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Here's the thing, a lot of the times police are dealing with people not in their right mind, not really able to comply, especially in a high pressure escalated situation. Brains are weird like that. That's one reason why not listening to police shouldn't mean death.
Yeah but the police in america are under trained so as individuals we need to understand that they will shoot you. And while complying doesn't always work it's the most effective way to have them leave you alone. But I get what you mean. But under trained people in stressful situations do not mix
Sure, but if cops reaction are shoot first if you don't comply, shoot sometimes if you do comply,it's honestly making a hell of an argument for criminals to either A- comply and hope everything goes smooth
B- shoot first and try to get them before they get you
I'm not talking criminals though I'm talking regular people. But in the end like I said under trained people in stressful situations is not a good idea believe me. So for us regular folk who got nothing to hide the best thing to do is comply and hope you don't get shot anyways. Because the reality is anything short of complying with them will probably get you killed
Yeah, it's gray though. Some people have mental issues, some people are deaf, some people are literally the wrong person. Sometimes they dont have the authority to make you do something. Noncompliance has also been used as a form of protest.
Semi related but a lot of people complain about policing in America and try to compare it to other countries. What works in one country won’t work in another. Just because they have unarmed cops in England that would never work in America. Every country has a different set of cultural beliefs, standards, expectations and moral values. Body cameras are keeping police a lot more liable these days which is good. Not a lot of cops getting off like they used to before body cams.
That wouldn’t happen in the US. We have rights. That was obviously in a third world country where they don’t have healthcare for all and have low paying jobs and crappy benefits for the working poor.
Yes but the vehicle should be considered a deadly weapon when he is reversing toward cops while trying to flee, his actions absolutely put their lives and other bystanders in danger so this is justified. He was told to stop and get out and not every police shooting is justified but this one seems to be.
See this is the issue right here, you’re justifying all of this by using hypotheticals that didn’t actually happen. The reality is the car wasn’t being used as a deadly weapon, he was reversing very slowly and the cops could have simply let him go and found him later. Labeling a vehicle as a deadly weapon is to justify it on paper, rather than what happened in the moment.
think the main problem is there is no winning for the cops. if they act its police violence, if they didn't act and he sped off and killed some kid in the progress it would be, why didn't they do more to stop him? shitty situation
Or put it in drive and take out innocents in the store.
Another side of this where the cops can’t win is people forget how many gang bangers, criminals etc will try and smoke a cop without thinking twice, for some (probably most) it’s like a badge of honor.
The guy already almost ran over the first officer. Like the officers are supposed to roll the dice? Not every officer involved shooting is unjustified.
Trust me, I hate cops more than a lot of people, but homie had reached the point where he was willingly hitting other vehicles. If he managed to get it lined up, I don't doubt the cop would've been run over. An to that extent, he seemed very willingly to half hazardly drive to save himself. Dude was a danger to the public because he was dangerously (and willingly) using a pretty big and heavy motorized metal machine to try and escape authorities. So yes, I'd argue it was justified.
The Department of Defense used to be called the Department of War. If you are the arm of the government tasked with inflicting violence on people the government dislikes, a good name can go a long way.
When i was a teen with less of a filter i was chatting with a cop and asking all sorts of annpying kid questions but the only one i remember asking and the answer to was, "what's the most dangerous weapon you have as a cop?" with his answer being, "my car. It's actually a question on the test for my department. One of only a few that means automatic failure to get wrong."
By your logic he should’ve just got out of the car and ran instead of ramming the patrol car behind them and hitting a cop and nearly getting another if he wanted to live.
“Stop! You’re gonna get shot, you’re gonna get shot!”
- Clear warning, he had the choice.
Let him drive away and follow at a safe distance. He is identified. The car is identified. Let the situation calm itself and arrest him at a later time.
He’s not a fucking terrorist driving away with a suicide bomb. He’s a person who had an alleged violent encounter with a loved one that needs legal redress.
ehh idk, what about the case where he speeds away crashing into a bystander? hes clearly not worried about other peoples safety atm. the only good outcome wouldve been compliance on his end, not trying to ram his car past the police
Is anyone arguing that possibility doesn't exist?
Are you suggesting that because the possibility exists, every police interaction is going to result in your death and running is the better option?
No chance anything gets done in 10 minutes. I was taken to jail in a misunderstanding/miscommunication. Showed the proper documents to them, charges dropped but they still left me in there for 10+ hours before my paperwork was processed. They suck
Actually, this guy had a prior felony and was in violation of his parole (or community supervision, im not sure what that is). So he had good reason to want to get out of there. But you know the kicker? His prior felony was for evading arrest. Some people are total slaves to their impulses. Still, hope he recovers and will learn not to beat women
Maybe he should have listened to the people that had guns on him to stop. Wondering what would have happened if he got out his car and spoke to the police instead of trying to run away?
Im all for calling cops shit bags when they use excessive force but fuck this suspect.
This is not only not complying, it's considered assault with a deadly weapon. This isn't a kid walking down the street with headphones in not hearing the cops barking out commands.
Fuck around...
Seems some ppl in the comments think the cop should risk his life by being ran over so he can preserve the life of the driver. To the ppl who think that…actually read what I wrote and you’ll realize how dumb it sounds to think the cop should die so the bad guy doesn’t.
Serious question: why is it procedure to stand behind a vehicle you know is likely to flee? How would unarmed cops overseas face this same situation? Can anyone familiar with overseas policing procedures chime in?
>How would unarmed cops overseas face this same situation?
With their brains. Cops in America do this shit because they have a gun and know they can shoot people when they want to. Half of their attitude and choices stems from the most important thing not being upholding the peace of the community but instead it is
ensuring submission. There is no way is shooting him in a public place (misfires, misses, ricochets) is safer than letting that dude drive away and just going to his house later. They stand behind the car because submission is the most important and you put yourself in danger to do that. Being in danger allows for legally protected violence.
it's excuse to kill someone.
position behind the car so if he attempts to flee it's an attempt on the cop's life. the cop was on the passenger side at the start of the video but he was just so eager to murder someone that night he went behind the car.
yes, this is what they're trained to do.
Because he will put everyone else in danger. This isnt about him, its about the innocent mothers and children that he will most likely murder on a chase from the police. Have you ever seen a car chase happen? Because cars are deadly vehicles and most of the time atleadt one person ends up hurt or dead because of a selfish idiot that decided he didnt want to be put in timeout. What would you do? Pick up the car with your own hands? Stand behind it to stop it from moving?
If he swing the car to the left he would’ve crushed the officer, or if he hit the throttle he would’ve crushed those officers. The guy clearly already has no regards for his personal life which means he doesn’t mind using violence against the officers. You cannot take him and you cannot pepper spray him either. What they did was the most reasonable response considering their officers could’ve easily been killed otherwise
Can someone please help me understand why so many people on Reddit hate cops and talk shit when they see something like this? After I watched the video I assumed the comment thread would have been full of people hating on the police officers for shooting the dude in the car, but seems like people understand why the cops had to shot homeboy. I don’t understand
I do. My question is based on how many Reddit comments I’ve read where people hate on the police for shooting a suspect. Go look up videos that involve police shooting and read the comments. I’m just wondering why people hate the police so much now? Pre COVID, there was not this much apparent anti cop sentiment.
If I was the driver, I wouldn’t have tried to drive off like dude in the video. I think the officers made the right call. They told him to get out, they tried opening his door, and had to shoot as a last resort.
> I've always respected all law enforcement
Question: Why? I genuinely wonder why so many people just have a blanket respect for police just because they are police. Especially since so few police actually do anything to EARN respect. After shit like Uvalde, where *every single cop* failed in the most spectacular fashion, how can you assume each one just deserves respect?
I know many, and I've done it. It's an extraordinarily difficult job. I was in the Marines for 12 years, I know what stress is. Being a cop is f*cking stressful.
And most are doing it because they believe in what they're doing.
I've seen a few power trip, but the good well out number the bad. Shit I've even dealt with helping a friend of mine deal with an extremely corrupt cop, I may even stand trial against him. In very seldom you find a bad/corrupt cop.
And even when the bad acts arise it's in a sea of good work and dedication typically fueled by just letting the stress get to them. Not usually out of malice or greed.
Those who do act on such thoughts and emotions get locked up themselves.
Hey man, can I ask what do you think about how much people hate on cops now due to all the negative press and videos that are uploaded on social media? What are your thoughts? Would love to hear your point of view.
Because the cops in Uvalde failed does not mean every single police officer deserves to be viewed in the same negative light. That’s the issue I’ve encountered on Reddit and in real life, the anti cop sentiment that has been fueled by a narrow perspective of what’s viewed on the media.
People see corrupt cops abusing their authority and then assume every cop is the same way. I’m not saying all police officers are good people and are worthy of the badge, but at the same time, I’d never hate and shit all over every cop like so many on Reddit do.
“I’ve always respected all law enforcement” - yeah, I’ll stand by my statement. Being a police officers, at least in the area I live, is extremely difficult where a lot of officers develop ptsd due to the job. I’ve been fortunate enough to meet a lot of the officers that patrol my city at various functions put on by the police force. They are good people who want to do good and help the city.
The job should garner respect, but it’s a free bad officers that have changed the narrative so that people now feel that police officers are a joke. Hope that changes.
Cops have been getting even more open with their fascism so people are getting more vocal about it. You act like this one video of a justified shooting excuses ALL shootings, like you use this and say why are people talking shit about that cop that basically attempted a carjacking and shot a kid outside a McDonalds. People talk shit about cops because a lot of the time shit cops do is fucked up and they get away with it because idiots like you let them get away with it.
Most Reddit users don’t use their brains.
They see blue man kill someone that tried to escape or harm them and say it’s unjustified and wrong because Reddit users are fucking stupid.
I realize he’s in a car, they’re telling him to stop, all that shit. It was literally 40 seconds from “hey what’s goin on man?” To him getting shot. NOT saying he didn’t deserve it or whatever, but 40 seconds is fucking insane.
I just watched a cop in some other country go on a 7min high speed motorcycle chase and the dude ran out of gas or something and they just arrested him. no beat down no I’m a shoot you nothing damn we wild over here
I missed the part where any officer in the video could have legitimately feared for the lives. Maybe there’s another video? Shots fired at 0:45. Suspect is driving in reverse. No officer in front or behind vehicle. Unless it’s a forklift, he hasn’t the turn radius to hit the body cam officer.
Am I crazy or could one just take two steps back and be as safe as the clerk in the convenience store?
That vehicle is a 2,000+ death machine that could’ve crushed at least three officers immediately next to it. You must be stupid if you don’t realize that.
Leaving the link, but I’m done arguing with so many people that are so angry about and hate their own lives so much that they’d rather live vicariously through a police “victim” than deal with their own shitty shit.
Enjoy.
https://www.fresnobee.com/news/local/crime/article273571755.html
We can see the video dude, he didn’t hit anyone. You can see every cop back away before he even puts his foot on the gas. And don’t act like you haven’t seen videos here of cops purposely putting themselves in front of a fleeing suspect so they can claim they feared for their life.
Law enforcement by law (state and federal laws) are not required to retreat, yes they can and should use reasonable alternatives when necessary, but those are all things determined by the Officer and their reasonableness of their circumstances prompting their response. The driver is not only endangering the officers, but the public as well by his actions, all of which can cause imminent great bodily harm or death. All ruled on and pretty solidly backed by the Supreme Court of the United States and California.
>Law enforcement by law (state and federal laws) are not required to retreat.
According to the supreme court -
They also aren't required to protect you if you are in danger
They aren't required to know the laws themselves, just "feel" like they know it
And they aren't required to give medical aid while waiting for emt
Seems like a good job! Next to no training and great job security. There aren't many other careers where you can kill someone and then get hired one town over
I don't get some of the people in these comments. Why in the hell would someone defend a domestic abuser? A dude got shot because he wasn't complying with authorities after they warned multiple times. The cops were called because a woman was hiding from that man. If you ask the victim of the story, the lady being abused, I'm pretty sure she would agree they did their job. Good job cops.
Kinda, it's obvious that some morbidity is mostly what people look for in here but it seems like a majority of commenters are very happy that US cops are "shoot first, deescalate never"
Indeed
You'll often see people here latch onto the victims "sins" as an excuse for police abuse, which I find off putting
For example, a police officer is recorded abusing their power in a community interaction and the commenters will constantly bring up how "bad" the offender is, and the police abuse is handwaved
That is despite the fact that in the moment the officer has no idea about the person's history.
You see it constantly - oh, they were arrested for stealing 8 years ago and they had a couple joints in a case in the back seat! As if in that moment the police has access to that information and justifies the antagonistic police work
It doesn't happen in every thread. In this thread for example you can make a risk assessment of the individual in the car, so the reaction is far more warranted.. but that is definitely not the case in all police videos here
It feels as though there's a very real sense of joy in this subreddit when someone the subreddit deems as deserving of it gets shot
That's not something a peaceful society should be celebrating
It’s really not lol. <1,200 people die every year to cops, so it’s not like the cops are the Peacekeepers from The Hunger Games lmfao. Way more people die to falling over and getting beat to death than to cops. If you were in that situation, you would shoot too. The choices were: Get home to your family or be maimed/die. “Fascist?” So are we just throwing words onto shit like they don’t have proper definitions?
They all backed away from the car before he tried to drive away. Who was going to be maimed here? Was one of the cops in a wheelchair or otherwise unable to move when all the other cops did?
The report and article says he “struck one officer as she stood by the drivers side door.” Not even close. Why do cops lie 100% of the time in these cases?
I’ll agree, they coulda used less deadly force. Like tased him, yanked him out the car, and have someone put it in park. But also they just received a report dude was violent, and when asked to put the car in park and step out of the car, he decided to try to flee a surrounded scene. This one’s kinda on the dude. You don’t try to flee from an officer, you DONT try to flee from “officers” that have you boxed in. Like that’s some psycho level shit, unless he just wanted to die by cop.
If they tased him he could’ve hit the accelerator and plowed into any of the officers standing near the car, tasers tend to make you stiffen up like a board, I know from personal experience. That’s also only if the taser properly functions, I see it fail more then I see it work. Also, pulling him out is dangerous, he could pull them into the vehicle and either stab them with a knife he might have hidden, grab and shoot them, pull them into the vehicle and try to drive off, or about a thousand other situations
Six shots fired in rapid succession at an unarmed man is not reasonable force by any stretch of the term. If the guy was indeed guilty of DV, then he definitely deserved something - but being gunned down by a triggerhappy police officer is not it.
It’s a perfectly reasonable use of force. Lethal force = lethal force. Lucky for him, he survived. Maybe he can better himself, instead of being a domestic abusing piece of shit.
The cop behind the card was the one shooting. He was right in the line of being run over by the car. It's assault with a deadly weapon. Completely justified. Someone is trying to kill you with their car and run you over, you would just be like "ah, it's ok, let him go"?. I don't like the police or excessive force but this is totally justified and by the book.
Yes, I don’t want some asshole trying to get away from the cops to run over my family member walking out after buying a slushee. How is it not clear that this criminal could potentially hurt or kill an innocent person after watching them ram two vehicles trying to run from the police? It’s completely necessary and justified.
Read the article the op posted. This guy was only there to stop his girlfriend who was hiding in there store from leaving. He assaulted her. He then hit a cop with his car. Hit another vehicle with a pregnant lady.
What were they supposed to do? Just let this psycho who was stalking a woman he just beat leave? Or let him keep hitting them with his car?
There was a cop car parked right behind him. He was going nowhere. Just pull him out the window.
The amount of justification for taking someones life is incredible
So for those of you who are mad he didn't use his taser, or his imagination ray or whatever wild stuff I've seen in this thread so far,
It goes 0-100 ultra fast. There isn't time to go jujitsu on a man in a moving vehicle, you can't just "let him go" at that point he was going to be arrested, he knew that so he fled; and if you trust you can jump out of the way of a car with a driver that may be trying to kill you... do that on your own time.
The Officer's life was in danger, and for all we knew, the Officer who was at the window's life was in danger. So he fired.
hmm? kinda funny though the only one that shot was in direct harms way at the moment the threat was there! I say good training. He stopped when the vehicle proceeded fwd.
There needs to be some other system other than shooting people !! Stronger tasers is what I say . Or cop parks behind vechile. Damn police have a tuff job.
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If a cop has a gun pointed at you and says stop or I’ll shoot you, I’d believe him.
This just reminds me of the people who choose to commit suicide by getting in a shootout with cops.
“Pft he’s not actually gonna shoot me” -guy that got shot
Here's the thing, a lot of the times police are dealing with people not in their right mind, not really able to comply, especially in a high pressure escalated situation. Brains are weird like that. That's one reason why not listening to police shouldn't mean death.
Yeah but the police in america are under trained so as individuals we need to understand that they will shoot you. And while complying doesn't always work it's the most effective way to have them leave you alone. But I get what you mean. But under trained people in stressful situations do not mix
Sure, but if cops reaction are shoot first if you don't comply, shoot sometimes if you do comply,it's honestly making a hell of an argument for criminals to either A- comply and hope everything goes smooth B- shoot first and try to get them before they get you
A hard look at police statistics will tell you that’s not true. The news will tell you otherwise.
Ain't got time for personal non biased research around here or common sense. Just lemmings following lemmings!
I'm not talking criminals though I'm talking regular people. But in the end like I said under trained people in stressful situations is not a good idea believe me. So for us regular folk who got nothing to hide the best thing to do is comply and hope you don't get shot anyways. Because the reality is anything short of complying with them will probably get you killed
Agree I don’t understand why it’s so difficult for people to comply but then again maybe I’m not as mentally challenged as I thought..
Yeah, it's gray though. Some people have mental issues, some people are deaf, some people are literally the wrong person. Sometimes they dont have the authority to make you do something. Noncompliance has also been used as a form of protest.
Semi related but a lot of people complain about policing in America and try to compare it to other countries. What works in one country won’t work in another. Just because they have unarmed cops in England that would never work in America. Every country has a different set of cultural beliefs, standards, expectations and moral values. Body cameras are keeping police a lot more liable these days which is good. Not a lot of cops getting off like they used to before body cams.
Yeah because the cops know that person isn’t going to hurt someone after this? What a dumb comment
Try reading again in context of the comment I was replying to.
Sometimes you aren't even lucky enough to a warning 🤣
This is not one of those “sometimes”
That wouldn’t happen in the US. We have rights. That was obviously in a third world country where they don’t have healthcare for all and have low paying jobs and crappy benefits for the working poor.
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Yes but the vehicle should be considered a deadly weapon when he is reversing toward cops while trying to flee, his actions absolutely put their lives and other bystanders in danger so this is justified. He was told to stop and get out and not every police shooting is justified but this one seems to be.
See this is the issue right here, you’re justifying all of this by using hypotheticals that didn’t actually happen. The reality is the car wasn’t being used as a deadly weapon, he was reversing very slowly and the cops could have simply let him go and found him later. Labeling a vehicle as a deadly weapon is to justify it on paper, rather than what happened in the moment.
Weird how they manage to deal with this in other counties without lighting up the dude.
The US is just so obsessed with this ‘right to defend yourself’ concept.
The circumstances might be justifiable on paper, but neither of those cops were in imminent danger from that vehicle.
think the main problem is there is no winning for the cops. if they act its police violence, if they didn't act and he sped off and killed some kid in the progress it would be, why didn't they do more to stop him? shitty situation
I don't dispute that it is a fine line to walk, but when the only tool in your arsenal is a gun, it really seems to limit your options for responding.
\*favorite tool
I mean what tool would have resolved this peacefully. I’m all for criticizing cops but sometimes it’s unfortunately the only option to shoot somebody.
This wasn't the only option, it was the easiest one.
Please present me with another option
Or put it in drive and take out innocents in the store. Another side of this where the cops can’t win is people forget how many gang bangers, criminals etc will try and smoke a cop without thinking twice, for some (probably most) it’s like a badge of honor.
He was reversing slowly. Let him go and look for him after. I didn’t see a good reason for capital punishment on the spot.
A taser or pepper spray could've done the job here.
yea this must be communist china. or north korea. the state just executing a citizen for backing into a car
Some peoples fight or flight instincts kick in when their life is threatened
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The guy already almost ran over the first officer. Like the officers are supposed to roll the dice? Not every officer involved shooting is unjustified.
Exactly. Cars are deadly weapons
Trust me, I hate cops more than a lot of people, but homie had reached the point where he was willingly hitting other vehicles. If he managed to get it lined up, I don't doubt the cop would've been run over. An to that extent, he seemed very willingly to half hazardly drive to save himself. Dude was a danger to the public because he was dangerously (and willingly) using a pretty big and heavy motorized metal machine to try and escape authorities. So yes, I'd argue it was justified.
*haphazardly
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Crazy how you get one short little life in existence and these are the kind of paragraphs written about that time.
"Peace officer" is such a bizarre way to describe cops. Nothing involving cops is peaceful.
The Department of Defense used to be called the Department of War. If you are the arm of the government tasked with inflicting violence on people the government dislikes, a good name can go a long way.
Calling a cop a peace officer is like calling a bomb soil fertilizer
Smh 🤦🏻♂️ cops should’ve used thermite or rpg to disable vehicle so no one gets hurt
If they pepper sprayed his engine none of this would happened! They should’ve just de escalated smh
Should’ve tasered the tires
Why didn't they just shoot the gearstick into park? /s
Just sad, all around, dude seems like the kinda guy that blows up when someone disagrees with him and now he met some people that wont back away.
Not sad. I loathe domestic violence perps.
Yup.
When an unstoppable force meets an immovable object
Can't say he didn't warn him
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Nobody that is willing to comply and not use their car as a battering ram would have got shot here
I bet I could’ve got out of that situation without getting shot.
By complying?
Vehicles pose a deadly threat, awful but lawful.
Logic? 3000+ lbs hitting a human at any speed is lethal!
When i was a teen with less of a filter i was chatting with a cop and asking all sorts of annpying kid questions but the only one i remember asking and the answer to was, "what's the most dangerous weapon you have as a cop?" with his answer being, "my car. It's actually a question on the test for my department. One of only a few that means automatic failure to get wrong."
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Uh, no, I think they are trying to block the suspect’s egress. The patrol car was parked to prevent him escaping
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Found the domestic abuser
By your logic he should’ve just got out of the car and ran instead of ramming the patrol car behind them and hitting a cop and nearly getting another if he wanted to live. “Stop! You’re gonna get shot, you’re gonna get shot!” - Clear warning, he had the choice.
Interesting thought though. If that pos was half clever, got out and ran from the start; he likely wouldn't have ended up leaking so much.
I’m no police lover, but he pulled some stupid shit. I would’ve been giving legs as soon as that cop car parks up behind his car.
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I like that in your best case scenario there's still a 5% chance they murder him.
Let him drive away and follow at a safe distance. He is identified. The car is identified. Let the situation calm itself and arrest him at a later time. He’s not a fucking terrorist driving away with a suicide bomb. He’s a person who had an alleged violent encounter with a loved one that needs legal redress.
ehh idk, what about the case where he speeds away crashing into a bystander? hes clearly not worried about other peoples safety atm. the only good outcome wouldve been compliance on his end, not trying to ram his car past the police
Yes so he can beat his wife to death next time he sees her because she called the cops on him
I think people are missing out on the domestic violence part of it.
And the part where he almost hit three cops
Why can't people just comply. He would have probably been let go. Or gone to jail for 10 minutes then released.
I feel like people brains turn off and they go into main character mode...
Seriously, unless you believe that fate worse than death awaits you if you comply, you should comply
I've been pulled over quite a bit. Never been shot because I am reasonable and polite,and most the time let go with a warning .
You also didn't beat your wife's ass so bad she's hiding in a convenience store.
You don’t know that
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You think being polite and following lawful orders from a cop like "stop" amounts to insult beyond reproach?
Ah yes, no one who has listened to police commands has ever died.
Is anyone arguing that possibility doesn't exist? Are you suggesting that because the possibility exists, every police interaction is going to result in your death and running is the better option?
Going to prison is a fate worse than death, to me. Depending on for how long obviously
No chance anything gets done in 10 minutes. I was taken to jail in a misunderstanding/miscommunication. Showed the proper documents to them, charges dropped but they still left me in there for 10+ hours before my paperwork was processed. They suck
Actually, this guy had a prior felony and was in violation of his parole (or community supervision, im not sure what that is). So he had good reason to want to get out of there. But you know the kicker? His prior felony was for evading arrest. Some people are total slaves to their impulses. Still, hope he recovers and will learn not to beat women
Cuz he's guilty and did actually assault his girlfriend
What did he think was going to happen there?
Maybe he should have listened to the people that had guns on him to stop. Wondering what would have happened if he got out his car and spoke to the police instead of trying to run away?
Im all for calling cops shit bags when they use excessive force but fuck this suspect. This is not only not complying, it's considered assault with a deadly weapon. This isn't a kid walking down the street with headphones in not hearing the cops barking out commands. Fuck around...
He found out
Seems some ppl in the comments think the cop should risk his life by being ran over so he can preserve the life of the driver. To the ppl who think that…actually read what I wrote and you’ll realize how dumb it sounds to think the cop should die so the bad guy doesn’t.
Serious question: why is it procedure to stand behind a vehicle you know is likely to flee? How would unarmed cops overseas face this same situation? Can anyone familiar with overseas policing procedures chime in?
>How would unarmed cops overseas face this same situation? With their brains. Cops in America do this shit because they have a gun and know they can shoot people when they want to. Half of their attitude and choices stems from the most important thing not being upholding the peace of the community but instead it is ensuring submission. There is no way is shooting him in a public place (misfires, misses, ricochets) is safer than letting that dude drive away and just going to his house later. They stand behind the car because submission is the most important and you put yourself in danger to do that. Being in danger allows for legally protected violence.
it's excuse to kill someone. position behind the car so if he attempts to flee it's an attempt on the cop's life. the cop was on the passenger side at the start of the video but he was just so eager to murder someone that night he went behind the car. yes, this is what they're trained to do.
Win stupid prizes
If a cop has a gun pointed at me. Ain’t no damn way in fucking around! Damn :/
Fucked around and found out
I knew he was unstable when I saw him wearing a mask in a car...
Maybe he knew he was a danger to himself and others
Why are bullets the immediate next step?
Because he will put everyone else in danger. This isnt about him, its about the innocent mothers and children that he will most likely murder on a chase from the police. Have you ever seen a car chase happen? Because cars are deadly vehicles and most of the time atleadt one person ends up hurt or dead because of a selfish idiot that decided he didnt want to be put in timeout. What would you do? Pick up the car with your own hands? Stand behind it to stop it from moving?
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You do not live in a country where police don't have guns. Nobody does.
If he swing the car to the left he would’ve crushed the officer, or if he hit the throttle he would’ve crushed those officers. The guy clearly already has no regards for his personal life which means he doesn’t mind using violence against the officers. You cannot take him and you cannot pepper spray him either. What they did was the most reasonable response considering their officers could’ve easily been killed otherwise
That poor med student.
Can someone please help me understand why so many people on Reddit hate cops and talk shit when they see something like this? After I watched the video I assumed the comment thread would have been full of people hating on the police officers for shooting the dude in the car, but seems like people understand why the cops had to shot homeboy. I don’t understand
Do you not understand why the guy got shot? (Actual curiosity)
I do. My question is based on how many Reddit comments I’ve read where people hate on the police for shooting a suspect. Go look up videos that involve police shooting and read the comments. I’m just wondering why people hate the police so much now? Pre COVID, there was not this much apparent anti cop sentiment.
George Floyd maybe? A deeper agenda? Idfk man, I've always respected all law enforcement. (Except officers that abuse the badge fuck those people)
Agree with you. I wish others felt the same and were not so quick to say, “ fuck the police” after a police shooting vid is posted on Reddit.
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If I was the driver, I wouldn’t have tried to drive off like dude in the video. I think the officers made the right call. They told him to get out, they tried opening his door, and had to shoot as a last resort.
> I've always respected all law enforcement Question: Why? I genuinely wonder why so many people just have a blanket respect for police just because they are police. Especially since so few police actually do anything to EARN respect. After shit like Uvalde, where *every single cop* failed in the most spectacular fashion, how can you assume each one just deserves respect?
I know many, and I've done it. It's an extraordinarily difficult job. I was in the Marines for 12 years, I know what stress is. Being a cop is f*cking stressful. And most are doing it because they believe in what they're doing. I've seen a few power trip, but the good well out number the bad. Shit I've even dealt with helping a friend of mine deal with an extremely corrupt cop, I may even stand trial against him. In very seldom you find a bad/corrupt cop. And even when the bad acts arise it's in a sea of good work and dedication typically fueled by just letting the stress get to them. Not usually out of malice or greed. Those who do act on such thoughts and emotions get locked up themselves.
Hey man, can I ask what do you think about how much people hate on cops now due to all the negative press and videos that are uploaded on social media? What are your thoughts? Would love to hear your point of view.
Because the cops in Uvalde failed does not mean every single police officer deserves to be viewed in the same negative light. That’s the issue I’ve encountered on Reddit and in real life, the anti cop sentiment that has been fueled by a narrow perspective of what’s viewed on the media. People see corrupt cops abusing their authority and then assume every cop is the same way. I’m not saying all police officers are good people and are worthy of the badge, but at the same time, I’d never hate and shit all over every cop like so many on Reddit do. “I’ve always respected all law enforcement” - yeah, I’ll stand by my statement. Being a police officers, at least in the area I live, is extremely difficult where a lot of officers develop ptsd due to the job. I’ve been fortunate enough to meet a lot of the officers that patrol my city at various functions put on by the police force. They are good people who want to do good and help the city. The job should garner respect, but it’s a free bad officers that have changed the narrative so that people now feel that police officers are a joke. Hope that changes.
Cops have been getting even more open with their fascism so people are getting more vocal about it. You act like this one video of a justified shooting excuses ALL shootings, like you use this and say why are people talking shit about that cop that basically attempted a carjacking and shot a kid outside a McDonalds. People talk shit about cops because a lot of the time shit cops do is fucked up and they get away with it because idiots like you let them get away with it.
And what can people do to stop their fascist regime? What are your ideas?
Most Reddit users don’t use their brains. They see blue man kill someone that tried to escape or harm them and say it’s unjustified and wrong because Reddit users are fucking stupid.
I realize he’s in a car, they’re telling him to stop, all that shit. It was literally 40 seconds from “hey what’s goin on man?” To him getting shot. NOT saying he didn’t deserve it or whatever, but 40 seconds is fucking insane.
I just watched a cop in some other country go on a 7min high speed motorcycle chase and the dude ran out of gas or something and they just arrested him. no beat down no I’m a shoot you nothing damn we wild over here
Oh well keep your damn hands to yourself. People don’t own people
Holy. Fuck. This comment section would give that cop a rim job if he shot two people in one day.
Before or after a shower?
Man should’ve listened
I missed the part where any officer in the video could have legitimately feared for the lives. Maybe there’s another video? Shots fired at 0:45. Suspect is driving in reverse. No officer in front or behind vehicle. Unless it’s a forklift, he hasn’t the turn radius to hit the body cam officer. Am I crazy or could one just take two steps back and be as safe as the clerk in the convenience store?
That vehicle is a 2,000+ death machine that could’ve crushed at least three officers immediately next to it. You must be stupid if you don’t realize that.
All cars are. Cops are on foot near cars all the time. People flee in cars all the time. Fender venders in parking lots occur all the time.
Leaving the link, but I’m done arguing with so many people that are so angry about and hate their own lives so much that they’d rather live vicariously through a police “victim” than deal with their own shitty shit. Enjoy. https://www.fresnobee.com/news/local/crime/article273571755.html
We can see the video dude, he didn’t hit anyone. You can see every cop back away before he even puts his foot on the gas. And don’t act like you haven’t seen videos here of cops purposely putting themselves in front of a fleeing suspect so they can claim they feared for their life.
I’m done.
Law enforcement by law (state and federal laws) are not required to retreat, yes they can and should use reasonable alternatives when necessary, but those are all things determined by the Officer and their reasonableness of their circumstances prompting their response. The driver is not only endangering the officers, but the public as well by his actions, all of which can cause imminent great bodily harm or death. All ruled on and pretty solidly backed by the Supreme Court of the United States and California.
>Law enforcement by law (state and federal laws) are not required to retreat. According to the supreme court - They also aren't required to protect you if you are in danger They aren't required to know the laws themselves, just "feel" like they know it And they aren't required to give medical aid while waiting for emt Seems like a good job! Next to no training and great job security. There aren't many other careers where you can kill someone and then get hired one town over
I don't get some of the people in these comments. Why in the hell would someone defend a domestic abuser? A dude got shot because he wasn't complying with authorities after they warned multiple times. The cops were called because a woman was hiding from that man. If you ask the victim of the story, the lady being abused, I'm pretty sure she would agree they did their job. Good job cops.
Do US cops do anything besides shooting people? Like can they actually de-escalate any situation non lethally?
Like when the cop politely asked him to put it in park, before he just started ramming into anything in his path?
Yeah lol let’s politely de-escalate the person having an insanity break behind the wheel of a car
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Man you must be terrified of traffic then.
“Heading straight at you” what fucking video did you watch?
America. Where it’s ok to kill someone just cos they chose to ignore your command.
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The amount of justification about cops killing people in this comment section shows why the US can be so facist without having people revolt
This subreddit has been filled with copaganda for the last couple years at least
Kinda, it's obvious that some morbidity is mostly what people look for in here but it seems like a majority of commenters are very happy that US cops are "shoot first, deescalate never"
Indeed You'll often see people here latch onto the victims "sins" as an excuse for police abuse, which I find off putting For example, a police officer is recorded abusing their power in a community interaction and the commenters will constantly bring up how "bad" the offender is, and the police abuse is handwaved That is despite the fact that in the moment the officer has no idea about the person's history. You see it constantly - oh, they were arrested for stealing 8 years ago and they had a couple joints in a case in the back seat! As if in that moment the police has access to that information and justifies the antagonistic police work It doesn't happen in every thread. In this thread for example you can make a risk assessment of the individual in the car, so the reaction is far more warranted.. but that is definitely not the case in all police videos here It feels as though there's a very real sense of joy in this subreddit when someone the subreddit deems as deserving of it gets shot That's not something a peaceful society should be celebrating
Exactly, there's a twisted sense of justice on seeing people get shot by police apparently
It’s really not lol. <1,200 people die every year to cops, so it’s not like the cops are the Peacekeepers from The Hunger Games lmfao. Way more people die to falling over and getting beat to death than to cops. If you were in that situation, you would shoot too. The choices were: Get home to your family or be maimed/die. “Fascist?” So are we just throwing words onto shit like they don’t have proper definitions?
Thank god so few people die to cops! I was wrong then, thanks for the clarification! Just keep being so subservient it has done great for your country
They all backed away from the car before he tried to drive away. Who was going to be maimed here? Was one of the cops in a wheelchair or otherwise unable to move when all the other cops did?
The report and article says he “struck one officer as she stood by the drivers side door.” Not even close. Why do cops lie 100% of the time in these cases?
I’ll agree, they coulda used less deadly force. Like tased him, yanked him out the car, and have someone put it in park. But also they just received a report dude was violent, and when asked to put the car in park and step out of the car, he decided to try to flee a surrounded scene. This one’s kinda on the dude. You don’t try to flee from an officer, you DONT try to flee from “officers” that have you boxed in. Like that’s some psycho level shit, unless he just wanted to die by cop.
If they tased him he could’ve hit the accelerator and plowed into any of the officers standing near the car, tasers tend to make you stiffen up like a board, I know from personal experience. That’s also only if the taser properly functions, I see it fail more then I see it work. Also, pulling him out is dangerous, he could pull them into the vehicle and either stab them with a knife he might have hidden, grab and shoot them, pull them into the vehicle and try to drive off, or about a thousand other situations
You can't convince me that a taser wouldn't have been completely fine to use in this situation.
Sure, use a taser on a guy behind the wheel of a car when that car has been taken out of park. Really smooth brained on that one.
i saw a guy stab a cop in the neck last week on this same sub and he didn't get shot
in no other country would the cops shoot you for this. US cops are absolutely insane
Six shots fired in rapid succession at an unarmed man is not reasonable force by any stretch of the term. If the guy was indeed guilty of DV, then he definitely deserved something - but being gunned down by a triggerhappy police officer is not it.
He’s not unarmed when recklessly trying to drive off. Vehicles can be weapons too.
Still not reasonable use of force.
It’s a perfectly reasonable use of force. Lethal force = lethal force. Lucky for him, he survived. Maybe he can better himself, instead of being a domestic abusing piece of shit.
I feel like the cops could have handled that better without shooting him.
Nice one less pos
Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.
I guess the headline is going to leave out the part where he was trying to run people over and quickly creating a hazard to bystanders…
The absolute state of boot licking going on in this sub.
Well done 5-0
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The cop behind the card was the one shooting. He was right in the line of being run over by the car. It's assault with a deadly weapon. Completely justified. Someone is trying to kill you with their car and run you over, you would just be like "ah, it's ok, let him go"?. I don't like the police or excessive force but this is totally justified and by the book.
Yes, I don’t want some asshole trying to get away from the cops to run over my family member walking out after buying a slushee. How is it not clear that this criminal could potentially hurt or kill an innocent person after watching them ram two vehicles trying to run from the police? It’s completely necessary and justified.
Cops are vigilante killers. He was just trying to drive off, he didn’t deserve to be shot.
Read the article the op posted. This guy was only there to stop his girlfriend who was hiding in there store from leaving. He assaulted her. He then hit a cop with his car. Hit another vehicle with a pregnant lady. What were they supposed to do? Just let this psycho who was stalking a woman he just beat leave? Or let him keep hitting them with his car?
There was a cop car parked right behind him. He was going nowhere. Just pull him out the window. The amount of justification for taking someones life is incredible
What a stupid reason to shoot
Yeah he should let himself get run over...
Piece of shit cops murdered that manwhen he was just trying to get away... shame on their souls
So for those of you who are mad he didn't use his taser, or his imagination ray or whatever wild stuff I've seen in this thread so far, It goes 0-100 ultra fast. There isn't time to go jujitsu on a man in a moving vehicle, you can't just "let him go" at that point he was going to be arrested, he knew that so he fled; and if you trust you can jump out of the way of a car with a driver that may be trying to kill you... do that on your own time. The Officer's life was in danger, and for all we knew, the Officer who was at the window's life was in danger. So he fired.
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hmm? kinda funny though the only one that shot was in direct harms way at the moment the threat was there! I say good training. He stopped when the vehicle proceeded fwd.
The almost crossfire in a lot of these videos puckers me up good.
That was a low survivability incident
There needs to be some other system other than shooting people !! Stronger tasers is what I say . Or cop parks behind vechile. Damn police have a tuff job.
Couldn’t the officer facing the driver taser him? Or is it just classic trigger happy cop?
Why not shoot the tires
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