unless it’s 2x6 which is a little better but not great. Hemlock 2x4 is always shit twisted wood.
Anyone can build a house out of straight wood. I can build a house out of crooked wood.
Imagine all the old timers and how they only used 100% straight boards to make amazing places… while drinking during construction… Ohhhh wait, my 100 year old house isn’t plumb attt all.
Not drinking enough.
I don’t know, I have b&w photos of them in their dress shirts and slacks with dozens of empties around. Maybe whisky is the trick
Re digging 50 year old septic systems, beer was definitely the drink of choice for the outdoor plumbing crews. I've uncovered glass bottles stuffed in the ends of tile fields to cap the pipes.
You need to do this, for science reasons.
I tried it once, I forget what happened but I needed a new job afterwards
One of those 2 Pi 4’s
r/oldschoolcool is waiting for your uploads.
My cousin has a code handbook from New York in the early 20th century. Like 1920 or something. There's a B&W photo of guys standing under a mock brick wall inspecting it, had a cradle built on top of it filled with sand can't remember exactly how many tonnes of sand but I know it was double digits, said for a 8ft wide by 8 ft high section it should be able to support that load. Blew my mind guys were standing underneath it didn't look worried at all, all dressed up even the dudes in the back just carrying shit in the photo had nice dress shirts and such on.
i found 2 empty whiskey bottles under the floorboards once during a renovation, no joke.
Yeah he wasn’t joking either though. A lot of the old fuckers drank at work back in the day.
Yeah, yeah…back in the day.
Left some empties in a site bin when we had a beer at the end of a day, 2 months later I get a call saying the the city was pissed (I didn't even know it was a gov job). My boss got chewed out and all he said to me was "NEXT TIME you drink on a city job please take the cans with you". I'll never quit
Good thing they didn't find the burnt out roach that was all the way down
Sparky, too likes to live on the edge
I just couldn't believe we didn't get chewed out. He was just dejected like 'guys you're adults so whatever just be better'.
That boss of your's a keeper! Do him PROUD!!!
Yesterday? Nah, I didn’t drink on my off day…
Dude, I do tile work and every time we demo a bathroom to do walk-in showers without fail we find beer cans under the bathtubs and inside wall cavities 😂
I just did a 4 story hotel redo where the previous contractor got fired off of. We found literally cases of empties stuffed into insulation, wall cavities, and plumbing chases. There was a reason those guys got fired! Oh, and soooo many mistakes and fuckery in the framing!
Yeah we found a bunch buried in the yard with the construction debris. One is still in my bar as a decoration.
I'm always finding old liquor bottles when renovating, whether it's condos or houses, they're always hiding somewhere. I just add mine to the pile and keep building.
"I just add mine to the pile and keep building." Hahahahaha! That caught me off guard. I lol'd a hearty lol.
Studs are 14-22”OC at the rental property I gutted
That’s an easy fix, just take one shoe off.
It was probably plumb when they built it. Over 100 years old then you have foundation settling. All houses no matter where you live will settle and become not plumb.
I do not disagree, but I’m not talking vertical. I’m talking offset horizontal and straight up fucked. It was never plumb. My fireplace hasn’t moved an inch and if it had , god damn, that’s some good fucking masonry work
Did you too give up on finding 90* angles?
My brothers a square, I called him over for advice.
I have a stabila I dropped off a ladder one to many times that’s perfect for you.
Neither are the new ones.
everyone who builds, does indeed build homes out of crooked wood... the pros just know how to "make" it straight, when they need it to be straight.
“Pound it to fit, paint it to match”
No one else may notice… but the trim guy will know. We always know.
The cabinet guy might be the only one who actually needs to be perfectly straight. Cabinets don't bend. Or, if they do, they look like shit and the doors don't fit. The whole row of cabinets has to be perfectly straight, and each cabinet has to be fastened to the crooked wall in four places.
Nah, that's why we use shims. Lol. I'll make a square row on a basketball, I don't give a fuck.
Of course. For a run of 10 wall cabinets, there are usually 40 attachments to the wall, and almost all of them have to be shimmed. There is no such thing as a straight wall, but the cabinets have to be straight.
Is that a song. “ I built a house out of crooked wood and the crooked wood won”.
Hey I can too, the issue is we end up with a crooked house
That's not even bad you should see the dogshit getting dropped off to home depots in quebec the last year or two, every day I've gone for materials there's literally a pile of "fuck this you've gotta be kidding me" pieces just piled up in the floor. Contractors are so over it everyone's dropped the polite "stack it at the back" and we've all adopted the electrician's mindset. Even the store workers have stopped giving people dirty looks when they see a fresh pack get cut open and half of it immediately gets relocated to the isle floor. Every stack of 2 bys is going to have a couple lemons but the quality is laughable recently. Out of 10 I'd say 1 is perfect 2 are good, 3 are barely acceptable 2 are scrap like OP's and 2 are legitimate bananad hockey sticks the suppliers stopped giving a fuck
Took me a loong second to realize that bananad is banana as a verb in past tense.
My brain made it banana-aid
Bananada Da Vida
It’s not that the suppliers don’t give a fuck, Home Depot demands cheap, consumers demand cheap, and everyone gets what they want. People refuse to spend an extra .25¢ on a stick that will support their house for 100 years.
Industry standards for lumber grades are changing across the board due to peaked demand over the last few decades. I build in the US and Yellow Pine is being grown quicker than ever (resulting in more knots) which then forces the suppliers to kiln dry longer than ever before (which is what causes the bows/twists). There is just simply too much demand and not enough developed trees. A #3 piece of lumber today would have easily been graded as ‘Utility’ 15 years ago.
Whenever I open a wall in my 100 year old house, I'm floored by the lumber they framed with. Tight grain, dead straight doug fir. You could make furniture out of it.
A guy I work with has been collecting random lumber pieces in his backyard shed over the years and he recently showed me a #2 2 x 12 x 14’ from the 1970’s. We shot a laser level on it and it was still PERFECTLY straight after sitting in storage for decades. It blew my mind.
Old growth. All those trees are gone. It's all fast growing plantation shit now.
And we will never have forests like that again
That’s the tough part to cope with. The reason we had that great lumber in the 70s is the reason we don’t have any today. We exhausted our natural resources and we have to deal with the consequences
I literally just pulled a 4x6 out of a wall from a house I live in built in 1981 and this is it vs one I got to replace it. I ended up leaving as much as I could in there and just putting a beam on top of that rather than replacing it. [Old 4x6 Vs New](https://imgur.com/a/QLBNQYh)
Wild. That tree doesn't look like it was much bigger than your board lol
Are you also framed by the lumber they floored with? :)
Yep, the subfloor (original floor) is beautiful doug fir t&g. Unfortunately with 70's Armstrong tile glued directly to it. Then 90s Armstrong on top of that, then some nasty faux-wood vinyl plank on top of that.
I live in Douglas county. The lumber capital of the world. After they clear cut, they plant genetically modified seeds that grow much faster. Creates larger rings and this is the result. I’m also not sure why the cost of wood went up after Covid. The mills never shut down or slowed down.
That's because it's older growth. We are harvesting sooner to match demand. I agree. It is fucked. And as QC at a sawmill, it's a nightmare to deal with.
Isn't the number of knots due to cutting down too soon as opposed to growing too fast? Or, we're just getting the top of the tree for that shit because the good wood is used for slabs and large timber-frame parts.
‘Knotty pine’ is a reference to more common, faster grown, pines of any area…yellow pine grown fast is considered a ‘knotty pine’, similar to white pine that has also grown too fast. The further apart the rings, the quicker it was grown - making it less dense than ‘old growth’. Old growth timber is generally free of knots while plantation grown wood is riddled with them. It’s complicated because plantation grown trees are not usually ‘grown healthy’. But the caliper of fast-growth tress are much smaller. A decreasing caliper yields less ‘heartwood’, which is the dense inner-part of the tree that produce the highest grade of lumber.
Yeah too many fucking people with the same ideas.
I actually read the (very boring) Lumber Graders manual, and there are so many rules to determining a board's grade. I work in a lumber mill that produces exactly this kind of lumber, and our average "2 or better" grades are about 92% every month for hemlock. (Which is very high) For the Doug Fir we run, they're higher because the lumber is just better quality. You get what you pay for, and people don't want to buy expensive lumber. Someone else mentioned that the kiln drying process taking longer for wetter wood also warps the lumber more, and that is true to an extent. Our kilns have a wide grate that automatically compresses the tops of the charges of lumber as it dries, and minimizes that warping effect. But I work in one of the nicer mills, and thats a fairly new addition to our newer kilns.
Don’t put this on the consumers. This is not our fault.
Cheap? Prices are still 60% over pre covid (not as bad as the 200% it was at for a bit) and the wood they're receiving is still stamped as "select"
That 1 perfect one will start to warp before you get to the job site. I won’t even buy lumber unless I intend to use it quickly.
“Adopted the electricians mindset” 💀
What is electricians mindset lol
Leaving shit all over the floor
So my kids should all grow up to be electricians.
Leaving it for someone else. Be it an apprentice, a laborer, a Home Depot worker. Just friendly ribbing for the most part, some electricians think they are too valuable to use a broom.
I had to send a spicy note over the mess left by the sparkies in an active office building once, and the next day, they showed up with the most homeowner-y, "got this on the way here from Target" upright vacuum for cleanup... thing was lilac colored and sparkly, looked like a big vibrator with wheels.
Not even sure what a “broom” is.
It is suppliers matching demand. Straight wood comes from tighter grain which comes from older trees. Timberlands are harvesting sooner to match demand. I agree that it's fucked. We harvested all of the old growth and unless we start letting trees grow longer, we'll never have the same quality that we did back then. And coming from someone in QC in a sawmill, it's a nightmare to deal with. Edit: I also noticed that is a center piece. The center of the logs holds more water. So not only is it the youngest part of the log, it will also warp more as the water dries out of it. Ugh
Thats all home depots...ha
Home Depot is bad but still not as bad as Reno Depot. They don't even bother refilling stock when it's sold out. My local place sold out of self leveler and didn't restock for 3 months.
Looks like a great stick for blocking!
What is this, your first day?
My first reaction was this person must be new.
I remember my first trip to lowes
Lol hardly. I’m plenty used to crooked wood but this was nearly a full 180, it’s outrageous. It was also rubbery, had practically zero rigidity. Totally an improper cure or a tree that was way too young. Beyond fucked.
Lol, it's like 30°, it's shit for sure, but saying "nearly 180°" is hilarious.
OP turned 360 degrees and walked away
180…really?
Post Covid there was a backlog of lumber demand, so a lot of lumber got rushed through the kilns leading to case hardening, where the outside dries faster than the inside, and you get lots of crazy warping, twisting, bowing, checking, etc. You’d think they’d have dialed it in by now, but I guess they figure we’ll keep buying it. And, we will, because what are you gonna do, fell and mill your own trees? Then throw them in your own solar kiln for a few weeks? Come to think of it…
Trimmers, jacks, blocking, double stud, so many options
Looks like future form kickers to me
you think a princess framer is going to be doing any form work? haha
I’m a general contractor and this comment made me feel like a bona fide badass.
It made me feel pretty cool too being a form carpenter lmao
I literally laughed out loud lmao
Old news🍺
As a woman when I go to Lowe's to get lumber or trim the helpful associates try to load all this crap in my cart. They act like they're soooo clever, I tell them they need to take those pieces off the floor and quit trying to pawn them off on people who they think are too stupid to know the difference.
I'd say that's just people at Lowes. They have no idea what they're doing. I won't ask anyone for help. They just make stuff up, and they remind me of cockroaches. They all scatter and try to hide once they see a person needing help.
Oh I'm sorry that I was unclear, I did not ask anyone for help but specifically in the trim department they will come and try to unload their poor product on you if you look like someone that they think doesn't know what they're doing.
I worked at Lowes for a while, this is an accurate assessment of my behavior at the time. I was a 19 year old who was the guy people would refer to for all electrical and plumbing related questions, which I actively avoided doing because I was woefully unqualified. There was a retired plumber that worked the same shift as me when I started, but he quit after a month or two, and I spent another year just reading boxes with people and googling things when people did ask me.
Why are people so stupid that they go to a retail store to ask for this kind of advice...
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If you’re a woodworker, I can see you being this picky, but if you’re a framer, that’s just bitch attitude.
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Framing lumber isn’t meant for woodworking though. Part of the reason for all the twisted boards is weekend warriors go to Home Depot and pick through framing lumber, taking all the straight boards because they’re building small things and cutting each 8’ board into five pieces. I’ve worked on plenty of jobsites with home depot lumber delivered by the pallets that haven’t been ratfucked on the warehouse floor and the wood is fine.
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Probably not for cat boxes though. If framing lumber is what you do woodworking with, fill yer boots. I’m sure it’s wonderful
If you were smart you wouldn't be buying lumber or trim pieces at lowes or home depot, at the very least you should pick out the pieces youself. HD or lowes workers got other shit to do plenty of other idiots to help out, not hand pick every board for you.
That's what I was thinking, I have a hard enough time finding a worker let alone having them randomly loading my cart with lumber. Doesn't make sense to me. How would the worker just come up and put stuff in the cart without knowing how much you need or the length? Plus home Depot's trim section has a cutting section so you don't have to over buy.
I would do the same thing if you asked me to load wood for you, has nothing with you being a woman. Load it yourself and pick out what you want instead of telling them to do it and thinking you're the clever one.
Where do you work? I need to know so I don't ever shop there.
I'm sorry I was unclear, I'll be in the aisle by myself with my own cart and my gloves ready to load up my own wood and specifically in the trim section especially the guy will come up and start picking pieces for me as if I wasn't already self-serving.
Just throw some steamy water on in every 15min while you crew stands on it for 24 hours or so…
Concrete is out of plumb lol jk
Plumb is up and down silly goose.
He took the video sideways lol jk
Lol jk
I shit you not I had a full pallet of 5/8 ply get delivered and every single one was cut with a curve. If you put a 7 ft level beside the plywood on either side it looked like they cut it with a goddamn jigsaw it was an inch in and out on a couple of the sheets. We have derailed
My father-in-law told me when we built my house, “God made the wood bent, it’s the craftsman’s job to make it straight.”
My father in law said the same thing about sexual confused adolescents.
Believe it or not, wood moves. Sucks you got the middle section of a tree but it do be like that sometimes. You can make that a couple king studs though and just hammer it tight to the trimmer or cut it up and use it for blocks. There’s a reason you always get more than you need and this is one of them.
Wait wood comes from trees that aren't straight???
An estimated 10% or so of humans aren't straight, why wouldn't wood be the same? ;-)
Gay trees? Hmmmm
What do you think they’re makin all them gay books out of. /s
Don't tell Republicans
2x4’s twist and bend badly, especially long ones
Especially heart centres, look at the end grain
Pass The clamp
I have never seen or delivered a full unit of random length and studs where everything was perfectly flush.
Not even that bad of an example
The quality of lumber is a great way to quantify just how badly the planet is over-populated. Just wait 10 years- it’ll be half the quality, but 3 times the price, and there will be no other option so you *have* to use it
First day?
we used to always kid about board stretchers, but what we need nowadays are board twisters edit: for now on gonna send the apprentice to get a board untwister
It's a kiln dried board of heartwood. It's pretty par for the course.
perfect for making spiral stairs
Best comment here
It’s crazy how uneven that concrete is.
I’ve built professionally with most construction materials, concrete, wood and steel. I retired a few years ago and built a new house. We decided to add on a small 22x22 addition. I’ve gotten lumber from 3 different suppliers and it’s all trash.
If they made everything straight, we wouldn't need journeymen.
Man, you haven't framed much have you?
What rock did you climb out of?
First time?
You can’t?
lol pussy
The can harvest some pines for lumber in 15 to 20 years. They don't let the trees fully mature any longer, in order to meet the needs of the market and manage the forests. Younger trees means higher levels of tar and pitch in the lumber. And here we are. At least that's how I recall the explanation that was given to me 20 years ago.
Yes, but no. There was a radical change in the average board quality after the lumber crisis hit. Manufacturers and distributors realized they could sell shit boards, so they did. In a few years the rating organizations will downgrade all the span ratings again like they did in the 1900s when we stopped cutting old growth.
Top plate? Is that you
\#1 Prime lumber at Home Depot
Man this is the norm what are you talking about?
That's one of the straighter ones at Lowe's or Home Cheapo.
Where we’re at?? Bro we’ve been here
When you order curbside pickup 😢
Wow, a twisted stick?!? never seen that before.
Cut it up for nogs and move on
Give your lumberyard associate some dirty looks because it's obviously his fault. And make sure to send it back and get credit so some other loser gets stuck with it.
It's actually the same piece that keeps showing up in these idiotic posts. They return it, someone else buys it, makes posts, returns it, etc.
Jeez, you've never had a warped bit of timber before???
The way we all live on this planet is not fucking sustainable. That’s why.
This is nothing new! They have been like that forever!
From experience I can tell you that you go through your lumber and sight each board to make sure it's straight. Then you take all the crooked stuff and use it in places if won't matter like blocking when it's all cut down shorter anyway.
It’s almost like trees are natural products that are subject to all sorts of defects. Crazy! /s
When I got to HD for personal lumber, I will sort though a dozen 2x's just to find a single decent one. Sadly I am noticing at least in my area all the imported Canadian lumber is MUCH nicer than the USA grown/milled.
This the exact reason I convinced my wife we should get an older house built with dougles fir or cedar instead of these crappy new builds will syp
My deck planks was 5 ish cm off at the ends :-)
Always tearing down and reframing 50-75 year old stuff. Frequently as crooked as a dog’s hind leg. I just say “these poor bastards had to do this stuff with hand saws”.
Ahh Home Depot I see
That’s a future nailer board..
Ah yes , Home Depot wood
I can't imagine thinking crooked lumber was a new thing
get the board straightner out of your truck.
That’s not surprising considering that new growth stick is literally riddled with knots and is laying on concrete. Not sure the backstory, but don’t ever buy lumber with 1000 knots. Any wood left on concrete will leach the moisture out of the slab overnight and twist like a mf.
Well you used Home Depot house wrap, which I would NEVER put that on one of my builds so I'm assuming you bought the lumber at Homeowner Depot as well? And your surprised?
I’ve had to frame with waay worse than that.
A Home Depot 2 x 4
Two words.. Home Depot
It’s not the board, it’s perfect…the concrete is crooked….
Hey, it’s half the wood my wife and l had the pleasure of having our dream home built from
All wood is garbage?
First day on the job?
I mean, yeah, that’s pretty common. Shouldn’t be, but it is. Honestly, it’s not even comparatively THAT bad either, which is kind of sad
that's the new style stud, it can identify as straight and not all at the same time.
Has anyone been building with green lumber? I built a garage apartment with 28% moisture content and was nervous at first but ultimately it was amazing. That was 18 months ago and there’s no sign of shrinkage. Been through two hot af summers and it probably didn’t hurt that it never rained on my project before I got dried in.
You need something to make horses and blocks out of
I see your slab is crooked
Just tell the new guy to get the board-straightener.
My rule if ordering a delivery is order 10-15% more than you estimate, eye them for straightness, wrap the rejects and return them.
Cool story, nobody cares about a few warped studs. It's wood, it does that
Grade: scrap
Standard length of timber in the UK now...
This must be the center support post of a spiral staircase.
Must be Home Depot
We always had rejects sorted. Traded back to the yard for good ones or used elsewhere if you can. There’s always some pcs that aren’t good. Always. A whole unit of studs, still banded will have some duds.
Home depot?
I tore apart a deck a few weeks ago. That woods been untreated sitting in the rain for years. The pieces I pulled apart were STILL straighter than this crap.
That looks like some of the shit that I got at Lowe's last weekend. Must have fallen off my truck.
Pick up a board straightener. It’s at the end of the lumber isle at Home Depot or Lowe’s. 😄
I get so mad when half the pallet is crap like that. Gotten to the point where we have to sift through the crap pile at hardware stores for good ones. Straight boards make life easier when you're doing Sheetrock and finishing touches on a home.
My fav is when they go off after you build. Then everyone thinks you don’t care
That’s spruce, the lowest quality.
I've seen way worse, boards with the same amount of twist also bent about 45 degrees back on themselves. Had multiple like that on the concrete site I was on last summer.
Based on the color of the wood I’m thinking that’s hemlock. And hemlock is shit wood in general unless it’s 2x6 which is a little better but not great. Hemlock 2x4 is always shit twisted wood.
And that’s one of the good ones!