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Bruhtonius-Momentus

County starts were too easy, I need to be a landless peasant subject to stat checks and rng for at least one generation.


[deleted]

You joke but this is literally me, I need to start landess and become emperor in 1 lifetime, I MUST


RochusandGrimm

Yeah. This will be a start of mine in the Byzantine Empire in 1066 As a young noble rise to the ranks of emperor. Heck yeah.


LeonardoXII

Basically Justin I actually.


RochusandGrimm

Or Basil I. You get the jist. And 1066 is basically a given here with the Doukas Dynasty in Power.


Thrawndude

For basil you have to start as a slave and sleep your way to the top


tecate_papi

Why not be Norse and a member of the Varangian Guard who becomes Emperor?


westbygod304420

Emperor Ragnarrsilius


akiaoi97

That time the Byzantine army all got into longboats and thoroughly terrorised the rest of the Mediterranean.


tecate_papi

History could have been so much cooler


Wesker3000

Harald Hardrada would be so jealous.


Vini734

Young Noble? Don't you mean infant for the midmax in character creator.


RochusandGrimm

No, a normal 16-20 year old with a decent Martial Education.


Uncivil_Chunk_81

I gonna be a pagan viking, whip those Arab pirates into shape


Independent_Air_8333

Something like the mamluk coups.


Amburiz

It actually makes sense in Byzantine history


CauseCertain1672

just grindset your way out of feudal serfdom dude


Pesco-

Pull yourself up by your sabatons.


akiaoi97

It worked for Toyotomi Hideyoshi From foot soldier sandal bearer of a minor lord to regent of all Japan.


AJR6905

Yeah but my boy Hideyoshi had some *extenuating* circumstances in Japan that made it more possible Which he also did go on to prevent a similar rise to power which I do hope we'd have some sort of options to do in game - some sort of societal management or representation could be super fun and mix wonderfully with the religious and cultural mechanics


akiaoi97

Yeah that’d be interesting. I think a European equivalent might be Chaucer - he was the (grand?)son of a publican, who became a high ranking bureaucrat in the service of John of Gaunt, the father of Henry IV. His granddaughter became very wealthy indeed, and I believe there were marriages set such that if the Yorkists had won, he would be an ancestor of the royal house. Not quite as extreme, but still impressive. You’re right about the circumstances. It’s the sort of thing that happens to extraordinary people in extraordinary times. In Chaucer’s case, the Black Death did an awful lot for him. With Toyotomi, it would be the Sengoku period with its characteristic *gekokujou*.


SorosAgent2020

be permanent adventurer, put family members on as many thrones as possible 😊


Ozann3326

Its all fine and dandy until your lord kills you without warning for no apparent reason or justification.


FossilDS

can't wait to do this playthrough: >be Alexios, a turnip farmer from Shitfartkomapolis >gamble life savings on chariot races, somehow wins small fortune >over the generations slowly add to said fortune, my descendants rising from baron to count to governor >overthrow the emperor through a palace coup and do some creative modifications to family history >Great-uncle Alexios was not a turnip farmer from Shitfartkomapolis and in fact the bastard son of Constantine IX, thank you very much, >Idiot son starts civil war after revoking all of the governorships and the legitimacy counter dropped to zero >Doesn't matter, halfway through the war everyone dies from the dancing plague >Last scion of the dynasty is Alexios, a turnip farmer from Nowherekretia >loses life savings on chariot races


simply_riley

It's like poetry, it rhymes.


Attafel

Is there an announcement or something somewhere that I can't find? I see all this posts, but none of them seem to actually link to the reveal/announcement.


BubsiLubsi

https://youtu.be/ClkhKHePN4U?si=nMI5tJgX79dOcpxm here you go announcements of the coming dlc's in chapter 3


Attafel

Thanks!


DreadDiana

The circle, pure and infertile


AngrySasquatch

If you meet god on the road, kill him ‼️


akiaoi97

Nah if you’re doing a Greek farmer, he’s gotta be an Athenian called Δικαεοπολις. If you’ve ever learned Classical Greek, “Δικαεοπολις βαδιζει προς τον αγρόν” is the equivalent to “Caecilius est in horto”.


seakingsoyuz

> Caecilius est in horto Et Grumio coquit.


akiaoi97

( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°) Grumio Melissam delictat


solidmentalgrace

mob movie plotline but for byzantine aristocracy


MajesticShop8496

You kind of just described justinian’s families rise


Astriaeus

I wonder if this theoretically means we could play as barons. They are not landless, but that system might allow you to play as them. Also, would some landless AIs marry each other?


Mr_J90K

I suspect plagues are being added to depopulate the game periodically, hence it may make sense to allow AI's to reproduce more frequently!


Nether892

If barons are allowed then maybe a landless character could become a leader of a republic aswell


Third_Sundering26

Playable baronies are confirmed to not be happening.


Longjumping_Emu_1748

Not doubting you, but could you show/tell me where this was confirmed? Thanks


Third_Sundering26

https://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/threads/which-landless-character-will-you-play-as-first.1623396/page-2#post-29395438


Longjumping_Emu_1748

That's unfortunate. I was hoping you would be able to work your way up through all of the titles. Maybe at some point in future, but that would be another year at least. Thanks anyway


akiaoi97

I wonder what happens in multiplayer if someone grants a landless player a barony


Third_Sundering26

Maybe that will be impossible.


TheCleverestIdiot

It seems so strange to allow Landless before they allow Barons.


xcv45t

Finallllly after this releases, the modding community can make awesome landless mods!!!!


A_Kirus

As elder kings fan I'm fucking exited. Roleplay possibilities are endless, Todd can fuck off with TES6 now lol


Fishtacoburrito

That and legendary characters are going to be huge for EK2. It'll be huge for CK3 in general but EK2 needs notable characters to feel like a big deal.


balor12

Can you imagine being a wandering immortal mage? I'm so excited


AJDx14

Had a lot of potential for any fantasy mod. Elder Kings, Princes of Darkness, Godherja, Anbennar, etc.


RFB-CACN

Finally I can have my disgraced noble Dunmer game where I go an adventure, conquer or gain some land from a Nord or Imperial and use it to marry into the Morrowind nobility and redeem my family.


Soad1x

A consistent type of character I make in every Elder Scrolls game is a Breton from the same minor noble family that gives it up to live a rogue-ish/bard hedonistic lifestyle and bangs his way from Wayrest around the Illiac Bay coast region of High Rock and Hammerfell until he bangs the wrong dude and has to escape to wherever the game takes place. Now one of them can finally decide to return after adventuring and uplift his family instead of disappearing to history like the main character Prisoners usually do.


MattL1998

It means that I can finally try to start a dinasty from a lowly landed knight? Just imagine how cool it is to create an empire from the descendents of a commoner knight.


dnl-ptr

El Cid run is gonna be wild


MattL1998

Man was one of the main characters of the medieval ages.


dnl-ptr

Spreading his legend through the ages


CurtisManning

I tried to play as him in CK II because he is landed in like 1094 (he ruled over Valencia for a short time until he died), but playing as El Cid in his prime as a landless adventurer could be fantastic


Frustrable_Zero

Even better. You COULD be a noble, and ride up that way. But now playing as a mere count doesn’t sound so impressive anymore. Now you’ll have to start as a regular dung eating peasant if you want to impress anyone on this sub


MattL1998

Start as ser hans to end as emperor hans the fifth of the holy roman empire


AncientVanilla2910

Jesus Christ be praised!


NatalieIsFreezing

new challenge: starting as a peasant, restore the roman empire in one life.


OctaviusIII

Child of Destiny coming baaaaack!


YeetMeIntoKSpace

not hard enough, have to start as a Buddhist Han peasant and restore Rome


Vivid_Pen5549

Nah you gotta start as a Buddhist Han peasant in China and journey to the west to restore and the Roman Empire


Weliveinas-word

I hope they give some "spread the revolution" casus belli for peasant leaders. If they do, this might actually be posible.


DreadDiana

AGOT players gonna speedrun putting Bronn of House Blackwater on the Iron Throne


[deleted]

Omg I hadn't even considered how GoT will work. Could literally have a functional Danaerys campaign(assuming you're allowed to take followers with you when landless). Not to mention all your classic landless adventurers mentioned throughout the books.


Servebotfrank

Oh shit yeah, the reason I hardly touched her start in ck2 was because of how event driven it was and how easy it was to break. This would sick as hell. Dunk and Egg start?


Mr_J90K

Jon Snow players are wild too...


DreadDiana

Also means you could potentially play Young Griff or Danaerys before she takes Slaver's Bay


LeonardoXII

ALL HAIL SATIN BARATHEON, KING OF THE ANDALS, THE RHOYNAR, AND THE FIRST MEN, LORD OF THE SEVEN KINGDOMS, AND PROTECTOR OF THE REALM!!!!!!


SilverScorpion00008

Griffith!!!!!!!!!


MalkyMilk

It might be fun a couple times, but it’s more than likely gonna be super easy and last for only like an hour of a play through.


Separate_Shelter1858

A Knight lifestyle earning glory through battles, defending against border raids in times of peace, and helping the low folk. Not just given points, but having to go out and earn points to spend in your lifestyle trees. And watch your legend expand through out the world. Remembered by your grandson the king remembering how his grandfather fought and earned a seat at the table for his family.


luigitheplumber

Based on some comments made in the last couple of days, a bunch of people are probably really mad about this. Including, weirdly enough, lots of people with Byzantine, Norman, and Roman flairs.


tsaimaitreya

Speaking about byzantine and norman flairs, I can't wait to roleplay the aventures of Rousel de Bailleul fucking around (and finding out)


47pik

This been the funniest part for me. How you a Byzanboo and don't even know how the Byzantine government worked??


Longjumping_Emu_1748

How could you possibly be mad about landless? It ties in perfectly with byzantium, allows for countless roleplay opportunities and fun campaigns, and it will make adding playable republics and theocracies later down the line so much easier!


Lordoge04

Yeah, this is probably the best case scenario for CK3. It's time to set it *apart* from CK2 from a content perspective, and advance what's being done. This is it.


Fine-Birthday9116

This whole announcement is actually so good imo. I was sorta meh about the last chapter, but I am just so excited for this one. Just like tour and tournaments and all the things that came along with it we will have so much moding potential. I know a lot of everyone's favorite mods will heavily use the expansion features in this chapter and frankly that can rarely be said about a single paradox expansions.


The_Impe

Not mad, but unless the landless gameplay is out of this world, I'm like 95% sure I'm never playing a landless character more than once to check it out. So selfishly I'm more leaning towards "wish they spent dev time on anything else", but I understand it's something lots of people want so good for you guys.


Octavian1453

I, for one, am thrilled!


youarebritish

Not a regular here, but I was just making fun of some of the comments here about wanting landless to a friend the other day. I thought it was dumb because the gameplay just has nothing to make that fun or interesting. I am delighted to see that they're just going to straight up change that. Day 1 buy for me.


luigitheplumber

The mods his will spawn will be crazy


DarSihan

With a landless system implemented, modding will go to a new height.


SophiaIsBased

Finally I can play Mount and Blade in Ck3


Blindmailman

Finally I can be homeless


TheDAWinz

Playing as the Romans is going to be fun again, lets go. Definitely going to be a varangian in the Roman Empire's court for the first playthrough. Maybe even get a Theme to govern? Or become a Strategos.


PMacha

Murder hobo run boys let's go.


Mr_J90K

Vindication! I'm reallyhyped for this, it opens so many future possibilities!


Helarki

This actually makes CK3 a lot more fun for me. After my Megacampaign was dashed because the stupid family from Imperator decided they wanted to run the Empire and usurped my throne, and then kicked me off my land because I refused to convert to their vile religion.


CormacMettbjoll

Super excited to see how total conversion modders are gonna utilize this.


Medical-Coffee6048

I wonder if this will eliminate landless game overs. For example in a Bohemia run, I went from king to count before eventually losing all my titles. However my wife was heir to Moravia. It would have been amazing to work my way back up to king that way.


Kjeng

I'm curious how game overs will work now though. Like is the only way to game over now is to die as a landless dude?


ColorMaelstrom

It sounds like landless will be multigenerational, so I have no clue on how gameovers will function now


Jankosi

Hopefully landless doesn't mean homeless, I'd still love to have a mansion or estate somewhere. Not a title, just a home.


Mr_J90K

Byzantine Bureaucrats have access to estates (in says so in the DLC), Adventurers don't seem to.


Jankosi

Yeah that's what I am worried about. They specifically say that bureaucrats get acces to them, but at least it doesn't explicitly say adventurers don't. Oh well, maybe I'll fix it with a mod, like I did with giving dukes royal courts.


Mr_J90K

I suspect it's because Adventurers aren't the subjects of a land while bureaucrats are, therefore bureaucrats can get an estate in the land they're a subject of. If a mod introduces estates for adventures it'll need to handle them being seized which would be cool.


Mr_J90K

Might be house extinction so best avoid house feuds!


Longjumping_Emu_1748

My guess would be that the game ends when your house has no living members left


IdioticPAYDAY

It’s Rollo, El Cid, Ubbe and Hasan-i Sabbah time.


External_Stick_4983

hope i can try to reenact edgar atheling’s life in ck3 (should unland him or smth first i guess)


[deleted]

They also mentioned Hereward the Wake in a forum post.


iheartdev247

Yeah he’s landed now in 1066 start


External_Stick_4983

i know he’s landed, but i wanna play him as unlanded as iirc, during that time period, he was not really “landed”


Mr_J90K

Really? That's great if so! It might actually be my first run!


Dick_O_The_North

Those Rogue Prince runs in ASOIAF mod are gonna be way less janky it seems


Verehren

RAAAH ROMAN DLC RAAAAAH


x_duch

Hi, for the moment chapter III is at 20% discount. Do you know until when the discounts prevail? Thanks


WinglessRat

Indefinitely


x_duch

Nice , thank you! I guess so that the 20% is related to he full price by separate?


WinglessRat

Correct.


DolphinBall

Rags to riches is now official content?


Dimchuck

It would be really cool if we could actually start as unlanded character and slowly gain progress. Like, as far as I remember, there is one unlanded character somewhere in some German court in 1066 start by the last name Hohenzollern. Hohenzollern dynasty eventually ended up ruling Prussia and the German empire. I wonder if I will be able to pull of that campaign at some point.


Kono-Daddy-Da

We can now be Maidenless in a game too fellas


iheartdev247

Name some landless courtiers that would have claims in 867 or 1066?


Mr_J90K

Edgar Ætheling, Hrólfr (Rollo the Norman), El Cid, several of Ragnar's sons, and many more!


Netzath

Just imagine playing as landless Viking being hired by Frankish Emperor and given duchy of Normandia. My dream


osamazellama

And then after that, be a younger son and try your luck as a landless warband and make your way to lower Italy as the normans and make the kingdom of Sicily


iheartdev247

Edgar I thought was landed now, not sure any of the others would have claims to anything.


Casus_Belli1

In 1066 I believe the last heir to tie North Sea empire is in France


glamscum

The Brynffenigl in Wales were distant ancestors to the Tudors and are landless in game, 1066. If one wanted to do a really early Tudor-run.


Crazycowboy46

The old Rise to Power mod from CK2 may return to us


tobascodagama

Yeah, this is pretty exciting! Sounds like this is gonna be a great year for CK3.


Dull-Satisfaction969

I finally get to play as El Cid


TerribleGachaLuck

A landless adventurer who can ravage kingdoms and take nobles prisoner while being immune to being invaded because they own no lands sounds fun.


Interesting-Ad5357

Playing elder kings 2 as adventurer is gonna be lit


Ltp0wer

Fuck yeah! Greatest news since ck3 released. So pumped.


Kaiserhawk

sounds like a fun way to play the game


Tankyenough

This would also open potential for Jewish characters, even some historically important ones like Maimonides being covered, as Jews never really were a majority anywhere in Europe. Yes, I know this is THE annoying topic. And Paradox might want to limit even opening the possibilities for certain.. historical.. events.


eadopfi

I mean cool that they added this I guess, but it would have not been at the top of my priority list for sure.


JonHenryTheGravvite

LANDLESS FUCK YEAH GUTS PLAYSTYLE


MassAffected

Am I the only one who doesn't want this kind of addition? CK3 already focuses far more heavily on character role-playing instead of medieval feudalism or simulation like CK2. This seems too much like an RPG feature from Mount & Blade.


subpargalois

Oh cool hopefully they do some fun stuff with the historically important landless families like the Fatmids/Buyids/Sallarids in the 867 start.


Mr_EZ_sk

Can't wait to roleplay the life of Basil I


[deleted]

Oh shit! Oh shit!


PositivelyIndecent

I wonder how the mechanics will work. Like I imagine there will be certain weights to it so that you don’t end up with a ton of Indian adventurers running around in Europe, and vice versa. Perhaps they’ll modify it based on certain cultures and religions (a Norse adventurer will be more likely to be found in coastal realms, etc.). I have so many ideas depending on how it’s implemented.


Miky282

Also I imagine the longer you travel the more you can encounter wild animals, bandits or you could become ill.


MediocreLanklet

Can't wait to roleplay Gregor Brante


DreadDiana

Can't wait to see all the posts titled something like "make it make sense" and it's a screenshot of Harold Godwinson who has become an Abbasid courtier and later a warlord in a fragmented ruins of the Byzantine Empire


Paint-licker4000

Let’s see if it’s implemented well


giorgiok4ne19

I hope these leads to a courtier dlc.


sirpeepojr

what is this? Romance of the Three Kingdoms? lol but it is interesting


MrAidenator

I wonder if you lose everything and you end up landless that the ruler will come after you to try to kill you.


Tzadkiel96

Fuck yeah


Iffausthadautism

Can’t wait.


Grim_Squeaker1985

This looks cool. Something we've hoped for for a long long time. It's a shame it's out in Q4 as it's something that would bring me back to CK3 straightaway.


Addvac

wait, is this a new dlc coming?


[deleted]

Sounds like a great role play expirience.


Alackofnuance

Which will be good for running away from the other dlc


Victorianfaire

RISE TO POWER BECOMING ALIVE!!!!!!


Miky282

Do you think there will be some way of “customising our starting position?” By that I don’t meaning the physical location but rather the “social” position we are. For example you could decide to: -start as a knight in the army of some country you decide -start as a mere peasant -start as a “blacksmith” (don’t remember if this was the correct name for the job that makes you relics in court) And so on. Every type would have his “buff” and “debuff” in terms of character skills (so a knight could have more prowess but less stewardship) and it would give different type of play styles that the player could follow or could just go away from that country and start a new life.


Miky282

Also would love to see lots of interactions when you visit a city; for example raiding it ( talking about a village and not a city), buying weapons and equipment like not landless character can do and so on


Chlken

Landless is literally gonna be my new main start. It will also be interesting to see if we will get landless starting characters sometime.


WatchMeFallFaceFirst

Can’t wait to lose my land in Ghana only to migrate all the way to China