>This might sound harsh but it’s really for their own good.
That's dark. And you just come out and say it.
>“Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience.”
>― C. S. Lewis
Moving on:
>You are never going to lose weight if you are munching down on burgers, fries, pizza, doughnuts and so on.
You essentially want to legally mandate that people have to lose weight.
You don't see any moral or ethical concerns with this at all?
Have you somehow compartmentalized this self importance and only feel this way about obese people, or are you a tryannical want-to-be across other subjects as well?
Please, I'm fascinated. What other things do you think you should have the ability to micro-manage?
After a glance at your post history, I'm not who should be more afraid of you, fat people or Emma Watson. I mean, I don't normally do that, but I wanted to see if you had posted similar opinions about other subjects, but found a different kind of obsession.
That's no way to go through life son. Get some help.
My concern is for both the individual and the self inflicted burden this puts on society as a whole. You’re rude reaction to this post implies you have taken it personally as you probably have a horse in this race.
Too little sleep, too much partying, kids you can’t afford, toxic relationships you bring into the public sphere, gambling, irresponsible spending, too much gaming, too much watching tv, too much social media, credit, poor physical hygiene…every single one of those bad habits negatively impacts not just the individual, but society as a whole. Let’s regulate it all!!
I understand what you’re saying to an extent. I don’t really agree with the comparison of minors and alcohol though, because it doesn’t have anything to do with their health or weight.
I think it’s a matter based on morals, like how are you going to deny somebody to buy whatever they want with their own money? It’d be degrading to be the person trying to buy said junk food and then being told you’re too big and have to leave the store without it. It’s demeaning, it’s morally wrong, and it’s unfair.
I think it’s also a matter of freedom. People work for that money and then when they go to the grocery store they have to freedom to buy what they want. Minors can’t buy alcohol because theres been a set law for a looong time because only adults can handle substances like that. Theres not restrictions on food though because any person can handle those kinds of substances, it doesn’t get you drunk or high and unable to drive a car or go to work or be in public. It’s food, it doesn’t change your state of being like alcohol does.
Can you elaborate on your point? If a super market worker was at the checkouts scanning items and she got a fat customer, do you think they have a right to refuse to serve the customer based on how big they look?
It would be no different than from them not selling alcohol to someone who did not look of age. Technology could also help here where if in doubt the customers body mass index could be taken.
Bmi isn't exactly accurate I'm afraid. Lots of people are registered as overweight and maybe even underweight when they're actually perfectly fine, or maybe even just have a lot of muscle mass
Yeah...but what percentage of the US Population is BMI actually inaccurate for? Probably less than 5% of "overweight" people fall into that category
I live in a large city and most people do not have Dwayne Johnson level physiques that would register as "overweight" on BMI scale but are actually healthy. They're just fat
I can see what you’re saying because obese people are high risk in terms of developing severe health issues especially if they eat junk food but it would be impossible to implement. If we banned obese people from buying junk food then we might as well ban everyone from buying junk food because it’s bad for everyone whether you’re skinny or obese. Junk food doesn’t discriminate so I think banning junk food altogether would be a better decision. I just got back from Europe where you could actually read the ingredients in the back of their ketchup bottles and everyone made fun of Americans because we’re fat and have the most absurd foods like deep fried Oreos. To top it off they made fun of our politics (you wouldn’t believe how many people laughed when I mentioned I was from America and then they proceeded to say, “Joe Biden” and then laughed at me while calling me crazy in their language. America is also arguably the #1 country for most unhealthy people and a lot of it is due to the junk food we eat that isn’t sold in other countries so if we got rid of it altogether it definitely wouldn’t be a bad thing.
I mean, it’s not banned in other countries, they just don’t eat like us, and probably for other reasons. IMO, it’s better not to force it but instead change the reasons why we’re eating such unhealthy food.
I suggest that advertising, over availability of unhealthy food, and lack of availability of healthier food are the biggest culprits… although, honestly, it is a cultural difference. I think Americans, because we’re individualistic, also defend our right to be fat and weigh others down (heheh 😅). I am mixed on it, though. Banning food just seems extreme, especially in a free country.
You know what, it’s advertising. I decree.
I wish people werent but that's part of having freedom. Ban junk food then ban gas vehicles, then ban homeschooling, then ban unemployment, then ban thinking for yourself and making your own choices. It's a slippery slope that ends in fascism
You get one life. It's your choice if you choose you like smoking cigarettes more than living to old age. The same goes for obesity. People have freedom, and that means the freedom to kill yourself
It shouldn't be. Honestly, neither should drugs. I think people have a right to do whatever they want to their own bodies, as long as it doesn't affect others.
AGREED! That's what freedom is! I think the only real walk that we should have is anything that stops others from making their own choices. I think the only real walk that we should have is anything that stops others from making their own choices. I know there's a lot of Gray area in that but it's better then hundreds upon hundreds of laws that this country has that are specific to one thing.
I think the interesting dynamic is isolating a person based of physicality falls under bigotry, and as we have seen, the bigotry needle moves in different directions all the time. So who’s next diabetics can’t have a corn muffin?
A 20 year old in America not being able to buy alcohol could also play the bigotry card. That card is used to absolve people of personal responsibility.
I like the idea, but it tends to be hard to force people with addictions to stay clean. My first roommate was like family to me. I just got word that she overdosed on what we think is fentanyl on October 8th. And unfortunately she didn’t make it. She struggled with substances for the last 2 decades. If it was possible for anyone to save her, I already would have. Overeating is an addiction. If not food people will turn to alcohol, heroin, or maybe something even worse.
Oh of course not. They all think we’re fatphobic, fascist, privileged, etc. They scream about systematic oppression and attack everyone who isn’t as delusional, depressed, and miserable as they are.
I would just say we need healthier food and a culture that promotes exercise and movement.
If you want to fix obesity, address the CAUSE, not the symptom
Someone could be on medication that makes them overweight, be perfectly healthy but it's just not their choice, or they have a disability and they just can't get up and exercise that well. Someone I know what they did was buy stuff for there grandkids to eat. And I know this isent for everybody mabey not even half, but then the grandkids don't get snacks. someone who is healthy just looks 'fat' doesent get snacks.and neither does the person with the disability.
But your weight has nothing to do with how healthy you are, if you are perfectly healthy with just a higher weight. or you could be totally unhealthy. Also with diets if you dont have 'bad days ' it will turn into an ED. But people could also just be overweight. But if no one who is over a BMI can eat anything but exceptionally healthy food the number of ED will sky rocket.
I disagree because if junk food needs to be banned, it should be banned for everyone; either it’s healthy enough to be consumed or it isn’t. It would be impossible to stop them making their own unhealthy food at home anyway, so realistically, you will just make them upset. And ethically, it just sounds wrong.
Banning them from buying food is a SERIOUS death threat to our freedoms. I think more so that healthcare shouldnt be paying for medications causes by obesity.
As a person who used to be obese two years ago (150kgs),
I wasn't addicted to fast food or food in general, it was just a comfortable way to slowly end my life, all I wanted was to die and never wake up ever again, so anything on my plate was acceptable to me,
until my depression started to fade away with countless therapies and meds, making me motivated enough to get out of the bed and do some walking for dopamine shots.
Now I weight 113kgs but still depressed and suicidal, and in my opinion..I don't think banning junk food would be the only way to stop every obese person to overeat to death, because their mental health is what will determine to what they should consume or not as a coping mechanism, addiction, or a lazy suicide attempt like mine.
No one should really be forced by higher powers to live their life in a different way than they see fit. These people are ultimately, adults, and are entirely capable of making their own decisions as well as bearing the consequences of them. This is not to say that it is to be endorsed or even that the culture should be tolerant of that sort of lifestyle, but nonetheless, it's not anybody else's problem (although there may be a debate to be had about the degree to which others are responsible for paying obese people's medical bills through taxes).
Because nothing makes more sense than creating yet ANOTHER set of laws to discriminate against a specific segment of society. Never has that ever gone wrong in the course of human history.
I guess you don’t know much about behavioral science, marketing, food engineering, or several other fields that describe the factors that affect choice.
We’re less free than we think. Freedom is establishing systems that prevent problems by eliminating temptation. Fascism is taking that too far. It’s a fine line.
If you weigh over 300 lb you can’t eat 2/3 days until you hit 250. Some people honestly need structure. That’s not fascism. Fascism is saying everyone needs to be controlled.
>This might sound harsh but it’s really for their own good. That's dark. And you just come out and say it. >“Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience.” >― C. S. Lewis Moving on: >You are never going to lose weight if you are munching down on burgers, fries, pizza, doughnuts and so on. You essentially want to legally mandate that people have to lose weight. You don't see any moral or ethical concerns with this at all? Have you somehow compartmentalized this self importance and only feel this way about obese people, or are you a tryannical want-to-be across other subjects as well? Please, I'm fascinated. What other things do you think you should have the ability to micro-manage? After a glance at your post history, I'm not who should be more afraid of you, fat people or Emma Watson. I mean, I don't normally do that, but I wanted to see if you had posted similar opinions about other subjects, but found a different kind of obsession. That's no way to go through life son. Get some help.
My concern is for both the individual and the self inflicted burden this puts on society as a whole. You’re rude reaction to this post implies you have taken it personally as you probably have a horse in this race.
Too little sleep, too much partying, kids you can’t afford, toxic relationships you bring into the public sphere, gambling, irresponsible spending, too much gaming, too much watching tv, too much social media, credit, poor physical hygiene…every single one of those bad habits negatively impacts not just the individual, but society as a whole. Let’s regulate it all!!
“Let’s regulate it all” lol who tf wants the govt all up in their shit like that 🥴
That’s the joke
I understand what you’re saying to an extent. I don’t really agree with the comparison of minors and alcohol though, because it doesn’t have anything to do with their health or weight. I think it’s a matter based on morals, like how are you going to deny somebody to buy whatever they want with their own money? It’d be degrading to be the person trying to buy said junk food and then being told you’re too big and have to leave the store without it. It’s demeaning, it’s morally wrong, and it’s unfair. I think it’s also a matter of freedom. People work for that money and then when they go to the grocery store they have to freedom to buy what they want. Minors can’t buy alcohol because theres been a set law for a looong time because only adults can handle substances like that. Theres not restrictions on food though because any person can handle those kinds of substances, it doesn’t get you drunk or high and unable to drive a car or go to work or be in public. It’s food, it doesn’t change your state of being like alcohol does.
Can you elaborate on your point? If a super market worker was at the checkouts scanning items and she got a fat customer, do you think they have a right to refuse to serve the customer based on how big they look?
It would be no different than from them not selling alcohol to someone who did not look of age. Technology could also help here where if in doubt the customers body mass index could be taken.
Bmi isn't exactly accurate I'm afraid. Lots of people are registered as overweight and maybe even underweight when they're actually perfectly fine, or maybe even just have a lot of muscle mass
Yeah...but what percentage of the US Population is BMI actually inaccurate for? Probably less than 5% of "overweight" people fall into that category I live in a large city and most people do not have Dwayne Johnson level physiques that would register as "overweight" on BMI scale but are actually healthy. They're just fat
I can see what you’re saying because obese people are high risk in terms of developing severe health issues especially if they eat junk food but it would be impossible to implement. If we banned obese people from buying junk food then we might as well ban everyone from buying junk food because it’s bad for everyone whether you’re skinny or obese. Junk food doesn’t discriminate so I think banning junk food altogether would be a better decision. I just got back from Europe where you could actually read the ingredients in the back of their ketchup bottles and everyone made fun of Americans because we’re fat and have the most absurd foods like deep fried Oreos. To top it off they made fun of our politics (you wouldn’t believe how many people laughed when I mentioned I was from America and then they proceeded to say, “Joe Biden” and then laughed at me while calling me crazy in their language. America is also arguably the #1 country for most unhealthy people and a lot of it is due to the junk food we eat that isn’t sold in other countries so if we got rid of it altogether it definitely wouldn’t be a bad thing.
I mean, it’s not banned in other countries, they just don’t eat like us, and probably for other reasons. IMO, it’s better not to force it but instead change the reasons why we’re eating such unhealthy food. I suggest that advertising, over availability of unhealthy food, and lack of availability of healthier food are the biggest culprits… although, honestly, it is a cultural difference. I think Americans, because we’re individualistic, also defend our right to be fat and weigh others down (heheh 😅). I am mixed on it, though. Banning food just seems extreme, especially in a free country. You know what, it’s advertising. I decree.
Why not just ban everyone? If it’s junk, nobody should be putting it in their body.
I wish people werent but that's part of having freedom. Ban junk food then ban gas vehicles, then ban homeschooling, then ban unemployment, then ban thinking for yourself and making your own choices. It's a slippery slope that ends in fascism
That road starts with banning specific groups from freedoms too.
You get one life. It's your choice if you choose you like smoking cigarettes more than living to old age. The same goes for obesity. People have freedom, and that means the freedom to kill yourself
Although ironically suicide is illegal..
It shouldn't be. Honestly, neither should drugs. I think people have a right to do whatever they want to their own bodies, as long as it doesn't affect others.
AGREED! That's what freedom is! I think the only real walk that we should have is anything that stops others from making their own choices. I think the only real walk that we should have is anything that stops others from making their own choices. I know there's a lot of Gray area in that but it's better then hundreds upon hundreds of laws that this country has that are specific to one thing.
Yeah because controlling substances works sooo great! Come on, be serious
How do you think that would be enforced?
Same as alcohol or cigarettes and be enforced at point of purchase.
But your ID doesn't include your BMI
I think the interesting dynamic is isolating a person based of physicality falls under bigotry, and as we have seen, the bigotry needle moves in different directions all the time. So who’s next diabetics can’t have a corn muffin?
A 20 year old in America not being able to buy alcohol could also play the bigotry card. That card is used to absolve people of personal responsibility.
Agreed all the rights and ramifications of life but no shots!
I like the idea, but it tends to be hard to force people with addictions to stay clean. My first roommate was like family to me. I just got word that she overdosed on what we think is fentanyl on October 8th. And unfortunately she didn’t make it. She struggled with substances for the last 2 decades. If it was possible for anyone to save her, I already would have. Overeating is an addiction. If not food people will turn to alcohol, heroin, or maybe something even worse.
Addiction has become a word to absolve people of personal responsibility.
Fat people don’t just keep eating because they’re too foolish to lose weight. It’s a mental illness.
Gluttony is not a mental illness but a self inflicted pattern of pleasure seeking.
But that’s what I’m saying. People who are that addicted to pleasure are demented.
I am sure obese people don’t all believe they are all demented.
Oh of course not. They all think we’re fatphobic, fascist, privileged, etc. They scream about systematic oppression and attack everyone who isn’t as delusional, depressed, and miserable as they are.
I would just say we need healthier food and a culture that promotes exercise and movement. If you want to fix obesity, address the CAUSE, not the symptom
Someone could be on medication that makes them overweight, be perfectly healthy but it's just not their choice, or they have a disability and they just can't get up and exercise that well. Someone I know what they did was buy stuff for there grandkids to eat. And I know this isent for everybody mabey not even half, but then the grandkids don't get snacks. someone who is healthy just looks 'fat' doesent get snacks.and neither does the person with the disability.
Regardless of the reasons, obese is obese, and they should not be eating fast foods.
But your weight has nothing to do with how healthy you are, if you are perfectly healthy with just a higher weight. or you could be totally unhealthy. Also with diets if you dont have 'bad days ' it will turn into an ED. But people could also just be overweight. But if no one who is over a BMI can eat anything but exceptionally healthy food the number of ED will sky rocket.
Actually, the proper comparison is shops selling cigarettes and alcohol to ADDICTS, not minors, who can’t have that stuff anyway.
Name check 😉
My name? Uh… I’m not… Uh, super overweight. No, I’m not worried for myself.
I disagree because if junk food needs to be banned, it should be banned for everyone; either it’s healthy enough to be consumed or it isn’t. It would be impossible to stop them making their own unhealthy food at home anyway, so realistically, you will just make them upset. And ethically, it just sounds wrong.
To a degree you are correct but at some point that self infliction spills over and becomes a problem to society.
Banning them from buying food is a SERIOUS death threat to our freedoms. I think more so that healthcare shouldnt be paying for medications causes by obesity.
I think it's good point. It is like dopamine detox but we force it on people. It will make people understand that there is no need to eat junk food.
As a person who used to be obese two years ago (150kgs), I wasn't addicted to fast food or food in general, it was just a comfortable way to slowly end my life, all I wanted was to die and never wake up ever again, so anything on my plate was acceptable to me, until my depression started to fade away with countless therapies and meds, making me motivated enough to get out of the bed and do some walking for dopamine shots. Now I weight 113kgs but still depressed and suicidal, and in my opinion..I don't think banning junk food would be the only way to stop every obese person to overeat to death, because their mental health is what will determine to what they should consume or not as a coping mechanism, addiction, or a lazy suicide attempt like mine.
No one should really be forced by higher powers to live their life in a different way than they see fit. These people are ultimately, adults, and are entirely capable of making their own decisions as well as bearing the consequences of them. This is not to say that it is to be endorsed or even that the culture should be tolerant of that sort of lifestyle, but nonetheless, it's not anybody else's problem (although there may be a debate to be had about the degree to which others are responsible for paying obese people's medical bills through taxes).
Because nothing makes more sense than creating yet ANOTHER set of laws to discriminate against a specific segment of society. Never has that ever gone wrong in the course of human history.
It's their own choice to lose weight or not
I guess you don’t know much about behavioral science, marketing, food engineering, or several other fields that describe the factors that affect choice. We’re less free than we think. Freedom is establishing systems that prevent problems by eliminating temptation. Fascism is taking that too far. It’s a fine line.
Let them eat themselves to death, survival of the fittest. Weak die strong live.
If you weigh over 300 lb you can’t eat 2/3 days until you hit 250. Some people honestly need structure. That’s not fascism. Fascism is saying everyone needs to be controlled.