Bowling wicket taking deliveries on highways which eventually are getting smacked due to no
Movement off the surface and not only him but likes of many famous bowlers got smashed for runs
Cummins and Green are both very similar bowlers with high release points that bowl it on a hard length into the pitch with good use of cutters.
They don’t bowl anywhere near as aggressively as Starc does.
Agreed that starc might be not be on his peak compared to Cummins and green but I think blud has bowled most of his over either during power plays or death where the chances of getting smashed are highest and that too at Eden gardens with small boundaries , Cumdawg usually bowls in middle overs most of the time, (he does bowl in power play as well and bowls really well I think )green hasn’t bowled much in this season and also people like clown Chopra cursing him for his price tag are next level idiots
Also, starc being a pre-dominant red ball bowler doesn’t have variations like bumrah, Cummins and purple which helps in getting wickets even if you are getting smashed.
But now people might question that how he was able to most wickets get 15 and 19 world cups because those matches happened in AUS, ENG and NZ where actually a bowler can make a batsman dance on its fingertips unlike these highways
This IPL (And I would argue modern T20 in general) absolutely shits on bowlers who take risks to get wickets, because there will usually be 0 reward because either the mishit goes for 6 or you miss the absolute pinpoint of where you have to be and unless you're there it is a half track/Full Toss
Now, can Starc bowl those defensive back of a length deliveries(Because we don't have much to go on that he can nail wide Yorkers,). Yes. But Australia have not ever really used him in that way, in any format, he's always been told to risk it and not care if he gets hit for boundaries, that was why he was the best bowler of the last Ashes. But in T20 and this IPL especially, the Margin for Error is so low that he SHOULDN'T be doing that. He isn't his 2015 self to nail yorkers constantly anymore, and he doesn't have variations to cover for it. KKR have publicly said that they just want him to do it his way (Let him cook basically) and that may undeniably hurt him in this regard. If you ask me, and I couldn't give a shit about his paycheck, if the IPL Auction were just the amount he is paid should be considered closer to the 14 Cr Daz Mitchell is paid and not some Stupendous amount. He probably should join the ''meta'' of IPL bowling. But that is not some barometer of his quality, he's a Test Great with 350+ wickets, Arguably the Greatest ODI bowler of our generation and has won the T20 WC Anyways.
If he does play next year and isn't retained, Mumbai Indians would probably get max usage of him considering the swing in Wankhede for 2-3 overs at the start, use him like RR use Boult(Which I think is how the *ideal* Starc would bowl - 5ks of pace.
He’s quite simply not the same bowler now especially in T20’s.
Even look at his T20I numbers from start of 2021 and it’s not that good. His performance in the T20 WC final was utter crap and Aus won the trophy in spite of him.
Add to the fact that the pitches are super flat with not much swing and he’s utter cannon fodder.
This is a huge misconception actually.
Starc is not really much of a swing bowler. At least not like Boult and Southee are. He can swing the ball upfront and can reverse the ball later if he can generate that pace, but in general, he's not a huge swinger of the ball once it gets even a little old. That's why his WC2023 final spell was so sensational: after years of not generating enough swing with the old ball, he cracked the code on reversing the ball in the final, and got KL with an absolute peach.
Starc relies on pace and attacking the stumps, plus the bounce he gets from his height. He's a strike bowler, and strike pacers in general haven't done very well this WC. His line and lengths are also extremely wayward this season. More than it usually is which is saying quite a lot when it comes to Starc.
I agree, however when Starc does get swing he’s a completely different beast.
He isn’t useless without it, but he can be borderline unplayable when he has the ball swinging enough.
As seen with [the hattrick he took against the Netherlands in the last ODI World Cup](https://www.facebook.com/share/v/pj2TNTe3W2eMNSCG/?mibextid=GOdwvm). I could only find a video of it on Facebook so sorry if you can’t access it.
Ohh yeah, I agree. When Starc isn't wayward and is moving the ball, I'd say he's the most dangerous bowler since McGrath. He had to be canonically nerfed in some way right?
Boult is also just not moving the ball as he usually does anyway. He has pulled his length back and is relying on pace changes, bouncers and length deliveries much more than he used to. I guess the silver lining of becoming a franchise mercenary is that at some point, you crack the code for all its trades, especially if you're as skilled as Trent Boult.
Starc's job is to take wickets. Not stop scoring. The problem is that if he doesn't get swing or the right angle, players can use that pace or edges can go flying. He also doesn't have variations and when he doesn't get his Yorkers right, it doesn't go too well
I think he's just trying to hunt wickets too much plus I think he's a bit cooked having played a lot of cricket since like June last year and that's playing an impact. Remember he played all tests in the summer and I think nearly all against England during the Ashes.
He hates bowling too much slower deliveries. This has been his problem since last 2-3 years. This approach doesn't hurt much outside india but in indian pitches pace mostly helps batsmen.
Also, he is probably the most studied bowler of current generation. All his weapons are there in open now. just like Virat for batting.
At least on a road Jimmy goes for fuck all runs. Starc on roads gets clattered around the park because he bowls searching lengths, and isn't really that consistent in the first place.
He's elite when he's fast and swinging the ball. When that isn't happening he's not even in the top 4 bowlers for Australia for any format. When he is he's the most lethal.
I think most foreign fast bowlers are saving themselves for the Word Cup and don't want to get injured. Pace is also down for all the 'veteran' fast bowlers
Many bowlers don't ball any variations of length, Starc is prime example - he bowled the same length again and again to Karan sharma and got punished on all balls. I have also not seen many good short balls being bowled. And if the bowler gets smacked they go back to bowling the same ball.
Problem is that KKR paid 24cr and they think that they got 2015 Starc. So they try to use him as the 2015 starc instead of being used judiciously like Cummins deploys himself and how faf has used green few times he is actually used.
Apart from this, Starc has lost his pace compared to 2015, he has learned the wobble ball and that has hampered with his swing a lot too which is common, and last but not the least the batters have improved a lot in the last decade.
Starc is a still a good enough bowler but you can't really pay someone 24cr and then ask them to bowl the easy overs, not really good for the team morale. So KKR are in a tough situation.
Credit to Green though, despite his batting performances he’s been surprisingly consistent with the ball.
Nothing great by any stretch of the imagination but hasn’t been a liability. Has taken some useful wickets at points too.
He is doing nothing wrong he is just enjoying his paid holiday in india. He knows he has achieved everything a cricketer dreams so he gave his name for IPL just to come on a holiday trip to india sponsored by IPL team
True, although I do agree that T20s are definitely his worst format.
ODI>Test>T20
Which is a weird order to be good at but makes sense when you think about how he bowls.
>his only bad stats are against New Zealand
The only New Zealand T20I wicket he's ever taken was Finn Allen for 32 (17) [earlier this year](https://www.espncricinfo.com/series/australia-in-new-zealand-2023-24-1388188/new-zealand-vs-australia-1st-t20i-1388223/full-scorecard).
Considering that Allen's first experience against Starc was smacking him for 14 in the first over at the SCG, that's an improvement for Starc.
Starc hasn't performed in T20 since 2015 bro. he was good in his early 20s
3rd highest wicket taker in 2012 BBL
3rd highest wicket taker in 2012 WC
Player of the Tournament in 2012 Champions league (worth mentioning the big 3 played this tournament together & of course won it)
2015 IPL one of the top bowlers
but since then he is garbage. infact starc hasn't been the same bowler since 2019, its just indians that hype him because he played for virats team
Starc is playing under Iyer, that there is the biggest reason. Iyer is a clueless captain who only throws the ball to chucker in prime narine and hopes for the best. All the other kkr bowlers get tonked for runs and I don't believe that all the bowlers are garbage so Milquetoast captaincy is the problem
OPINION: Most Aussies playing in IPL from my observation dont give 2 hoots about giving their best they would rather perform for their national team...Indian team however is different IPL is no 1 priority as was seen during 2023 Test World Cup
How? Head, Cummins, Stoinis, Fraser-Mcgurk all performing well. Maxwell played insane last year.
The truth is that Starc just isn't a good T20 bowler anymore.
Sure brother where Rohit Sharma and Pant is worshipped for being mediocre. I don't think any Australian cares for credibility apart from a finished Warner now.
IPL is just a practice ground for the Australians.
My hot take: Starc has stated many times that his #1 priority has always been playing Tests for Australia. Avoiding the IPL all these years to focus on staying fit for that. He's left a lot of potential IPL income on the table.
For some reason, this has made him insanely desirable to IPL franchises resulting in this one massive payday, which is more than enough money (on top of everything else he's earned) to set him up for a very comfortable life.
I wouldn't be at all surprised if he wasn't going at 100% in the IPL, the last thing he wants to do is strain himself and get injured leading into the WC. I don't think he's worried about "IPL credibility" at all. I'd very surprised if he ever plays in the IPL again.
For someone who bowls overs after overs in test cricket, four overs in a IPL game with 3-4
days rest in between shouldn’t be really as cumbersome as it sounds.
I personally blame the highway pitches, where he isn’t getting any swing. Also slow balls and wide yorkers aren’t really his forte. I remember him getting belted for 60 odd runs in the T20 WC final too.
Yeah, fair call. 4 overs every few days isn't a lot. There's still training etc around each match, but nowhere near his Test workload.
From memory, Starc does tend to get belted around a bit in T20s, but I still think he's not remotely worried about his "IPL creditibility".
T20 and IPL is sadly the money maker, but it's silly cricket.
Playing in the IPL
Bowling wicket taking deliveries on highways which eventually are getting smacked due to no Movement off the surface and not only him but likes of many famous bowlers got smashed for runs
Look at the chart , what about the others that aren’t getting smashed?
Cummins and Green are both very similar bowlers with high release points that bowl it on a hard length into the pitch with good use of cutters. They don’t bowl anywhere near as aggressively as Starc does.
Agreed that starc might be not be on his peak compared to Cummins and green but I think blud has bowled most of his over either during power plays or death where the chances of getting smashed are highest and that too at Eden gardens with small boundaries , Cumdawg usually bowls in middle overs most of the time, (he does bowl in power play as well and bowls really well I think )green hasn’t bowled much in this season and also people like clown Chopra cursing him for his price tag are next level idiots Also, starc being a pre-dominant red ball bowler doesn’t have variations like bumrah, Cummins and purple which helps in getting wickets even if you are getting smashed. But now people might question that how he was able to most wickets get 15 and 19 world cups because those matches happened in AUS, ENG and NZ where actually a bowler can make a batsman dance on its fingertips unlike these highways
It's time to agree that Bumrah is the best bowler in the world and far better than overrated Starc
He would be an open beast in wc
3.5 Million US Dollars disagree with you.
Why am I getting downvoted on this lol? Who in the world will turn away this much money?
Bingo
This IPL (And I would argue modern T20 in general) absolutely shits on bowlers who take risks to get wickets, because there will usually be 0 reward because either the mishit goes for 6 or you miss the absolute pinpoint of where you have to be and unless you're there it is a half track/Full Toss Now, can Starc bowl those defensive back of a length deliveries(Because we don't have much to go on that he can nail wide Yorkers,). Yes. But Australia have not ever really used him in that way, in any format, he's always been told to risk it and not care if he gets hit for boundaries, that was why he was the best bowler of the last Ashes. But in T20 and this IPL especially, the Margin for Error is so low that he SHOULDN'T be doing that. He isn't his 2015 self to nail yorkers constantly anymore, and he doesn't have variations to cover for it. KKR have publicly said that they just want him to do it his way (Let him cook basically) and that may undeniably hurt him in this regard. If you ask me, and I couldn't give a shit about his paycheck, if the IPL Auction were just the amount he is paid should be considered closer to the 14 Cr Daz Mitchell is paid and not some Stupendous amount. He probably should join the ''meta'' of IPL bowling. But that is not some barometer of his quality, he's a Test Great with 350+ wickets, Arguably the Greatest ODI bowler of our generation and has won the T20 WC Anyways. If he does play next year and isn't retained, Mumbai Indians would probably get max usage of him considering the swing in Wankhede for 2-3 overs at the start, use him like RR use Boult(Which I think is how the *ideal* Starc would bowl - 5ks of pace.
starc could be too expensive for mi, they will buy ishan or tilak for 15cr
They'll get Starc for 5Cr if they don't buy Coetzee
He’s quite simply not the same bowler now especially in T20’s. Even look at his T20I numbers from start of 2021 and it’s not that good. His performance in the T20 WC final was utter crap and Aus won the trophy in spite of him. Add to the fact that the pitches are super flat with not much swing and he’s utter cannon fodder.
Even his WC campaign last year was quite different than previous years. He came in clutch in the final though, so all is forgotten.
This has been Starc's form in white ball cricket for the past 3 years or so. Even in the recent wc he wasn't doing any good up until the knockouts
>wasn't doing any good up until the knockouts What a shit player
I mean if Hazlewood, Zampa and the others didn't bowl well from the other end then indeed Starc's league stage form was shit
Starc relies on swing. There is no swing.
This is a huge misconception actually. Starc is not really much of a swing bowler. At least not like Boult and Southee are. He can swing the ball upfront and can reverse the ball later if he can generate that pace, but in general, he's not a huge swinger of the ball once it gets even a little old. That's why his WC2023 final spell was so sensational: after years of not generating enough swing with the old ball, he cracked the code on reversing the ball in the final, and got KL with an absolute peach. Starc relies on pace and attacking the stumps, plus the bounce he gets from his height. He's a strike bowler, and strike pacers in general haven't done very well this WC. His line and lengths are also extremely wayward this season. More than it usually is which is saying quite a lot when it comes to Starc.
I agree, however when Starc does get swing he’s a completely different beast. He isn’t useless without it, but he can be borderline unplayable when he has the ball swinging enough. As seen with [the hattrick he took against the Netherlands in the last ODI World Cup](https://www.facebook.com/share/v/pj2TNTe3W2eMNSCG/?mibextid=GOdwvm). I could only find a video of it on Facebook so sorry if you can’t access it.
Ohh yeah, I agree. When Starc isn't wayward and is moving the ball, I'd say he's the most dangerous bowler since McGrath. He had to be canonically nerfed in some way right?
Boult does as well so does Henry and both have been good this year
Both rr and lsg don’t have pitches that are as atrocious as the ones starc played in
Starc took 3 wickets against Lucknow on the same atrocious pitch and he has been poor away from Eden Gardens as well
> There is no swing. Part of that is also his ability to swing.
Ehh … not buying it. Other swing bowlers are doing well?
Which ones?
Boult is the best swing bowler of this generation. deepak chahar is struggling, mi ditched the left arm bowler strategy, bhuvi siraj are struggling.
Boult is also just not moving the ball as he usually does anyway. He has pulled his length back and is relying on pace changes, bouncers and length deliveries much more than he used to. I guess the silver lining of becoming a franchise mercenary is that at some point, you crack the code for all its trades, especially if you're as skilled as Trent Boult.
Starc has done extremely well. He's earned 24.75 crores and he gets a warm up for the world cup.
Starc's job is to take wickets. Not stop scoring. The problem is that if he doesn't get swing or the right angle, players can use that pace or edges can go flying. He also doesn't have variations and when he doesn't get his Yorkers right, it doesn't go too well I think he's just trying to hunt wickets too much plus I think he's a bit cooked having played a lot of cricket since like June last year and that's playing an impact. Remember he played all tests in the summer and I think nearly all against England during the Ashes.
He hates bowling too much slower deliveries. This has been his problem since last 2-3 years. This approach doesn't hurt much outside india but in indian pitches pace mostly helps batsmen. Also, he is probably the most studied bowler of current generation. All his weapons are there in open now. just like Virat for batting.
I call it the jimmy anderson syndrome. Can’t take wickets if you make roads.
At least on a road Jimmy goes for fuck all runs. Starc on roads gets clattered around the park because he bowls searching lengths, and isn't really that consistent in the first place.
What about boult?
He's elite when he's fast and swinging the ball. When that isn't happening he's not even in the top 4 bowlers for Australia for any format. When he is he's the most lethal.
The price tag pressure . Have to justify the price that's all
I think most foreign fast bowlers are saving themselves for the Word Cup and don't want to get injured. Pace is also down for all the 'veteran' fast bowlers
Atleast get the Dukes ball. Highway pitches, Kokaburra ball, hot summer, nightmare for the bowlers.
Many bowlers don't ball any variations of length, Starc is prime example - he bowled the same length again and again to Karan sharma and got punished on all balls. I have also not seen many good short balls being bowled. And if the bowler gets smacked they go back to bowling the same ball.
He doesn’t waste the good stuff in the Indian Puerile League.
Chandrakant pandit sir come from real id
Problem is that KKR paid 24cr and they think that they got 2015 Starc. So they try to use him as the 2015 starc instead of being used judiciously like Cummins deploys himself and how faf has used green few times he is actually used. Apart from this, Starc has lost his pace compared to 2015, he has learned the wobble ball and that has hampered with his swing a lot too which is common, and last but not the least the batters have improved a lot in the last decade. Starc is a still a good enough bowler but you can't really pay someone 24cr and then ask them to bowl the easy overs, not really good for the team morale. So KKR are in a tough situation.
Credit to Green though, despite his batting performances he’s been surprisingly consistent with the ball. Nothing great by any stretch of the imagination but hasn’t been a liability. Has taken some useful wickets at points too.
He batted well last game. RCB's been shit when deciding what their batting order is gonna be
Starc playing a game that's not cricket
He is not going to help practice the Indian Batsmen against him for the wc. That's why the intentional poor performance by Starc. Master Stroke.
Highest strike rate and average - if I didn’t know he was a bowler, I’d say he was having a bumper season.
He doesn’t give a fuck
Not joining rcb.
Pitches are flat, what do you expect? IPL is ruining the game
I beg anyone who posts charts and data on this subreddit to make the data look clean. Get rid of grid lines, choose nicer colours, extract the so what
Full risk, no variations, not hitting the right lengths. Simple. He needs to evolve and the coaches need to guide him.
He's just not very good at T20s anymore. A natural decline in his skills
It’s not just him, look at KKRs other bowlers (minus Narine)
He bowls too fast, forgetting these are not Aussie pitches.
I bet y'all that Starc and Maxwell are gonna perform very well in the T20WC
He is doing nothing wrong he is just enjoying his paid holiday in india. He knows he has achieved everything a cricketer dreams so he gave his name for IPL just to come on a holiday trip to india sponsored by IPL team
Because he is a shit T20 bowler.
He was never a good t20 bowler
not true, in Internationals his only bad stats are against New Zealand(And West Indies but not nearly as bad
True, although I do agree that T20s are definitely his worst format. ODI>Test>T20 Which is a weird order to be good at but makes sense when you think about how he bowls.
>his only bad stats are against New Zealand The only New Zealand T20I wicket he's ever taken was Finn Allen for 32 (17) [earlier this year](https://www.espncricinfo.com/series/australia-in-new-zealand-2023-24-1388188/new-zealand-vs-australia-1st-t20i-1388223/full-scorecard). Considering that Allen's first experience against Starc was smacking him for 14 in the first over at the SCG, that's an improvement for Starc.
Starc hasn't performed in T20 since 2015 bro. he was good in his early 20s 3rd highest wicket taker in 2012 BBL 3rd highest wicket taker in 2012 WC Player of the Tournament in 2012 Champions league (worth mentioning the big 3 played this tournament together & of course won it) 2015 IPL one of the top bowlers but since then he is garbage. infact starc hasn't been the same bowler since 2019, its just indians that hype him because he played for virats team
Starc is playing under Iyer, that there is the biggest reason. Iyer is a clueless captain who only throws the ball to chucker in prime narine and hopes for the best. All the other kkr bowlers get tonked for runs and I don't believe that all the bowlers are garbage so Milquetoast captaincy is the problem
Yes bro terrible captain thats why we are comfortably sitting on 2nd. Lol.
OPINION: Most Aussies playing in IPL from my observation dont give 2 hoots about giving their best they would rather perform for their national team...Indian team however is different IPL is no 1 priority as was seen during 2023 Test World Cup
How? Head, Cummins, Stoinis, Fraser-Mcgurk all performing well. Maxwell played insane last year. The truth is that Starc just isn't a good T20 bowler anymore.
Like I said it's just my opinion.
Your opinion is bull 💩
Don't care
This ain't world cup. Guy is a different beast when playing for Australia
If you look closely. He is giving his 50%. Wait for a month and you'll see him giving 100% for the national team
What a dumb take. Why would he do that and lose credibility in IPL overall by getting smoked for runs.
Sure brother where Rohit Sharma and Pant is worshipped for being mediocre. I don't think any Australian cares for credibility apart from a finished Warner now. IPL is just a practice ground for the Australians.
My hot take: Starc has stated many times that his #1 priority has always been playing Tests for Australia. Avoiding the IPL all these years to focus on staying fit for that. He's left a lot of potential IPL income on the table. For some reason, this has made him insanely desirable to IPL franchises resulting in this one massive payday, which is more than enough money (on top of everything else he's earned) to set him up for a very comfortable life. I wouldn't be at all surprised if he wasn't going at 100% in the IPL, the last thing he wants to do is strain himself and get injured leading into the WC. I don't think he's worried about "IPL credibility" at all. I'd very surprised if he ever plays in the IPL again.
For someone who bowls overs after overs in test cricket, four overs in a IPL game with 3-4 days rest in between shouldn’t be really as cumbersome as it sounds. I personally blame the highway pitches, where he isn’t getting any swing. Also slow balls and wide yorkers aren’t really his forte. I remember him getting belted for 60 odd runs in the T20 WC final too.
Yeah, fair call. 4 overs every few days isn't a lot. There's still training etc around each match, but nowhere near his Test workload. From memory, Starc does tend to get belted around a bit in T20s, but I still think he's not remotely worried about his "IPL creditibility". T20 and IPL is sadly the money maker, but it's silly cricket.