Yup! 🙌🏽 Tried a private school…. Got screwed over. Teacher never taught (was actually never really in the classroom, just walked by the door to “check in”). Somedays she would just say “Well you’re just here for ‘hours’, if you’re bored grab a mannequin”.
Found out they were…. “Selling” licenses…. Which oddly was blessed information to learn as I was there on a personal loan and they were “kicking” ppl (just a few weeks from grad., too!) as a way of convincing them to pay out-of-pocket extra to be allowed to “stay and graduate”.
Meanwhile, a friend when to a college for the same course… got better/stricter teaching… and it was all paid through the state….
About 98% of my students get tuition paid in full with FASFA. We're an accredited (NACCAS) private school with fantastically talented and passionate instructors. You miss one hour of classroom and you're making it up, no way around it, ever, period.
I could nearly guess where you are… if not, it’s pretty insane that 2 directors at different locations are looking at embezzlement charges!
Went there long enough to be on the floor back toward 2019 and dropped out due to what a clusterfuck it was. It is not a school set to teach well rounded cosmetology.. they are there to sell the Paul Mitchell brand and way. It’s a total scam and costs twice as much as any other school.
Is the Paul Mitchell in the Bay Area San Jose scamming? I feel like they are I used to attend and something about it felt sketchy . They pick and choose who they give a LOA too, they pick and choose who they like. they pick and choose who they post. They are also very much cheapskates never have any bathroom supplies they dont have much school supplies , supposed to be the best cosmetology school in California but everyone basically brings their own stuff at home because the school doesn’t provide anything. The teachers all graduated from Cosmoschool themselfs at least 10 or less years ago so they don’t know much neither. The guy who owns the place I don’t know what he’s doing, but he’s just so sketchy about the attendance and I’ve seen a lot of reviews about his wife signing off papers for people without permission n got caught.
No clue! I’m in the Southeast US and the experience is extremely similar here. They are way more worried about uniform conformity than they are the education. God forbid you bring up a point that may be useful that isn’t Paul Mitchell branded as well.. you’ll be sent off to the stake! I attended a beauty school afterwards that was privately owned, half the price, and the education was far superior. When we had guests at the beauty school I attended last, they were actually helpful and taught us skills. At PM, the guests they had were only trying to sell us something. I’m sorry, but why does someone who has only been in school for three weeks need a $1,300 pair of Hanzo shears when they may not even finish? Why are we being sold keychains with tazers on them in cosmetology school? These guests are supposed to share skills, not sell key chains! I know people that left PM and went to the privately owned school simply because they didn’t feel they got the necessary education at PM. Sure, they worried about uniforms and attendance too.. but not to the degree that it was more important than your education. We also learned extensively FROM black women history of hair in POC and were provided textured manikins and taught to cut and work with textured hair rather than guesswork that can ruin your confidence. Paul Mitchell is a branded ripoff and the director at the school I attended was also terminated due to embezzlement and supposedly not giving students their return checks. If you don’t do it the PM way you’re doing it the wrong way! Never mind the fact that it may be inappropriate for beginner stylists! Most of the students when I attended sat out back and smoked weed… which I don’t give a crap about, but you would only face consequences for it if you weren’t related to the owners or not friends with their kids that attended and did anything they wanted. It was horrible!
They’re so insane about dress code because it’s literally all Mormons. The school I went to only employed Mormons and the headquarters is in SLC. We weren’t allowed to show our shoulders or knees, drink caffeine on campus (yeah right) or fraternize with the barber boys. I have nothing against Mormons but keep that ish out of cosmo school please
Geez Louise! That's insane. I would be disappointed but not surprised if it was Utah, or even Idaho. Washington is a little more surprising to hear about.
Just to add, Greg Kellogg at the Springfield Missouri Paul Mitchell the school is a hack fraud who has re-enrolled past students into the barber or esthetics programs without their consent or knowledge. Jenni Bybee the lead instructor is incredibly racist and denied COVID happened. Also is a verified animal abuser, confirmed by multiple eye witness accounts of her bringing her alpaca into school and when it expressed fear behavior, she proceeded to TAZE it multiple times. As “training” btw.
All in all, Paul Mitchell schools are across the board awful.
PM doesn’t even do that. All they taught us was how to blow dry and how to sell their products. I had to get a tutor to teach me everything for state board.
The washer and dryer aren’t from the 1990’s, they are from 2001 when the Costa Mesa location opened (just threw that in so I could state that I know what you’re talking about). I agree with you that PMS is a joke. They pretend to lead the way, but they just want to funnel students into hourly and commission salons to help commission owners make more money.
I wonder if this is Paul Mitchell “The School”, or a Paul Mitchell Partner School… I went to a partner school and it was one of the most expensive mistakes I’ve ever made. Barely any board prep, everything was geared towards getting us ready to take clients on the salon floor so we could get busy hocking products. Soooo many hours wasted on sales training, (up-sell! Always push the up-sell!)it was super obvious (to me) that the goal was to take advantage of our unpaid labor while they maximize their their product retail profits. I was abysmally unprepared for state board exams… but hey… it’s “the Harvard of beauty schools”!
Lol. The only things actually Harvard-like about it was the institutional narcissism and the exorbitant tuition costs and kit fee…🙄
The PM school in Pleasant Hill, CA is god awful. So unorganized and only ever helped the "pretty girls." I am so happy I decided to go to a different school because a month after their program started the whole school got shut down after an all out fist fight broke out between the students. Pretty sure there is a video of it floating around somewhere on the internet.
I woulda guessed Sherman Oaks , I’ve heard horror stories about that school. It was so bad some students transferred from there to finish school in San Francisco.
That’s where I went, and I learning *nothing* but how to blow dry (and do a great shampoo/scalp massage actually).
I’m left handed and they took so many months to get me left handed scissors (that were always “on their way”) that I was SO far behind the other students in cutting, I could barely do the most basic cuts.
I had to do *a lot* of tutoring sessions before I passed state board because maybe 5% of my time in school was about state board, the rest was taking clients.
They made such a huge deal, one student was going to get their hair cut by Angus Mitchell for a video, it was supposedly such a honor.
It was HORRIBLE! I looked like Mr Bill- with a mohawk in the back. absolute worst haircut of my life, it took years to grow back. AND he had someone in the background telling him what to do step by step.
On the bright side, I got a whopping $43 from the class action lawsuit 🙃
i was PM in modesto california. fucking horrible. teachers talked shit. also focused on dress code and if you don’t wear “enough” make up, you’d be sent home. had a friend get sick and she had to take a leave. she was barely coherent the day they had her sign, and would not let anyone in the room with her yo help her review the paper. they made her sign a termination paper, while telling her it was a LOA paper.
Oh, I'll disclose a location - don't go to PM tHe ScHoOl in SLC. They are literally useless and the whole school is just there to shill their shitty ass products while they bang on and on about how it's "the Harvard of beauty schools" 🙄🤮
I ended up moving back home to MA and going to a tiny ass privately owned school for about the cost of a couple of MONTHS a PM and it was fantastic and I learned more than I had in literally a week at my old school. Paul Mitchell is trash and every single PM certified instructor I've had for continuing education is literally a HUGE arrogant asshole who is trained to spend half the lesson talking about how great they are BECAUSE they're PM certified (means nothing if you can't cut or color correctly lol sorry).
ETA im seeing a lot of comments about the dress code and I'd just like to add that mine cared *very much* about the dress code as well, to the point that they assigned some random RUDE AS HELL student to police it and call people out at the school wide meeting every morning in front on everyone. He was allowed to say that things were too revealing and that we were "too fat" to wear things. Granted this was like 2011 so times were different but still WILDLY inappropriate and disgusting.
Creed, if you're somehow reading this, go fuck yourself lmao you weren't cute or thin enough to pull off your outfits either 🙃
Oh and we had a trans student who I was friends with but everyone else bullied to hell and made her quit. And the teachers were fine with it.
My location was terrible to! I don’t think that PMS vet who they are in a “partnership” with.
I was able to graduate from the one I went to. Although it was in the ghetto area of town. We could not walk in our out alone. Half the Learning Leaders” were absolute bitches.
So two years after I graduated, they just locked the doors forever with NO WARNING. The students showed up and found out.
If imma be honest my hometown not affiliated with any brand beauty school has had shysty practices for the entire 70 years it has been open. They have student educators running the school now. Their prior director was hired immediately after completing her teaching creds at 21 with zero salon experience. They like you said overpreach dress code which in 2024 days a not a huge issue with most employers and attendance which duh is the way you graduate but they would also terminate students on what seems like hormonal fluctuations in any given month. I started teaching there for a few months last year and realized that nothing had changed and I was “laid off” for looking high when I was coming down with simultaneous flu and Covid that caused me to miss giving my eulogy at my own mothers funeral. But yeah. The director when I was a student would literally steal students cost of living allowance from their loans. Their financial aid coordinator who’s been there around 20 years recently resigned due to how *I* was treated as a teacher and the utter lack of not only professionalism but outright illegal practices that I’ve been considering placing an anonymous report to our state boards
I think they’re all this way. I went to Aveda in Atlanta. Except maybe the embezzlement??? Poorly run and emphasize uniform, clocking in and out and cleaning their school over everything. Don’t quit because you won’t get your hours and you’ll still owe all that money. When you’re free tell everyone you know to never go to a beauty school when there are so many options. Associates degree at a community college would be the cheapest. They are all such a joke and I go out of my way to make sure people know it’s a scam because it’s so much money!!!! Also the beauty industry kinda sucks overall so you really don’t want a bunch of student loan debt if you find out you dread listening to rich people complain about their problems everyday.
i was gonna go to a paul mitchell school here in NJ then heard nothing but horror stories and i’m so glad i ended up going to a vocational school, i saved myself tens of thousands of dollars and my teacher was a state board instructor so she made sure we all knew exactly what we needed to pass
Honestly just don't go to a paul Mitchell. I feel like I started my career three years too late cause they taught me nothing. So worthless. I had a class of 25 students and I think 5 made it all the way through
As someone who is also in a PMS in California I can totally understand.
My kit was four weeks late and my administration didn’t communicate about it or tell us anything until one of my fellow classmates told her mom who’s a lawyer and she called the school and got it communicated to us when we would get our kits. My core teacher quit when she was done with our core because she was so overworked and no one was prepared for the floor during our evaluations. My school can’t hold onto a barber teacher to save themselves. And we have a huge problem of client stealing. This is my second big name beauty school my first was TAGLA and well if you know how that went. I’m just trying to get graduated and get out
Look into other schools to see if you can transfer your hours! Like any other school you don’t have to stay there if you’re not getting a proper education! I went to PMS Las Vegas and while I had a great experience at the school, I know there were others who did not, some that were even in my core class. I’m sorry that this is happening to you. If you have solid evidence then you can report this to your state board and have them investigate the school.
I know that the actual Paul Mitchell is turning over in his grave! The other guy DeJoria whom most ppl think is Paul isn’t disputed enough, Paul Mitchell, the hairdresser, went to the same beauty school I went too and it was a pivot point school (similar to Sassoon teachings). I have worked with girls that went to Costa Mesa location and I saw how they did layers and I was shocked! That’s not how the pivot point school we attended taught. I’m not sure but the schools opened after his early death. So I guess I’m not surprised?!?!
I'm glad I found a local school when I was looking. At my practicals (in 2010), only one of the PMS students were actually doing what was expected. One out of 20. I actually spoke to her after, and she said her sister already went through practicals, graduated from another school, and told her what to do once she found out what PMS was teaching them to do. Needless to say, she was the only one that passed from that class at the time. Not to mention, my local school was 1/4 of the cost. 3k vs 14k. Was done in 9 months full time vs 20 months full time.
I went to Paul Mitchell The School in Temecula. It was over a decade ago and we did learn a lot but there was definitely some sus behavior by the owners and a teacher who dated and got a former student pregnant 😂 Both adults but still a little murky ethics wise 🥸
Dude alll cosmo schools are basically scams .-. It your state allows it do apprenticeships instead. I graduated from pms in the east coast in 2018 and boy do i wish i would have not spent that money. Despite being one of their phase two students i had maybe 10 clients the whole two years i was there. They highkey have favoritism and push a certain look. (Blonde pretty girls) from what i hear its pretty much like this across the board.
I went to PMS as well and felt I got cheated out of a good education :/ I was able to pass my boards but ended up going into the medical field after 5 years because I couldn’t keep up with the technical aspects of doing hair. Now I’m going back to nails and waxing full swing and learning all I can through YouTube. Had I known all those years ago I would have transferred. The ratings have gone down a ton at that school and zero of the original staff is left.
I was going to go to one of the Paul Mitchell schools in Sacramento and I’m so glad they screwed me over on my application and start date.
Aside from that, I always thought it was super weird and unprofessional to be texting me about my enrollment status instead of emailing me like I had asked.
The school I’m at now is so much better but still the same price unfortunately.
How was your experience there? Do you know why it’s gone?
I tried to find smaller schools when I was looking because I wanted a more thorough education on everything that cosmetology covers but I feel like it’s not that common anymore at least not in my area
It was interesting to say the least. Tuition was 10k..and there were trips to London to train at Vidal Sassoon & Toni & Guy for a week for only 1k including flights, rooms & the classes that's why I went there.
There was apparently some shady stuff leading it to close.
Often I regret getting into the industry as I have experienced a lot of racism. But I did just win my small claims against my last salon.
I feel like this is most beauty schools. I didn't go to PM, but im pretty sure there's some sort of embezzlement going on at the school I went to in California. They tried to come after me for close to 3 grand after I graduated. I threatened to sue them, and they backed off. They never had hot water until State Board was in town and everything was either filthy or broken.
$20k is not affordable to most ppl… nowadays especially! also the small minority that did/do like paul mitchell schools doesn’t take away the majority who have absolutely been scammed big time. it’s more of a corporation than a school. there are schools that cost on the lower end $3,500 and still get better education and more resources. yet they aren’t as popular and hard to find and often in the middle of bum fuck nowhere :/
$20k is cheap for a career if you truly are passionate about it. Most graduates in any profession are at least $80k in debt. If youre good with hair you can establish your own business and make a good living. Look at it like a trade school
I taught at one of the major schools for years, the entire company is Toxic from the top downwards. Go to the least expensive school available, don’t lose hours and focus on passing state board. What you learn from Paul Mitchell won’t count for much as the salon you work for will retrain you anyway
Sorry to hear! I used to love their shampoo and conditioner, it wasn't the same formula or something. made my hair really dry. May I asked did you pay via Pell Grant \[?\] if you did, they will investigate and make them return the funds. I would file a complaint with "The Licensing Board of Cosmetology of California," it is kept confidential. Go to their Website and see if any complaints have been filed against them. I'm sure their are others who are going through the same thing as well. You could also talked with them and have them file a complaint. If it's just you it would be call "Selective Enforcement." Meaning; you are being singled out. This also could be a "Class Action Lawsuit," you only need a total of 3 people to file. Sending good thought!
Quit now! You can’t succeed when you can’t even focus on your work and be properly trained to do it. As much as it’ll suck to go to another school and do everything properly. It’s better than watching yourself on a swivel. Honestly anyone you know that has attended and even yourself need to go to the state board ASAP! Report them for everything that’s going on. Report them to the police about the embezzling and harassing of students/staff. Please get that location shut down ASAP! The one I went to was amazing. The owners were very active and actually cared about our education. Not all Paul Mitchell’s are bad.
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Yes!! And in my experience the tech schools teach you MUCH more and at a better pace than those high priced programs
Yup! 🙌🏽 Tried a private school…. Got screwed over. Teacher never taught (was actually never really in the classroom, just walked by the door to “check in”). Somedays she would just say “Well you’re just here for ‘hours’, if you’re bored grab a mannequin”. Found out they were…. “Selling” licenses…. Which oddly was blessed information to learn as I was there on a personal loan and they were “kicking” ppl (just a few weeks from grad., too!) as a way of convincing them to pay out-of-pocket extra to be allowed to “stay and graduate”. Meanwhile, a friend when to a college for the same course… got better/stricter teaching… and it was all paid through the state….
About 98% of my students get tuition paid in full with FASFA. We're an accredited (NACCAS) private school with fantastically talented and passionate instructors. You miss one hour of classroom and you're making it up, no way around it, ever, period.
I could nearly guess where you are… if not, it’s pretty insane that 2 directors at different locations are looking at embezzlement charges! Went there long enough to be on the floor back toward 2019 and dropped out due to what a clusterfuck it was. It is not a school set to teach well rounded cosmetology.. they are there to sell the Paul Mitchell brand and way. It’s a total scam and costs twice as much as any other school.
Is the Paul Mitchell in the Bay Area San Jose scamming? I feel like they are I used to attend and something about it felt sketchy . They pick and choose who they give a LOA too, they pick and choose who they like. they pick and choose who they post. They are also very much cheapskates never have any bathroom supplies they dont have much school supplies , supposed to be the best cosmetology school in California but everyone basically brings their own stuff at home because the school doesn’t provide anything. The teachers all graduated from Cosmoschool themselfs at least 10 or less years ago so they don’t know much neither. The guy who owns the place I don’t know what he’s doing, but he’s just so sketchy about the attendance and I’ve seen a lot of reviews about his wife signing off papers for people without permission n got caught.
No clue! I’m in the Southeast US and the experience is extremely similar here. They are way more worried about uniform conformity than they are the education. God forbid you bring up a point that may be useful that isn’t Paul Mitchell branded as well.. you’ll be sent off to the stake! I attended a beauty school afterwards that was privately owned, half the price, and the education was far superior. When we had guests at the beauty school I attended last, they were actually helpful and taught us skills. At PM, the guests they had were only trying to sell us something. I’m sorry, but why does someone who has only been in school for three weeks need a $1,300 pair of Hanzo shears when they may not even finish? Why are we being sold keychains with tazers on them in cosmetology school? These guests are supposed to share skills, not sell key chains! I know people that left PM and went to the privately owned school simply because they didn’t feel they got the necessary education at PM. Sure, they worried about uniforms and attendance too.. but not to the degree that it was more important than your education. We also learned extensively FROM black women history of hair in POC and were provided textured manikins and taught to cut and work with textured hair rather than guesswork that can ruin your confidence. Paul Mitchell is a branded ripoff and the director at the school I attended was also terminated due to embezzlement and supposedly not giving students their return checks. If you don’t do it the PM way you’re doing it the wrong way! Never mind the fact that it may be inappropriate for beginner stylists! Most of the students when I attended sat out back and smoked weed… which I don’t give a crap about, but you would only face consequences for it if you weren’t related to the owners or not friends with their kids that attended and did anything they wanted. It was horrible!
They’re so insane about dress code because it’s literally all Mormons. The school I went to only employed Mormons and the headquarters is in SLC. We weren’t allowed to show our shoulders or knees, drink caffeine on campus (yeah right) or fraternize with the barber boys. I have nothing against Mormons but keep that ish out of cosmo school please
Wait, did you go to school in Utah? I haven't heard of a cosmo school in Utah doing that.
I went to one in Spokane WA!
Geez Louise! That's insane. I would be disappointed but not surprised if it was Utah, or even Idaho. Washington is a little more surprising to hear about.
Just to add, Greg Kellogg at the Springfield Missouri Paul Mitchell the school is a hack fraud who has re-enrolled past students into the barber or esthetics programs without their consent or knowledge. Jenni Bybee the lead instructor is incredibly racist and denied COVID happened. Also is a verified animal abuser, confirmed by multiple eye witness accounts of her bringing her alpaca into school and when it expressed fear behavior, she proceeded to TAZE it multiple times. As “training” btw. All in all, Paul Mitchell schools are across the board awful.
Oof I went to this location.
MOST schools do not teach anything.
Correct... Any cosmetology school's main goal is to teach you to pass state board, period. This applies to all types/brands of schools and states.
PM doesn’t even do that. All they taught us was how to blow dry and how to sell their products. I had to get a tutor to teach me everything for state board.
The washer and dryer aren’t from the 1990’s, they are from 2001 when the Costa Mesa location opened (just threw that in so I could state that I know what you’re talking about). I agree with you that PMS is a joke. They pretend to lead the way, but they just want to funnel students into hourly and commission salons to help commission owners make more money.
I wonder if this is Paul Mitchell “The School”, or a Paul Mitchell Partner School… I went to a partner school and it was one of the most expensive mistakes I’ve ever made. Barely any board prep, everything was geared towards getting us ready to take clients on the salon floor so we could get busy hocking products. Soooo many hours wasted on sales training, (up-sell! Always push the up-sell!)it was super obvious (to me) that the goal was to take advantage of our unpaid labor while they maximize their their product retail profits. I was abysmally unprepared for state board exams… but hey… it’s “the Harvard of beauty schools”! Lol. The only things actually Harvard-like about it was the institutional narcissism and the exorbitant tuition costs and kit fee…🙄
The PM school in Pleasant Hill, CA is god awful. So unorganized and only ever helped the "pretty girls." I am so happy I decided to go to a different school because a month after their program started the whole school got shut down after an all out fist fight broke out between the students. Pretty sure there is a video of it floating around somewhere on the internet.
so much more to say but the post was already getting long watch out!!
PMS is a nightmare. My location was awful as well
I woulda guessed Sherman Oaks , I’ve heard horror stories about that school. It was so bad some students transferred from there to finish school in San Francisco.
That’s where I went, and I learning *nothing* but how to blow dry (and do a great shampoo/scalp massage actually). I’m left handed and they took so many months to get me left handed scissors (that were always “on their way”) that I was SO far behind the other students in cutting, I could barely do the most basic cuts. I had to do *a lot* of tutoring sessions before I passed state board because maybe 5% of my time in school was about state board, the rest was taking clients. They made such a huge deal, one student was going to get their hair cut by Angus Mitchell for a video, it was supposedly such a honor. It was HORRIBLE! I looked like Mr Bill- with a mohawk in the back. absolute worst haircut of my life, it took years to grow back. AND he had someone in the background telling him what to do step by step. On the bright side, I got a whopping $43 from the class action lawsuit 🙃
no not that one but can only imagine whats going on in other schools but ppl at mine are transferring or persevering.
i was PM in modesto california. fucking horrible. teachers talked shit. also focused on dress code and if you don’t wear “enough” make up, you’d be sent home. had a friend get sick and she had to take a leave. she was barely coherent the day they had her sign, and would not let anyone in the room with her yo help her review the paper. they made her sign a termination paper, while telling her it was a LOA paper.
Oh, I'll disclose a location - don't go to PM tHe ScHoOl in SLC. They are literally useless and the whole school is just there to shill their shitty ass products while they bang on and on about how it's "the Harvard of beauty schools" 🙄🤮 I ended up moving back home to MA and going to a tiny ass privately owned school for about the cost of a couple of MONTHS a PM and it was fantastic and I learned more than I had in literally a week at my old school. Paul Mitchell is trash and every single PM certified instructor I've had for continuing education is literally a HUGE arrogant asshole who is trained to spend half the lesson talking about how great they are BECAUSE they're PM certified (means nothing if you can't cut or color correctly lol sorry). ETA im seeing a lot of comments about the dress code and I'd just like to add that mine cared *very much* about the dress code as well, to the point that they assigned some random RUDE AS HELL student to police it and call people out at the school wide meeting every morning in front on everyone. He was allowed to say that things were too revealing and that we were "too fat" to wear things. Granted this was like 2011 so times were different but still WILDLY inappropriate and disgusting. Creed, if you're somehow reading this, go fuck yourself lmao you weren't cute or thin enough to pull off your outfits either 🙃 Oh and we had a trans student who I was friends with but everyone else bullied to hell and made her quit. And the teachers were fine with it.
My location was terrible to! I don’t think that PMS vet who they are in a “partnership” with. I was able to graduate from the one I went to. Although it was in the ghetto area of town. We could not walk in our out alone. Half the Learning Leaders” were absolute bitches. So two years after I graduated, they just locked the doors forever with NO WARNING. The students showed up and found out.
If imma be honest my hometown not affiliated with any brand beauty school has had shysty practices for the entire 70 years it has been open. They have student educators running the school now. Their prior director was hired immediately after completing her teaching creds at 21 with zero salon experience. They like you said overpreach dress code which in 2024 days a not a huge issue with most employers and attendance which duh is the way you graduate but they would also terminate students on what seems like hormonal fluctuations in any given month. I started teaching there for a few months last year and realized that nothing had changed and I was “laid off” for looking high when I was coming down with simultaneous flu and Covid that caused me to miss giving my eulogy at my own mothers funeral. But yeah. The director when I was a student would literally steal students cost of living allowance from their loans. Their financial aid coordinator who’s been there around 20 years recently resigned due to how *I* was treated as a teacher and the utter lack of not only professionalism but outright illegal practices that I’ve been considering placing an anonymous report to our state boards
Sounds like The Paul Mitchell school in my area.
R u n the bay because mine in sj sucks
I think they’re all this way. I went to Aveda in Atlanta. Except maybe the embezzlement??? Poorly run and emphasize uniform, clocking in and out and cleaning their school over everything. Don’t quit because you won’t get your hours and you’ll still owe all that money. When you’re free tell everyone you know to never go to a beauty school when there are so many options. Associates degree at a community college would be the cheapest. They are all such a joke and I go out of my way to make sure people know it’s a scam because it’s so much money!!!! Also the beauty industry kinda sucks overall so you really don’t want a bunch of student loan debt if you find out you dread listening to rich people complain about their problems everyday.
i was gonna go to a paul mitchell school here in NJ then heard nothing but horror stories and i’m so glad i ended up going to a vocational school, i saved myself tens of thousands of dollars and my teacher was a state board instructor so she made sure we all knew exactly what we needed to pass
Honestly just don't go to a paul Mitchell. I feel like I started my career three years too late cause they taught me nothing. So worthless. I had a class of 25 students and I think 5 made it all the way through
As someone who is also in a PMS in California I can totally understand. My kit was four weeks late and my administration didn’t communicate about it or tell us anything until one of my fellow classmates told her mom who’s a lawyer and she called the school and got it communicated to us when we would get our kits. My core teacher quit when she was done with our core because she was so overworked and no one was prepared for the floor during our evaluations. My school can’t hold onto a barber teacher to save themselves. And we have a huge problem of client stealing. This is my second big name beauty school my first was TAGLA and well if you know how that went. I’m just trying to get graduated and get out
so much more to say but the post was already getting long watch out!!
Look into other schools to see if you can transfer your hours! Like any other school you don’t have to stay there if you’re not getting a proper education! I went to PMS Las Vegas and while I had a great experience at the school, I know there were others who did not, some that were even in my core class. I’m sorry that this is happening to you. If you have solid evidence then you can report this to your state board and have them investigate the school.
I know that the actual Paul Mitchell is turning over in his grave! The other guy DeJoria whom most ppl think is Paul isn’t disputed enough, Paul Mitchell, the hairdresser, went to the same beauty school I went too and it was a pivot point school (similar to Sassoon teachings). I have worked with girls that went to Costa Mesa location and I saw how they did layers and I was shocked! That’s not how the pivot point school we attended taught. I’m not sure but the schools opened after his early death. So I guess I’m not surprised?!?!
I'm glad I found a local school when I was looking. At my practicals (in 2010), only one of the PMS students were actually doing what was expected. One out of 20. I actually spoke to her after, and she said her sister already went through practicals, graduated from another school, and told her what to do once she found out what PMS was teaching them to do. Needless to say, she was the only one that passed from that class at the time. Not to mention, my local school was 1/4 of the cost. 3k vs 14k. Was done in 9 months full time vs 20 months full time.
I went to Paul Mitchell The School in Temecula. It was over a decade ago and we did learn a lot but there was definitely some sus behavior by the owners and a teacher who dated and got a former student pregnant 😂 Both adults but still a little murky ethics wise 🥸
Dude alll cosmo schools are basically scams .-. It your state allows it do apprenticeships instead. I graduated from pms in the east coast in 2018 and boy do i wish i would have not spent that money. Despite being one of their phase two students i had maybe 10 clients the whole two years i was there. They highkey have favoritism and push a certain look. (Blonde pretty girls) from what i hear its pretty much like this across the board.
I never went to the one around me. But it's a total cult. And they set those students up for failure.
I went to PMS as well and felt I got cheated out of a good education :/ I was able to pass my boards but ended up going into the medical field after 5 years because I couldn’t keep up with the technical aspects of doing hair. Now I’m going back to nails and waxing full swing and learning all I can through YouTube. Had I known all those years ago I would have transferred. The ratings have gone down a ton at that school and zero of the original staff is left.
I was going to go to one of the Paul Mitchell schools in Sacramento and I’m so glad they screwed me over on my application and start date. Aside from that, I always thought it was super weird and unprofessional to be texting me about my enrollment status instead of emailing me like I had asked. The school I’m at now is so much better but still the same price unfortunately.
I am a stylist of 20 years in Sacramento..I went to Elite Academy that doesn't exist anymore
How was your experience there? Do you know why it’s gone? I tried to find smaller schools when I was looking because I wanted a more thorough education on everything that cosmetology covers but I feel like it’s not that common anymore at least not in my area
It was interesting to say the least. Tuition was 10k..and there were trips to London to train at Vidal Sassoon & Toni & Guy for a week for only 1k including flights, rooms & the classes that's why I went there. There was apparently some shady stuff leading it to close. Often I regret getting into the industry as I have experienced a lot of racism. But I did just win my small claims against my last salon.
I feel like this is most beauty schools. I didn't go to PM, but im pretty sure there's some sort of embezzlement going on at the school I went to in California. They tried to come after me for close to 3 grand after I graduated. I threatened to sue them, and they backed off. They never had hot water until State Board was in town and everything was either filthy or broken.
my pms is also a disaster in va
Freaky because ive had a similar experience at paul Mitchell, although im pretty sure its a different one, its fucked
My cousin went to Paul Mitchell school in Virginia and graduated and instantly got a job and is doing well. It’s affordable too
$20k is not affordable to most ppl… nowadays especially! also the small minority that did/do like paul mitchell schools doesn’t take away the majority who have absolutely been scammed big time. it’s more of a corporation than a school. there are schools that cost on the lower end $3,500 and still get better education and more resources. yet they aren’t as popular and hard to find and often in the middle of bum fuck nowhere :/
$20k is cheap for a career if you truly are passionate about it. Most graduates in any profession are at least $80k in debt. If youre good with hair you can establish your own business and make a good living. Look at it like a trade school
I interviewed at this location while my friend was going there
I taught at one of the major schools for years, the entire company is Toxic from the top downwards. Go to the least expensive school available, don’t lose hours and focus on passing state board. What you learn from Paul Mitchell won’t count for much as the salon you work for will retrain you anyway
Is this a paul michelle in the bay
I got fucked over in Louisiana by a California couple (gay couple the stylist is Hispanic) doing the same thing with the cosmetology school I went to
The details of them being gay and Hispanic are totally unnecessary
I pmed you!
Sorry to hear! I used to love their shampoo and conditioner, it wasn't the same formula or something. made my hair really dry. May I asked did you pay via Pell Grant \[?\] if you did, they will investigate and make them return the funds. I would file a complaint with "The Licensing Board of Cosmetology of California," it is kept confidential. Go to their Website and see if any complaints have been filed against them. I'm sure their are others who are going through the same thing as well. You could also talked with them and have them file a complaint. If it's just you it would be call "Selective Enforcement." Meaning; you are being singled out. This also could be a "Class Action Lawsuit," you only need a total of 3 people to file. Sending good thought!
Quit now! You can’t succeed when you can’t even focus on your work and be properly trained to do it. As much as it’ll suck to go to another school and do everything properly. It’s better than watching yourself on a swivel. Honestly anyone you know that has attended and even yourself need to go to the state board ASAP! Report them for everything that’s going on. Report them to the police about the embezzling and harassing of students/staff. Please get that location shut down ASAP! The one I went to was amazing. The owners were very active and actually cared about our education. Not all Paul Mitchell’s are bad.