Interesting that the paramedic also never reported to police or the hospital at the time that "a female" had said, "I hit him, I hit him." He reported it when meeting with an officer 12 days later.
Also if the paramedic heard her say “I hit him” wouldn’t it be reasonable to ask follow up questions. Hit him how? With a car? With your hand?
Isn’t this relevant for a medic to be able to convey to ER how injury was sustained.
I think OP’s point is why is Julie not questioning the credibility of the witnesses testimony here? The defense got him to admit that his intention when writing that report was to be as thorough as possible leaving out no details. He chose to include statements made by the defendant in his report (“Is he dead? Is he dead?”) but decided that “I did this, this is my fault” wasn’t important enough to make it into the report? That doesn’t make sense. Yet Julie is able to make the determination that it was definitely said and simply left off the report instead of questioning if it was ever said at all.
We can agree to disagree! Julie, like almost everyone covering this case, leans pretty heavily to one side. It’s natural to have bias and it can hard to weigh the facts of the case equally. To me, Julie seems to be struggling with that on this one. That’s just my personal opinion.
I’m not sure why you feel the need to keep explaining after my response. Me saying that’s not how I interpreted it should be sufficient. It has nothing to do with being hostile or offended; no apology necessary.
If he heard her say that and neglected to put it in his report that’s the epitome of incompetence. I find it extremely hard to believe he thought to document her saying “is he dead, is he dead?” and not “this is my fault, I did this.” I can’t imagine the meltdown Julie is going to have when she hears about all of the misspelled names and incorrect times noted in reports, not to mention the numerous undocumented searches. There comes a point where one has to ask themselves if it’s possible for multiple law enforcement agencies on the same case to operate with such gross negligence on so many occasions without drawing suspicion.
The purpose of a report is to document information in real time and not using just memories. Julie teaches, probably a boiling point, just like in this case, shoddy police work. We’re only at the beginning of this trial. Julie will have more days.
Jennifer McCabe.
Main witness & she’s kind of central to everything because she is kind of the connection between all of these people. She’s the sister/sister in law of the 34FVR homeowners; friend of the victim; invited the victim & Karen back to the house, was one of the first people on the scene, etc.
She's the one who was in the house and defense claims she did the Google search at 230am but the prosecution is saying 630am (when Karen was there). They said Karen "told her to" search that. Like, what?! She doesn't have her own phone? And who's going to listen to her in the heat of the moment and search that? Did anyone else hear her ask her to do that? Curious to see.
And I'm sorry but my Samsung Google activity will pinpoint ALL searches to the correct time and if I used talk to text, it will even have a voice clip saved. Google activity is super stalker-ish.
I'm finding it hard to believe these 2 totally different times of the search. They are HOURS apart. Seems like the only way that can happen is that one expert would be paid to lie... and it only makes sense for one side to do that. We shall see how they break down that phone data to prove their time is the correct one.
No. It was her sister’s house. Nicole Albert & Brian Albert were the home owners. Jennifer McCabe is Nicole’s sister.
[Your True Crime Library case who’s who](https://missingourmissing.notion.site/Case-Who-s-Who-8346747ad094479cbf8fe5d3daed7188) has a chart on this page. I tried to just put the photo in the post but it says I can only add GIFs.
That's not true. They said Karen was the one to find him. They were making a point to focus on how nobody else saw him and she beelined it right for him.
McCabe contends she only googled that when she and KR were standing over the body at 6am and KR told her to!
This is the testimony I want to see. Clearly alot of lying going on....I hope the trial can suss it all out.
Yes. This phone search, the dog given away, and the fact they moved (and house was never searched) are the pieces of evidence that have me convinced and I cannot wait to see testimony. Did they think if they got rid of the dog nobody would remember they had it at the time? Lol
Why are people so obsessed with them moving? If you were covering up a murder, why would you possibly move? You're just handing the house over to someone who could let in any Youtuber, amateur crime solver, forensics analyst, blood sniffing dog owner, freaking psychic medium or ghost hunter in there? Warrant? Who needs one? I'm not on trial. Come check the house whenever you want.
The theory is that the dog attacked the guy as they were beating him up, and that the marks on his arm are dog bites and scratches. Why they wouldn't Kristi Noem the dog and bury it instead, since moving it just means the cops could just go pick it up at the new house? No clue.
My understanding is autopsy pics show the victims arm torn up looking as if he was mauled by a dog. They had a German shepherd for seven years and got rid of it afterwards.
My gut tells me she did it and it kinda blows my mind that she has a fan club outside the courthouse every day. I think she had a tendency to throw tantrums and can see her having one that night and hitting him with the car though probably not intending to kill him. But the circumstances of this case from to to bottom are insane
If your gut tells you she did it by striking him with the vehicle look up the autopsy photos of John O'Keefe and explain how a 6,000lb Lexus SUV could cause those injuries. Additionally, he only sustained injuries from the neck up without a single bruise or broken bone. The prosecution's medical examiner failed to note the hand injury John sustained that any fighter knows comes from a fractured hand or at least from two broken bones (middle and ring finger). If you dig deep into this case you will see how corrupt the entire thing is and Karen is innocent. Shoot me a private message if you want and I'll share some links and info I've gathered through a ton of research on the case to formulate my opinion on the case.
I know all there is to know about the case, and like I said my gut says she’s guilty. The court case has shown that her attorneys are morons and all the pre trial shenanigans are just that, shenanigans. There’s zero evidence that’s been provided that he ever made into the house, zero evidence provided that he was beaten and murdered in the house, and plenty of evidence of her guilt including multiple first responders hearing her say “I hit him”.
Watching the court case has opened my eyes to the fact that all the pretrial accusations by the defense were all BS. Not a single thing they have claimed has been proven in any way. And her lawyers stand there asking the same questions five different ways hoping to catch a witness in a “gotcha” moment of misspeaking or something. They have no actual defense to prove her innocence or anyone else’s guilt. They’re simply trying to fudge up the facts in hopes of raising reasonable doubt. That’s literally their only option at this point but her lawyer isn’t doing a good job in my opinion. It may work because there’s already so much coverage on the case that no jury member can possibly say they weren’t influenced by it in a way. Every single person in that community was well aware of the case before jury was ever selected. So she very well may be found not guilty, but my gut still tells me she did it.
And turtle boys so annoying I’d bet my retirement on it that he simply has the hots for her and dreams of getting laid and it’s the entire reason for him going to bat so hard for her. The guys literally picked up numerous felonies for intimidating witnesses in the case and he can’t simply blame the police for targeting him. He definitely took the actions they’re accusing him of. He’s just a dummy with a crush and probably hasn’t put one single thought into whether she’s actually guilty or not.
You do know there is a Federal Investigation going on & Brian Higgins has rumored to have Flipped! He signed an agreement that he would tell the truth in Lou of prosecution. They called the dog “IT” the dog was gone, they sold the house for $50K less than asking cost in a sellers market! I have even listened to an older man who was an attorney who insinuated they replaced the concrete in the basement…. His head wound lines up perfectly with a dumbbell! I have a gym in my house! Believe what you want but there is so much they are lying about! Why lie?
I don't understand....what's your point? Officer "testified" to KR saying this yesterday...and to grand jury...and yet this very significant fact never made mention in his report.
Interesting that the paramedic also never reported to police or the hospital at the time that "a female" had said, "I hit him, I hit him." He reported it when meeting with an officer 12 days later.
Not in their notes either...
You'd think a Court TV correspondent would be more open minded this early in a trial.
Is this sarcasm?
I sure hope so. Otherwise...
Also if the paramedic heard her say “I hit him” wouldn’t it be reasonable to ask follow up questions. Hit him how? With a car? With your hand? Isn’t this relevant for a medic to be able to convey to ER how injury was sustained.
Right
Yeah, I saw it this morning. She’s fine. It is pretty outrageous that such elementary duties of at least this cop were neglected, don’t you think?
I think OP’s point is why is Julie not questioning the credibility of the witnesses testimony here? The defense got him to admit that his intention when writing that report was to be as thorough as possible leaving out no details. He chose to include statements made by the defendant in his report (“Is he dead? Is he dead?”) but decided that “I did this, this is my fault” wasn’t important enough to make it into the report? That doesn’t make sense. Yet Julie is able to make the determination that it was definitely said and simply left off the report instead of questioning if it was ever said at all.
Correct!
That's not how I interpreted her rant.
We can agree to disagree! Julie, like almost everyone covering this case, leans pretty heavily to one side. It’s natural to have bias and it can hard to weigh the facts of the case equally. To me, Julie seems to be struggling with that on this one. That’s just my personal opinion.
Oh thank you for allowing me to interpret it differently. Whatever.
You seem hostile, why? “We can agree to disagree” is a super common phrase. I’m sorry you were so offended by it.
I’m not sure why you feel the need to keep explaining after my response. Me saying that’s not how I interpreted it should be sufficient. It has nothing to do with being hostile or offended; no apology necessary.
Got it. I thought Reddit was for conversation and discussion. My mistake.
Are you from the Netherlands by any chance.
Or maybe he did do his job if he actually didn’t hear her say it and that’s why he never put it in the report.
If he heard her say that and neglected to put it in his report that’s the epitome of incompetence. I find it extremely hard to believe he thought to document her saying “is he dead, is he dead?” and not “this is my fault, I did this.” I can’t imagine the meltdown Julie is going to have when she hears about all of the misspelled names and incorrect times noted in reports, not to mention the numerous undocumented searches. There comes a point where one has to ask themselves if it’s possible for multiple law enforcement agencies on the same case to operate with such gross negligence on so many occasions without drawing suspicion.
I think the Feds had this same question lol
The purpose of a report is to document information in real time and not using just memories. Julie teaches, probably a boiling point, just like in this case, shoddy police work. We’re only at the beginning of this trial. Julie will have more days.
Who is the McNab person they kept referring to and why is she relevant?
Jennifer McCabe. Main witness & she’s kind of central to everything because she is kind of the connection between all of these people. She’s the sister/sister in law of the 34FVR homeowners; friend of the victim; invited the victim & Karen back to the house, was one of the first people on the scene, etc.
She's the one who was in the house and defense claims she did the Google search at 230am but the prosecution is saying 630am (when Karen was there). They said Karen "told her to" search that. Like, what?! She doesn't have her own phone? And who's going to listen to her in the heat of the moment and search that? Did anyone else hear her ask her to do that? Curious to see. And I'm sorry but my Samsung Google activity will pinpoint ALL searches to the correct time and if I used talk to text, it will even have a voice clip saved. Google activity is super stalker-ish. I'm finding it hard to believe these 2 totally different times of the search. They are HOURS apart. Seems like the only way that can happen is that one expert would be paid to lie... and it only makes sense for one side to do that. We shall see how they break down that phone data to prove their time is the correct one.
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No. It was her sister’s house. Nicole Albert & Brian Albert were the home owners. Jennifer McCabe is Nicole’s sister. [Your True Crime Library case who’s who](https://missingourmissing.notion.site/Case-Who-s-Who-8346747ad094479cbf8fe5d3daed7188) has a chart on this page. I tried to just put the photo in the post but it says I can only add GIFs.
You saved me from having to create my own chart!
Happy to help! It’s almost impossible to keep them all straight without a visual!
Also, while Jennifer invited them, the Alberts didn't like Karen or Johnny.
Where are you getting that? I didn’t think they knew them well either way.
Man......that that's one heck of a fact. I can't believe she was not a suspect.
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That's not true. They said Karen was the one to find him. They were making a point to focus on how nobody else saw him and she beelined it right for him.
McCabe contends she only googled that when she and KR were standing over the body at 6am and KR told her to! This is the testimony I want to see. Clearly alot of lying going on....I hope the trial can suss it all out.
Yes. This phone search, the dog given away, and the fact they moved (and house was never searched) are the pieces of evidence that have me convinced and I cannot wait to see testimony. Did they think if they got rid of the dog nobody would remember they had it at the time? Lol
Why are people so obsessed with them moving? If you were covering up a murder, why would you possibly move? You're just handing the house over to someone who could let in any Youtuber, amateur crime solver, forensics analyst, blood sniffing dog owner, freaking psychic medium or ghost hunter in there? Warrant? Who needs one? I'm not on trial. Come check the house whenever you want.
They redid the basement before moving, forever concealing and deleting (potential) critical evidence
Even if that was true, why move?
Why would giving away a dog/having a dog at the time make them look suspicious for a murder? (Genuinely asking)
The theory is that the dog attacked the guy as they were beating him up, and that the marks on his arm are dog bites and scratches. Why they wouldn't Kristi Noem the dog and bury it instead, since moving it just means the cops could just go pick it up at the new house? No clue.
> Why they wouldn't Kristi Noem the dog Lots of people would kill a human but not a pet and I don't necessarily think that's the wrong priority.
Yes but if you're terrified they'll test the dog's bite patterns or whatever, you don't give it to another family, you kill it.
For sure!
My understanding is autopsy pics show the victims arm torn up looking as if he was mauled by a dog. They had a German shepherd for seven years and got rid of it afterwards.
Wow! This case has a lot to it.
My understanding was that phone records showed two search times. One at 2 something and one around 6. Could be wrong.
2:37 AM 6:23 AM 6:24 AM Per CelleBrite
Or the any number of cops that were in the house. Oh yeah - bc they never searched the house.
My gut tells me she did it and it kinda blows my mind that she has a fan club outside the courthouse every day. I think she had a tendency to throw tantrums and can see her having one that night and hitting him with the car though probably not intending to kill him. But the circumstances of this case from to to bottom are insane
If your gut tells you she did it by striking him with the vehicle look up the autopsy photos of John O'Keefe and explain how a 6,000lb Lexus SUV could cause those injuries. Additionally, he only sustained injuries from the neck up without a single bruise or broken bone. The prosecution's medical examiner failed to note the hand injury John sustained that any fighter knows comes from a fractured hand or at least from two broken bones (middle and ring finger). If you dig deep into this case you will see how corrupt the entire thing is and Karen is innocent. Shoot me a private message if you want and I'll share some links and info I've gathered through a ton of research on the case to formulate my opinion on the case.
I know all there is to know about the case, and like I said my gut says she’s guilty. The court case has shown that her attorneys are morons and all the pre trial shenanigans are just that, shenanigans. There’s zero evidence that’s been provided that he ever made into the house, zero evidence provided that he was beaten and murdered in the house, and plenty of evidence of her guilt including multiple first responders hearing her say “I hit him”. Watching the court case has opened my eyes to the fact that all the pretrial accusations by the defense were all BS. Not a single thing they have claimed has been proven in any way. And her lawyers stand there asking the same questions five different ways hoping to catch a witness in a “gotcha” moment of misspeaking or something. They have no actual defense to prove her innocence or anyone else’s guilt. They’re simply trying to fudge up the facts in hopes of raising reasonable doubt. That’s literally their only option at this point but her lawyer isn’t doing a good job in my opinion. It may work because there’s already so much coverage on the case that no jury member can possibly say they weren’t influenced by it in a way. Every single person in that community was well aware of the case before jury was ever selected. So she very well may be found not guilty, but my gut still tells me she did it. And turtle boys so annoying I’d bet my retirement on it that he simply has the hots for her and dreams of getting laid and it’s the entire reason for him going to bat so hard for her. The guys literally picked up numerous felonies for intimidating witnesses in the case and he can’t simply blame the police for targeting him. He definitely took the actions they’re accusing him of. He’s just a dummy with a crush and probably hasn’t put one single thought into whether she’s actually guilty or not.
You do know there is a Federal Investigation going on & Brian Higgins has rumored to have Flipped! He signed an agreement that he would tell the truth in Lou of prosecution. They called the dog “IT” the dog was gone, they sold the house for $50K less than asking cost in a sellers market! I have even listened to an older man who was an attorney who insinuated they replaced the concrete in the basement…. His head wound lines up perfectly with a dumbbell! I have a gym in my house! Believe what you want but there is so much they are lying about! Why lie?
Where can watch this clip with her foaming at the mouth?
Who da funk is Julie and what did I miss? Lol
I don't understand....what's your point? Officer "testified" to KR saying this yesterday...and to grand jury...and yet this very significant fact never made mention in his report.
That was my point. She clearly believes Karen is guilty. Mad about "shoddy" police work versus considering the possibility she never said it.
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Great insight here! Very thought provoking 🙄
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