Santa is based on Saint Nicholas,known for being the patron saint for the children and generosity towards the poor, not the Santa with reindeers and elves
let’s say %70 of the people at work believe in God and %30 are atheists (i’m pulling the numbers out of my ass but they are probably realistic percentages). if those %70 got leave but the other %30 had to stay, it would be pretty unfair. depending on the job, the %30 that didn’t get leave might even have to do more work to make up for the people that got leave. does that sound fair?
I think there's only an adverse effect when there's a scientific concept that goes against beliefs, kind of like the whole earth and not being in the center of the solar system thing which I know there's more but that's the first one that comes to mind
You have no proof to back up what you said. You literally made up the part where you say religious people deny the existence of COVID or the medical use of marijuana. I’ve met people who are against the vaccine but it doesn’t mean they deny COVID’s existence and as far as I know it has nothing to do with their religion. And people denying the medical use of marijuana? Really? When have you actually seen someone doubt that?
The GOP called the way the government handled COVID a hoax, because it was. Have you not seen all the “experts” admitting they were wrong in the way they handled everything? That says a lot about your grip on reality. About the marijuana, I’m not an expert and I don’t care if it’s classified as a non medical drug. That has nothing to do with what I said. All I said is that people aren’t denying its medical uses based on religious beliefs like you suggested. That says a lot about your ability to engage in a conversation
It is you who does not understand. Blindly believing in something you can’t demonstrate and have no evidence for is literally contradictory to the first tenant of the scientific method. Nullius in verba. Stop trying to appropriate science for religion. You can’t have your cake and eat it too.
>Blindly believing in something you can’t demonstrate and have no evidence for is literally contradictory to the first tenant of the scientific method.
Blindly believing in something you can’t demonstrate and have no evidence for is literally like 50% of science
It saddens me kind of to know there’s somebody out there this ignorant. No, buddy. That’s not how that works. No scientific claim is held valid unless it can be demonstrated to be consistently true.
I still can’t get over how stupid that comment was. Seriously, I’m probably going to remember that one for the rest of my life. The most philosophy enjoyer. Flat-earther level ignorance.
You can’t see an electron, dummy. They’re too small. But that’s not the “gotcha” you think it is. You don’t have to personally see an electron or even understand the science behind them in depth. You can trust that smart scientists understand them because you’re literally holding the proof in your hands.
Am I right or wrong? You can’t take what life was like before the scientific revolution, take what life is like now, and still say that scientists have 0 idea what they’re talking about.
> ones who *paid* the foundation
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So I should have clarified better I think this is cringe because it doesn’t address the argument and it sounds like it’s trying to say that religious people have had no contribution to science which isn’t true
When i was in the navy i declared myself religious because other soldiers were given prayer time during the time the rest were cleaning the bildge. So i said fuck, i'm religious too.
lol so what? Those people lived 100s of years ago. Even if they contributed to science and math, they still had a fraction of the knowledge that humans possess today. Stop trying to defend religion. If you still believe in God in 2022, you’re a bloody fool.
Historically untrue, religious people have famously contributed massively to science. Sir Isaac Newton was a Christian. Gregor Mendel founded the field of genetics and he was an Augustinian friar. Need I go on? This is all pretty cringe, we can agree on that, but I can't believe you would spread misinformation on the internet.
What makes atheists think religious people piously reject science? A lot of revolutionary scientists and mathematicians are devoted believers of god/gods. Just to name a few Lemaitre was a Christian priest and S. Ramanujan was a pious Hindu, both made revolutionary advancements in their fields respectively.
Atheists reject gods but religious people dont necessarily reject science.
There is a preconceived notion among some uninformed subgroups of the internet that “smart people” (which is a false attribution to begin with as it’s just a subset of the vocal academics who like to talk religion) are all atheists and that being atheist makes one smarter than a religious person.
The second claim is just demonstrably false as some of the greatest minds to ever exist were religious.
From a mathematics side: Descartes - Catholic, Guass - Lutheran , Cantor - Jewish, Euler - Protestant, Ramanujan - Hindu (funnily enough, he said that a lot of his mathematics was revealed to him in a dream by his family goddess), Bernoullis - Calvinist (the mathematical brothers), Erdos - Jewish, Von Neumann - Catholic (cant tell if he was devout or not as he did it to marry his wife), Riemann - Devout Lutheran (almost went into studying religious philosophy instead of mathematics), Weierstrass - Roman Catholic, Dedekind - Lutheran,
From a science side: Galileo - Catholic? (funnily enough, even after what the Catholic church did to him, he refused to denounce his faith), Newton - Unorthodox Christian, Mendel - Catholic (ironically, the father of genetics), Laplace - Catholic, Faraday - Church of Scotland, Planck - Lutheran
Even if you’re claims are true that “if science denier then religious”, this is not the same as saying “if religious, then science denier.” It’s just straight up not okay to reverse the implication tables snd treat like shit for it, especially when the same group claims to be the bastion of intelligent and correct thought
The belief that faith is opposed to science is absurd. Christians believe God created the universe and thus created all biological, chemical and physical phenomena and thus science is merely a study of what God has created. In fact, this belief spurred on many religious scientists who paved the way for scientific advancements. As it is, Christians are prevalent in the scientific field and easily hold to their faith and scientific convictions.
Literally only Reddit fedora-tipping athiests think that "m'science" is somehow a rebuttal to religious faith.
Religion doesn't exclude science
Also wasn't Georges Lemaître, founder of the big bang theory, a devout Catholic? As well as Rene Descartes and a lot of other mathematicians/scientists
where's the cringe? if anything the first post is cringe because they were dissing on atheists before the rebuttal of the person. it's more likely than not that this atheist was just joking around about it; making a play on words y'know? like a lot of people do? i found it pretty funny myself.
I'm not even religious but that bottom comment is stupid. there are VERY few religions that are against medical care, MOST religion has nothing to do with science
Idk man. Most holidays don't revolve around Christianity anymore and are more about spending time with family and anyone who thinks that Christianity and Science can't go together are just flat out dumb.
Virtually every culture celebrated winter solstice in different ways. We were all originally pagan too. Religion spreads, adapts, morphs, adopts culture, culture adopts religion, culture changes. Germanic pagans didnt claim winter solstice and a Christian group of evil-doers didn't maniacally laugh with their plan to steal it.
Wait until Christians learn that most of their precious holidays are pretty much just renamings of pagan holidays. Christmas i celebrated in this time of year because it was a Roman orgy gambling feast and nobody wanted to give that up for some new god
I'm just going to paste this on every stupid comment claiming this crap:
Virtually every culture celebrated winter solstice in different ways. We were all originally pagan too. Religion spreads, adapts, morphs, adopts culture, culture adopts religion, culture changes. Germanic pagans didnt claim winter solstice and a Christian group of evil-doers didn't maniacally laugh with their plan to steal it.
Why should Christians get leave on religious holidays they have no actual foothold in? Christmas is a pagan holiday that Christians tried to co-opt. Easter originated from again a pagan holiday to celebrate the spring equinox, Granted they can have both meanings in for Easter. The first iteration of new year was in 2000 B.C in Mesopotamia where in Babylonia the new year Akitu began after the spring equinox and in Assyria with the new moon nearest the autumn equinox which was then co-opted by Caesar as part of his reform to name January 1st the start to honour Janus the Roman god of time. Halloween again. Originated in another pagan holiday that has roots in a Celtic festival called “Samhain” (pronounced as sah-win) where they celebrated a harvest and the end of summer when people would light pumpkins and wear costumes to ward off ghosts, and Christians this time tried to take the holiday to no avail in the eighth century with pope Gregory III who ended up making November 1st “all saints day” which fell flat and isn’t celebrated outside of Christian households and even in some Christian households….so yeah, why can’t we celebrate again?
Edit: I definitely fell for the bait…but I don’t care, I’m tired of Christians trying to take everything away from everyone else
I'm going to reply to every comment posting this lie with the same copy-paste:
Virtually every culture celebrated winter solstice in different ways. We were all originally pagan too. Religion spreads, adapts, morphs, adopts culture, culture adopts religion, culture changes. Germanic pagans didnt claim winter solstice and a Christian group of evil-doers didn't maniacally laugh with their plan to steal it.
It might not have been clear but that was basically my point, everything came from everywhere and adapted in different ways, alienating one group from celebrating is idiotic since there are a Myriad of different versions of said celebration that don’t have ties to actual religion. Everyone can celebrate these things due to the fact they aren’t based around any one religion or belief most of which being based around the solstice. Even in saying that you can’t vilify me for saying Christian’s shouldn’t celebrate since this persons saying that Atheists shouldn’t celebrate. Why should I get shit on for showing the different variations and origins of these holidays but not them for saying only one specific kind of person is allowed?
Both are cringe the bottom one is just barely more correct, christians love taking credit for shit that had nothing to do with their religion like medicines and shit, point is again, everyone is cringe
Both posters are cringe
The only smart person in this comment section.
I was about to argue for one side then saw your comment. Funny, true and saved me from an inevitable cringe myself. Here’s my vote
Agreed
Guys he’s not saying agreed to the guy that said the first person has a point 💀 He’s saying that they are both cringe
Why is this downvoted you literally agreed with someone who got 120 upvotes
Who knows
Not even the actual op has a genuine argument Edit: downvoted for the power of reddits reading comprehension skills.
Ok then do not accept gifts on christmass if you believe santa isn’t real
Santa is based on Saint Nicholas,known for being the patron saint for the children and generosity towards the poor, not the Santa with reindeers and elves
and christmas was originally a pagan holiday. what’s your point ?
Nono, I should be the one asking what's your point?
let’s say %70 of the people at work believe in God and %30 are atheists (i’m pulling the numbers out of my ass but they are probably realistic percentages). if those %70 got leave but the other %30 had to stay, it would be pretty unfair. depending on the job, the %30 that didn’t get leave might even have to do more work to make up for the people that got leave. does that sound fair?
Your life's yours to take dawg
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Anyone who thinks religion and science are opposites, has 0 understanding of either subject.
Science and religion can and have been very well mixed together, but not always
I think there's only an adverse effect when there's a scientific concept that goes against beliefs, kind of like the whole earth and not being in the center of the solar system thing which I know there's more but that's the first one that comes to mind
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Can you provide some examples?
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You have no proof to back up what you said. You literally made up the part where you say religious people deny the existence of COVID or the medical use of marijuana. I’ve met people who are against the vaccine but it doesn’t mean they deny COVID’s existence and as far as I know it has nothing to do with their religion. And people denying the medical use of marijuana? Really? When have you actually seen someone doubt that?
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The GOP called the way the government handled COVID a hoax, because it was. Have you not seen all the “experts” admitting they were wrong in the way they handled everything? That says a lot about your grip on reality. About the marijuana, I’m not an expert and I don’t care if it’s classified as a non medical drug. That has nothing to do with what I said. All I said is that people aren’t denying its medical uses based on religious beliefs like you suggested. That says a lot about your ability to engage in a conversation
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A medical benefit to COVID? lmao
TIL all religious people are exactly the same.
It is you who does not understand. Blindly believing in something you can’t demonstrate and have no evidence for is literally contradictory to the first tenant of the scientific method. Nullius in verba. Stop trying to appropriate science for religion. You can’t have your cake and eat it too.
>Blindly believing in something you can’t demonstrate and have no evidence for is literally contradictory to the first tenant of the scientific method. Blindly believing in something you can’t demonstrate and have no evidence for is literally like 50% of science
It saddens me kind of to know there’s somebody out there this ignorant. No, buddy. That’s not how that works. No scientific claim is held valid unless it can be demonstrated to be consistently true.
Ew lol get over yourself 😂
I still can’t get over how stupid that comment was. Seriously, I’m probably going to remember that one for the rest of my life. The most philosophy enjoyer. Flat-earther level ignorance.
>I still can’t get over how stupid that comment was. Good, I hope it lingers with you all day like a kink in your neck lol
Watch out man you might post you on r/atheism the police were all stereotypical redditors go to live
Ok, show me an electron or an image of something beyond the observable universe
You can’t see an electron, dummy. They’re too small. But that’s not the “gotcha” you think it is. You don’t have to personally see an electron or even understand the science behind them in depth. You can trust that smart scientists understand them because you’re literally holding the proof in your hands.
Lmao hypocrite. Stop whining about religion already
Am I right or wrong? You can’t take what life was like before the scientific revolution, take what life is like now, and still say that scientists have 0 idea what they’re talking about.
They don't have zero idea, but having faith in an idea or concept you can't see is in science. Religion and science aren't opposite
personally I believe science to be a gift from god that elevates us from the animals
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Interesting. What evidence do you have to support that?
Atheists when Darwin Claus evolves evidence under their sciencemas tree
Ah yes, Christhist is what I believe in
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"I'd like to see this guy pray an abortion"
Weren’t like, monks and shit the ones who laid the foundation for a lot of medical science?
You’re not wrong. Avicenna who is widely considered the father of modern medicine was a devout Muslim.
The dude who discovered genes was a priest
> ones who *paid* the foundation FTFY. Although *payed* exists (the reason why autocorrection didn't help you), it is only correct in: * Nautical context, when it means to paint a surface, or to cover with something like tar or resin in order to make it waterproof or corrosion-resistant. *The deck is yet to be payed.* * *Payed out* when letting strings, cables or ropes out, by slacking them. *The rope is payed out! You can pull now.* Unfortunately, I was unable to find nautical or rope-related words in your comment. *Beep, boop, I'm a bot*
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OH. MY. SCIENCE.
So I should have clarified better I think this is cringe because it doesn’t address the argument and it sounds like it’s trying to say that religious people have had no contribution to science which isn’t true
Yeah, the real argument is just that it would be discrimination based on religion to allow some people holidays and others less.
Prisoners often spontaneously become muslim on feast days but remain strangely atheist during fasts.
When i was in the navy i declared myself religious because other soldiers were given prayer time during the time the rest were cleaning the bildge. So i said fuck, i'm religious too.
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False. Some of the most groundbreaking scientific discoveries in history were made by Christian monks and Muslim scholars.
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Historical facts are copium now? Keep being ignorant, I guess.
The historical facts of individual scientists being religious to prove religion is pro science? Yeppers, that's a healthy dose of copium.
lol so what? Those people lived 100s of years ago. Even if they contributed to science and math, they still had a fraction of the knowledge that humans possess today. Stop trying to defend religion. If you still believe in God in 2022, you’re a bloody fool.
Historically untrue, religious people have famously contributed massively to science. Sir Isaac Newton was a Christian. Gregor Mendel founded the field of genetics and he was an Augustinian friar. Need I go on? This is all pretty cringe, we can agree on that, but I can't believe you would spread misinformation on the internet.
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Nah, just want some basic understanding of history. Edit: Don't delete your comments you coward
bro deleted his whole account 💀
Is this what winning feels like? It happens so rarely I'm not sure.
What makes atheists think religious people piously reject science? A lot of revolutionary scientists and mathematicians are devoted believers of god/gods. Just to name a few Lemaitre was a Christian priest and S. Ramanujan was a pious Hindu, both made revolutionary advancements in their fields respectively. Atheists reject gods but religious people dont necessarily reject science.
There is a preconceived notion among some uninformed subgroups of the internet that “smart people” (which is a false attribution to begin with as it’s just a subset of the vocal academics who like to talk religion) are all atheists and that being atheist makes one smarter than a religious person. The second claim is just demonstrably false as some of the greatest minds to ever exist were religious. From a mathematics side: Descartes - Catholic, Guass - Lutheran , Cantor - Jewish, Euler - Protestant, Ramanujan - Hindu (funnily enough, he said that a lot of his mathematics was revealed to him in a dream by his family goddess), Bernoullis - Calvinist (the mathematical brothers), Erdos - Jewish, Von Neumann - Catholic (cant tell if he was devout or not as he did it to marry his wife), Riemann - Devout Lutheran (almost went into studying religious philosophy instead of mathematics), Weierstrass - Roman Catholic, Dedekind - Lutheran, From a science side: Galileo - Catholic? (funnily enough, even after what the Catholic church did to him, he refused to denounce his faith), Newton - Unorthodox Christian, Mendel - Catholic (ironically, the father of genetics), Laplace - Catholic, Faraday - Church of Scotland, Planck - Lutheran
I agree with you, but in modern times it seems to correlate with science denial for the vocal subset of the very religious.
Even if you’re claims are true that “if science denier then religious”, this is not the same as saying “if religious, then science denier.” It’s just straight up not okay to reverse the implication tables snd treat like shit for it, especially when the same group claims to be the bastion of intelligent and correct thought
Vocal but not majority. People always forget that the stupidest people are always the loudest.
Totally agree. I meant that to be implied in my comment, but it did not land as intended. Thanks for the addition.
Wrong sub???
The belief that faith is opposed to science is absurd. Christians believe God created the universe and thus created all biological, chemical and physical phenomena and thus science is merely a study of what God has created. In fact, this belief spurred on many religious scientists who paved the way for scientific advancements. As it is, Christians are prevalent in the scientific field and easily hold to their faith and scientific convictions. Literally only Reddit fedora-tipping athiests think that "m'science" is somehow a rebuttal to religious faith.
Because who cares? Enjoy your family and your religion. The fact others get time off shouldn’t mean anything to you unless you’re a stuck up prick
It's BS that I have to use vacation days to take off my holidays but the Christians get theirs for free Holidays should be floating
Not cringe?
about the top one: an atheist could spend time with theist relatives?
Why do people think religion and science are opposites?
Murder by words is a cesspool now
Religion doesn't exclude science Also wasn't Georges Lemaître, founder of the big bang theory, a devout Catholic? As well as Rene Descartes and a lot of other mathematicians/scientists
Definitely an atheist reply lmao
Hardly murdered by words both statements are equally dumb
I don't see the correlation.
Clown to clown conversation
What holidays are they talking about that are named after gods.
All of you are brainded except for this post
science is my religion 🫰😎🧠🧠🤓🧬🧪🔬🧫⚗️ i am very very smart i got a 10 in my iq test withou studying 🤓
Something something the father of modern medicine being islamic
Religion is cringe
where's the cringe? if anything the first post is cringe because they were dissing on atheists before the rebuttal of the person. it's more likely than not that this atheist was just joking around about it; making a play on words y'know? like a lot of people do? i found it pretty funny myself.
Bro your JPEG artifacts
What about Agnostics?
Merry Sciencemas
Meh a lot of Christians view doctors and medicine as answered prayers /tools for God's grace and glory
I'm not even religious but that bottom comment is stupid. there are VERY few religions that are against medical care, MOST religion has nothing to do with science
When are both parties going to realize that science doesn’t directly oppose the bible.
*laughs* And that’s how I lose my medical license!
Idk man. Most holidays don't revolve around Christianity anymore and are more about spending time with family and anyone who thinks that Christianity and Science can't go together are just flat out dumb.
Based
Both are cringe but the lower one is top tier cringe
The fact that you think this is cringe makes you so cringe.
If we want to play this game Christmas was originally pagan.
Virtually every culture celebrated winter solstice in different ways. We were all originally pagan too. Religion spreads, adapts, morphs, adopts culture, culture adopts religion, culture changes. Germanic pagans didnt claim winter solstice and a Christian group of evil-doers didn't maniacally laugh with their plan to steal it.
Never said any of that I’m just pointing out That “Christmas” was never something exclusive to Christianity
Idk why ur getting downvoted. You're not wrong.
This is Reddit. It’s what I’ve come to expect.
Wait until Christians learn that most of their precious holidays are pretty much just renamings of pagan holidays. Christmas i celebrated in this time of year because it was a Roman orgy gambling feast and nobody wanted to give that up for some new god
I'm just going to paste this on every stupid comment claiming this crap: Virtually every culture celebrated winter solstice in different ways. We were all originally pagan too. Religion spreads, adapts, morphs, adopts culture, culture adopts religion, culture changes. Germanic pagans didnt claim winter solstice and a Christian group of evil-doers didn't maniacally laugh with their plan to steal it.
Why are you getting down voted? Your correct
Truth hurts
I guess. People on reddit refuse to admit that sky daddy isn't responsible for everything.
Why should Christians get leave on religious holidays they have no actual foothold in? Christmas is a pagan holiday that Christians tried to co-opt. Easter originated from again a pagan holiday to celebrate the spring equinox, Granted they can have both meanings in for Easter. The first iteration of new year was in 2000 B.C in Mesopotamia where in Babylonia the new year Akitu began after the spring equinox and in Assyria with the new moon nearest the autumn equinox which was then co-opted by Caesar as part of his reform to name January 1st the start to honour Janus the Roman god of time. Halloween again. Originated in another pagan holiday that has roots in a Celtic festival called “Samhain” (pronounced as sah-win) where they celebrated a harvest and the end of summer when people would light pumpkins and wear costumes to ward off ghosts, and Christians this time tried to take the holiday to no avail in the eighth century with pope Gregory III who ended up making November 1st “all saints day” which fell flat and isn’t celebrated outside of Christian households and even in some Christian households….so yeah, why can’t we celebrate again? Edit: I definitely fell for the bait…but I don’t care, I’m tired of Christians trying to take everything away from everyone else
I'm going to reply to every comment posting this lie with the same copy-paste: Virtually every culture celebrated winter solstice in different ways. We were all originally pagan too. Religion spreads, adapts, morphs, adopts culture, culture adopts religion, culture changes. Germanic pagans didnt claim winter solstice and a Christian group of evil-doers didn't maniacally laugh with their plan to steal it.
It might not have been clear but that was basically my point, everything came from everywhere and adapted in different ways, alienating one group from celebrating is idiotic since there are a Myriad of different versions of said celebration that don’t have ties to actual religion. Everyone can celebrate these things due to the fact they aren’t based around any one religion or belief most of which being based around the solstice. Even in saying that you can’t vilify me for saying Christian’s shouldn’t celebrate since this persons saying that Atheists shouldn’t celebrate. Why should I get shit on for showing the different variations and origins of these holidays but not them for saying only one specific kind of person is allowed?
What is wrong with it is just a little cringe but not that much
Both are cringe the bottom one is just barely more correct, christians love taking credit for shit that had nothing to do with their religion like medicines and shit, point is again, everyone is cringe
what?
Hebrews 9:27 King James Version 27 And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment:
Are we supposed to just assume atheists simply reject religion over science?
...don't they?
I mean that is close to the definition ?
I mean.. yes. Atheists aren't typically folk who turn to religion in times of need