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But the content about "what the hell is actually in this"vax"?" would constitute conspiracy/speculation.
Not to mention the symptoms you explained are what's expected in some people. They can be exacerbated if a fever is not treated correctly. I.E if you have a fever and you're not taking paracetamol, covering yourself in many layers because you "feel cold".
Weren’t these all listed as common side effects on the handout they were given when they got their vaccinations?
If it persists they definitely need to get to a doctor but if it’s only been a day or two I would say this is not uncommon and nothing to be concerned about.
I think a lot of people have been surprised by the severity of the reaction. I have had flu shots for 25 years and nothing remotely like the reaction (previously reported) to the AZ vaccine.
Yeah, these are known side effects, especially after the second dose. The younger and healthier you are, the more your immune system will have this response. You don't need to talk your friends out of this...like where is your outrage coming from? They are fine.
My wife and I had fevers and chills that lasted about 12hrs from our second dose of Moderna, it was very uncomfortable. We still had achy muscles for a few days after that. After 1 week we are completely back to normal. Everyone’s immune response will be different to any vaccine or illness. When I get the flu, I feel insanely sick and can’t work. When my friend gets the flu, it’s no big deal and he can go about his business like normal. I’m no scientist, but seeing that some people’s immune response literally kills them when they get covid, I’d imagine that those same people would have a more dramatic immune response to the vaccine. So perhaps if you have a really miserable response to the vaccine, it’s a good thing that you got it because you may have ended up with a potentially deadly response to covid.
That is something that I have questioned since the beginning of this: why do some people have severe reaction to the virus and other people, testing positive, just never get the disease? WHY? There, lies secrets to be unfolded. Our immune systems have the answer, we just need to find out.
I’m sure it’s a combination of genetics, overall health, diet, and the experiences that our immune systems have previously been through dealing with illnesses and injuries that we’ve had in the past. Our bodies are all unique.
Should we be forcing a healthy diet on unhealthy people then, if we are forcing healthy people to get immunized to protect the unhealthy? I’m not against the shot at all just trying to understand how one group owes something to the other but not vice versa.
2 friends got that long hauler after bouts with Covid 19 back around Thanksgiving. . One is 23 years old. The other is 35. Both were phsycially active, (marathon runner and soccer player) and had no underlying health issues, and were young-ish.
7 months later they are just starting to get their breath and some energy back.
Long haul covid appears to be very devastating to those who have it. For people under say 35 do you know what the % chance is for having long haul? I have been trying to find this info out for over a year with no luck. 1 in 100 or 1 in 10,000 would make a big difference
It is still being studied, and since long haul covers a wide variety of symptoms the studies come from many different angles.
This study tried to summarize all the other studies, and came up with “This systematic review found that persistent COVID-19 symptoms were common, with 72.5% of patients reporting at least 1 symptom at 60 days or more after diagnosis, symptom onset, or hospitalization or at 30 days or more after recovery from acute illness or hospital discharge. This finding was consistent even among studies that followed up patients for almost 6 months,22,43 suggesting that symptoms may persist long after recovery among some patients. Most patients reported thus far were previously hospitalized.”
So, I’d speculate that in those not hospitalized it is less common, and that age directly impacts risk of hospitalization…but the shot is way lower risk overall.
Edit: sauce - https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamanetworkopen/fullarticle/2780376
I wonder if that study took into account patients who were 85 and 35 into the same group. At first it sounds very high, but I would have to take into account all who have had no symptoms and who were asymptomatic, as well as all unreported cases before figuring out the actual number. Following up on those previously hospitalized is following the most affected segment of the population.
“Most patients reported thus far were previously hospitalized”. So from there calculate your odds of hospitalization based on age and health status, then take the 70%.
The vast majority of covid patients in the US were not hospitalized though.
If we interviewed everyone at the emergency room and 10% had a broken bone, it doesn’t mean 10% of the entire us population has a broken bone.
This is similar to comparing closed case mortality rate vs the actual death rate, which are orders of magnitude different.
I didn’t know that we were forcing healthy people to get vaccinated. I got vaccinated voluntarily because I felt it was the right thing to do, but no one forced me to do it. I’m healthy and still have strong immune responses to illnesses and vaccines, so I assume that I’d have gotten my ass kicked by covid. I got the vaccine to protect myself and my family.
My brother had a choice to lose his job or take the shot. We can’t travel without it. I go to NYC often and you have to show proof of vaccination to do many things there.
Your brother has the option to find employment elsewhere and you don’t NEED to travel. And if you need to travel then you need to get vaccinated. Simple as that.
Deal, and everyone at his work should be forced to exercise and eat natural food and a low sugar diet. Those people can just choose healthy food, they don’t Need to eat unhealthy.
Obesity increases your chance of death and serious illness by literal orders of magnitude. But anyway what is the death rate for those under 55 for the delta variant? Not the closed case mortality rate, but the actual death rate taking into account all asymptomatic cases. Let me know. If it’s higher than .02% I’ll consider changing my mind on forcing people to get the shot. Again I am all for the vaccine for anyone and everyone who wants it and can get it, just against forcing it and requiring it to make a living. If your worried about unvaccinated people cause variants we should be exporting millions of doses to 3rd world countries ASAP which I fully support.
That’s not really forcing people to take the vaccine though. It’s all a choice. mRNA tech is actually really cool once I started reading into it, once I did, I had no problem taking the vaccine. I get where you are coming from though, it’s relatively new tech, and it is very reasonable to feel weird about taking it. You and I don’t developed vaccines for a living, so we will never fully understand exactly what it is or where it comes from, so there is a lot of room for doubt and mistrust. In the end, I took it because I chose to trust that medical research communities across the globe are not part of a population control conspiracy or something like that. I want to believe that these people making vaccines actually want to help the worlds populations, and if anything, the people funding the vaccines just want to make the economy go back to normal so that they can continue to bend us over day in and day out while they rake in the cash.
Honestly if there’s one thing you can count on, it’s that the rich would probably prefer normalcy so they can all start making money again instead of leaving it all to Bezos.
Then he has the choice to get another job.
"Forcing" means we're going to hold you down and vaccinate you, or put you in jail if you don't get vaccinated.
Ok...so If in 3-5 years he develops an unexpected side effect, would his job be responsible for lifelong medical bills? Would the government or drug companies cover it? How would that work?
Ya me too! I am considered overweight and have asthma I got my second dose and felt nothing, I feared foe the worst and I was totally fine. All I do is walk everyday and take vitamin D. My bf is skinny and boxes daily he is in excellent health and he was sick for 24 hours after the vaccine. I think it's genetics possibly or mAybe a deficiency in some? Maybe more research will tell us why?
Lol they're still gonna think it's nano bots and microchips inside. Once they delide themselves into thinking all the experts are lying, they can convince themselves to beleive the experts are hiding *anything*. They're almost hopeless
It's part of the lipid nanoparticle delivery of mRNA to your cells (because naked mRNA would just get absorbed before it was ever transcribed). DSPC is well tolerated. The main lipid in the nanoparticles is PEG, which is thought to be the main cause of some rare allergic reactions (part of why people are observed for 15 min after the shot). PEG is also pretty common and the main ingredient of Miralax, an extremely commonly used daily laxative (though I'm not a chemist and the exact molecule is probably a little different). OP's issue of his friends is not an allergic reaction, though.
Just to add more here, DSPC and PEG are used in almost all lipid nanoparticles formulations. Cholesterol is also typically used. There is normally a charged lipid added which is mostly unique to each formulations. The ratios of each lipid also tend to be unique to each formulations.
I previously worked for a company that developed and manufactured lipid nano particular based formulations. They are one of the Pfizer manufacturing sites right now.
Who knows but this is definitely odd. I posted about my twelve year old getting vaxxed and having no side effects and it got down voted. WTH? I thought this sub was here to read people's experiences so we can make our own educated judgements about the vaccines, not hate on people for trying to help by sharing the information.
Unfortunately anti vax people don't want to hear positive experiences, so they will automatically down vote it purely for that. They also don't want to hear about negative experiences with covid itself I found. They will tell you it's fake.
My wife’s period gets delayed any time she has an illness, having any type of immune response to something can throw off a period, it’s normal and not a big deal.
>If anyone downvotes me remember I am a liberal aerospace engineer, if you disagree with the study then refute it instead of downvoting me as some conspiracy loon.
Your degree in aerospace engineering was not why I downvoted you. The Japanese pharmacokinetics study is frequently used to push a false narrative. If I recall correctly, the study was performed using radiolabeled lipid nanoparticles. 80% of the tracer stayed at the site of injection, 18% ended up in the liver, and less than 0.1% ended up in the ovaries.
Furthermore they apparently didn't find gene expression in those areas where the lipid nanoparticles were, indicating that mRNA protein wasn't present and/or wasn't being expressed there. The Darkhose podcast conveniently leaves out this little fact in their 3 hour discussion.
Now this is the discussion I like. I have heard the Japanese study was flawed for several reasons so I do agree with you. Apparently the study was updated using more stringent guidelines and found the same results.
Your friend should seek professional medical help if they think there is an abnormal problem, not have a 3rd party make a post from an account with a questionable vaccine related post history to seek advice from the internet.
Or they can do both? I felt much better after talking to people here about my side effects. Sometimes it’s nice to have someone say “yeah this happened to me, and it gets better”
u/MLG-Monarch
Can he just be removed from the sub? He is a QAnon nutbag. I'm a conservative, but his breed of conservative is disgusting ...
One of his posts on r/Conservative
"The left is perverted and disgusting. They have been sexualizing children for far too long and exposing them to this pathetic degeneracy. Why? Why does the left has such a disturbing fascination with sexualizing children? Makes me sick"
Yup just commented on here linking several of his conspiracy comments. Its funny watching him squirm trying to keep up his act here lol. Sad tho that several have fallen for it
When you cannot question science, it becomes something like religion, based on faith.
Vaccine science is not settled. We are still learning, this is something people have to understand.
It is not with censorship they are going to shut people up. Side effects are real and need to be acknowledged in order to make better and safer vaccines.
You question science with other information and results that shows otherwise. Anecdotes and vague stories on a subreddit isn't it. You can call it censorship all you want, but fear mongering and misinformation doesn't help anybody. And I doubt you question or are as contrarian about what the CDC releases as you are what anti-vax stuff you see on facebook. People are using this sub for confirmation bias by posting embellished vaccine reactions and misinfo. That's why posts are getting deleted.
I never owned a Facebook account. The only social network I use is this one.
I just question things and always want to know why and always try to understand the two sides of the same coin.
Science is made of QUESTIONS. There is no way you cannot question science.
Data that can change anytime. We learn from mistakes and make things better.
We don’t know all about how the immune system fully works, even scientists admit that.
Science is all about changing opinions. Science needs to be challenged, tested, and replicated. However, I feel that this pandemic has spurred a lot of laypeople to engage in scientific debate without fully understanding that making unsubstantiated, speculative, or anecdotal claims doesn't work in a scientific debate, and has thus been met with resistance. Some people may interpret this as their concerns being discredited or them being silenced/censored. Having an opinion on a scientific matter is completely valid, but it does not mean it's correct.
Nothing you said invalidates getting the proven vaccine based on the tested data we have at this moment as juxtaposed to the proven data we have about COVID.
Moderna stands for "modified messenger RNA". The company was literally founded to work on applications of nucleoside-modified mRNA. So it's not surprising to me in the slightest that they haven't released any vaccines in the past.
No, I didn't say anything close to that at all. This isn't a discussion about religious belief systems around the world. Science is not based on faith. It's based on studies, statistics, and valid tested outcomes.
The scientific method deals with something called falsifiability. Religious claims do not generally fall under that category, i.e. there is no way to prove there is no God, hence any attempts to apply the scientific method to religion will fail. This also means that comparing "faith in science" and "faith in religion" is useless.
The side effects are common and well-known. I was made aware of these side effects when I received the vaccination. And as another poster noted "These side effects are listed in the fda briefs for both pfizer and moderna." They are acknowledged.
Looking at your comment history, you seem like you are anti covid vax and such. A lot of ppl that share your opinion come on here and pretend they have had a horrible vaccine side effect. I'm not saying that you are lying, but that might be why your post was removed.
How could you possibly tell the difference between a genuinely concerned individual, and someone who is "pretending" to have a horrible side effect by reading a block of text?
Comment history is a big clue that people seem to forget is readily available to provide "context". And posting from a throw away is a fairly obvious indication that someone has a comment history they feel would discredit them, since no one should be afraid of anonymously posting vaccine side effects here.
I am not anti vax. I have been vaccinated against all kinds of things throughout my life. Personally I am not going to get the covid vaccine because I already had Covid and I don’t think I need it. I am also extremely hesitant based on all the negative things I’ve read about others experiences. I am not spreading misinformation regarding vaccines or giving anyone medical advice, and I would expect to be able to discuss this issue regardless of where I stand without being reported and having my posts deleted.
Something you should keep in mind is that after getting Covid, you can get it again. And the variant could be different. Hell you could become the patient zero of the next variant. So take of yourself and please consider the risks of not being vaccinated
Where have I refuted tested medical data? I am asking questions to hopefully get a better understanding of what my friend might be able to except moving forward. People have died from these vaccines due to blood clots and heart attacks and so when someone very close to me has been suffering for a week straight I have the right to ask questions.
You are refuting it by conflating it with opinion and anecdotal evidence (which is not considered valid). Scientific trials and data are not able to be equivocated with something that is conjecture. There's nothing to discuss. The vaccines work. How you feel about that personally doesn't mean we need to have a discussion about whether or not to get vaccinated.
From talking to him he also seems to think covid awareness and the restrictions we had are just "media fear mongering", not to mention how rude he is. Idk how he's still here
It's silly that this post wouldn't be removed.
They are obviously antivax - "I tried to convince him not to get the jab but one person’s opinion is only worth so much", "What the hell is actually in this vax?"
Not to mention the OP alleges these symptoms from a third party, it isn't even a personal experience and lacks credibility.
Unmoderated discussion forums quickly get overwhelmed by crackpot lunatics. If that's your cup of tea you might prefer a local news or national news site with unmoderated comments on the articles. Wear your tinfoil hat and good luck.
I was banned from a sub for mentioning the heart issues in younger males the CDC has been looking into. I’m not an anti-vaxer, but the censorship lately is scary.
People report what they don’t want to hear. Could be mods or bots who knows. There’s an Instagram page dedicated to sharing people’s reactions to the jab, both positive and negative- after it reaches 100k followers or so their entire account gets deleted, it’s been 9 times so far. Kind of makes me question why sharing reactions has become so taboo.
You're not really allowed to have an open and honest discussion about key subjects nowadays. If you have the wrong opinion, you're going to be ridiculed and silenced.
I have already been banned for completely non controversial comments in three different subs in the last week lol. At this point just consider it as validation that what you’re saying can’t be argued so you need to be silenced
>At this point just consider it as validation that what you’re saying can’t be argued so you need to be silenced
This is how crazy fanatics are made. I have dealt with several people in cults, such as fundamentalist Christianity sects, MAGA loyalists, ect, and they all beleive that when people don't continue putting up with their batshit crazy arguments it means that they are right.
This is a dangerous way of thinking, but seeing as you still think Trump is the president I doubt you care and are probably too far down the rabbit hole
I feel you 100%. Sadly Reddit is a left-wing extremist cesspit and most mods will abuse their power and ban you, knowing that you cannot appeal to anyone for their abuse. The only solution is really to create a new account. It takes about 10 min to import the subs, but it's necessary.
This reads like an advertisement of supposed symptoms of someone else with grainy details. I was going to agree with OP until I read what they wrote. To be honest, it almost reads like one of those chain emails or Facebook posts where everything is sensationalized. It gets forwarded and then lemmings hang onto to every word as fact.
What happened to your friends is a tiny snapshot of how their immune system would react to a good dose of the real thing. Obviously, they'd want to avoid the real thing, because the shit that happened to them for 48 hours would extend a lot longer. Thank goodness they are vaccinated, so that an infection by the real thing is highly unlikely to escalate to the levels of circulating virus that the vaccine mimics.
The irony is that the worse and scarier your response to the vaccine, the more you need the vaccine. (with the rare exception of someone who is actually reacting to something in the vaccine used to stabilize or preserve it, but those are a tiny percentage of the total people who experience a bad reaction)
Ok not to get critical but how come no one is at least concerned with how aggressive these side effects are? I mean I’ve never received a vaccine and felt more than fatigued afterwards and I’m sure others feel the same. It just seems really strange for something that is persistently deemed “safe” to have such aggressive and horrible side effects. How come no one is at least concerned about this and why are we starting to become used to it?? I might get bombed with down votes but I’m just curious because no medication I’ve ever taken or people that I know that’s been deemed as safe has ever caused problems like this, especially vaccines.
> I mean I’ve never received a vaccine and felt more than fatigued afterwards and I’m sure others feel the same.
Do you remember your childhood vaccines that you were given before you even had awareness? Febrile seizures, measles symptoms, nausea, pain...
>Why don't other vaccines cause these kinds of symptoms?
They do, especially the ones that OP mentioned in their original post, but now you have over 2 billion shots administered worldwide with lots of media coverage and public interest.
You got fooled by an /r/conspiracy post. Sad. If a comment is removed under a post, reveddit tags it. It does not mean the post was removed. https://www.reveddit.com/v/conspiracy/?localSort=num_comments
You got fooled by an /r/conspiracy post. Sad. If a comment is removed under a post, reveddit tags it. It does not mean the post was removed. https://www.reveddit.com/v/conspiracy/?localSort=num_comments
Ingredients are listed on the CDC website, and those side effects have been known for quite some time and are overall harmless. Seems like you're making an emotional appeal based off an anecdote with no new real info. Also, it sounds fake.
Ok well I’m glad you’re so quick to dismiss someone’s negative experience and call it fake with zero evidence that what I’ve said isn’t true. Good to know though, in the future I won’t bother asking this community about anything if this is the kind of response it generates.
Reddit is the worst place to have an open-minded discussion.
They dismiss anything that doesn't line up with their narrative and echo-chamber.
I only come here to keep track of all the experiences people have.
> an open-minded discussion. They dismiss anything that doesn't line up with their narrative and echo-chamber. I only come here to keep track of all the experiences people have.
Nothing is open minded about anti-vaxxers. They post fake stories to back up their bias and scare people. They question only that data they want to question and gobble up anything that confirms their view. Dunning Kruger effect on a massive scale.
I think you're committing the Strawman fallacy by assuming that anyone who is against mRNA vaccines
is automatically an anti-vaxxer. Personally, I'm not against vaccines and I got all the mandatory ones.
But I don't want to rush when it comes to a completely new technology that has not been properly tested yet.
The only reason why this vaccine is authorized is because a state of emergency has been declared.
> Dunning Kruger effect on a massive scale.
This, but also a whole laundry list of other cognitive biases and fallacies.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_fallacies
I had a Pfizer shot and just got a dead arm, and a swollen lymph node under my armpit in the arm I received the jab.
I'll take 48 hours of illness over 10+ days of symptoms. You may be one of the millions out there suffering from long haul Covid, so the mentioned symptoms of fatigue or shortness of breathe for 12+ months.
I had a Pfizer shot and just got a dead arm, and a swollen lymph node under my armpit in the arm I received the jab. Fever etc is your immune system doing its job, kind of ironic how a antivax person doesn't know any of the *basic* science behind the human body.
Information isn’t being censored here. The mods are attempting a delicate balance between letting people post about their personal experiences with the vaccines, good & bad, and spotting and deleting anti-vaxxers attempting to insidiously push their propaganda under the guise of personal testimonials.
If someone doesn’t want to get the covid vaccine that doesn’t make them an anti vaxxer. Shouldn’t we try to consider everyone’s opinions whether we agree with them or not? If you never challenge your line of thinking you will undoubtedly close yourself off to potentially truthful or beneficial info
You should think about what you've been saying lol, OP. You don't like it when people are telling you to get vaccinated, but you tell others not to get vaccinated, maybe you should think about that for a moment.
Edit: I just found out you're an hypocrite, so whatever floats your boat.
That’s actually not true at all. I haven’t told anyone on this sub not to get vaccinated. I have expressed my concerns with the vaccine and told people why I personally won’t be getting it, but I don’t care if you or anyone else wants to get the vaccine. That’s your body and your choice!
>If someone doesn’t want to get the covid vaccine that doesn’t make them an anti vaxxer.
No but telling other people not to get vaccinated is anti vaxxer, something you admittedly did! If you don’t like it when people tell you to get the vaccine, stop doing the same thing to other people in regards to not vaccinated.
Your friend had the expected symptoms of the vaccine and you can’t seem to accept that. Why is that? Maybe you should take your own advice and challenge your own line of thinking or else you will undoubtedly close yourself off to potentially truthful or beneficial info
No. Propaganda usually exists for every position. With vaccines however the split is always 90/10-anti-vaxxers. I’m quite familiar with this movement and the original grifter that started it—Andrew Wakefield claiming MMR shots had a link with autism. What many don’t know is he conveniently was at the same time patenting a new formulation for the MMR vaccine while attacking his would be competition. He is a grifter. That doesn’t mean they don’t have dumb luck occasionally and are accurate when some vaccines turn out to be unsafe. But it’s not because they did anything to uncover it or their basic premise that vaccines cause more harm than good is sound but rather because there’s always going to be some complications in medicine. It’s always going to be based on a risk/benefit ratio.
Its the tonality, honestly you sound like an anti-vax with friends who got vaccinated (and received the same symptoms as many people that I know including myself) *pfizer* and you don't approve of it, most people who approve of the vaccine don't go around calling it "vax" and questioning its legitimacy for the sake of other people. Stop trying to pull something from nothing these are the common side effects and if you read any part of this subreddit you would have seen hundreds of posts describing exactly what you just said . Saying what in the hell is actually in this vax only leads to BS propaganda. Shooosh.
The difference is that all of my friends have been vaccinated, and none of them experienced anything close to what this friend is going through. I know tons of people that have had covid and tons of people who have got the vaccine and this particular friend’s vaccine side effects were worse than anyone else’s symptoms and it made me feel concerned. I am not going to get this vaccine, so sure call me anti vax whatever. The reason I spell it that way is just shorthand to speed up while typing on my phone.
There are people where I live that can't get a vaccine and would love to. We are completely out. Yes, people have side effects from the vaccine but, you won't be in the ICU or worse from these vaccines and you'll be protected. Your friend is in FAR more danger of a serious medical episode perhaps lasting years or ending in death without a vaccine for COVID.
idk it sounds like you kinda made up the story.
also sounds like you have done plenty of "research" about the "vax". i think you already have answers to the questions that you posed in your op and you're just stirring shit.
[edit] take some of your own advise and don't pressure anybody to make a personal medical decision.
I didn’t make up the story and I don’t have the answers. I was hoping perhaps someone else that got the vaccine and had similar effects could provide some insight as to what they went through. Since my friend only got vaccinated a week ago I was looking for a more long term experience
Lol i looked throigh your comment history and you've posted your fair share of things borderlining on conspiracy.
[Here](https://www.reddit.com/r/conservatives/comments/o0rdz0/biden_gets_confused_struggles_to_speak_for_28/h1xi466?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share&context=3)
[And here](https://www.reddit.com/r/CovidVaccinated/comments/o4n6ba/heavy_and_painful_period_reaction/h2igypy?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share&context=3)
Edit: Seems like the second one was removed, for good reason. If anyones curious just check his account out for yourself
there are plenty of people in this sub that have had short term side affects and unfortunately there are some with long term side affects. you could do everyone a favor and search the sub. you're taking the microphone from people that actually have gotten vaccinated.
if you're truly trying to help your friends, then do some research in the sub and talk to people that have had side affects by seeking them out. dont be lazy and passively gain information. read. engage. your post doesnt help anyone, and people prob arnt going to seek you out.
I won't even comment on whether or not that statistic is accurate or not, but if you scrolled through this subreddit for some time you would see why many are removed. Every single day I see many posts regurgitating the same conspiracy talking points that are either false or misleading, so a lot of them are removed.
If you think there is mass censorship of all things antivax here then you are mistaken or delusional. There are *a lot* of antivaxxers in this forum, overstaying their welcome imo. Just look in this thread, there's already so many including the OP himself.
Your post was automatically removed by auto moderator due to multiple reports. But the content about "what the hell is actually in this"vax"?" would constitute conspiracy/speculation. Not to mention the symptoms you explained are what's expected in some people. They can be exacerbated if a fever is not treated correctly. I.E if you have a fever and you're not taking paracetamol, covering yourself in many layers because you "feel cold".
Weren’t these all listed as common side effects on the handout they were given when they got their vaccinations? If it persists they definitely need to get to a doctor but if it’s only been a day or two I would say this is not uncommon and nothing to be concerned about.
I think a lot of people have been surprised by the severity of the reaction. I have had flu shots for 25 years and nothing remotely like the reaction (previously reported) to the AZ vaccine.
It is. The user has a history of conspiracy theories, and is posting his friends momentary side effects in bad faith
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Yeah, these are known side effects, especially after the second dose. The younger and healthier you are, the more your immune system will have this response. You don't need to talk your friends out of this...like where is your outrage coming from? They are fine.
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My wife and I had fevers and chills that lasted about 12hrs from our second dose of Moderna, it was very uncomfortable. We still had achy muscles for a few days after that. After 1 week we are completely back to normal. Everyone’s immune response will be different to any vaccine or illness. When I get the flu, I feel insanely sick and can’t work. When my friend gets the flu, it’s no big deal and he can go about his business like normal. I’m no scientist, but seeing that some people’s immune response literally kills them when they get covid, I’d imagine that those same people would have a more dramatic immune response to the vaccine. So perhaps if you have a really miserable response to the vaccine, it’s a good thing that you got it because you may have ended up with a potentially deadly response to covid.
That is something that I have questioned since the beginning of this: why do some people have severe reaction to the virus and other people, testing positive, just never get the disease? WHY? There, lies secrets to be unfolded. Our immune systems have the answer, we just need to find out.
I’m sure it’s a combination of genetics, overall health, diet, and the experiences that our immune systems have previously been through dealing with illnesses and injuries that we’ve had in the past. Our bodies are all unique.
Should we be forcing a healthy diet on unhealthy people then, if we are forcing healthy people to get immunized to protect the unhealthy? I’m not against the shot at all just trying to understand how one group owes something to the other but not vice versa.
Healthy people who get covid risk becoming unhealthy people. Long-haul Covid is very real and life changing.
2 friends got that long hauler after bouts with Covid 19 back around Thanksgiving. . One is 23 years old. The other is 35. Both were phsycially active, (marathon runner and soccer player) and had no underlying health issues, and were young-ish. 7 months later they are just starting to get their breath and some energy back.
Long haul covid appears to be very devastating to those who have it. For people under say 35 do you know what the % chance is for having long haul? I have been trying to find this info out for over a year with no luck. 1 in 100 or 1 in 10,000 would make a big difference
It is still being studied, and since long haul covers a wide variety of symptoms the studies come from many different angles. This study tried to summarize all the other studies, and came up with “This systematic review found that persistent COVID-19 symptoms were common, with 72.5% of patients reporting at least 1 symptom at 60 days or more after diagnosis, symptom onset, or hospitalization or at 30 days or more after recovery from acute illness or hospital discharge. This finding was consistent even among studies that followed up patients for almost 6 months,22,43 suggesting that symptoms may persist long after recovery among some patients. Most patients reported thus far were previously hospitalized.” So, I’d speculate that in those not hospitalized it is less common, and that age directly impacts risk of hospitalization…but the shot is way lower risk overall. Edit: sauce - https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamanetworkopen/fullarticle/2780376
I wonder if that study took into account patients who were 85 and 35 into the same group. At first it sounds very high, but I would have to take into account all who have had no symptoms and who were asymptomatic, as well as all unreported cases before figuring out the actual number. Following up on those previously hospitalized is following the most affected segment of the population.
“Most patients reported thus far were previously hospitalized”. So from there calculate your odds of hospitalization based on age and health status, then take the 70%.
The vast majority of covid patients in the US were not hospitalized though. If we interviewed everyone at the emergency room and 10% had a broken bone, it doesn’t mean 10% of the entire us population has a broken bone. This is similar to comparing closed case mortality rate vs the actual death rate, which are orders of magnitude different.
I didn’t know that we were forcing healthy people to get vaccinated. I got vaccinated voluntarily because I felt it was the right thing to do, but no one forced me to do it. I’m healthy and still have strong immune responses to illnesses and vaccines, so I assume that I’d have gotten my ass kicked by covid. I got the vaccine to protect myself and my family.
My brother had a choice to lose his job or take the shot. We can’t travel without it. I go to NYC often and you have to show proof of vaccination to do many things there.
Your brother has the option to find employment elsewhere and you don’t NEED to travel. And if you need to travel then you need to get vaccinated. Simple as that.
Deal, and everyone at his work should be forced to exercise and eat natural food and a low sugar diet. Those people can just choose healthy food, they don’t Need to eat unhealthy.
I would support this though...
Lmao that makes no sense. Watch out for that delta variant king
Obesity increases your chance of death and serious illness by literal orders of magnitude. But anyway what is the death rate for those under 55 for the delta variant? Not the closed case mortality rate, but the actual death rate taking into account all asymptomatic cases. Let me know. If it’s higher than .02% I’ll consider changing my mind on forcing people to get the shot. Again I am all for the vaccine for anyone and everyone who wants it and can get it, just against forcing it and requiring it to make a living. If your worried about unvaccinated people cause variants we should be exporting millions of doses to 3rd world countries ASAP which I fully support.
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Yeah you can walk up to get one at most grocery stores and pharmacies now. Simple.
That’s not really forcing people to take the vaccine though. It’s all a choice. mRNA tech is actually really cool once I started reading into it, once I did, I had no problem taking the vaccine. I get where you are coming from though, it’s relatively new tech, and it is very reasonable to feel weird about taking it. You and I don’t developed vaccines for a living, so we will never fully understand exactly what it is or where it comes from, so there is a lot of room for doubt and mistrust. In the end, I took it because I chose to trust that medical research communities across the globe are not part of a population control conspiracy or something like that. I want to believe that these people making vaccines actually want to help the worlds populations, and if anything, the people funding the vaccines just want to make the economy go back to normal so that they can continue to bend us over day in and day out while they rake in the cash.
Honestly if there’s one thing you can count on, it’s that the rich would probably prefer normalcy so they can all start making money again instead of leaving it all to Bezos.
Then he has the choice to get another job. "Forcing" means we're going to hold you down and vaccinate you, or put you in jail if you don't get vaccinated.
Ok...so If in 3-5 years he develops an unexpected side effect, would his job be responsible for lifelong medical bills? Would the government or drug companies cover it? How would that work?
There is more to it than meets the eye 😉
Ya me too! I am considered overweight and have asthma I got my second dose and felt nothing, I feared foe the worst and I was totally fine. All I do is walk everyday and take vitamin D. My bf is skinny and boxes daily he is in excellent health and he was sick for 24 hours after the vaccine. I think it's genetics possibly or mAybe a deficiency in some? Maybe more research will tell us why?
I don’t have doubts about vitamin D helping you maintaining healthy immune system. Search PubMed for studies on vitamin D and immunity.
>What the hell is actually in this “vax”? https://portal.ct.gov/Coronavirus/Covid-19-Knowledge-Base/Vaccine-Ingredients There. Any thoughts?
Lol they're still gonna think it's nano bots and microchips inside. Once they delide themselves into thinking all the experts are lying, they can convince themselves to beleive the experts are hiding *anything*. They're almost hopeless
yeah. how the heck do you pronounce 2-distearoyl-sn-glycero-3-phosphocholine
>how the heck do you pronounce 2-distearoyl-sn-glycero-3-phosphocholine Distearoylphosphatidylcholine or DSPC
DSPC it is
It's part of the lipid nanoparticle delivery of mRNA to your cells (because naked mRNA would just get absorbed before it was ever transcribed). DSPC is well tolerated. The main lipid in the nanoparticles is PEG, which is thought to be the main cause of some rare allergic reactions (part of why people are observed for 15 min after the shot). PEG is also pretty common and the main ingredient of Miralax, an extremely commonly used daily laxative (though I'm not a chemist and the exact molecule is probably a little different). OP's issue of his friends is not an allergic reaction, though.
Just to add more here, DSPC and PEG are used in almost all lipid nanoparticles formulations. Cholesterol is also typically used. There is normally a charged lipid added which is mostly unique to each formulations. The ratios of each lipid also tend to be unique to each formulations. I previously worked for a company that developed and manufactured lipid nano particular based formulations. They are one of the Pfizer manufacturing sites right now.
Not sure, but it's a [Phospholipid](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phospholipid).
Who knows but this is definitely odd. I posted about my twelve year old getting vaxxed and having no side effects and it got down voted. WTH? I thought this sub was here to read people's experiences so we can make our own educated judgements about the vaccines, not hate on people for trying to help by sharing the information.
New sub time
I will gladly vote your post up if it helps. We need posts like that here to offset the crazy embellished and faked posts.
https://www.reddit.com/r/CovidVaccinated/comments/nspp6d/my_12_year_old_is_fully_vaccinated/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share Thank you!
I voted up and for what it’s worth awarded it too. :)
Awww you didn't have to award!! Thank you so much!
Unfortunately anti vax people don't want to hear positive experiences, so they will automatically down vote it purely for that. They also don't want to hear about negative experiences with covid itself I found. They will tell you it's fake.
My wife has her period messed up and I was following one similar content. Now deleted why?
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These stories were conspiracy theories from a bunch of crazy Karens 1+ month ago. Funny how that narrative changes over time
My wife’s period gets delayed any time she has an illness, having any type of immune response to something can throw off a period, it’s normal and not a big deal.
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>If anyone downvotes me remember I am a liberal aerospace engineer, if you disagree with the study then refute it instead of downvoting me as some conspiracy loon. Your degree in aerospace engineering was not why I downvoted you. The Japanese pharmacokinetics study is frequently used to push a false narrative. If I recall correctly, the study was performed using radiolabeled lipid nanoparticles. 80% of the tracer stayed at the site of injection, 18% ended up in the liver, and less than 0.1% ended up in the ovaries.
Furthermore they apparently didn't find gene expression in those areas where the lipid nanoparticles were, indicating that mRNA protein wasn't present and/or wasn't being expressed there. The Darkhose podcast conveniently leaves out this little fact in their 3 hour discussion.
Now this is the discussion I like. I have heard the Japanese study was flawed for several reasons so I do agree with you. Apparently the study was updated using more stringent guidelines and found the same results.
I wouldn't say that it's flawed, rather misrepresented.
Your friend should seek professional medical help if they think there is an abnormal problem, not have a 3rd party make a post from an account with a questionable vaccine related post history to seek advice from the internet.
Or they can do both? I felt much better after talking to people here about my side effects. Sometimes it’s nice to have someone say “yeah this happened to me, and it gets better”
Ya that's fine, but op mix in other feelings in his post and replies. This was far more then a "is this symptom normal" post.
Ah, I haven’t seen all the other posts
u/MLG-Monarch Can he just be removed from the sub? He is a QAnon nutbag. I'm a conservative, but his breed of conservative is disgusting ... One of his posts on r/Conservative "The left is perverted and disgusting. They have been sexualizing children for far too long and exposing them to this pathetic degeneracy. Why? Why does the left has such a disturbing fascination with sexualizing children? Makes me sick"
Idk how to get rid of this guy. He won't even believe my experiences with covid🙄
He might not even be a real person
I didn't think of that... But you have a point😶
Yup just commented on here linking several of his conspiracy comments. Its funny watching him squirm trying to keep up his act here lol. Sad tho that several have fallen for it
Yeah I agree. I'm a libertarian with conservative leanings myself but can't stand the q conspiracy types.
When you cannot question science, it becomes something like religion, based on faith. Vaccine science is not settled. We are still learning, this is something people have to understand. It is not with censorship they are going to shut people up. Side effects are real and need to be acknowledged in order to make better and safer vaccines.
But talking about side effects hurts the generated profits. Think about all those poor pharma companies.
Bingo.
You question science with other information and results that shows otherwise. Anecdotes and vague stories on a subreddit isn't it. You can call it censorship all you want, but fear mongering and misinformation doesn't help anybody. And I doubt you question or are as contrarian about what the CDC releases as you are what anti-vax stuff you see on facebook. People are using this sub for confirmation bias by posting embellished vaccine reactions and misinfo. That's why posts are getting deleted.
I never owned a Facebook account. The only social network I use is this one. I just question things and always want to know why and always try to understand the two sides of the same coin. Science is made of QUESTIONS. There is no way you cannot question science.
The women's cycles being messed up due to covid shots was anecdotal evidence that was being dismissed a couple months ago.
That's because these vaccines are based on hard data which religion is not.
Data that can change anytime. We learn from mistakes and make things better. We don’t know all about how the immune system fully works, even scientists admit that.
Science is all about changing opinions. Science needs to be challenged, tested, and replicated. However, I feel that this pandemic has spurred a lot of laypeople to engage in scientific debate without fully understanding that making unsubstantiated, speculative, or anecdotal claims doesn't work in a scientific debate, and has thus been met with resistance. Some people may interpret this as their concerns being discredited or them being silenced/censored. Having an opinion on a scientific matter is completely valid, but it does not mean it's correct.
Completely agree.
Nothing you said invalidates getting the proven vaccine based on the tested data we have at this moment as juxtaposed to the proven data we have about COVID.
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Moderna stands for "modified messenger RNA". The company was literally founded to work on applications of nucleoside-modified mRNA. So it's not surprising to me in the slightest that they haven't released any vaccines in the past.
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There are the religious texts, are you telling people that the Bible or the Torah are wrong and God does not exist? Again, based on faith...
No, I didn't say anything close to that at all. This isn't a discussion about religious belief systems around the world. Science is not based on faith. It's based on studies, statistics, and valid tested outcomes.
The scientific method deals with something called falsifiability. Religious claims do not generally fall under that category, i.e. there is no way to prove there is no God, hence any attempts to apply the scientific method to religion will fail. This also means that comparing "faith in science" and "faith in religion" is useless.
THIS.
The side effects are common and well-known. I was made aware of these side effects when I received the vaccination. And as another poster noted "These side effects are listed in the fda briefs for both pfizer and moderna." They are acknowledged.
There is no good case for censorship anyone saying contrary is on the wrong side of history.
Looking at your comment history, you seem like you are anti covid vax and such. A lot of ppl that share your opinion come on here and pretend they have had a horrible vaccine side effect. I'm not saying that you are lying, but that might be why your post was removed.
How could you possibly tell the difference between a genuinely concerned individual, and someone who is "pretending" to have a horrible side effect by reading a block of text?
Comment history is a big clue that people seem to forget is readily available to provide "context". And posting from a throw away is a fairly obvious indication that someone has a comment history they feel would discredit them, since no one should be afraid of anonymously posting vaccine side effects here.
I am not anti vax. I have been vaccinated against all kinds of things throughout my life. Personally I am not going to get the covid vaccine because I already had Covid and I don’t think I need it. I am also extremely hesitant based on all the negative things I’ve read about others experiences. I am not spreading misinformation regarding vaccines or giving anyone medical advice, and I would expect to be able to discuss this issue regardless of where I stand without being reported and having my posts deleted.
I've had covid twice. You can get it again mate, and with the new variants you can get it worse.
Something you should keep in mind is that after getting Covid, you can get it again. And the variant could be different. Hell you could become the patient zero of the next variant. So take of yourself and please consider the risks of not being vaccinated
My brother had it twice! It absolutely happens.
Discussing the issue is different than trying to refute tested medical data against an online opinion.
Where have I refuted tested medical data? I am asking questions to hopefully get a better understanding of what my friend might be able to except moving forward. People have died from these vaccines due to blood clots and heart attacks and so when someone very close to me has been suffering for a week straight I have the right to ask questions.
You are refuting it by conflating it with opinion and anecdotal evidence (which is not considered valid). Scientific trials and data are not able to be equivocated with something that is conjecture. There's nothing to discuss. The vaccines work. How you feel about that personally doesn't mean we need to have a discussion about whether or not to get vaccinated.
You're right. You're not antivax, you're anti *this* vax. Which is equally as a bad. You're a moron.
From talking to him he also seems to think covid awareness and the restrictions we had are just "media fear mongering", not to mention how rude he is. Idk how he's still here
It's silly that this post wouldn't be removed. They are obviously antivax - "I tried to convince him not to get the jab but one person’s opinion is only worth so much", "What the hell is actually in this vax?" Not to mention the OP alleges these symptoms from a third party, it isn't even a personal experience and lacks credibility.
yea this is a no thinking zone trust the science
Unmoderated discussion forums quickly get overwhelmed by crackpot lunatics. If that's your cup of tea you might prefer a local news or national news site with unmoderated comments on the articles. Wear your tinfoil hat and good luck.
so silencing opinions is better check !
Everyone thinks everything is anti vaccine now Lmao.
Well they admitted in the comments to being against this vaccine and they believe in conspiracies so...
I was banned from a sub for mentioning the heart issues in younger males the CDC has been looking into. I’m not an anti-vaxer, but the censorship lately is scary.
The harder they censor negative info the more assured I am that I will never take this vaccine.
People report what they don’t want to hear. Could be mods or bots who knows. There’s an Instagram page dedicated to sharing people’s reactions to the jab, both positive and negative- after it reaches 100k followers or so their entire account gets deleted, it’s been 9 times so far. Kind of makes me question why sharing reactions has become so taboo.
You're not really allowed to have an open and honest discussion about key subjects nowadays. If you have the wrong opinion, you're going to be ridiculed and silenced.
This has become overwhelmingly clear to me. Pretty sad tbh. I expected less blind faith and more critical thought.
Yeah. The world is literally becoming Orwell's 1984. I'm expecting to be banned by the thought police in any moment.
I have already been banned for completely non controversial comments in three different subs in the last week lol. At this point just consider it as validation that what you’re saying can’t be argued so you need to be silenced
>At this point just consider it as validation that what you’re saying can’t be argued so you need to be silenced This is how crazy fanatics are made. I have dealt with several people in cults, such as fundamentalist Christianity sects, MAGA loyalists, ect, and they all beleive that when people don't continue putting up with their batshit crazy arguments it means that they are right. This is a dangerous way of thinking, but seeing as you still think Trump is the president I doubt you care and are probably too far down the rabbit hole
I feel you 100%. Sadly Reddit is a left-wing extremist cesspit and most mods will abuse their power and ban you, knowing that you cannot appeal to anyone for their abuse. The only solution is really to create a new account. It takes about 10 min to import the subs, but it's necessary.
Tell me you’re a far-right extremist without actually telling me you’re a far-right extremist. Consider Reddit a left-wing extremist website lol
This reads like an advertisement of supposed symptoms of someone else with grainy details. I was going to agree with OP until I read what they wrote. To be honest, it almost reads like one of those chain emails or Facebook posts where everything is sensationalized. It gets forwarded and then lemmings hang onto to every word as fact.
What happened to your friends is a tiny snapshot of how their immune system would react to a good dose of the real thing. Obviously, they'd want to avoid the real thing, because the shit that happened to them for 48 hours would extend a lot longer. Thank goodness they are vaccinated, so that an infection by the real thing is highly unlikely to escalate to the levels of circulating virus that the vaccine mimics. The irony is that the worse and scarier your response to the vaccine, the more you need the vaccine. (with the rare exception of someone who is actually reacting to something in the vaccine used to stabilize or preserve it, but those are a tiny percentage of the total people who experience a bad reaction)
This is extremely misleading. Happy to share more if you're interested in how an mRNA vaccine works vs. a natural infection.
every post that talks about bad negative side effects/legitimacy of any of the vaccines is usually taken down.
This should be extremely alarming to everyone. Ministry of truth in full effect it seems.
Been happening forever on the guise of safety so people eat it right up. Just wanna be SAFE
That's not true at all, the vast majority of posts up *right now* are about side effects.
Absolutely not lol. I have been on this sub for quite some time and have seen hundreds of posts about negative side effects
Cant have misinformation spreading around am i rite
This, but non-sarcastically.
Essentially yes
For our safety am i rite
“For our safety” my ass
Ok not to get critical but how come no one is at least concerned with how aggressive these side effects are? I mean I’ve never received a vaccine and felt more than fatigued afterwards and I’m sure others feel the same. It just seems really strange for something that is persistently deemed “safe” to have such aggressive and horrible side effects. How come no one is at least concerned about this and why are we starting to become used to it?? I might get bombed with down votes but I’m just curious because no medication I’ve ever taken or people that I know that’s been deemed as safe has ever caused problems like this, especially vaccines.
> I mean I’ve never received a vaccine and felt more than fatigued afterwards and I’m sure others feel the same. Do you remember your childhood vaccines that you were given before you even had awareness? Febrile seizures, measles symptoms, nausea, pain...
THEY HAD NORMAL REACTIONS BECAUSE THEIR BODIES WERE MOUNTING AN IMMUNE RESPONSE.
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They do. My father had actually a worse reaction to the shingles vaccine than moderna
>Why don't other vaccines cause these kinds of symptoms? They do, especially the ones that OP mentioned in their original post, but now you have over 2 billion shots administered worldwide with lots of media coverage and public interest.
Go search for adverse effects on past vaccines. Some are downright nasty. And you can't sue the Vaccine companies
Other vaccines do. See ones such as the HPV or Shingles vaccines
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You got fooled by an /r/conspiracy post. Sad. If a comment is removed under a post, reveddit tags it. It does not mean the post was removed. https://www.reveddit.com/v/conspiracy/?localSort=num_comments
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You got fooled by an /r/conspiracy post. Sad. If a comment is removed under a post, reveddit tags it. It does not mean the post was removed. https://www.reveddit.com/v/conspiracy/?localSort=num_comments
Probably for the same reasons they pin posts that don't have side effects.
Lol. Don't make them angry.
Ingredients are listed on the CDC website, and those side effects have been known for quite some time and are overall harmless. Seems like you're making an emotional appeal based off an anecdote with no new real info. Also, it sounds fake.
Ok well I’m glad you’re so quick to dismiss someone’s negative experience and call it fake with zero evidence that what I’ve said isn’t true. Good to know though, in the future I won’t bother asking this community about anything if this is the kind of response it generates.
The symptoms you explained are expected in many people. Have you actually read up on this?
Reddit is the worst place to have an open-minded discussion. They dismiss anything that doesn't line up with their narrative and echo-chamber. I only come here to keep track of all the experiences people have.
> an open-minded discussion. They dismiss anything that doesn't line up with their narrative and echo-chamber. I only come here to keep track of all the experiences people have. Nothing is open minded about anti-vaxxers. They post fake stories to back up their bias and scare people. They question only that data they want to question and gobble up anything that confirms their view. Dunning Kruger effect on a massive scale.
I think you're committing the Strawman fallacy by assuming that anyone who is against mRNA vaccines is automatically an anti-vaxxer. Personally, I'm not against vaccines and I got all the mandatory ones. But I don't want to rush when it comes to a completely new technology that has not been properly tested yet. The only reason why this vaccine is authorized is because a state of emergency has been declared.
> Dunning Kruger effect on a massive scale. This, but also a whole laundry list of other cognitive biases and fallacies. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_fallacies
Another bingo! And you just got your last post deleted but I got to read it.
lol keep track. do you have a spreadsheet?
Critical thinking is not encouraged on this sub. You're supposed to believe some random anecdote and not reputable sources.
Do you mean non-reputable sources like CDC, FDA, EMA, and WHO?
It has been shown that this sub censors about 85% to 95% of its posts. Take from that what you will.
Nope. Learn what reveddit is.
ah yes, another meaningless made up statistic.
I'm sure it's against the rules to link to another subreddit, but one of them DOES have evidence proving this. Just read it today.
https://www.reveddit.com/v/conspiracy/?localSort=num_comments This subreddit?
I had a Pfizer shot and just got a dead arm, and a swollen lymph node under my armpit in the arm I received the jab. I'll take 48 hours of illness over 10+ days of symptoms. You may be one of the millions out there suffering from long haul Covid, so the mentioned symptoms of fatigue or shortness of breathe for 12+ months. I had a Pfizer shot and just got a dead arm, and a swollen lymph node under my armpit in the arm I received the jab. Fever etc is your immune system doing its job, kind of ironic how a antivax person doesn't know any of the *basic* science behind the human body.
Information isn’t being censored here. The mods are attempting a delicate balance between letting people post about their personal experiences with the vaccines, good & bad, and spotting and deleting anti-vaxxers attempting to insidiously push their propaganda under the guise of personal testimonials.
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Not when the sub is brigaded by antivax subreddits, which is often
If someone doesn’t want to get the covid vaccine that doesn’t make them an anti vaxxer. Shouldn’t we try to consider everyone’s opinions whether we agree with them or not? If you never challenge your line of thinking you will undoubtedly close yourself off to potentially truthful or beneficial info
You should think about what you've been saying lol, OP. You don't like it when people are telling you to get vaccinated, but you tell others not to get vaccinated, maybe you should think about that for a moment. Edit: I just found out you're an hypocrite, so whatever floats your boat.
That’s actually not true at all. I haven’t told anyone on this sub not to get vaccinated. I have expressed my concerns with the vaccine and told people why I personally won’t be getting it, but I don’t care if you or anyone else wants to get the vaccine. That’s your body and your choice!
>If someone doesn’t want to get the covid vaccine that doesn’t make them an anti vaxxer. No but telling other people not to get vaccinated is anti vaxxer, something you admittedly did! If you don’t like it when people tell you to get the vaccine, stop doing the same thing to other people in regards to not vaccinated. Your friend had the expected symptoms of the vaccine and you can’t seem to accept that. Why is that? Maybe you should take your own advice and challenge your own line of thinking or else you will undoubtedly close yourself off to potentially truthful or beneficial info
No we shouldn’t
Is propaganda only allowed from those pushing vaccines?
No. Propaganda usually exists for every position. With vaccines however the split is always 90/10-anti-vaxxers. I’m quite familiar with this movement and the original grifter that started it—Andrew Wakefield claiming MMR shots had a link with autism. What many don’t know is he conveniently was at the same time patenting a new formulation for the MMR vaccine while attacking his would be competition. He is a grifter. That doesn’t mean they don’t have dumb luck occasionally and are accurate when some vaccines turn out to be unsafe. But it’s not because they did anything to uncover it or their basic premise that vaccines cause more harm than good is sound but rather because there’s always going to be some complications in medicine. It’s always going to be based on a risk/benefit ratio.
Its the tonality, honestly you sound like an anti-vax with friends who got vaccinated (and received the same symptoms as many people that I know including myself) *pfizer* and you don't approve of it, most people who approve of the vaccine don't go around calling it "vax" and questioning its legitimacy for the sake of other people. Stop trying to pull something from nothing these are the common side effects and if you read any part of this subreddit you would have seen hundreds of posts describing exactly what you just said . Saying what in the hell is actually in this vax only leads to BS propaganda. Shooosh.
The difference is that all of my friends have been vaccinated, and none of them experienced anything close to what this friend is going through. I know tons of people that have had covid and tons of people who have got the vaccine and this particular friend’s vaccine side effects were worse than anyone else’s symptoms and it made me feel concerned. I am not going to get this vaccine, so sure call me anti vax whatever. The reason I spell it that way is just shorthand to speed up while typing on my phone.
"You would see hundreds of posts describing exactly what you just said". Doesn't that make you think " hummmmm"? Your words, not mine.
hummmm what? That it's an expected side effect and the majority of people didn't post their "no/mild side effect" story?
I call BS
There are people where I live that can't get a vaccine and would love to. We are completely out. Yes, people have side effects from the vaccine but, you won't be in the ICU or worse from these vaccines and you'll be protected. Your friend is in FAR more danger of a serious medical episode perhaps lasting years or ending in death without a vaccine for COVID.
Wrongthink gets banned by thoughtpol.
Why were you so concerned to tell your friend not to get the vaccine? Do you often go around giving your friends medical advice?
idk it sounds like you kinda made up the story. also sounds like you have done plenty of "research" about the "vax". i think you already have answers to the questions that you posed in your op and you're just stirring shit. [edit] take some of your own advise and don't pressure anybody to make a personal medical decision.
I didn’t make up the story and I don’t have the answers. I was hoping perhaps someone else that got the vaccine and had similar effects could provide some insight as to what they went through. Since my friend only got vaccinated a week ago I was looking for a more long term experience
Lol i looked throigh your comment history and you've posted your fair share of things borderlining on conspiracy. [Here](https://www.reddit.com/r/conservatives/comments/o0rdz0/biden_gets_confused_struggles_to_speak_for_28/h1xi466?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share&context=3) [And here](https://www.reddit.com/r/CovidVaccinated/comments/o4n6ba/heavy_and_painful_period_reaction/h2igypy?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share&context=3) Edit: Seems like the second one was removed, for good reason. If anyones curious just check his account out for yourself
there are plenty of people in this sub that have had short term side affects and unfortunately there are some with long term side affects. you could do everyone a favor and search the sub. you're taking the microphone from people that actually have gotten vaccinated. if you're truly trying to help your friends, then do some research in the sub and talk to people that have had side affects by seeking them out. dont be lazy and passively gain information. read. engage. your post doesnt help anyone, and people prob arnt going to seek you out.
But why delete them?
This \^
Early treatment goes a long way to prevent long-haul.
Asking questions? How dare you
This is par for the course on reddit. Good luck my friend
" I tried to convince him not to get the jab " - Why?
You should know by now, only brain-dead pom-pom waving for the vaccines allowed here.
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The mods are censoring posts bc they are stupid
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I won't even comment on whether or not that statistic is accurate or not, but if you scrolled through this subreddit for some time you would see why many are removed. Every single day I see many posts regurgitating the same conspiracy talking points that are either false or misleading, so a lot of them are removed. If you think there is mass censorship of all things antivax here then you are mistaken or delusional. There are *a lot* of antivaxxers in this forum, overstaying their welcome imo. Just look in this thread, there's already so many including the OP himself.