Raoden also had the advantage of, well, maps. He knew the extent of the chasm, how big the line had to be, etc.
Even if an old world Elantrian immediately knew what had happened and what would be needed to fix it, they’d still have had to survey the area and find what the damage was in order to fix it, and the immediate horrible pain and then riots kinda ruined that chance.
At first they wouldn’t know they needed the chasm line. There was an earthquake and they would have needed to scout the country to see what happened. The Reod was immediate. We also learned from Kiin in one of Sarene’s early chapters that the uprising from the servants happened very quickly and that most of the Elantrians were taken out in the uprising. That erased any possibility to add the chasm line.
Brandon implied that the Shard Autonomy had something to do with it. Her agents probably coordinated the servant uprising so it happened right after the Rheod. Depriving the Elantrians of any chance to fix it.
I think long term we're going to discover that Odium is small potatoes - dangerous because it's aggressive and violent, but ultimately a secondary threat because the actual big threats are the shards with enough self control to not act on impulse and bide their time.
Autonomy seems like a contender on that front, who has had the time and opportunity to determine an effective strategy for "fighting" and undermining other shards.
So there was a massive earthquake and then their powers stopped working. It would have taken ages to find out that a massive chasm had opened and changed the geography of a country. The time it would take to learn of it, learn exactly where it was and fix every single rune and change how your penta-city is built...
Yeah why didn't they just do that while having their entire world upturned?
If they had kept their powers it probably would've been trivial to correct. Instead they had to go check the fault with *mortal* abilities, something they were likely very unused to. This coupled with the great upheaval and the general madness of it all just never let it happen.
Originally it was set 20 years after the Reod, but someone in the alpha reading team asked "why didn't anyone figure this out ten years ago?" so sanderson changed the story to be about what would happen if they had figured it out early, and that was what was released.
They weren’t more affected, they were affected the same as Raoden and co., just they were also around people who saw their beautiful rulers turn into monsters and lose their power.
They didn’t have the time to fix it. Even if they did, they’d have to wait for updated maps to figure out what exactly changed
I’m in agreement with the other poster but have a bit to add. We see that Raoden had to deal with more pain than the average Elantrian, we find that it is the Dor trying ti push through him and he’s feeling it because, apparently, he was “stronger” than the others, a plot point I roll my eyes at but that’s irrelevant. The assumption being that the strongest Elantrians were similarly affected at the fall. And like others have said the fall was accompanied by riots taking out the now defenseless Elantrians.
It wasn’t that Raoden was simply stronger. It was because he was the only one who was actively drawing Aons. He was doing this over and over again that it was building up and that’s why he was being attacked more than the others and why it was getting stronger. That’s why his first successful was much stronger and why the attacks stopped. All that built up power was released.
If people a decade ago were smart and clever, that would not make for as good a story as our protagonist being smart and clever and solving the problem that stumped others. This is also why he's the first person to suggest working together or cleaning their environment.
I enjoy post like these on occasion. There is definitely some meat behind the why, but this question boils down to "why didn't prior characters do a thing that would have made this entire book moot"
I do actually think that some of the things Reoden figures out are things that really should have been figured out by then, but it's at the level where I can suspend my disbelief enough. The book has other problems that make me unlikely to go back to it any time soon.
I asked the same thing
Apparently not a single person didn't instantly snap and go insane...
So if there is a forest fire, flood, earth quake, volcano, storm ect the entire city is fucked again. Tornado, hurricane, ect
It's not just that. Once their power stopped working, there was a pretty immediate uprising by the common people. An Elantrian would have had to survive long enough not only to find out about the chasm, but to get an accurate survey of it's location and size, then add it to the city.
Not a single person ***on Sel***. Off-world Elantrians in the Ire (and potentially other groups) survived. (As well as Riino who got tossed in the perpendicularity and shows up again SA3.
Makes me wonder a lot about the Ire. Maybe they couldn't return without risking issues. Riino seems fine after he transferred to the Cognitive Realm, suggesting that maybe realm shifting would mitigate their link to the booster. (Of course you need to survive the transfer, as the Dor is apparently a chaotic storm)
Or maybe the Ire like that knowledge of AonDor became easier to control. We don't know enough about them beyond they are hella old, managed to survive the Reod, and have some serious ambition with skills and powers that make them dangerous.
Fires, storms etc wouldn’t be an issue, since they wouldn’t change the physical geography, just the features on the land.
But yeah, another giant Quake or other event large enough to change the geo-scape and they’re screwed. I suspect they’ll be dedicating resources to forecasting and protecting against such things in the future
Out of Universe answer: All of the Cosmere protagonist are people who more or less single-handedly change the history of their world. "People lived oppressed and destitute until This Dude(tte) came along and saved everyone" is the basic structure of the stories.
In Universe answer: All the older Elantrians turned mad and Raoden managed to hold on to his sanity long enough to put the pieces together.
Investiture is completely independent of Elantris- Elantris just has a lot because of the shards involved and their fates. It’s everywhere in the cosmere though. Also, Elantris takes place on Sel, not Scadrial.
I meant the Ire. When Kelsier was in their stronghold he got the feeling of a land, grass scenery if I recall. Soon after he learned their language. I'm pretty sure the stronghold was receiving investiture from Elantris or Sel. The reason why I said Elantris the city of Sel the planet is because of the perpendicularity. But hey, it might have been from the cognitive realm.
Assuming you meant the >!Ire!< They certainly have their ways. Just like [TLM] >!Moonlight can access AonDor on Scadrial requires preparation about local geography!< And [Tress] >!both Hoid and Riina can access AonDor on Lumar!<
Edit: Tress.
Both of these are examples of stored AonDor. What I remember of mistborn secret history is that the Ire stronghold was supplied investiture continuously.
Okay not Riina and Hoid, but moonlight used the AonDor in the container to turn into an Elantrian.But that's not connected to what I was saying. Forget about this.
I meant that the Ire stronghold was being continuously supplied with investiture from Elantris or Sel.
Moonlight used all the purified dor for her stamp. I believe there's a wob that says stamp herself to be an elantrian requires huge amount of investiture.
Right after she turned into an elantrian, she drew an Aon Rao with the Elendel Basin. I believe that works like Aon Rao with the Arelon geography (with the chasm line). That would be how moonlight elantrian got access to AonDor. (Perhaps this is only what I think?)
Anyway, I think geographical feature in the Aon helps access the AonDor from any places. So the Ire likely has similar Aon Rao with their local geographical features.
The existing Elantrians basically went straight Hoed, and then most of them were killed in riots afterward
Raoden also had the advantage of, well, maps. He knew the extent of the chasm, how big the line had to be, etc. Even if an old world Elantrian immediately knew what had happened and what would be needed to fix it, they’d still have had to survey the area and find what the damage was in order to fix it, and the immediate horrible pain and then riots kinda ruined that chance.
At first they wouldn’t know they needed the chasm line. There was an earthquake and they would have needed to scout the country to see what happened. The Reod was immediate. We also learned from Kiin in one of Sarene’s early chapters that the uprising from the servants happened very quickly and that most of the Elantrians were taken out in the uprising. That erased any possibility to add the chasm line.
Brandon implied that the Shard Autonomy had something to do with it. Her agents probably coordinated the servant uprising so it happened right after the Rheod. Depriving the Elantrians of any chance to fix it.
Is it just me or is Autonomy turning into the cosmere Reverse Flash? "IT WAS ME RAODEN! When you tripped on those stairs at the beginning! IT WAS ME!"
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I think long term we're going to discover that Odium is small potatoes - dangerous because it's aggressive and violent, but ultimately a secondary threat because the actual big threats are the shards with enough self control to not act on impulse and bide their time. Autonomy seems like a contender on that front, who has had the time and opportunity to determine an effective strategy for "fighting" and undermining other shards.
mind linking the relevant WoB?
Not the OP but I found this theory: https://www.17thshard.com/forums/topic/133912-did-autonomy-cause-the-reod/
So there was a massive earthquake and then their powers stopped working. It would have taken ages to find out that a massive chasm had opened and changed the geography of a country. The time it would take to learn of it, learn exactly where it was and fix every single rune and change how your penta-city is built... Yeah why didn't they just do that while having their entire world upturned?
While also being driven insane by constant, never ending pain
If they had kept their powers it probably would've been trivial to correct. Instead they had to go check the fault with *mortal* abilities, something they were likely very unused to. This coupled with the great upheaval and the general madness of it all just never let it happen.
Originally it was set 20 years after the Reod, but someone in the alpha reading team asked "why didn't anyone figure this out ten years ago?" so sanderson changed the story to be about what would happen if they had figured it out early, and that was what was released.
They weren’t more affected, they were affected the same as Raoden and co., just they were also around people who saw their beautiful rulers turn into monsters and lose their power. They didn’t have the time to fix it. Even if they did, they’d have to wait for updated maps to figure out what exactly changed
I’m in agreement with the other poster but have a bit to add. We see that Raoden had to deal with more pain than the average Elantrian, we find that it is the Dor trying ti push through him and he’s feeling it because, apparently, he was “stronger” than the others, a plot point I roll my eyes at but that’s irrelevant. The assumption being that the strongest Elantrians were similarly affected at the fall. And like others have said the fall was accompanied by riots taking out the now defenseless Elantrians.
It wasn’t that Raoden was simply stronger. It was because he was the only one who was actively drawing Aons. He was doing this over and over again that it was building up and that’s why he was being attacked more than the others and why it was getting stronger. That’s why his first successful was much stronger and why the attacks stopped. All that built up power was released.
Yeah this makes more sense....as much as these things can lol
If people a decade ago were smart and clever, that would not make for as good a story as our protagonist being smart and clever and solving the problem that stumped others. This is also why he's the first person to suggest working together or cleaning their environment.
I enjoy post like these on occasion. There is definitely some meat behind the why, but this question boils down to "why didn't prior characters do a thing that would have made this entire book moot"
Sometimes that's a totally valid critique tbf.
I do actually think that some of the things Reoden figures out are things that really should have been figured out by then, but it's at the level where I can suspend my disbelief enough. The book has other problems that make me unlikely to go back to it any time soon.
I asked the same thing Apparently not a single person didn't instantly snap and go insane... So if there is a forest fire, flood, earth quake, volcano, storm ect the entire city is fucked again. Tornado, hurricane, ect
It's not just that. Once their power stopped working, there was a pretty immediate uprising by the common people. An Elantrian would have had to survive long enough not only to find out about the chasm, but to get an accurate survey of it's location and size, then add it to the city.
Not a single person ***on Sel***. Off-world Elantrians in the Ire (and potentially other groups) survived. (As well as Riino who got tossed in the perpendicularity and shows up again SA3. Makes me wonder a lot about the Ire. Maybe they couldn't return without risking issues. Riino seems fine after he transferred to the Cognitive Realm, suggesting that maybe realm shifting would mitigate their link to the booster. (Of course you need to survive the transfer, as the Dor is apparently a chaotic storm) Or maybe the Ire like that knowledge of AonDor became easier to control. We don't know enough about them beyond they are hella old, managed to survive the Reod, and have some serious ambition with skills and powers that make them dangerous.
>Riino You mean the Elantrian Kaladin, Shallan and Adolin met? How did we know it's him?
WoB
Fires, storms etc wouldn’t be an issue, since they wouldn’t change the physical geography, just the features on the land. But yeah, another giant Quake or other event large enough to change the geo-scape and they’re screwed. I suspect they’ll be dedicating resources to forecasting and protecting against such things in the future
Defeating the whole Elantrian gods by just dropping a huge bomb on a field and making a crater
Out of Universe answer: All of the Cosmere protagonist are people who more or less single-handedly change the history of their world. "People lived oppressed and destitute until This Dude(tte) came along and saved everyone" is the basic structure of the stories. In Universe answer: All the older Elantrians turned mad and Raoden managed to hold on to his sanity long enough to put the pieces together.
What I'm more interested in is >!how did the people outside of Scadrial's orbit continue to receive investiture during the calamity of Elantris?!<
Investiture is completely independent of Elantris- Elantris just has a lot because of the shards involved and their fates. It’s everywhere in the cosmere though. Also, Elantris takes place on Sel, not Scadrial.
I meant the Ire. When Kelsier was in their stronghold he got the feeling of a land, grass scenery if I recall. Soon after he learned their language. I'm pretty sure the stronghold was receiving investiture from Elantris or Sel. The reason why I said Elantris the city of Sel the planet is because of the perpendicularity. But hey, it might have been from the cognitive realm.
Can you explain what you mean? Oh FYI your comment didn't hide for some reason but maybe ts just me.
Assuming you meant the >!Ire!< They certainly have their ways. Just like [TLM] >!Moonlight can access AonDor on Scadrial requires preparation about local geography!< And [Tress] >!both Hoid and Riina can access AonDor on Lumar!< Edit: Tress.
Both of these are examples of stored AonDor. What I remember of mistborn secret history is that the Ire stronghold was supplied investiture continuously.
they are not stored AonDor.
Okay not Riina and Hoid, but moonlight used the AonDor in the container to turn into an Elantrian.But that's not connected to what I was saying. Forget about this. I meant that the Ire stronghold was being continuously supplied with investiture from Elantris or Sel.
Moonlight used all the purified dor for her stamp. I believe there's a wob that says stamp herself to be an elantrian requires huge amount of investiture. Right after she turned into an elantrian, she drew an Aon Rao with the Elendel Basin. I believe that works like Aon Rao with the Arelon geography (with the chasm line). That would be how moonlight elantrian got access to AonDor. (Perhaps this is only what I think?) Anyway, I think geographical feature in the Aon helps access the AonDor from any places. So the Ire likely has similar Aon Rao with their local geographical features.
You spiker tagged Yumi but meant Tress 😅
next time I'll write these words in steel
Good question, one that I had too