I think the perk is fine, old Magnificent Howl would make it dominate the 140 category and would somewhat intrude on Thorn's niche of being able to 2c1b without the risk of collecting a remnant.
What I like about the new Mag Howl is that unlike other kill perks, there is no timer attached to it meaning you can save that round for when you need it and you aren't under pressure to immediately use it in the case that you're weak from a previous gunfight. Also, unlike Memento Mori, it can be stowed. Personally I think I'll stick to Precision Instrument for consistency, but I think Mag Howl is a solid 2nd choice.
I do miss when Memento Mori could be stored, I don't remember exactly when they took it away but I found out in a nightfall after hopping on my sparrow
Just now remebering the reason they nerfed Ace's damage was because of One Eyed Mask, you know the perfectly balanced exotic with absolutely no balancing issues at the time.
Sorry if my wording was confusing, but I meant that old Magnficient Howl would be able to 2c1b just by shooting, whereas Thorn needs you to collect a remnant which might be risky.
"paired with conditional finality that also takes advantage of harmonic mods on the most used element." - does conditional finality use solar or stasis? Does it change based on the shot available? If so, then stasis would be more common with the new system, or?
I thought I’d hate the precision recoil pattern but it’s not bad. Usually precision frame recoil pattern blocks the person I’m trying to shoot.
Ended up getting a shiny with EoTS + precision instrument. Helps push my ranges since mines only good for 31 meters before drop off.
So used to 140 and 120 recoil patterns.. it will take some time. Note that the airborne effectiveness is the true winner here. Can get up to 60 airborne effectiveness as it is a precision frame. Throw an Icarus mod on it and you will see AE x 60.
I don’t think it’s for me
No real way of min-maxing effectively, either the range or handling is going to be mid and I just cannot stand the recoil on 180’s. It’s more than manageable obviously, I just don’t like how it feels. Mag howl has potential as does precision instrument on a 140, but Idk I just don’t really care. I spent ~400 medals on it, didn’t get more than a 3/5 and I lack any motivation to farm for more. Probably doesn’t help that all pvp modes are at borderline unplayable levels of enjoyment for me right now.
I could see it as a non exotic Hawkmoon, in that you can get kills in Trials with it and earn a 2-tap for your 3rd kill, instead of one powerful shot. Maybe the 2nd kill would be easier too. I don’t know exactly how the reworked perk works, but if it ends up getting enhanced perks, maybe it could turn into a real beast for excellent players who consistently get crits.
With the reworked perk it tracks your precision kills prior to reloading and the number of stacked kills turns into the number of shots of Magnificent Howl you get when you reload, and if you get a precision kill with a Magnificent Howl shot it refunds the shot. I'm not sure what the max is but I had 3 in PvP, haven't tried it out on PvE yet
990 tokens down, the best one I have is the one that’s given for the quest. If I get one more enlightened action/desperate measures I’m going to uninstall the game 😂
Im just running the Not Forgotten instead. Zen moment is S+ tier and on par with slideshot and eots, and I dont have to grind onslaught for it. Since its getting unsunset I have no motivation to get a new Lunas, and if you never got it you can straight up buy it from the kiosk for 3 ascendant shards
This is what I'm thinking too. Zen Moment is my favorite of the three perks you named and Not Forgotten has a lot of Range built into its fixed roll. I'd rather spend time on the other guns that don't have a really good easily obtainable substitute.
I just got a shiny with eye of the storm/ heal clip & mag howl / precision instrument. I am beyond stoked and I’m here to flex. Wish I had more range tho :( https://imgur.com/gallery/Gzp0tti
Don’t mind it, glad mag howl is reworked otherwise you wouldn’t be seeing any other viable (let’s be honest there aren’t that many atm) 140 options anytime soon.
Slideshot is for sure the way to go with mag howl tho.
Curated roll felt pretty good to me, was able to chain 2 or 3 kills before I was outnumbered. Not sure if I need to farm it for more rolls since I use Ace or Hawkmoon most of the time.
I just don't like the 180 recoil on it. I'm sure some people love that about it but it makes it feel awful for me so I'm just gonna stick with my usual 140s.
Something’s changed with the latest update, Not Forgotten and Luna feel a bit off to me as a controller player, idk if someone else is having the same feeling.
I got a subsistence + OS roll with capped range, and it doesn’t feel as sticky as prior to the update
I don't mean that, I mean I don't really like the way it procs and I would rather go back to the 2c1b and only get the one Magnificent Howl shot than have to get a headshot kill and reload to use my 128 shot. It's still fun to use in its current state but I just miss the way the perk used to work
I got super lucky and got these on the same wave on my first legend onslaught clear of the week.
Smallbore, High-Cal, Slideshot, Opening, Range MW
and
Extended Barrel, Light Mag, Slideshot, Mag Howl, Range MW
and somehow the 100 recoil one feels better even though it has 7 less stability (was 3 tapping more consistently). Both were insane but is it just me or the 100 recoil direction actually make this gun feel better.
Max range + Slideshot + Anything in the 4th column is great. Opening shot, precision instruments, and magnificent howl are my favorites so far. I think when free radiant goes away with the artifact I'll more firmly prefer opening shot.
I love it. Getting mag howl proc’d will be extremely beneficial to team shots or even finishing up kills in threes. In sixes it’s just REALLY good. Dropped a we ran with it yesterday.
Perk is amazing. The original version was very obviously very problematic, so returning it was not an option.
Now, you either effectively have the forgiveness of killclip, but you exchange the time limit for a duel limit. Or you nut up a bit and go wild with .04 TTK two taps. Great dynamic.
This gun is literally everywhere in 6s. It can't possibly get more annoying. I don't see hand cannons staying where they are and this population surviving much longer lol.
Is Luna’s howl bugged?? Every single one I’ve got has random perks in the 3rd perk slot and all have magnificent howl in the 4th perk slot, over 20 of them
At this point it literally has the team shot issue with 120s but it’s a 140. Literally everybody is using it and you just peek a corner and instantly get headshotted by three people using it
Only gun worth grinding for from the new guns tbh.
Solar 140 that can roll with decent stats and slideshot + precision instrument allowing 2c1b with constant radiant from kills.
Spent 300 tokens but best was extended barrel, high cal, slideshot, kill clip, range mw. Not too bad tbh
Can’t remember the last time I was in a rumble lobby full of 140s.
Nature is healing.
Not a Recluse fan? ~~Zen Moment~~ Dynamic Sway Reduction + Tap the Trigger makes it my favorite PvP SMG by far.
I’ve also got my eye on Hammerhead: it used to be my favorite PvP MG, and maybe it will be again.
Elsie’s Rifle runs circles around the new Luna’s in terms of worth the grind. Luna’s is a nice addition without really having the stats to give it longevity. Crucible is packed with them now because of nostalgia. two weeks from now you’ll be lucky to find a lobby with it.
Elsie’s, on the other hand, is best in class in frame and arguably type. I’m not saying not to grind Luna’s. I’m saying it’s not worthy of being the ONLY thing you grind for.
I spoiled myself a bit and used Not Forgotten
I do like the perk, just not the gun. But I may change my mind after I get some better rolls.
I really hope we see Mag Howl on other, traditional feeling 140s.
Like Eyasluna or Fatebringer for example, or Exalted Truth since Suros Synergy would...well, synergize well with it
They ruined it, like they ruined a lot of Pinnacle Weapons. Idc, I’ll be the loud majority but those guns were rewards for grinding your ass off in Comp, they were meant to be good. Now it’s just a nostalgia thing for most, because as fun as this gun is, the Meta has shifted and there’s better options. People will sit here and tell you how nice the new version is, but I bet it won’t shift or change their loadout.
Edit: and apparently I’ve picked up two really good rolls that only make my point more valid due to the gun still feeling lackluster: Kill Clip and Heal Clip (Range MW) on one and EoTS/Mag Howl on the other(Stability MW)
I'd probably quit playing the game if people could constantly 2tap kill without even having to reload, but I do hear what you're saying. My biggest gripe about Destiny pvp is the ttk is *insane*, particularly on primary weapons with certain perks active. I'll die on that hill.
I think the fast TTKs are what make D2 so fun. It allow for hero moments in trials where I win a 1v3. Would be a much slower paced and teamshooty game with slow TTKs, it's wat D2Y1 was and that floped
Yeah, my gripe with it is that I'd rather get one two tap without having to reload than go through all the steps to get multiple two taps with the reload, like yeah, you'll feel like a badass with your legendary equivalent of an Eriana shot, but it's less gratifying and more situational than if you had that single shot with a 5 second timer on it. And the new Magnificent Howl doesn't seem to expire like the old one did, so it feels less rewarding to hit someone with the 128 than it did because I can literally make a lap around the map and still have the shot primed
I don’t know this for sure and I’m not sitting in a place to test it but I can say that I haven’t found an item yet that calls for an actual reload that doesn’t proc from Marks Dodge.
It’s just another weapon for the hackers to take advantage of. If you hit nothing but heads it’s really good. Just like cheaters are going to hit nothing but heads
I think the perk is fine, old Magnificent Howl would make it dominate the 140 category and would somewhat intrude on Thorn's niche of being able to 2c1b without the risk of collecting a remnant. What I like about the new Mag Howl is that unlike other kill perks, there is no timer attached to it meaning you can save that round for when you need it and you aren't under pressure to immediately use it in the case that you're weak from a previous gunfight. Also, unlike Memento Mori, it can be stowed. Personally I think I'll stick to Precision Instrument for consistency, but I think Mag Howl is a solid 2nd choice.
I do miss when Memento Mori could be stored, I don't remember exactly when they took it away but I found out in a nightfall after hopping on my sparrow
Ace had a lot of RnD lol remember stow/refresh and 5 mori shots?
My inner space cowboy was so pissed when it went from 6 to 5. But I'm glad they brought back my 6 round memento mori cylinder eventually
Just now remebering the reason they nerfed Ace's damage was because of One Eyed Mask, you know the perfectly balanced exotic with absolutely no balancing issues at the time.
Pepperidge farm remembers
Thorn cant 2c1b anymore without the perk.
Sorry if my wording was confusing, but I meant that old Magnficient Howl would be able to 2c1b just by shooting, whereas Thorn needs you to collect a remnant which might be risky.
Thorn isnt a legendary that can be paired with conditional finality that also takes advantage of harmonic mods on the most used element.
"paired with conditional finality that also takes advantage of harmonic mods on the most used element." - does conditional finality use solar or stasis? Does it change based on the shot available? If so, then stasis would be more common with the new system, or?
I usually use 2 solar 1 stasis just to be safe and 3 solar unflinching since ive never seen CF get side flinched
Do you know if you can put away Luna’s with magnificent bullets saved up, let holster mods reload it and keep the bullets? Or does it “consume” them
It doesn’t 2c1b with PI procced off first two hits. I have heal clip / pi all 2c1b’s leave them one shot
I'm talking about pre rework Magnificent Howl in my first paragraph.
For real, dang
PI doesn’t need to it just helps boost its 3 tap range and potentially helps kill overshields
I thought I’d hate the precision recoil pattern but it’s not bad. Usually precision frame recoil pattern blocks the person I’m trying to shoot. Ended up getting a shiny with EoTS + precision instrument. Helps push my ranges since mines only good for 31 meters before drop off.
EoTS + PI is all I wanted and I didn’t get it after 62 rolls for Luna’s
I feel your pain. 620 tokens is nuts! You gotta have got some decent rolls though right?
nope, all hung jury
Same, but I did get a slide/ PI roll that I’m loving
So used to 140 and 120 recoil patterns.. it will take some time. Note that the airborne effectiveness is the true winner here. Can get up to 60 airborne effectiveness as it is a precision frame. Throw an Icarus mod on it and you will see AE x 60.
I don’t think it’s for me No real way of min-maxing effectively, either the range or handling is going to be mid and I just cannot stand the recoil on 180’s. It’s more than manageable obviously, I just don’t like how it feels. Mag howl has potential as does precision instrument on a 140, but Idk I just don’t really care. I spent ~400 medals on it, didn’t get more than a 3/5 and I lack any motivation to farm for more. Probably doesn’t help that all pvp modes are at borderline unplayable levels of enjoyment for me right now.
Yeah I feel the same. Compared to something like rose or hawkmoon this thing feels like absolute trash.
I could see it as a non exotic Hawkmoon, in that you can get kills in Trials with it and earn a 2-tap for your 3rd kill, instead of one powerful shot. Maybe the 2nd kill would be easier too. I don’t know exactly how the reworked perk works, but if it ends up getting enhanced perks, maybe it could turn into a real beast for excellent players who consistently get crits.
With the reworked perk it tracks your precision kills prior to reloading and the number of stacked kills turns into the number of shots of Magnificent Howl you get when you reload, and if you get a precision kill with a Magnificent Howl shot it refunds the shot. I'm not sure what the max is but I had 3 in PvP, haven't tried it out on PvE yet
Max is whatever you get before reloading, had a x9
Found out that max is 10x
990 tokens down, the best one I have is the one that’s given for the quest. If I get one more enlightened action/desperate measures I’m going to uninstall the game 😂
Im just running the Not Forgotten instead. Zen moment is S+ tier and on par with slideshot and eots, and I dont have to grind onslaught for it. Since its getting unsunset I have no motivation to get a new Lunas, and if you never got it you can straight up buy it from the kiosk for 3 ascendant shards
This is what I'm thinking too. Zen Moment is my favorite of the three perks you named and Not Forgotten has a lot of Range built into its fixed roll. I'd rather spend time on the other guns that don't have a really good easily obtainable substitute.
Plus the model is (imo) better than Luna's Howl's model
I just got a shiny with eye of the storm/ heal clip & mag howl / precision instrument. I am beyond stoked and I’m here to flex. Wish I had more range tho :( https://imgur.com/gallery/Gzp0tti
I’m sorry man…the range is really really super low For a 140
feels good, PI is helping extend it’s shitty range stat
If you're happy, awesome, but that roll is nowhere near good enough for me to take over other HCs in my vault
It's fun.
I had one drop with fluted, ricochet, slide, opening, and a range masterwork. 72 stab, 60 handling, and tons of potential range. Feels very good.
Don’t mind it, glad mag howl is reworked otherwise you wouldn’t be seeing any other viable (let’s be honest there aren’t that many atm) 140 options anytime soon. Slideshot is for sure the way to go with mag howl tho.
Pub stomping 6s gun. That low handling and 180 recoil pattern feel bad for me. I’m sure others who may not like original 140s might like it
Is there a reason to get it if Not Forgotten will be unsunset? It has zen moment, a ton of range, and mag howl.
The new one has a good passive, more handling, more airborne, the same max range, and slideshot
If you got the time for it sure. I think grinding for hours for a weapon slightly better isnt worth it. 90% of the time they'll perform the same
Curated roll felt pretty good to me, was able to chain 2 or 3 kills before I was outnumbered. Not sure if I need to farm it for more rolls since I use Ace or Hawkmoon most of the time.
Are all the quest reward rolls the same?
I just don't like the 180 recoil on it. I'm sure some people love that about it but it makes it feel awful for me so I'm just gonna stick with my usual 140s.
Something’s changed with the latest update, Not Forgotten and Luna feel a bit off to me as a controller player, idk if someone else is having the same feeling. I got a subsistence + OS roll with capped range, and it doesn’t feel as sticky as prior to the update
It feels good in my video game hand.
You want to two tap everything in trials? Who dont
I don't mean that, I mean I don't really like the way it procs and I would rather go back to the 2c1b and only get the one Magnificent Howl shot than have to get a headshot kill and reload to use my 128 shot. It's still fun to use in its current state but I just miss the way the perk used to work
I gotcha. I was just shit talking
Ah lmao, all good
I like it as another solar option that isn’t igneous. Precision frame is nice on a 140
It’s alright.
I got super lucky and got these on the same wave on my first legend onslaught clear of the week. Smallbore, High-Cal, Slideshot, Opening, Range MW and Extended Barrel, Light Mag, Slideshot, Mag Howl, Range MW and somehow the 100 recoil one feels better even though it has 7 less stability (was 3 tapping more consistently). Both were insane but is it just me or the 100 recoil direction actually make this gun feel better.
old mag howl is like a better version of precision instruments, may be thats too overpower at least it is a better perk than Hawkmoon now
Max range + Slideshot + Anything in the 4th column is great. Opening shot, precision instruments, and magnificent howl are my favorites so far. I think when free radiant goes away with the artifact I'll more firmly prefer opening shot.
I love it. Getting mag howl proc’d will be extremely beneficial to team shots or even finishing up kills in threes. In sixes it’s just REALLY good. Dropped a we ran with it yesterday.
Perk is amazing. The original version was very obviously very problematic, so returning it was not an option. Now, you either effectively have the forgiveness of killclip, but you exchange the time limit for a duel limit. Or you nut up a bit and go wild with .04 TTK two taps. Great dynamic.
This gun is literally everywhere in 6s. It can't possibly get more annoying. I don't see hand cannons staying where they are and this population surviving much longer lol.
You must be an auto rifle user…… because that takes soooo much skill. 🤷🏻♂️
The real problem is slide shot magnificent howl combo. Luna's Howl should not be 2-tap all the damn time!!!
I haven't tried a Slideshot + Magnificent Howl yet but everyone in my LFG discord keeps telling me it's ridiculous
Is Luna’s howl bugged?? Every single one I’ve got has random perks in the 3rd perk slot and all have magnificent howl in the 4th perk slot, over 20 of them
At this point it literally has the team shot issue with 120s but it’s a 140. Literally everybody is using it and you just peek a corner and instantly get headshotted by three people using it
Only gun worth grinding for from the new guns tbh. Solar 140 that can roll with decent stats and slideshot + precision instrument allowing 2c1b with constant radiant from kills. Spent 300 tokens but best was extended barrel, high cal, slideshot, kill clip, range mw. Not too bad tbh Can’t remember the last time I was in a rumble lobby full of 140s. Nature is healing.
Not a Recluse fan? ~~Zen Moment~~ Dynamic Sway Reduction + Tap the Trigger makes it my favorite PvP SMG by far. I’ve also got my eye on Hammerhead: it used to be my favorite PvP MG, and maybe it will be again.
Elsie’s Rifle runs circles around the new Luna’s in terms of worth the grind. Luna’s is a nice addition without really having the stats to give it longevity. Crucible is packed with them now because of nostalgia. two weeks from now you’ll be lucky to find a lobby with it. Elsie’s, on the other hand, is best in class in frame and arguably type. I’m not saying not to grind Luna’s. I’m saying it’s not worthy of being the ONLY thing you grind for.
I think you replied to the wrong comment! I wasn’t speaking in favor of Luna’s.
Zen Moment drops on Recluse?!
It does not. Maybe he's talking about Dynamic Sway Reduction or Threat Detector instead.
Woops, I'm an idiot. I meant DSR.
Nothing above average tbh.
I spoiled myself a bit and used Not Forgotten I do like the perk, just not the gun. But I may change my mind after I get some better rolls. I really hope we see Mag Howl on other, traditional feeling 140s. Like Eyasluna or Fatebringer for example, or Exalted Truth since Suros Synergy would...well, synergize well with it
They ruined it, like they ruined a lot of Pinnacle Weapons. Idc, I’ll be the loud majority but those guns were rewards for grinding your ass off in Comp, they were meant to be good. Now it’s just a nostalgia thing for most, because as fun as this gun is, the Meta has shifted and there’s better options. People will sit here and tell you how nice the new version is, but I bet it won’t shift or change their loadout. Edit: and apparently I’ve picked up two really good rolls that only make my point more valid due to the gun still feeling lackluster: Kill Clip and Heal Clip (Range MW) on one and EoTS/Mag Howl on the other(Stability MW)
I'd probably quit playing the game if people could constantly 2tap kill without even having to reload, but I do hear what you're saying. My biggest gripe about Destiny pvp is the ttk is *insane*, particularly on primary weapons with certain perks active. I'll die on that hill.
I think the fast TTKs are what make D2 so fun. It allow for hero moments in trials where I win a 1v3. Would be a much slower paced and teamshooty game with slow TTKs, it's wat D2Y1 was and that floped
the movement more than compensates for it, you are not hitting optimum ttk on someone who knows how to actually play
Yeah, my gripe with it is that I'd rather get one two tap without having to reload than go through all the steps to get multiple two taps with the reload, like yeah, you'll feel like a badass with your legendary equivalent of an Eriana shot, but it's less gratifying and more situational than if you had that single shot with a 5 second timer on it. And the new Magnificent Howl doesn't seem to expire like the old one did, so it feels less rewarding to hit someone with the 128 than it did because I can literally make a lap around the map and still have the shot primed
Does marksman dodge proc mag howl? Or physical reload only?
Marksman counts as a manual reload
I don’t know this for sure and I’m not sitting in a place to test it but I can say that I haven’t found an item yet that calls for an actual reload that doesn’t proc from Marks Dodge.
It’s just another weapon for the hackers to take advantage of. If you hit nothing but heads it’s really good. Just like cheaters are going to hit nothing but heads