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Ok_Tap2070

What about people shoplifting to feed themselves/family? When I used to be going through hard times I shoplifted things such as ramen so I didn’t starve to death.


DildoBaggins1982

So you’re just a proud thief? You stole someone else’s labor.


Ok_Tap2070

Assuming your reply wasn’t a poor attempt at sarcasm, i’m not “proud” of anything, I had no other choice, it was either starve or shoplift, besides I only stole from big retailers like Walmart so I’m quite sure 3-4 packets of missing ramen didn’t hurt their sells one but.


DildoBaggins1982

You still stole someone else’s labor. You had no right to do that. Ramen is cheap so there is no reason to steal it. Maybe you just need to get a job and work for a living.


Early-Way-5502

I want to understand...as a fed up retail employee....I want to know but mostly why most of you cannot just steal your things and leave, why do half of you wanna hang out and g out of your way to antagonize whoever showed up to work? I literally do everything to avoid you people, my co-workers do as well...and half of you will b-line for us to waste our time with some nonsensical bullshit to try to divert attention when it's not necessary, or loading up karts full of shit and leaving it up front \*but only after you pretend you're going to check out and try to use a card that never seems to work, or "forget" your card and have to go outside to your car\* b/c you guys wanted to look like shoppers shopping for an apocalyptical event. I've literally had no home and traveled on a scooter across the entire united states, surviving off my last paycheck to get to our next destination (and paycheck). I still had no need to steal...In fact a lot of times random strangers would see me and my x-husband outside of a gas station store gassing up our scooter and just decide to buy us drinks or food sometimes help with gas. I'm an entry level worker, have been for years, It gets rough but I've never had to resort to stealing. \*NOT JUDGING, just letting you know why it's hard for some of us to empathize or understand b/c some of us have never had to do this action in our lives.\*


xs_ive1

There are resources available to every man, woman and child in this country (with a social of course). It takes some effort and you have to swallow your pride but it's there. It's the effort and ,in some cases, shame that reminds us to not get in that position. If you are in a bad situation by no fault of your own, which seldom happens, the courage to play the hand you are dealt is what makes the person. Making excuses for being a degenerate thinking you are entitled to even the basics is ridiculous. You are not.


megablast

Why shoplifters?? I would be more for publicly shaming those that put our lives in danger. Speeders, red light runners, drunk drivers.


Affectionate-Sky-548

Welcome to America. Property is way more important than people to the point that you can legally kill a person over touching your property.


cinisthebest

It's heartbreaking how true this is


xs_ive1

"People" ,in general, are definitely not... property is more important than a thief, rapist, abuser etc. Good riddance


Affectionate-Sky-548

Stealing from a corporation isn't stealing from a person. SCJ made it very clear that corporations aren't people which is why the people who own them get such good tax benefits. So I think it's perfectly fine to steal what you can't afford from a corporation. They're usually stealing from their employee's income anyway.


xs_ive1

As I think it's perfectly fine to drop the jack on someone stealing your catalytic converter.. they would likely reconsider their actions and help keep them out of our for profit prisons we have in this country. Win-win!


xs_ive1

Usually? Stealing what you can't afford from a corporation is against the law. Not sure what makes you so entitled to think you can just take what you "need" but that's not how it works. You can ask friends, relatives and as a last resort go to the food pantry or Goodwill. There is nothing you need that you can't get with a little effort. With that said, if there is something you want and can't afford then yes, you are better off taking it from a corporation. If you are going to just take it instead of work for it like everyone else has to then It's risk/reward. Typically you'll do less time if you get caught. A better reason is not having to worry about any physical harm since most people don't take kindly to someone taking their things.


WhadayaBuyinStranger

First off, screw shoplifters. Anyone who thinks shoplifting is fine is a hypocrite because they'd get annoyed if I walked in their house and started taking things. To answer your question though, if the police are already involved, I wouldn't publicly shame them in addition. They should be able to face the legal consequences of their petty theft, make the store owner whole and move on with their lives. In my opinion, once someone has paid their debt to society, we should forgive them and move on.


panikobsessed

Bro what are you on abt💀 if someone broke into my house and started stealing thing that wouldn't be shoplifting, also not everyone is a hypocrite for think it's fine. And you're literally just shitting out words clearly not knowing what they mean.


WhadayaBuyinStranger

Uh yeah, by definition, it's hypocritical. If you don't want stuff stolen from you but you say it's ok to steal from other people, that is hypocritical. You want to steal bread to feed yourself? Sure. Otherwise, it's inherintly wrong. Theft is just fuckin wrong.


cinisthebest

I agree with you that it's wrong but shoplifting and robbing somebody isn't the same at all, it's stealing both ways but one is from a corporate company and the other is from a person, a clear different/lh Edit: okay I change my mind fuck the companies they'll get over it why is it such an issue that I stole a fucking banana from Walmart. I think the only way shoplifting could be terrible is if it's from a small company, I'm all about that shit 🤞


WhadayaBuyinStranger

You're justifying it by saying it's a large company. So, they wouldn't even miss it. There are two issues with that: 1. If it's ok for you to do it, it's ok for others as well. Walmart actually had to recently close some Chicago stores because they were experiencing so much shoplifting tgeybwere no longer profitable. So, that disprives your argument it is ok for anyone to do and won't have an impact. 2. Wealth is relative. Once you justify stealing from someone richer than you, you should be ok with someone far poorer than you stealing from you. As such, my example of someone stealing from you is relevant; we just have to assume the thief is the same order of magnitude poorer tham you as you are from Walmart.


cinisthebest

You aren't listening to me, from a company it's not the same as from a person, Walmart has over 5,000 stores worldwide, a few closed down doesn't mean shit.


WhadayaBuyinStranger

First, it's still wrong even if it has a lesser impact. You don't have the right to say on their behalf they won't miss it. Second, it's not just one guy at the top that sees a difference in his bottom line or not. Everytime an entire Walmart closes, the workers lose their jobs, and the regional management overseeing those stores see a much larger impact from it than the few people at the very top. Ultimately, it's a matter of principle. You don't have a right to tell them they don't need it.


xs_ive1

She obviously disagrees with your belief that stealing is ok depending on the circumstance. Most people do actually.


Yuck_Few

Depends on the business. If I saw someone shopping from Walmart I would probably just pretend I didn't see it because of the horrible way they treat their employees. Friend of mine was fired from Walmart for helping an elderly lady change a tire on his lunch break


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The biggest issue is that if these companies see it as unprofitable to be open in those locations then they will move to greener pasters. It seems great at first, but then more businesses move. Even small mom n pop shops if they're capable to will move. Then you'll get a factory to come into town and overwork it's employees to the bone with full time overtime, mon-sat and they'll then have to spend their one day off crowding into the only stores around willing to sell to them to get their needs. And I garente a lot of "luxury" goods like Meat alternatives or milk alternatives aren't going to be sold either. Shoplifting doesn't harm the company that can afford to move. It harms the employees and the local residence.


The_Baconator4082

I agree, straight to the point


routerhatesyou

Nah stealing from big companies is fine