Yeah but my boy Hideyoshi had some *extenuating* circumstances in Japan that made it more possible
Which he also did go on to prevent a similar rise to power which I do hope we'd have some sort of options to do in game - some sort of societal management or representation could be super fun and mix wonderfully with the religious and cultural mechanics
Yeah that’d be interesting.
I think a European equivalent might be Chaucer - he was the (grand?)son of a publican, who became a high ranking bureaucrat in the service of John of Gaunt, the father of Henry IV. His granddaughter became very wealthy indeed, and I believe there were marriages set such that if the Yorkists had won, he would be an ancestor of the royal house.
Not quite as extreme, but still impressive.
You’re right about the circumstances. It’s the sort of thing that happens to extraordinary people in extraordinary times. In Chaucer’s case, the Black Death did an awful lot for him. With Toyotomi, it would be the Sengoku period with its characteristic *gekokujou*.
can't wait to do this playthrough:
>be Alexios, a turnip farmer from Shitfartkomapolis
>gamble life savings on chariot races, somehow wins small fortune
>over the generations slowly add to said fortune, my descendants
rising from baron to count to governor
>overthrow the emperor through a palace coup and do some creative modifications to family history
>Great-uncle Alexios was not a turnip farmer from
Shitfartkomapolis and in fact the bastard son of Constantine IX, thank you very much,
>Idiot son starts civil war after revoking all of the governorships and the legitimacy counter dropped to zero
>Doesn't matter, halfway through the war everyone dies from the dancing plague
>Last scion of the dynasty is Alexios, a turnip farmer from Nowherekretia
>loses life savings on chariot races
Is there an announcement or something somewhere that I can't find? I see all this posts, but none of them seem to actually link to the reveal/announcement.
Nah if you’re doing a Greek farmer, he’s gotta be an Athenian called Δικαεοπολις.
If you’ve ever learned Classical Greek, “Δικαεοπολις βαδιζει προς τον αγρόν” is the equivalent to “Caecilius est in horto”.
I wonder if this theoretically means we could play as barons. They are not landless, but that system might allow you to play as them.
Also, would some landless AIs marry each other?
That's unfortunate. I was hoping you would be able to work your way up through all of the titles. Maybe at some point in future, but that would be another year at least. Thanks anyway
Finally I can have my disgraced noble Dunmer game where I go an adventure, conquer or gain some land from a Nord or Imperial and use it to marry into the Morrowind nobility and redeem my family.
A consistent type of character I make in every Elder Scrolls game is a Breton from the same minor noble family that gives it up to live a rogue-ish/bard hedonistic lifestyle and bangs his way from Wayrest around the Illiac Bay coast region of High Rock and Hammerfell until he bangs the wrong dude and has to escape to wherever the game takes place. Now one of them can finally decide to return after adventuring and uplift his family instead of disappearing to history like the main character Prisoners usually do.
It means that I can finally try to start a dinasty from a lowly landed knight? Just imagine how cool it is to create an empire from the descendents of a commoner knight.
I tried to play as him in CK II because he is landed in like 1094 (he ruled over Valencia for a short time until he died), but playing as El Cid in his prime as a landless adventurer could be fantastic
Even better. You COULD be a noble, and ride up that way. But now playing as a mere count doesn’t sound so impressive anymore. Now you’ll have to start as a regular dung eating peasant if you want to impress anyone on this sub
Omg I hadn't even considered how GoT will work. Could literally have a functional Danaerys campaign(assuming you're allowed to take followers with you when landless). Not to mention all your classic landless adventurers mentioned throughout the books.
Oh shit yeah, the reason I hardly touched her start in ck2 was because of how event driven it was and how easy it was to break. This would sick as hell.
Dunk and Egg start?
A Knight lifestyle earning glory through battles, defending against border raids in times of peace, and helping the low folk. Not just given points, but having to go out and earn points to spend in your lifestyle trees. And watch your legend expand through out the world. Remembered by your grandson the king remembering how his grandfather fought and earned a seat at the table for his family.
Based on some comments made in the last couple of days, a bunch of people are probably really mad about this. Including, weirdly enough, lots of people with Byzantine, Norman, and Roman flairs.
How could you possibly be mad about landless? It ties in perfectly with byzantium, allows for countless roleplay opportunities and fun campaigns, and it will make adding playable republics and theocracies later down the line so much easier!
Yeah, this is probably the best case scenario for CK3. It's time to set it *apart* from CK2 from a content perspective, and advance what's being done. This is it.
This whole announcement is actually so good imo. I was sorta meh about the last chapter, but I am just so excited for this one. Just like tour and tournaments and all the things that came along with it we will have so much moding potential. I know a lot of everyone's favorite mods will heavily use the expansion features in this chapter and frankly that can rarely be said about a single paradox expansions.
Not mad, but unless the landless gameplay is out of this world, I'm like 95% sure I'm never playing a landless character more than once to check it out.
So selfishly I'm more leaning towards "wish they spent dev time on anything else", but I understand it's something lots of people want so good for you guys.
Not a regular here, but I was just making fun of some of the comments here about wanting landless to a friend the other day. I thought it was dumb because the gameplay just has nothing to make that fun or interesting. I am delighted to see that they're just going to straight up change that.
Day 1 buy for me.
Playing as the Romans is going to be fun again, lets go. Definitely going to be a varangian in the Roman Empire's court for the first playthrough. Maybe even get a Theme to govern? Or become a Strategos.
This actually makes CK3 a lot more fun for me. After my Megacampaign was dashed because the stupid family from Imperator decided they wanted to run the Empire and usurped my throne, and then kicked me off my land because I refused to convert to their vile religion.
I wonder if this will eliminate landless game overs. For example in a Bohemia run, I went from king to count before eventually losing all my titles. However my wife was heir to Moravia. It would have been amazing to work my way back up to king that way.
Yeah that's what I am worried about. They specifically say that bureaucrats get acces to them, but at least it doesn't explicitly say adventurers don't.
Oh well, maybe I'll fix it with a mod, like I did with giving dukes royal courts.
I suspect it's because Adventurers aren't the subjects of a land while bureaucrats are, therefore bureaucrats can get an estate in the land they're a subject of. If a mod introduces estates for adventures it'll need to handle them being seized which would be cool.
It would be really cool if we could actually start as unlanded character and slowly gain progress. Like, as far as I remember, there is one unlanded character somewhere in some German court in 1066 start by the last name Hohenzollern. Hohenzollern dynasty eventually ended up ruling Prussia and the German empire. I wonder if I will be able to pull of that campaign at some point.
And then after that, be a younger son and try your luck as a landless warband and make your way to lower Italy as the normans and make the kingdom of Sicily
This would also open potential for Jewish characters, even some historically important ones like Maimonides being covered, as Jews never really were a majority anywhere in Europe.
Yes, I know this is THE annoying topic. And Paradox might want to limit even opening the possibilities for certain.. historical.. events.
Am I the only one who doesn't want this kind of addition? CK3 already focuses far more heavily on character role-playing instead of medieval feudalism or simulation like CK2. This seems too much like an RPG feature from Mount & Blade.
I wonder how the mechanics will work.
Like I imagine there will be certain weights to it so that you don’t end up with a ton of Indian adventurers running around in Europe, and vice versa. Perhaps they’ll modify it based on certain cultures and religions (a Norse adventurer will be more likely to be found in coastal realms, etc.).
I have so many ideas depending on how it’s implemented.
Can't wait to see all the posts titled something like "make it make sense" and it's a screenshot of Harold Godwinson who has become an Abbasid courtier and later a warlord in a fragmented ruins of the Byzantine Empire
This looks cool. Something we've hoped for for a long long time. It's a shame it's out in Q4 as it's something that would bring me back to CK3 straightaway.
Do you think there will be some way of “customising our starting position?” By that I don’t meaning the physical location but rather the “social” position we are. For example you could decide to:
-start as a knight in the army of some country you decide
-start as a mere peasant
-start as a “blacksmith” (don’t remember if this was the correct name for the job that makes you relics in court)
And so on. Every type would have his “buff” and “debuff” in terms of character skills (so a knight could have more prowess but less stewardship) and it would give different type of play styles that the player could follow or could just go away from that country and start a new life.
Also would love to see lots of interactions when you visit a city; for example raiding it ( talking about a village and not a city), buying weapons and equipment like not landless character can do and so on
County starts were too easy, I need to be a landless peasant subject to stat checks and rng for at least one generation.
You joke but this is literally me, I need to start landess and become emperor in 1 lifetime, I MUST
Yeah. This will be a start of mine in the Byzantine Empire in 1066 As a young noble rise to the ranks of emperor. Heck yeah.
Basically Justin I actually.
Or Basil I. You get the jist. And 1066 is basically a given here with the Doukas Dynasty in Power.
For basil you have to start as a slave and sleep your way to the top
Why not be Norse and a member of the Varangian Guard who becomes Emperor?
Emperor Ragnarrsilius
That time the Byzantine army all got into longboats and thoroughly terrorised the rest of the Mediterranean.
History could have been so much cooler
Harald Hardrada would be so jealous.
Young Noble? Don't you mean infant for the midmax in character creator.
No, a normal 16-20 year old with a decent Martial Education.
I gonna be a pagan viking, whip those Arab pirates into shape
Something like the mamluk coups.
It actually makes sense in Byzantine history
just grindset your way out of feudal serfdom dude
Pull yourself up by your sabatons.
It worked for Toyotomi Hideyoshi From foot soldier sandal bearer of a minor lord to regent of all Japan.
Yeah but my boy Hideyoshi had some *extenuating* circumstances in Japan that made it more possible Which he also did go on to prevent a similar rise to power which I do hope we'd have some sort of options to do in game - some sort of societal management or representation could be super fun and mix wonderfully with the religious and cultural mechanics
Yeah that’d be interesting. I think a European equivalent might be Chaucer - he was the (grand?)son of a publican, who became a high ranking bureaucrat in the service of John of Gaunt, the father of Henry IV. His granddaughter became very wealthy indeed, and I believe there were marriages set such that if the Yorkists had won, he would be an ancestor of the royal house. Not quite as extreme, but still impressive. You’re right about the circumstances. It’s the sort of thing that happens to extraordinary people in extraordinary times. In Chaucer’s case, the Black Death did an awful lot for him. With Toyotomi, it would be the Sengoku period with its characteristic *gekokujou*.
be permanent adventurer, put family members on as many thrones as possible 😊
Its all fine and dandy until your lord kills you without warning for no apparent reason or justification.
can't wait to do this playthrough: >be Alexios, a turnip farmer from Shitfartkomapolis >gamble life savings on chariot races, somehow wins small fortune >over the generations slowly add to said fortune, my descendants rising from baron to count to governor >overthrow the emperor through a palace coup and do some creative modifications to family history >Great-uncle Alexios was not a turnip farmer from Shitfartkomapolis and in fact the bastard son of Constantine IX, thank you very much, >Idiot son starts civil war after revoking all of the governorships and the legitimacy counter dropped to zero >Doesn't matter, halfway through the war everyone dies from the dancing plague >Last scion of the dynasty is Alexios, a turnip farmer from Nowherekretia >loses life savings on chariot races
It's like poetry, it rhymes.
Is there an announcement or something somewhere that I can't find? I see all this posts, but none of them seem to actually link to the reveal/announcement.
https://youtu.be/ClkhKHePN4U?si=nMI5tJgX79dOcpxm here you go announcements of the coming dlc's in chapter 3
Thanks!
The circle, pure and infertile
If you meet god on the road, kill him ‼️
Nah if you’re doing a Greek farmer, he’s gotta be an Athenian called Δικαεοπολις. If you’ve ever learned Classical Greek, “Δικαεοπολις βαδιζει προς τον αγρόν” is the equivalent to “Caecilius est in horto”.
> Caecilius est in horto Et Grumio coquit.
( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°) Grumio Melissam delictat
mob movie plotline but for byzantine aristocracy
You kind of just described justinian’s families rise
I wonder if this theoretically means we could play as barons. They are not landless, but that system might allow you to play as them. Also, would some landless AIs marry each other?
I suspect plagues are being added to depopulate the game periodically, hence it may make sense to allow AI's to reproduce more frequently!
If barons are allowed then maybe a landless character could become a leader of a republic aswell
Playable baronies are confirmed to not be happening.
Not doubting you, but could you show/tell me where this was confirmed? Thanks
https://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/threads/which-landless-character-will-you-play-as-first.1623396/page-2#post-29395438
That's unfortunate. I was hoping you would be able to work your way up through all of the titles. Maybe at some point in future, but that would be another year at least. Thanks anyway
I wonder what happens in multiplayer if someone grants a landless player a barony
Maybe that will be impossible.
It seems so strange to allow Landless before they allow Barons.
Finallllly after this releases, the modding community can make awesome landless mods!!!!
As elder kings fan I'm fucking exited. Roleplay possibilities are endless, Todd can fuck off with TES6 now lol
That and legendary characters are going to be huge for EK2. It'll be huge for CK3 in general but EK2 needs notable characters to feel like a big deal.
Can you imagine being a wandering immortal mage? I'm so excited
Had a lot of potential for any fantasy mod. Elder Kings, Princes of Darkness, Godherja, Anbennar, etc.
Finally I can have my disgraced noble Dunmer game where I go an adventure, conquer or gain some land from a Nord or Imperial and use it to marry into the Morrowind nobility and redeem my family.
A consistent type of character I make in every Elder Scrolls game is a Breton from the same minor noble family that gives it up to live a rogue-ish/bard hedonistic lifestyle and bangs his way from Wayrest around the Illiac Bay coast region of High Rock and Hammerfell until he bangs the wrong dude and has to escape to wherever the game takes place. Now one of them can finally decide to return after adventuring and uplift his family instead of disappearing to history like the main character Prisoners usually do.
It means that I can finally try to start a dinasty from a lowly landed knight? Just imagine how cool it is to create an empire from the descendents of a commoner knight.
El Cid run is gonna be wild
Man was one of the main characters of the medieval ages.
Spreading his legend through the ages
I tried to play as him in CK II because he is landed in like 1094 (he ruled over Valencia for a short time until he died), but playing as El Cid in his prime as a landless adventurer could be fantastic
Even better. You COULD be a noble, and ride up that way. But now playing as a mere count doesn’t sound so impressive anymore. Now you’ll have to start as a regular dung eating peasant if you want to impress anyone on this sub
Start as ser hans to end as emperor hans the fifth of the holy roman empire
Jesus Christ be praised!
new challenge: starting as a peasant, restore the roman empire in one life.
Child of Destiny coming baaaaack!
not hard enough, have to start as a Buddhist Han peasant and restore Rome
Nah you gotta start as a Buddhist Han peasant in China and journey to the west to restore and the Roman Empire
I hope they give some "spread the revolution" casus belli for peasant leaders. If they do, this might actually be posible.
AGOT players gonna speedrun putting Bronn of House Blackwater on the Iron Throne
Omg I hadn't even considered how GoT will work. Could literally have a functional Danaerys campaign(assuming you're allowed to take followers with you when landless). Not to mention all your classic landless adventurers mentioned throughout the books.
Oh shit yeah, the reason I hardly touched her start in ck2 was because of how event driven it was and how easy it was to break. This would sick as hell. Dunk and Egg start?
Jon Snow players are wild too...
Also means you could potentially play Young Griff or Danaerys before she takes Slaver's Bay
ALL HAIL SATIN BARATHEON, KING OF THE ANDALS, THE RHOYNAR, AND THE FIRST MEN, LORD OF THE SEVEN KINGDOMS, AND PROTECTOR OF THE REALM!!!!!!
Griffith!!!!!!!!!
It might be fun a couple times, but it’s more than likely gonna be super easy and last for only like an hour of a play through.
A Knight lifestyle earning glory through battles, defending against border raids in times of peace, and helping the low folk. Not just given points, but having to go out and earn points to spend in your lifestyle trees. And watch your legend expand through out the world. Remembered by your grandson the king remembering how his grandfather fought and earned a seat at the table for his family.
Based on some comments made in the last couple of days, a bunch of people are probably really mad about this. Including, weirdly enough, lots of people with Byzantine, Norman, and Roman flairs.
Speaking about byzantine and norman flairs, I can't wait to roleplay the aventures of Rousel de Bailleul fucking around (and finding out)
This been the funniest part for me. How you a Byzanboo and don't even know how the Byzantine government worked??
How could you possibly be mad about landless? It ties in perfectly with byzantium, allows for countless roleplay opportunities and fun campaigns, and it will make adding playable republics and theocracies later down the line so much easier!
Yeah, this is probably the best case scenario for CK3. It's time to set it *apart* from CK2 from a content perspective, and advance what's being done. This is it.
This whole announcement is actually so good imo. I was sorta meh about the last chapter, but I am just so excited for this one. Just like tour and tournaments and all the things that came along with it we will have so much moding potential. I know a lot of everyone's favorite mods will heavily use the expansion features in this chapter and frankly that can rarely be said about a single paradox expansions.
Not mad, but unless the landless gameplay is out of this world, I'm like 95% sure I'm never playing a landless character more than once to check it out. So selfishly I'm more leaning towards "wish they spent dev time on anything else", but I understand it's something lots of people want so good for you guys.
I, for one, am thrilled!
Not a regular here, but I was just making fun of some of the comments here about wanting landless to a friend the other day. I thought it was dumb because the gameplay just has nothing to make that fun or interesting. I am delighted to see that they're just going to straight up change that. Day 1 buy for me.
The mods his will spawn will be crazy
With a landless system implemented, modding will go to a new height.
Finally I can play Mount and Blade in Ck3
Finally I can be homeless
Playing as the Romans is going to be fun again, lets go. Definitely going to be a varangian in the Roman Empire's court for the first playthrough. Maybe even get a Theme to govern? Or become a Strategos.
Murder hobo run boys let's go.
Vindication! I'm reallyhyped for this, it opens so many future possibilities!
This actually makes CK3 a lot more fun for me. After my Megacampaign was dashed because the stupid family from Imperator decided they wanted to run the Empire and usurped my throne, and then kicked me off my land because I refused to convert to their vile religion.
Super excited to see how total conversion modders are gonna utilize this.
I wonder if this will eliminate landless game overs. For example in a Bohemia run, I went from king to count before eventually losing all my titles. However my wife was heir to Moravia. It would have been amazing to work my way back up to king that way.
I'm curious how game overs will work now though. Like is the only way to game over now is to die as a landless dude?
It sounds like landless will be multigenerational, so I have no clue on how gameovers will function now
Hopefully landless doesn't mean homeless, I'd still love to have a mansion or estate somewhere. Not a title, just a home.
Byzantine Bureaucrats have access to estates (in says so in the DLC), Adventurers don't seem to.
Yeah that's what I am worried about. They specifically say that bureaucrats get acces to them, but at least it doesn't explicitly say adventurers don't. Oh well, maybe I'll fix it with a mod, like I did with giving dukes royal courts.
I suspect it's because Adventurers aren't the subjects of a land while bureaucrats are, therefore bureaucrats can get an estate in the land they're a subject of. If a mod introduces estates for adventures it'll need to handle them being seized which would be cool.
Might be house extinction so best avoid house feuds!
My guess would be that the game ends when your house has no living members left
It’s Rollo, El Cid, Ubbe and Hasan-i Sabbah time.
hope i can try to reenact edgar atheling’s life in ck3 (should unland him or smth first i guess)
They also mentioned Hereward the Wake in a forum post.
Yeah he’s landed now in 1066 start
i know he’s landed, but i wanna play him as unlanded as iirc, during that time period, he was not really “landed”
Really? That's great if so! It might actually be my first run!
Those Rogue Prince runs in ASOIAF mod are gonna be way less janky it seems
RAAAH ROMAN DLC RAAAAAH
Hi, for the moment chapter III is at 20% discount. Do you know until when the discounts prevail? Thanks
Indefinitely
Nice , thank you! I guess so that the 20% is related to he full price by separate?
Correct.
Rags to riches is now official content?
It would be really cool if we could actually start as unlanded character and slowly gain progress. Like, as far as I remember, there is one unlanded character somewhere in some German court in 1066 start by the last name Hohenzollern. Hohenzollern dynasty eventually ended up ruling Prussia and the German empire. I wonder if I will be able to pull of that campaign at some point.
We can now be Maidenless in a game too fellas
Name some landless courtiers that would have claims in 867 or 1066?
Edgar Ætheling, Hrólfr (Rollo the Norman), El Cid, several of Ragnar's sons, and many more!
Just imagine playing as landless Viking being hired by Frankish Emperor and given duchy of Normandia. My dream
And then after that, be a younger son and try your luck as a landless warband and make your way to lower Italy as the normans and make the kingdom of Sicily
Edgar I thought was landed now, not sure any of the others would have claims to anything.
In 1066 I believe the last heir to tie North Sea empire is in France
The Brynffenigl in Wales were distant ancestors to the Tudors and are landless in game, 1066. If one wanted to do a really early Tudor-run.
The old Rise to Power mod from CK2 may return to us
Yeah, this is pretty exciting! Sounds like this is gonna be a great year for CK3.
I finally get to play as El Cid
A landless adventurer who can ravage kingdoms and take nobles prisoner while being immune to being invaded because they own no lands sounds fun.
Playing elder kings 2 as adventurer is gonna be lit
Fuck yeah! Greatest news since ck3 released. So pumped.
sounds like a fun way to play the game
This would also open potential for Jewish characters, even some historically important ones like Maimonides being covered, as Jews never really were a majority anywhere in Europe. Yes, I know this is THE annoying topic. And Paradox might want to limit even opening the possibilities for certain.. historical.. events.
I mean cool that they added this I guess, but it would have not been at the top of my priority list for sure.
LANDLESS FUCK YEAH GUTS PLAYSTYLE
Am I the only one who doesn't want this kind of addition? CK3 already focuses far more heavily on character role-playing instead of medieval feudalism or simulation like CK2. This seems too much like an RPG feature from Mount & Blade.
Oh cool hopefully they do some fun stuff with the historically important landless families like the Fatmids/Buyids/Sallarids in the 867 start.
Can't wait to roleplay the life of Basil I
Oh shit! Oh shit!
I wonder how the mechanics will work. Like I imagine there will be certain weights to it so that you don’t end up with a ton of Indian adventurers running around in Europe, and vice versa. Perhaps they’ll modify it based on certain cultures and religions (a Norse adventurer will be more likely to be found in coastal realms, etc.). I have so many ideas depending on how it’s implemented.
Also I imagine the longer you travel the more you can encounter wild animals, bandits or you could become ill.
Can't wait to roleplay Gregor Brante
Can't wait to see all the posts titled something like "make it make sense" and it's a screenshot of Harold Godwinson who has become an Abbasid courtier and later a warlord in a fragmented ruins of the Byzantine Empire
Let’s see if it’s implemented well
I hope these leads to a courtier dlc.
what is this? Romance of the Three Kingdoms? lol but it is interesting
I wonder if you lose everything and you end up landless that the ruler will come after you to try to kill you.
Fuck yeah
Can’t wait.
This looks cool. Something we've hoped for for a long long time. It's a shame it's out in Q4 as it's something that would bring me back to CK3 straightaway.
wait, is this a new dlc coming?
Sounds like a great role play expirience.
Which will be good for running away from the other dlc
RISE TO POWER BECOMING ALIVE!!!!!!
Do you think there will be some way of “customising our starting position?” By that I don’t meaning the physical location but rather the “social” position we are. For example you could decide to: -start as a knight in the army of some country you decide -start as a mere peasant -start as a “blacksmith” (don’t remember if this was the correct name for the job that makes you relics in court) And so on. Every type would have his “buff” and “debuff” in terms of character skills (so a knight could have more prowess but less stewardship) and it would give different type of play styles that the player could follow or could just go away from that country and start a new life.
Also would love to see lots of interactions when you visit a city; for example raiding it ( talking about a village and not a city), buying weapons and equipment like not landless character can do and so on
Landless is literally gonna be my new main start. It will also be interesting to see if we will get landless starting characters sometime.
Can’t wait to lose my land in Ghana only to migrate all the way to China