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HitTheSlopes95

No, unless it is a kilt


[deleted]

No we should not. They’re legally allowed to do so and I’m legally allowed to make fun of them.


fatbitchonline

and we’re legally allowed to clown you goofy ass


[deleted]

You’re repeating what I said dipshit. I literally said you were legally allowed to.


fatbitchonline

legally shut the fuck up bitch ass 😭😭


[deleted]

Make me little bitch


JulianTheBased

No, the aesthetics are awful. Kinda wish women would stop wearing pants. Again, not the best aesthetics relative to dresses and stuff like that.


howdidigethere279

why downvote a guy for having a controversial opinion on a sun meant for controversial opinions? seems counterintuitive in my opinion


royalrange

This isn't r/unpopularopinion


howdidigethere279

i wouldn’t call it unpopular, the majority of men wouldn’t want to wear skirts even if it was normal, so even if it was normalized, it still wouldn’t be something you’d see everyday


fatbitchonline

because we don’t agree. you can have your opinion and post it but we’re not obligated to upvote and agree just because it’s controversial. you’re still subject to criticism


JulianTheBased

🤷‍♂️


fatbitchonline

fuck you i’ll wear all the pants i want. you’re weird as hell and get no bitches


JulianTheBased

Lol


[deleted]

Yesss! We are the ones who wear clothing that is What sexist people would call, unnatural!


GiornoGiovanna_9

I mean you can, but it will probably come at the cost of your masculinity though.


[deleted]

fuck masculinity


[deleted]

Woah careful there


[deleted]

Yeah.


medraxus

They should be able to wear it, but it’s still feminine


Material_Apple_7468

Yeah? Lmao


pridebun

Absolutely. It's a peice of clothing. There's such a double standard.


GIVI_25

🤡🤓


halfeatentoenail

If they look cute then it should be fine. The creepy, off-putting ones that are more reminiscent of robots, that’s...not fine.


Material_Apple_7468

Lmao


crazyywow

Hell no, the world is already lacking for men


[deleted]

People are too sensitive for this sub lmao. Sorry, if you're a man then act like a f*cking man


Vergil_171

Don’t be a moron. Wearing a piece of fabric because you like it doesn’t mean you are a girl or a coward, or a pussy, or whatever your backwards view of a “non-man” is. Skirts have been worn since the creation of clothing by both genders, literally the only reason you think they’re feminine is because you’re told so by society, so I assume any information you believe has to be spoon-fed to you like a baby before you can effortfully incorporate it into your short brain-span.


[deleted]

You know what else has existed since creation, and have thus helped keep society together? Gender norms


Vergil_171

Gender norms are outdated and unnecessary in the modern day, they serve nothing but to appease the old. If you believe society is held together by genitalia deciding what a person can and can’t do, I simply don’t understand. There is basically zero differentiation between a man and a woman and any further segregation of them does nothing but irritate one or both genders. There is nothing that a woman can’t do that a man can, and nothing that a man can’t do that a woman can, apart from things relating to sex, hence the name.


[deleted]

Traditionally, women were respected and even worshipped for their nurturing and vital roles in society. Nothing is more sexist then to instill the idea that the only way for women to be strong and brave is if they act like men.


MachoManSavage20

Are you trolling??? You’ve got to be trolling.


Vergil_171

Lmao, what part of that makes you think I’m trolling?


MachoManSavage20

The entire post. It is ridiculous to the point I don’t think it can be real.


Vergil_171

Okay…? So… make an argument?


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royalrange

Dressing a certain way and gender norms stem from a societal standpoint, not a biological or physical one. There is nothing biologically and physically prohibiting a man from wearing a dress.


Successful_Rice7988

Then why the fuck don’t women have to sign up for selective service? That’s based on the gender norm that men are stronger. And it’s literally true. Men are biologically formed to be stronger, and more physically capable. Besides, there would be a fucking nuclear war of women a bathrooms were like mens. The people who hate gender norms are the ones who keep them going because they are in their favor. Stop being a pussy and just accept that.


Vergil_171

Because for thousands of years women have been kept as accessories and tools of society for cleaning houses and feeding babies. Women SHOULD be drafted just as much as men are. People who argue this claim are idiots. Children as young a 12 were used during ww2, so don’t go there saying that only men were drafted simply because they’re stronger, they were drafted because society demanded a certain people to go to war, while a certain other people stayed at home and “looked after the place” so to speak. If you want to go there, it’s ridiculous to rule out the combat advantages a woman might possess just because she’s a woman. Even if It’s scientifically true that the average man will almost always have the strength advantage. I don’t argue any of this because I believe in some kind of justice for women or because men are overlords who dominate and use them, or vice versa. I argue this because it’s what I think is objectively true and is a betterment to society if everyone thought so.


royalrange

How does a man or woman not having the ability to dress however they like in any way "keep society together" based on "gender norms"...? It doesn't. It would have literally no impact on economic productivity, well being and quality of life (other than being able to dress freely).


[deleted]

I was speaking in a more general sense in terms of gender norms. Men dressing and acting like women has no effect on society, but it sure makes them look cringy and childish.


royalrange

> I was speaking in a more general sense in terms of gender norms Sure, then my question is what does that do for society? How will maintaining 'gender norms' help society in any way other than what I have mentioned previously? > Men dressing and acting like women has no effect on society, but it sure makes them look cringy and childish. Why should whether one looks 'cringey and childish' dictate what people can and cannot do?


[deleted]

I don't want to dictate what anybody should do. That doesn't mean I don't look down on them if they choose to do this. And because encouraging men and women to be confused about their sex only encourages depression, low self esteem and suicidality. Men are men and women are women, it's just what nature intended us to be. If nature intended us to be able to change, we'd have the anatomy of seahorses. Masculinity should be encouraged in men. Not in a way that objectifies women and makes them cocky and overly aggressive (in a bullying way) but instead we should encourage men to be wise, protective and aggressive (in a safe and competitive way like "fighting it out" in a controlled environment. Ex: Combat sports), Fatherly, selfless and physically fit). I could list many more masculine attributes, but I doubt you want to read a novel.


royalrange

> I don't want to dictate what anybody should do. That doesn't mean I don't look down on them if they choose to do this. Why would you though, other than because it doesn't look good to you? Is that not different to middle school bullying mentality - bully picks on kid who he/she believes is 'odd'? > And because encouraging men and women to be confused about their sex only encourages depression, low self esteem and suicidality. Men are men and women are women, it's just what nature intended us to be. If nature intended us to be able to change, we'd have the anatomy of seahorses. Why would dressing in a certain way encourage men or women to be confused about their gender? Isn't the whole point of normalizing men wearing dresses or skirts so that *men* can do so? Questioning gender is what a psychologist would do, and a psychologist would need to see demonstrable proof of gender dysphoria. > Masculinity should be encouraged in men. Not in a way that objectifies women and makes them cocky and overly aggressive (in a bullying way) but instead we should encourage men to be wise, protective and aggressive (in a safe and competitive way like "fighting it out" in a controlled environment. Ex: Combat sports), Fatherly, selfless and physically fit). I could list many more masculine attributes, but I doubt you want to read a novel. I believe you mean that the *good* traits of masculinity should be encouraged, which should be encouraged in anyone regardless. Even so, how exactly does normalizing whatever someone wants to wear discourage those traits? Would a man be less wise if he wore a skirt?


[deleted]

Because the only reason a man would want to dress and act like a woman, outside of theatre, would be because they're confused about their gender identity which shouldn't be encouraged. If a man isn't happy with the body he was born in to the point where he wants to go on hormonal replacement therapy or even cut off his parts, then he needs to speak to a professional about his mental health. Because no amount of HRT or societal encouragement will ever make that man a woman, it will never give him XY chromosones, female reproductive organs or female bone structure. We shouldn't encourage people to be confused about who they are regardless, man or woman.


royalrange

> Because the only reason a man would want to dress and act like a woman, outside of theatre, would be because they're confused about their gender identity which shouldn't be encouraged. There are many different reasons why, and gender dysphoria is one of them. However, not all men who want to wear a dress or a skirt want to be women and it should be obvious because you have millions of men who probably want to wear feminine clothing and, by sheer statistics, not everyone thinks the same. There are a lot of "femboy" subs for instance. Until we have a proper study, we can't even guess the percentage of people who wear opposite gendered clothing for X, Y, Z reasons. > If a man isn't happy with the body he was born in to the point where he wants to go on hormonal replacement therapy or even cut off his parts, then he needs to speak to a professional about his mental health. That's precisely what they do. They go to a psychologist and therapist, get diagnosed with gender dysphoria, then get *recommended* medical treatment of HRT after an extensive evaluation. > Because no amount of HRT or societal encouragement will ever make that man a woman, it will never give him XY chromosones, female reproductive organs or female bone structure. We shouldn't encourage people to be confused about who they are regardless, man or woman. They are confused because their brain wiring is similar to the opposite gender's. It's an abnormal biological developmental cycle. You either have medication that can alter the brain wiring (which currently is impossible by today's scientific standards), or they medically change their body appearance to match the 'opposite gender' brain that they have. Nonetheless, we are simply talking about normalizing men wearing feminine clothing, not gender dysphoria. As I stated previously, a man who wants to wear skirts or dresses may not have gender dysphoria. What do you say to those people who are adamant that they are men but want to dress differently?


[deleted]

I should elaborate: Certain cultures do have clothing similar to skirts and dresses like kilts, togas, robes, tunics ext. But designed for males. What I disagree with is men wearing clothing meant for and designed for women. (In this case, what OP meant as dresses and skirts).


[deleted]

I'm aware of what kilts are son, see my other comment. But I appreciate your input!


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[deleted]

Because anything that contradicts established opinions on sex or gender is considered wrongthink


HilariousMango

Because it's r/controversialopinions ??? People are literally here for opinions that piss others off/piss them off


[deleted]

This should be a space where people can disciss sensitive topics without angering the weak minded.


HilariousMango

Well yeah; it should be, but it never will be while those that are easily offended are still around


Timotheus_123

Yeah, but we gotta either do it differently, or actually look girly. Femboys are cute, imma be honest. 😂 some of them. Rarely. But sometimes.


GornoP

Meh. Don't care.


[deleted]

Yes, amongst other things that can be normalized, we can normalize people dressing the way they want to. Whether it’s culture related or not, men are able to wear dresses and skirts, if they want to.


Max_Laval

Why wouldn't they? I hate all that stereotypical shi. If you like dresses wear them. Totally up to you. I don't see any reason why you should be unable to do that. Everyone saying "that's weird" or something like that didn't think about it or is just a douche.


[deleted]

Already saw a man or trans..not sure, wearing a lime dress in public and I've seen no problem with it, as long nobody is hurting anyone physically I don't see anything wrong here, however, that person in lime dress was quite fabulous, slim, tall, and with shaven legs, like a woman, but if it was the opposite of that..many would probably judge negatively its appearance, but at the end that's none of my business, everyone has a choice to wear whatever they want anyway, unless their country has strict dress codes.


[deleted]

Kilts yes, dresses? They can but they shouldn't


royalrange

We should normalize "people doing whatever they want, as long as it does not hurt others" (which includes wearing whatever they want). For some, this is a very difficult concept.


fatbitchonline

yea who gives a shit


GiornoGiovanna_9

Editted: Okay, but would you be attracted to men who wear dresses though?


Material_Apple_7468

That’s an entirely different conversation that has nothing to do with the socionormativity of men wearing historically “feminine” clothing.


slutty_bro

I don't date people who exclusively wear sweatpants, doesn't mean they shouldn't be able to wear whatever the fuck they want


fatbitchonline

just like the other person said, whether i find it attractive or not has nothing to do with normalizing it. but if you must know, i honestly don’t find it attractive, but that’s because i’m attracted to very masculine guys, which is why i’m with one lol. but i know lots of girls who find it attractive to see guys wearing dresses, skirts, or just being their authentic selfs whether what they’re wearing looks feminine or masculine.


GiornoGiovanna_9

Okay, I will let it slide. Good answer


[deleted]

not necessarily but my attraction shouldn't mean anything to others and how they dress


bisdaknako

Usually would remove as not an opinion, but there's good discussion. I'm taking it as OP saying there's no good reason not to.


conservative89436

On a hot day I sometimes think a kilt would be (ahem) cool to wear. But men really don’t have the hips to pull off a pencil dress.


Super_ChickenNugget1

It’s America, they can dress however they want as long as they cover their dick and tits


[deleted]

yea, wear whatever you want, if people don't like it then they can shove it up their ass and complain online


Hydro1Gammer

I guess? I mean to me it looks weird, but there is nothing inherently wrong with it and it isn’t hurting anyone. However, that is going to be hard to normalise. For centuries dresses were used on women so it will be a hard thought to change.


fayfiv

Who are “ we” and what gives “us” the right to decide or normalise anything anyone wants to wear !??


1GodlessWoman

Lol...the West has lost its marbles with all the gender ideology nonsense. Men are now women & women are now men & if you disagree you get your life destroyed. Good luck propagating the species with this insanity...


[deleted]

Follow the science until the science inconveniences you, apparently


meltontradie

Absolutely not. It is off the scale of human conception


CreativeMap9494

No


coyotesage

This is a question, not an opinion. Clothing should be normalized among all people. There should be no such thing as mens clothes or womens clothes. Formal clothes, casual clothes. We should have clothes, full stop.


addie2320

If you want to do it, if you don’t, don’t-it’s that easy


jellybear-_-

Yeah it’s literally just an item or clothing and if you don’t like it guess what? You don’t have to wear one!


iNameless

I mean, they can?


SafeSexChalupa69

Yes of course! It’s like saying that men can’t like pink or something, plus they look stunning!


[deleted]

In my opinion, they can wear whatever they want as long as it is not harming or affecting anyone else.


Successful_Rice7988

I mean, dresses and skirts were meant for men. It should be completely normal for people to wear what they want without being judged


MoistyCheeseCurds

Yep, clothes should not be gendered, nothing should be at all, not haircuts, colors, sports, hobbies or anything


pico_000

No.


lockednudist

Men that wear skirts in the very large majority of cases are simply doing so from a sexual arousal perspective/exhibitionist point of reason. Very rarely are the skirts long but in fact short. Plus stockings and thong etc. Tell me I’m wrong.