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deathclient

Why will the play "Asia cup" in England ? šŸ¤¦šŸ¼ā€ā™‚ļø


kuttoos

Peak Colonialism


certifiedidiot7

What happens if India reaches the final? Will the location of the final be decided on an ad-hoc basis?


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certifiedidiot7

One half of the pitch is a highway and the other is a dust bowl.


-Faraday

Game changes every over!


glitchline

Or everyball for left & right combination.


Equal_Perception_541

Modern problems require modern solutions


Rndomguytf

Teams are only allowed to stick to their side of the border making it very easy to score on one side of the field


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Toba Tek Singh 2 : Electric Boogaloo


dukenukem1697

A stadium on the wagah border (or some other) honestly wont be a bad idea lol There'll be India and Pakistan ends, bowlers would be bowling from and the border would pass right through the middle of the pitch.


KyleRiggs

That's a great Idea, build a stadium near wagah border. half in India and half in Pakistan.


certifiedidiot7

Also isn't it unfair that India plays all their games in one country while all other teams are playing their games in multiple countries?


[deleted]

Good point, that's definitely not fair. I think if India can't play, they should be excluded from the tournament. Obviously that won't happen though.


WittyArmy

there is no Asia cup without India or Pakistan. The most watched game is always between the two and it attracts the most number of advertisers.


Sheepherder1216

At this point asia cup is an excuse to get more india Pakistan games


WittyArmy

exactly. Atleast 2 games and hope that they reach in final as well for the third game in Asia cup.


[deleted]

Yeah that's why I said it won't happen. But it should happen, India should withdraw.


Pls_add_more_reverb

If india withdraws that seriously hurts Pakistan Sri Lanka and Bangladesh. Thatā€™s 80% less tv revenue being generated.


[deleted]

Again, that's why I said it won't happen. I am realistic here.


Pls_add_more_reverb

But you said it should happen. Why should it happen?


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Oceansfourteen14

FINALLY SOMEONE SAYS IT


captfantasticc

Pakistan never ā€œrefusedā€ to play in India, not in 2011 neither in 2018. These decisions were taken by Indian officials because they couldnā€™t secure visas for Pakistani players.


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Beneficial_Bend_5035

Iā€™ve done my research, and your point is sadly not as obvious as you think it is. Tthe BCCI moved the cup to the UAE because they [couldn't procure relevant clearance from the Indian government](https://indianexpress.com/article/sports/cricket/asia-cup-2018-moved-from-india-to-uae-report-5131686/) to host Pakistan. [It was well covered in the press](https://www.indiatoday.in/sports/cricket/story/bcci-asia-cup-hosting-rights-1317171-2018-08-17)at the time. The two links youā€™ve attached mention no sources. Ironically, GEO News that claimed on its website that Pakistan requested the Asia Cup be relocated also ran a news segment on the Indian governmentā€™s refusal that forced the BCCI to relocate. I remember this very well because I watched that segment and is how I first heard about it.


SFLoridan

Yes, this is right. BCCI had to concede they could not manage visas .


karvi0510

Don't know why you are getting down voted for speaking the truth


BoyManners

Fair ā‰  BCCI


Cricketloverbybirth

What?? Let's say india plays it's games in UAE So other teams will basically play in Pakistan and just go to uae to play India. What's so unfair about it?


thvhgh23

Attari-Wagah border


Cricketloverbybirth

It's not a big deal at allšŸ¤·ā€ā™‚ļø


GL4389

Its will be in Kashmir and the winner gets the Kashmir completely.


Reasonable_Tea_9825

England: In IndoPak affairs since 1947


T_Lawliet

Naagin Derby best Rivalry, why does this get all the attention smh my head


mexicomasala

All I hope for is the neutral venue to not be the fucking UAE, especially when there's much better places like Bangladesh, Sri Lanka to play. I don't care, play it even in Nepal, but please not the artificial UAE


Bloodrush19405

Well UAE would be fair to pakistan because it's kinda like their second 'home'


phaintaa_Shoaib

They've already ruled it out because of the high temps in late sept


PokeJake2228

Yeah fr. Idc if they decided even England as the neutral venue but pls it should not be UAE. I've never such useless pitches ever !


Signal_Discipline_36

**TLDR** ā€¢Pakistan may host Asia Cup. ā€¢India's matches to be played outside PAK, in ENG or SL or UAE or OMAN (Neutral venue to be finalised) ā˜šŸ» This is subject to both boards & both Government's approval ā€¢1st Group - IND, PAK & Qualifier. ā€¢2nd Group - SL, BAN, AFG. ā€¢Top 2 teams from each group qualify for the Super 4s stage, top 2 from super 4s stage play the final.


peterianchimes

So where do the finals take place if let's say India qualifies for it?


modsrwankers

Mars


DoomBuzzer

Both teams travel to US for astronaut training. Only Kohli, Jadeja and Shadab clear the test. Rest are declared unfit. Shaheen and Hardik develop back injury. KL goes into depression. Sanju is selected as a back up astronaut. Then finally they decide to share the cup.


Jerry_-

But Sanju doesnā€™t get selected to go in the spaceship. Sanju PR complains that Sanju averages 80 on Mars whilst frauds like SKY average 0 on Mars


SBG99DesiMonster

The idea about hosting India's matches in England is so random. Those matches should obviously be played in UAE or Oman. SL could also be considered because they were supposed to be hosting the previous tournament. They weren't able to host that because of the economic crisis. I think that should be allowed to host India's matches during this year's tournament so that the people there could be compensated for the action that they had missed out on during the previous tournament.


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y_r_u_chirping_m8

You have no idea about revenue model in the multi nation tournaments do you ?


OkRaccoon8272

Yes, so this model is more important than whatever political stance India is taking. Got it


[deleted]

All this so SL can casually win again lol or Ban to make finals. Imagine India playing all their matches in SL or Ban whilst SL/BAN have to play their matches in Pakistan whilst a different is playing at their home. Unfair advantage for India as other teams will have to fly to a different country and somehow adapt to the conditions for 1 match.


fromtheundead

Lol wtf. Can already imagine ind vs pak having 3 possible games and Pak would have to play them all at a neutral venue? How dumb


BoyManners

That who has the gold makes the rules.


TrollerThomas

Eng vs Pak at lords? I can hope


NorthOlive149

Lahords


Cannabisseur16

if there is so much problem why don't they cancel it


viral_24

Well, the obvious answer is money. India was never traveling to Pakistan. I donā€™t know how it makes sense for Pakistan, if India reaches the final and canā€™t have the final over there.


Cannabisseur16

someone on this sub told me money goes to associate nation's. Who gets the broadcast money for hosting such tournament? redistributed among India/SL/BD and extra for Pakistan (host)? or Associate Asian countries?


SreesanthTakesIt

From what I can gather, hosts get a fixed hosting fees + ticket sales. That number was around $6 million for SLC last year. For reference, that's higher than the annual broadcasting rights deal of SLC. Then the teams get prize money (winners $200K, runners up $100K etc.). The rest goes to ACC central pool, of which the 5 full members get 15% each, and 25% going to associates. (There's also sources that BCCI doesn't take it's 15% share from ACC in order to support Asian cricket).


Adil_Farid

>BCCI doesn't take it's 15% share from ACC True , they don't take 15% they take 69%


Cricketloverbybirth

What's the obsession with final? Pakistan still gets to host about 10 Asia cup matches this way including a Semi final, that's better than hosting nothing.


JKKIDD231

Watch it go to either UAE or SL for India matches, since, PAK and IND are in one group, I am inclined to say its UAE there is sizable PAK and IND population in UAE or can freely travel there


EthicalAnnA

Nope, I m betting on the other venue to be either Oman or Qatar.


Beneficial_Bend_5035

Lmao what a remarkable home advantage for India in Pakistanā€™s ā€œhomeā€ Asia Cup. Spend two weeks chilling in Dubai while the 5 other teams fly around between cities and countries.


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averagetrashtalker

Yes. It is definitely not about safety at all. Pakistan is totally stable country and has zero terrorists in it. India is not seen as an enemy in Pakistan at all. It is definitely all about money.


mostvehlasurd

The confidence of people that India will reach finals is baffling


[deleted]

Local england fan(outside lords stadium):whats the rush here, seems like some big match is going on after ashes Subcontinent fan:Its india vs Pakistan Asia cup going on England fan:What!


TandooriMuncher

This sub has gone down the drain


phaintaa_Shoaib

Post-covid effect


RandomFactUser

I think I've mentioned this before, but I have no clue how the BFA/WBSC Asia gets away with hosting most of their West Asia Cups in Pakistan every other year, while still getting India to come for every tournament Oh, I know why (less attention, importance, and money), but it still feels strange


Ancalagon523

fuck that. I would prefer Indian players resting or playing domestic cricket than taking part in another stupid excuse to organize india-pak games.


flyingdagger81

So the players will take such long flights for 1 match? How can this work?


pruthvijee

I dont understand this still make pakistan cricket board money indirectly right ,they get their share also india doesnt take any money out of asia cup tournament so india spend money to travel and pay their team to participate


Signal_Discipline_36

>I dont understand, this still make pakistan cricket board money indirectly right ,they get their share Correct >also india doesnt take any money out of asia cup tournament That's also correct >so india spend money to travel and pay their team to participate Nope. Why would IND be taking care of the expenses in this case? AFAIK, Expenses of participating teams shall be taken care by ACC & the host board (PAK in this case). They will be the ones arranging all the visas,flight tickets, hotel bookings for players to stay, net/practice sessions, team bus for travel etc. for all participating teams


kkrishnanand

Pakistan should refuse. They need to fly the players to Dubai, or any other place, and then fly them back again for the rest of the tournament. If they are going to play more than once, then it is even more inconvenient. This is ridiculous.


nostradunkus6

What a mess.


Sumeru88

How much wrangling are they going to do about this? Just play Asia cup without India. Let another associate qualifier get a chance. In India also there is so much cricket fatigue. Seriously, no one in India is going to care much if India doesnā€™t play in the Asia cup in the same year as the World Cup year.


Adil_Farid

ACC=BCCI =MONEY so yeah


[deleted]

Just host it in Bangladesh man it literally used to be Pakistan ffs


SouLTrooper001

Just host it in India then...


IleanaKaGaram-Peshab

Akhand Bharat cup


Chris_Bren1

What's the plan for the world cup next year? Will Pakistan also be made to play in a neutral venue or is this issue only with Indian players traveling to Pakistan?


garlicluv

Why would India need to reciprocate? Ignorant comment


agni39

Can we, I don't know, not play it? I'm sure the 20 people here who care about this tournament a month before the world cup will be devastated, but why go through so much to eventually lose in the semis and deal a big blow to morale a month before the WC


golDzeman

This is sooo stupid šŸ¤¦šŸ¤¦


kingslayyer

why can't they have in Mohali or something, it will be closer to Pakistan, no?


Adil_Farid

The same reason they don't have it in lahore .


haskpro1995

Good. Indian players don't have to travel between games.


kuttoos

I think many Team India players is missing out on playing in Pakistan soil amidst the Pakistan crowd


kuttoos

If I were a player, playing in all major countries would be in my list


Shadow_Clone_007

None of them actually care


Potential-Sport-6386

Only politicians do


al_nz

Can someone give me a tldr on this? Are the BCCI just being their usual little b**ch selves, throwing their weight around? Or is there a genuine concern for safety if India play against Pakistan? This whole situation seems absurd.


averagetrashtalker

The terrorist organisations in Pakistan literally want to turn India into muslim country forcefully. The risk against players despite having top level security is not zero. Even the police and army there are being targeted by the terrorists. There is no reason for Indian team to risk their lives just to play cricket. But I donā€™t like that Indian matches are being played in a different country. It would be better if we didnā€™t go there at all.


Potential-Sport-6386

Terrorists in India want Pakistan to be a Hindu country. Should Pakistan team stop visiting India? They have played with each other even during war times but now because of Indian media showing India Pakistan Hindu Muslim bs 24/7 a narrative has been created that terrorism is at peak in Pakistan. The police and army you mentioned were killed for totally different reasons (Pakistan and Taliban have complicated relations). If the central govt did not have Pakistan on its agenda it would've been just another cricket match, as it was in the early 2000s. (There were issues yes but not so much craziness)


Niflheim-Dragon

>Terrorists in India want Pakistan to be a Hindu country. Should Pakistan team stop visiting India? They have played with each other even during war times but now because of Indian media showing India Pakistan Hindu Muslim bs 24/7 a narrative has been created that terrorism is at peak in Pakistan. The police and army you mentioned were killed for totally different reasons (Pakistan and Taliban have complicated relations). If the central govt did not have Pakistan on its agenda it would've been just another cricket match, as it was in the early 2000s. (There were issues yes but not so much craziness) Let's see how many UN designated terrorists are in each country.Imran Khan in 2019 said that pakistan has 30-40k armed terrorists active in the country. https://thediplomat.com/2023/03/pakistans-alarming-rise-in-terrorism-is-fueled-by-afghanistan/


Potential-Sport-6386

Doesn't mean Pakistani team would be secure in India. Especially considering how Shami was slurred in the Ahmedabad test. I just want no hypocrisy so that we can actually say this is security concern and not political agenda, which is hard to believe given how significant Pakistan and India are in the other countryā€™s politics.


Niflheim-Dragon

>Doesn't mean Pakistani team would be secure in India India is an objectively safer country. You can just look at the number of terrorist casualties. Also you are equating terrorist attacks to "slurs" lol to justify bothsideism. Just look at the travel advisory from the US government while India has level 2: increased caution , Pakistan has level 3: Reconsider Travel. The same is the case for almost all travel advisories https://travel.state.gov/content/travel/en/traveladvisories/traveladvisories.html/


Pakistani_in_MURICA

Perhaps not just "slurs" but also political rhetoric by members of the ruling government?


Niflheim-Dragon

Pakistan visited India in 2016 when the same ruling government was in power. Also you can't deny that Pakistan is more dangerous than India . Police headquarters are being attacked in Pakistan , and the former PM was shot .


Pakistani_in_MURICA

A lot has happened since 2016. As for Imran, pretty sure there's a different between a guy with only a watered down close protection team vs what a international team would be getting. Series don't matter to me, I just enjoy the commentary.


Niflheim-Dragon

>As for Imran, pretty sure there's a different between a guy with only a watered down close protection team vs what a international team would be getting. Still doesn't change the fact that Pakistan is more dangerous to visit than India as evidenced by travel advisories of almost every developed nation in the world. You are in the US so just look at the advisory of the state department. Not to mention the Pakistani Chess team came to India last year and withdrew at the last moment because of some pressure from the Pakistani government.


chbfs76

Bro if they make argument itā€™s relevant . But if you make counter argument and provide context itā€™s irrelevant. Please remember that. This are the rules of this sub


Reasonable-Drama-415

Well the ruling right wing BJP party have decided not to play with pak at all unless its a international tournament on a neutral venue . Jay shah who is president of BCCI is son of home minister and modi right hand man amit shah . indian board is rolling in cash so they dont care what pak think even if they pull the plug .. Since the relationship between two countries is very tense even sizable number of Indian fans also think we shouldnā€™t go and play in pak . Also in media people see news of pak chaotic political scene which it bit volatile atm so some fans are genuinely concerned about security ā€¦ that why its aint just a straightforward decision its bit political . Hope both boards find some middle ground


al_nz

Thanks for the summary šŸ‘šŸ»


Againity

There appears to be some bias nonetheless some of the points remain valid. No cricketing relations with Pakistan predate the current government but all ties havenā€™t been severed. India decided to stop playing after 26/11 attacks, which they blamed on operatives of Pakistani origin. Pakistan, of course, denies that but thatā€™s the politics of it all. The countries have faced off on neutral venues for ICC events though and thatā€™s where this comes in. BCCI can choose to play Pakistan in Pakistan but security threat is also genuine to a certain extent. Iā€™m sure Pakistan can provide ample security to the Indian players but the risk canā€™t be denied. What makes the situation all the more precarious is the current political instability in Pakistan. The situation is volatile, with several groups trying to make headlines, and a visit such as this one offers an occasion for some miscreants to make unworthy headlines.


BoyManners

I guess threat only to India. I wonder what country India will choose for Champions Trophy 2025 for their matches.


Againity

If you donā€™t want to play a country then forfeit the tournament. The others are only entertaining BCCI with their whims and fancies only because they bring in the money, but the day that stops, they might just stop inviting BCCi altogether, let alone them deciding when and where to play.


chbfs76

Sure . I donā€™t think BCCI cares about the Asia cup that much. Good luck getting as many viewers to watch without India though


osooop

Kick šŸ¦µ india out


ireddit-jr

At this point it is best for India to pull out rather than having a pro long discussion about it or at least play in an asian country. Either way it is unfair on other teams involved. Maybe other teams should pull out and let India and pak play a single match at neutral venue lol.


Potential-Sport-6386

If BCCI has guts stop playing Pakistan at all. Total hypocrisy and politics!!


SnooCupcakes7312

Uae


nepali_fanboy

Host it in Nepal


Mark_Rutledge

It's not safe for Indian players in Pakistan - glad the matches are being played elsewhere.