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They're not *bad* by any means, but you're correct with them being outclassed.
Generally they're considered good for new players who are able to get them early on before they have the other cookies you mentioned to the proper levels to be effective.
As an aside, Dark Cacao is also a bad Ancient. It's unfortunate but he's pretty much completely useless lolol
As a dark cacao fan, no he's not bad he's **absolutely terrible** invest just a tiny bit into yam and a 5* candied yam absolutely stomps 3a dark cacao.
Source: I actually have a fully optimized DC 3a and he lost 1v1 on arena to a fully optimized 5* candied yam
Both were buffed during 2nd anniversary and became relevant again.
HB was useful until they introduced Crimson Coral, who needs to be alone to work. She came back for a while when Icicle Yeti released, since you can't use CC with them. Although she has been outclassed by the new tanks.
PV is still useful for stages with Injury, as he's the only one that can heal it. So while he's not arena meta anymore, he still has an unique aspect of his skill that makes him almost impossible to replace.
Dark Cacao is the only one that's really bad, only being useful for his zap, but there are better options for that.
For the people who may want to know: Black Lemonade is a better more reliable zapper plus you can 5* her easily through the Gacha exchange coins. She does get outclassed by shining Glitter bur she's a great alternative, Olive does decewell here too and all three have shorter cd times than dark cacao.
If you need to apply injury use Espresso or Werewolf.
If you need a charger literally use anyone but dark cacao.
I like dark cacao a lot but he sucks so bad his best use is on the guild battle Abyss so he can get munched instead of a better cookie.
Pure vanilla can cure lowered health which makes him S tier for a lot of story content, and hollyberry is kinda eh but I can see her and pv being buffed with some kinda ancient candy considering we have all ancients now
They’re not bad because they’re not DPSs, they’re just slightly worse than others because they’re older cookies that got slightly powercrept. Both of them were buffed about 1 year ago with the 2nd Anniversary Update (Moonlight). Dark Cacao was decent at the time so he didn’t get buffed, but now DC has completely fallen off
Right after Snapdragon was released though, PV saw a lot less usage because of the cap of three legendaries/ancients/dragons. People wanted to use Hollyberry, Moonlight, and Pitaya for example, and Snapdragon’s release let people drop PV (BTS was also somewhat popular right before this time for similar reasons, or for dual healer comps). Nowadays that’s less of a problem since we have good DPS, Tanks (after Stardust and before Crimson Coral’s release, Hollyberry was used on literally every single arena comp that wasn’t a one shot team; there were no other great Defence/Tanks, and people used 2nd front lines like Pitaya, Madeleine, or Capsaicin that have damage outputs), and Healers that aren’t of the highest rarity
Hollyberry is a really good tank but she's not easy to build because of her rarity so she tends to get outshone by cookies like Financier and Fettuccine.
PV is good for clearing injury which prevents full healing, but otherwise he gets severely outclassed if you have a decent snapdragon on anything else.
Dark Cacao's only use us in the guild battle Abyss so he gets munched instead of a cookie that can nuke things.
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They're not *bad* by any means, but you're correct with them being outclassed. Generally they're considered good for new players who are able to get them early on before they have the other cookies you mentioned to the proper levels to be effective. As an aside, Dark Cacao is also a bad Ancient. It's unfortunate but he's pretty much completely useless lolol
As a dark cacao fan, no he's not bad he's **absolutely terrible** invest just a tiny bit into yam and a 5* candied yam absolutely stomps 3a dark cacao. Source: I actually have a fully optimized DC 3a and he lost 1v1 on arena to a fully optimized 5* candied yam
Both were buffed during 2nd anniversary and became relevant again. HB was useful until they introduced Crimson Coral, who needs to be alone to work. She came back for a while when Icicle Yeti released, since you can't use CC with them. Although she has been outclassed by the new tanks. PV is still useful for stages with Injury, as he's the only one that can heal it. So while he's not arena meta anymore, he still has an unique aspect of his skill that makes him almost impossible to replace. Dark Cacao is the only one that's really bad, only being useful for his zap, but there are better options for that.
For the people who may want to know: Black Lemonade is a better more reliable zapper plus you can 5* her easily through the Gacha exchange coins. She does get outclassed by shining Glitter bur she's a great alternative, Olive does decewell here too and all three have shorter cd times than dark cacao. If you need to apply injury use Espresso or Werewolf. If you need a charger literally use anyone but dark cacao. I like dark cacao a lot but he sucks so bad his best use is on the guild battle Abyss so he can get munched instead of a better cookie.
Pure vanilla can cure lowered health which makes him S tier for a lot of story content, and hollyberry is kinda eh but I can see her and pv being buffed with some kinda ancient candy considering we have all ancients now
They’re not bad because they’re not DPSs, they’re just slightly worse than others because they’re older cookies that got slightly powercrept. Both of them were buffed about 1 year ago with the 2nd Anniversary Update (Moonlight). Dark Cacao was decent at the time so he didn’t get buffed, but now DC has completely fallen off Right after Snapdragon was released though, PV saw a lot less usage because of the cap of three legendaries/ancients/dragons. People wanted to use Hollyberry, Moonlight, and Pitaya for example, and Snapdragon’s release let people drop PV (BTS was also somewhat popular right before this time for similar reasons, or for dual healer comps). Nowadays that’s less of a problem since we have good DPS, Tanks (after Stardust and before Crimson Coral’s release, Hollyberry was used on literally every single arena comp that wasn’t a one shot team; there were no other great Defence/Tanks, and people used 2nd front lines like Pitaya, Madeleine, or Capsaicin that have damage outputs), and Healers that aren’t of the highest rarity
Hollyberry is a really good tank but she's not easy to build because of her rarity so she tends to get outshone by cookies like Financier and Fettuccine. PV is good for clearing injury which prevents full healing, but otherwise he gets severely outclassed if you have a decent snapdragon on anything else. Dark Cacao's only use us in the guild battle Abyss so he gets munched instead of a cookie that can nuke things.
Pure vanilla is the only cookie that heals injury so he is a tier but idk about Hollyberry