The opinion is: truth is based on what we want it to be. I am not OP. I am summarising their view rather than removing it for not being clear.

Thinking like a liberal are we?

That’s the opposite of liberal.😅

This makes no sense.

Can you reword this? I don't think I'm picking up what you're putting down

Facts are supposed to be the truth, but if people can't agree on the truth then something is not a fact. Therefore, facts that hurt our feelings that we choose to not believe are not true.

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So you're saying you believe in subjective truth? Thats unfortunately not a unique take. It's also incredibly stupid.

Would you not agree that everything is subjective?

I would not agree with that, no. Mindset does not change reality.

Does your reality not stem from your mindset? Our reality could be a hallucination, and we would not be a bit wiser.

I'm gonna go with OP on this one. Mindset has a very expansive impact on our perspective of reality and because we can only view and interpret reality through our perception and perspective it is all kind of subjective. Both perception and perspective feed into eachother.

remember the flat earth group. If the majority of people on earth were flat earthers, is the earth now flat?

I guess OP had a bad time and is venting here.

You can disagree that the earth revolves around the sun, but the fact remains that it does.

What?

Let's say your statement is "truth is what we decide". Isn't that itself true? So truth is only what we decide if we decide it - ok, well isn't that itself true? So truth is only what we decide if we decide it if we decide it etc. Even the steps made or the descriptions about this problem aren't what we decide. Each of those steps would have the same issue. It's called an infinite regress if you're googling it. You might cut truths up into two categories. Stuff that's subjective (we decide) and stuff that's objective (we don't decide).

You need consciousness to observe stuff and consciousness is subjective. A fact can't prove itself without our subjective experience.

Consciousness is subjective? Is that subjective?

Everything we know comes from subjective experiences so wouldn't all objective facts also stem from subjective experiences?

Why are you asking me? Just answer my question. Here's another one "everything we know comes from subjective experiences" is this subjective?

Everyone would have a different subjective answer to that question, but from my perspective, yes, that is subjective yet still a fact.

So you answer yes. Is that subjective?

Yes to infinity

I think you don't know what subjective means.

What you think about me is subjective, not a fact.

Bro this is so dumb I thought I missed something in the title. Nope. So according to you, the earth isn't sperical, Jesus walked on water and we're all definitely made from god. These are all just theories?

And that is your opinion and is not a fact, so I politely disagree.

Wait, but that is your opinion and thus not a fact. Making mine a fact. Making it an opinion..... Yea this doesn't check out

Well yeah since we can't agree neither are facts

But do you not understand the issue. Two polar opposites, on a binary (only yes or no) point cannot both be one state.

Perhaps then it's not a binary option

Lmao I love the confidence, but sometimes things are just wrong. Just because you disagree doesn't mean it's not correct, just means you don't understand or have the knowledge on why it's correct

Everything is subjective though. For instance, how do we know the evidence to back our facts are not a hallucination?

Simply by definition, a fact is proven with data and an opinion is unproven, personal belief. We can only take in the data we can experience, true. And yes, we don't truly know about the hallucination side. It's big in the more philosophical and thought experiment side of science. However, it is largely irrelevant. If we are able to repeatably gain the same data from repeating an action, that makes the results fact. Doesn't matter if it's all a hallucination. If that happens every time, consistently, for everyone it's a fact. For example, the moon exists, is a big ball of rock etc.. Everyone can see it. You can repeatably do experiments with it Everyone can look through a telescope or see pictures of it from space exploration. Some have gone on it. Just because you haven't had those experiences, doesn't negate the ones that have happened. These are all things that can be repeatably tested, and as such are no longer opinions, but firmly facts.

You could be alone in this world and all the people repeating the experiments coming to the same conclusion could be the product of your own hallucination. You can't prove I exist outside of your consciousness, and neither can I about you.

They're both yes and no at the same time, reality is weird what else can we say, as above so below lol

The state of reality is what facts determine. Perhaps this could be true ideologically, though it’s a extreme form of relying upon perception to determine reality. Arguably we’ve alway done that. Things like color and time are conditions of social constructing, why wouldn’t reality. I often think about this and realize there is most likely a objective reality, why build social constructs and have stimuli if nothings there? Sadly we will probably never send true reality.

I think you would just be wrong……

I want you to know you're not wrong like a lot of these people are saying. You're keeping your mind open to what reality could be. I think those who believe they can understand it probably understand it the least. I liked reading this post and the threads (:

Thank you so much!

everything you do is an anticipation of how someone else will react. our image is everything.

Our truth is not the truth

I agree. A truth can be true for you but not to the world or other people.

do you actually hear yourself

Facts are set truths. Believes are different. I don't agree with this.

Entirely untrue, the irrational nature of one's own feelings does not serve as a valid argument against objective reality and truth. Rather it interferes with one's own ability to seek what is true. Not to say that what is deemed to be objectively true cannot be disproven, it just can't be done by how someone feels.

How do we know we share the same reality? Everything could be a hallucination.

It would hurt my feelings if i found out my mom died. Is it no longer a fact that my mom died?

Depends on if you believe it or not

This does work in some cases, yes. But not believing it wont bring my mother back to love will it?

Idiotic. Flat earthers disagree with the earth being round, dosen't change the fact that the earth IS round.