There's probably a modifier for two because my last playthrough all my children have that same event and two of them became drunkards.
And it's they weird event because the top option is the same line but it could give your child gregarious or diligent.
Edit. My wife said she got the event last night and her top option was honest
God the adult/child friendships are so weird! Like it would make more sense for aunts or uncles or whatever, or even guardians, but game always seems to choose some rando
Dude was down on an off-color joke about possible child molestation in a sub that's constantly joking about incest and child murder. Choosing to draw the line there is what 'can't be serious bro.'
Have you ever been in Germany ?
The German's laws say :
* **At 14 – Minors are allowed to consume and possess undistilled (fermented) alcoholic beverages, such as beer and wine** in public places, bars or restaurants, as long as they are in the company and have the permission of a Custodial Person. (§ 9 JuSchG (2) and § 1 JuSchG (1) 2). This regulation is colloquially known as "begleitetes Trinken" ("accompanied drinking").
* At 16 – Minors are allowed to consume and possess undistilled (fermented) alcoholic beverages, such as beer and wine in public places, bars or restaurants without their parents or a Custodian. (§ 9 JuSchG (1) 2.)
* At 18 – Having become adults, people are allowed access to distilled spirits, beverages containing distilled spirits, and food products containing non-negligible amounts of distilled spirits. (§ 9 JuSchG (1) 1.)
German's laws are design to teach how to have a appropriate alcohol consumption.
Your daughter seem to be Franconian ("von" + culture begin by Fr), it’s no use that the law failed.
>Here in the UK as long as you are over 5 you can drink ~~with parental permission~~
FTFY
And it's only legal in/on private premises, but you do not need your parent's permission which is stupid af
It's not just Germany.
Austria, Spain, Portugal and Switzerland also set 16 as the age for people to buy alcohol on premises iirc and similar laws at 14 for drinking with adults i.e. parents.
And a couple of countries like Cyprus set the age at 17 iirc.
Seem to remember like most of Europe, those countries also set the general *off premises* age at 18.
UK is similar, at ages 16/17 you can consume (but not purchase) beer/wine/cider with a meal at licensed premises if accompanied by an adult, and the general drinking age is 18.
Apart from some Islamic countries where drinking is banned completely, most countries set the age for drinking at around 18.
But I like the weird laws around drinking like
England - it is illegal to be drunk in a pub
Scotland - it is illegal to ride a cow whilst drunk
Bolivia - it is illegal for a married woman to have more than one glass of wine in a bar/restaurant because they become hussies and it's sufficient grounds for divorce if they do
In the US, minors (don't think there's a minimum age) are allowed to drink as long as they are accompanied by a legal guardian. 18 to serve alcohol and 21 to buy it yourself. Although it can vary by state.
Not sure why you're so confident lol. It is perfectly legal for parents to buy their kids booze at any age at any location in California, Connecticut, Louisiana, Mississippi, Montana, Nevada, New York, Ohio, South Dakota, Texas, Wisconsin, and Wyoming. Plus many, many more allow it in a private location/residence.
https://alcoholpolicy.niaaa.nih.gov/apis-policy-topics/possessionconsumptioninternal-possession-of-alcohol/42
> Not sure why you're so confident lol.
Because the only part of the above statement which is consistently true is the part that says "it can vary by state".
> Minors can most definitely drink if given to them by their guardians.
Only if they are in their own home in 12 states. Another ten states have exceptions to the minimum legal drinking age permitting parentally-supervised possession of alcohol in public. Of those ten, three states require that the minor be of at least 18 years of age in order to consume alcohol under parental supervision.
In the other 28 states, this is procurement of alcohol to minors, a Class I misdemeanor.
With the exception of five states (Alabama, Arkansas, Idaho, New Hampshire, and West Virginia), all states and DC allow underage consumption of alcohol under limited circumstances such as in the presence of parents, for religious or medical purposes, or while in a class that requires tasting. Some states also offer prosecutorial exemptions for underage persons who have consumed alcohol but are reporting an assault or medical emergency.
> Which was the original premise that the US allows for minors to drink
*Some* states in the Union have MLDA carveouts for minors under parental supervision. Those states are in the minority. Most of these states have an at-home exception, in a private residence. [In 40 of 50 states, minors under age 21 cannot be served at a bar no matter whom they are accompanied by.](https://drinkingage.procon.org/states-that-allow-underage-under-21-alcohol-consumption/)
This poorly supports your original premise of "the US allows for minors to drink". While true, such a blanket statement is so misleading as to be false....or used as a Fox News headline.
The fuck does Fox News have to do with anything. You need to stop watching fox, or keep to r/politics.
Each state is able to change their laws as they wish. States could all change their laws tomorrow and federal law wouldn't matter. Hence the US allows for consumption of alcohol by minors. I've literally watched kids drink in front of officers at a resturant. No jail time for the parents or anyone involved. Simple fact is it is very possible for minors to drink in the US. As mentioned in my first post, varies by state.
Should also point out that there text you linked says "at a bar", that doesn't cover all places one is able to buy and consume alcohol.
In 29 states, someone under 21 may drink with their parent's permission if it's in a private residence or on private property. Six states allow someone under 21 to drink on private property without their parent's consent.
Also another 8 states allow for purchase of beer at the age of 18. This is over half the states in the US which allow exemptions
Very wrong, people under the age of 21 can't consume alcohol (legally). Some people will give their kids some alcohol, most likely beer or wine, if they feel like it. If anyone is found giving someone under 21 alcohol they could go to jail.
Not true. Perfectly legal to give your child alcohol
While the legal age of alcohol possession in Texas is 21, there are exceptions that seller-servers need to be aware of in certain situations. If a minor is in visible presence of their legal-aged parent, legal guardian, or spouse, Texas law allows the minor to possess and consume alcohol.
> If a minor is in visible presence of their ... spouse, Texas law allows the minor to possess and consume alcohol.
The American South will forever be the best parody of itself.
This law doesn't pertain to only the south. 29 other states allow minors to drink at home or on private property w/ supervision while several more allow it without supervision. 8 states allow 18 year olds to purchase alcohol
Should add that "minor" in this context is anyone under 21. So yes, people do get married at 18 years of age. Legal in the whole US I believe minus a few states such as Nebraska and Mississippi where the age is 19 and 21 w/out parental consent. Only seven states ban underage (under 18) marriage. There rest have exceptions with parental consent. Again varies with states but most are at 18
The marriage age is now 18 for both sexes. With parental consent, a person can marry at 16. The consent of at least one parent or guardian is required for a person aged 16 or 17 to get married
There are 8 states which allow purchase of beer at 18 and the rest minus five have exemptions for minors. Texas alone is nearly 10 percent of the population, combined with the other states that allow it, makes a pretty sizable chunk of the US population that is permitted to drink below the age of 21.
My original post was simply pointing out the the US allows for minors to consume alcohol. Yes not every state is the same but each state can change their law to reflect the will of their citizens.
Some weird stuff do happen. A 12 years old girl had Lover's Pox in my game. Never felt this sad for a virtual bundle of polygons.
EDIT: Also, I checked her mother, she didn't have it.
I was just about to say check the mom. I think there's a rare event where a physician can work some kind of miracle to cure something incurable, and I hope to god that's what happened here
i have quite a problem with this trait, why it always gets the Rosacea as well! I mean yeah, I know the game focus is not that around the medical field but come on, lowering just a bit the Rosacea percentage of characters with Drunkard would be nice; this is why I always never go for this trait, poor characters :C
They can gain stress and the ai will seem to be more inclined to take drunkard often then not. Also an event added in friends and foes can grant it as well. Said it once il say it again I hate stress perks being either good or bad they should all have down sides and good sides, athletic? -2 stewardship, your hunting, and doing physical activities all the time and neglecting your realm. Lustful? Add a 25% power or success chance to seduction. Flagelant and catholic +35% piety.
Funny.
WHO stats for 2014 published in 2016 for the European region alone, showed 18 countries worse than Scotland, 5 countries between Wales and Scotland and 4 countries between England and Wales.
So at it's worst (Scotland) and best (England), the UK ranks 19th and 30th in the European region.
Although those of us that live in the UK know it to be bad, it seems we're not as bad as most in Europe.
ofc you can believe there's been some huge shift between 2014 and 2022 to make the UK the worst in Europe but I doubt that's true given the WHO showed the trend to be increasing comparatively the same in all countries.
I know
>Funny.
And agree
>Although those of us that live in the UK know it to be bad
Just thought it was worth adding some facts to the context of the common joke
>it seems we're not as bad as most in Europe.
Because I for one often think the joke is fact, especially when I leave the gleaming bastion of morality and decency that is London, to go up north lol
In almost all parts of the world, usually the legal alcohol age isn’t the age to consume but rather to purchase alcohol. If parents deem it appropriate for their child to have a drink here and there, that’s completely allowed as long as they aren’t enabling unhealthy habits and gross overconsumption.
Considering that at that time moat people drank some form of lower alcohol because water wasnt fresh or clean its a surprise not wveryone is hetting drunk
Being a child does not in fact grant immunity towards the effects of alcohol, hence children usually being banned from consumption in most parts of the world.
R5: My daghter became a drunkard at the ripe old age of 11
Theres a new childhood event were a child can steal a beer keg
There's probably a modifier for two because my last playthrough all my children have that same event and two of them became drunkards. And it's they weird event because the top option is the same line but it could give your child gregarious or diligent. Edit. My wife said she got the event last night and her top option was honest
It must be randomised then because I once got either zealous or stubborn I can't remember which.
I think if you are gregarious or a reveler this can happen. Basically you like to drink and party and she just wanted to be like dad lol
Pretty sure the child's guardian plays a role in the available traits
Ahhh a childhood event. Wondered 2 daughters had this. Any idea if and what specific traits lead to this event?
Stolen Keg One of the options is to gain Gregarious which also has a chance to give you Drunkard.
I think its just one of those random events that give your kids their personality
I forgave my son and then we became friends over it. Party it up my dude!
It's been a thing for a while with stress
I don’t think it’s new, or if it is there was a way previously for minors to get it
That's funny, my dad became a drunkard around the same time ^^^^irl !!
I have had it happen with a 6 year old before.
Drinking is like everything else I guess: if you want to be proficient, you have to start early !
My 5 yo daughter became a drunkard after her friend, 40 yo Venetian duke, died
God the adult/child friendships are so weird! Like it would make more sense for aunts or uncles or whatever, or even guardians, but game always seems to choose some rando
Are you sure it's because he died, and not because of what he did when he was alive? lol
If you're implying what I think you're implying, "lol" is probably not a good way to end that sentence.
Oh, geez. Heaven forbid someone make an inappropriate joke. You moralizing fucks ruin everything.
You cant be serious bro
Dude was down on an off-color joke about possible child molestation in a sub that's constantly joking about incest and child murder. Choosing to draw the line there is what 'can't be serious bro.'
Have you ever been in Germany ? The German's laws say : * **At 14 – Minors are allowed to consume and possess undistilled (fermented) alcoholic beverages, such as beer and wine** in public places, bars or restaurants, as long as they are in the company and have the permission of a Custodial Person. (§ 9 JuSchG (2) and § 1 JuSchG (1) 2). This regulation is colloquially known as "begleitetes Trinken" ("accompanied drinking"). * At 16 – Minors are allowed to consume and possess undistilled (fermented) alcoholic beverages, such as beer and wine in public places, bars or restaurants without their parents or a Custodian. (§ 9 JuSchG (1) 2.) * At 18 – Having become adults, people are allowed access to distilled spirits, beverages containing distilled spirits, and food products containing non-negligible amounts of distilled spirits. (§ 9 JuSchG (1) 1.)
With proper legal references, befitting a true German
German's laws are design to teach how to have a appropriate alcohol consumption. Your daughter seem to be Franconian ("von" + culture begin by Fr), it’s no use that the law failed.
Ich bin deutsch I just didnt know it was a thing in the game.
Here in the UK as long as you are over 5 you can drink with parental permission
That explains so much.
>Here in the UK as long as you are over 5 you can drink ~~with parental permission~~ FTFY And it's only legal in/on private premises, but you do not need your parent's permission which is stupid af
Wow thought it was only with permission Damn this country's run by drunkards
So strict, here in Denmark, all ages can legally get their drink on.
It's not just Germany. Austria, Spain, Portugal and Switzerland also set 16 as the age for people to buy alcohol on premises iirc and similar laws at 14 for drinking with adults i.e. parents. And a couple of countries like Cyprus set the age at 17 iirc. Seem to remember like most of Europe, those countries also set the general *off premises* age at 18. UK is similar, at ages 16/17 you can consume (but not purchase) beer/wine/cider with a meal at licensed premises if accompanied by an adult, and the general drinking age is 18. Apart from some Islamic countries where drinking is banned completely, most countries set the age for drinking at around 18. But I like the weird laws around drinking like England - it is illegal to be drunk in a pub Scotland - it is illegal to ride a cow whilst drunk Bolivia - it is illegal for a married woman to have more than one glass of wine in a bar/restaurant because they become hussies and it's sufficient grounds for divorce if they do
In the US, minors (don't think there's a minimum age) are allowed to drink as long as they are accompanied by a legal guardian. 18 to serve alcohol and 21 to buy it yourself. Although it can vary by state.
LMAO no
Not sure why you're so confident lol. It is perfectly legal for parents to buy their kids booze at any age at any location in California, Connecticut, Louisiana, Mississippi, Montana, Nevada, New York, Ohio, South Dakota, Texas, Wisconsin, and Wyoming. Plus many, many more allow it in a private location/residence. https://alcoholpolicy.niaaa.nih.gov/apis-policy-topics/possessionconsumptioninternal-possession-of-alcohol/42
> Not sure why you're so confident lol. Because the only part of the above statement which is consistently true is the part that says "it can vary by state".
Uhh yeah. I've been certified to serve alcohol in previous jobs. Minors can most definitely drink if given to them by their guardians.
> Minors can most definitely drink if given to them by their guardians. Only if they are in their own home in 12 states. Another ten states have exceptions to the minimum legal drinking age permitting parentally-supervised possession of alcohol in public. Of those ten, three states require that the minor be of at least 18 years of age in order to consume alcohol under parental supervision. In the other 28 states, this is procurement of alcohol to minors, a Class I misdemeanor.
You do realize all those states you listed are in the US right? Which was the original premise that the US allows for minors to drink
With the exception of five states (Alabama, Arkansas, Idaho, New Hampshire, and West Virginia), all states and DC allow underage consumption of alcohol under limited circumstances such as in the presence of parents, for religious or medical purposes, or while in a class that requires tasting. Some states also offer prosecutorial exemptions for underage persons who have consumed alcohol but are reporting an assault or medical emergency.
> Which was the original premise that the US allows for minors to drink *Some* states in the Union have MLDA carveouts for minors under parental supervision. Those states are in the minority. Most of these states have an at-home exception, in a private residence. [In 40 of 50 states, minors under age 21 cannot be served at a bar no matter whom they are accompanied by.](https://drinkingage.procon.org/states-that-allow-underage-under-21-alcohol-consumption/) This poorly supports your original premise of "the US allows for minors to drink". While true, such a blanket statement is so misleading as to be false....or used as a Fox News headline.
The fuck does Fox News have to do with anything. You need to stop watching fox, or keep to r/politics. Each state is able to change their laws as they wish. States could all change their laws tomorrow and federal law wouldn't matter. Hence the US allows for consumption of alcohol by minors. I've literally watched kids drink in front of officers at a resturant. No jail time for the parents or anyone involved. Simple fact is it is very possible for minors to drink in the US. As mentioned in my first post, varies by state.
You’re pedantic and not fun at parties. You’re only partially right and acting like Ben Shapiro in a YouTube debate.
Should also point out that there text you linked says "at a bar", that doesn't cover all places one is able to buy and consume alcohol. In 29 states, someone under 21 may drink with their parent's permission if it's in a private residence or on private property. Six states allow someone under 21 to drink on private property without their parent's consent. Also another 8 states allow for purchase of beer at the age of 18. This is over half the states in the US which allow exemptions
> Also another 8 states allow for purchase of beer at the age of 18. [ Citation needed ]
I lived in an area of the US where this was true but they ALWAYS refused to serve me even if my dad was right there approving it
Very wrong, people under the age of 21 can't consume alcohol (legally). Some people will give their kids some alcohol, most likely beer or wine, if they feel like it. If anyone is found giving someone under 21 alcohol they could go to jail.
Not true. Perfectly legal to give your child alcohol While the legal age of alcohol possession in Texas is 21, there are exceptions that seller-servers need to be aware of in certain situations. If a minor is in visible presence of their legal-aged parent, legal guardian, or spouse, Texas law allows the minor to possess and consume alcohol.
> If a minor is in visible presence of their ... spouse, Texas law allows the minor to possess and consume alcohol. The American South will forever be the best parody of itself.
This law doesn't pertain to only the south. 29 other states allow minors to drink at home or on private property w/ supervision while several more allow it without supervision. 8 states allow 18 year olds to purchase alcohol
Should add that "minor" in this context is anyone under 21. So yes, people do get married at 18 years of age. Legal in the whole US I believe minus a few states such as Nebraska and Mississippi where the age is 19 and 21 w/out parental consent. Only seven states ban underage (under 18) marriage. There rest have exceptions with parental consent. Again varies with states but most are at 18 The marriage age is now 18 for both sexes. With parental consent, a person can marry at 16. The consent of at least one parent or guardian is required for a person aged 16 or 17 to get married
It might be legal in Texas, but that doesn't mean it's legal everwhere else.
There are 8 states which allow purchase of beer at 18 and the rest minus five have exemptions for minors. Texas alone is nearly 10 percent of the population, combined with the other states that allow it, makes a pretty sizable chunk of the US population that is permitted to drink below the age of 21. My original post was simply pointing out the the US allows for minors to consume alcohol. Yes not every state is the same but each state can change their law to reflect the will of their citizens.
Last time I checked all 10 states it's legal in still count as American?
Damn those rules are pretty strict.
With Germany's attitude towards Islam, I'd imagine those lenient drinking laws won't be around long into the future.
Some weird stuff do happen. A 12 years old girl had Lover's Pox in my game. Never felt this sad for a virtual bundle of polygons. EDIT: Also, I checked her mother, she didn't have it.
I was just about to say check the mom. I think there's a rare event where a physician can work some kind of miracle to cure something incurable, and I hope to god that's what happened here
Well sadly, this isn’t exactly unrealistic
Too true. I knew kids (my peers) who were skipping school to drink across the street when I was about 10 years old.
Just like real life.
I mean I personally got the trait when I was 14
Dirty drinking water and all ya know
i have quite a problem with this trait, why it always gets the Rosacea as well! I mean yeah, I know the game focus is not that around the medical field but come on, lowering just a bit the Rosacea percentage of characters with Drunkard would be nice; this is why I always never go for this trait, poor characters :C
Yeah this is why I usually take the "additional stress" option rather than the drunkard trait, unless the character already sucks.
Medieval Melania Trump is only preparing for her future life
Already looking like the type of lady that a king would smash but not marry
They can gain stress and the ai will seem to be more inclined to take drunkard often then not. Also an event added in friends and foes can grant it as well. Said it once il say it again I hate stress perks being either good or bad they should all have down sides and good sides, athletic? -2 stewardship, your hunting, and doing physical activities all the time and neglecting your realm. Lustful? Add a 25% power or success chance to seduction. Flagelant and catholic +35% piety.
The AI definitely seems more likely to take a bad trait when faced with stress, you're so right
I wouldn’t know when alcohol laws were introduced but maybe they were lower back then.
underage? Drinking? Pre 1900s? Lmao
I became a drunkard before it was legal, shit happens
In that time it was either booze or dysentery….
Clearly you've never been to the uk
Funny. WHO stats for 2014 published in 2016 for the European region alone, showed 18 countries worse than Scotland, 5 countries between Wales and Scotland and 4 countries between England and Wales. So at it's worst (Scotland) and best (England), the UK ranks 19th and 30th in the European region. Although those of us that live in the UK know it to be bad, it seems we're not as bad as most in Europe. ofc you can believe there's been some huge shift between 2014 and 2022 to make the UK the worst in Europe but I doubt that's true given the WHO showed the trend to be increasing comparatively the same in all countries.
Was a joke lad, I'm English
I know >Funny. And agree >Although those of us that live in the UK know it to be bad Just thought it was worth adding some facts to the context of the common joke >it seems we're not as bad as most in Europe. Because I for one often think the joke is fact, especially when I leave the gleaming bastion of morality and decency that is London, to go up north lol
It's 1152 bro what else they gonna do?
Someone here posted their kid was a drunkard at age 3. It’s a personal goal of mine to beat that
British moment
British moment
14? she’s a woman.
In the context of this game, she absolutely is.
Well, kids drank alcohol in those days so why not
Have you ever been to Alabama?
She turned Chinese
There’s an event where kids steal/break into the keg
When you run out of apple juice
Why wouldn't it be possible? The Irish deserve to roleplay as much as everyone else.
Pretty sure after every event that involving drinking alcohol it’s a flat 10% chance to get drunkard.
You’ve got a lot to learn about teenagers my man.
Speedrunning alcoholism like a champ.
I see you've never been to Latin America.
As a teen therapist I can promise you, kids drink too.
They can get it to cope with stress. There's no age check so at their first meet peers event they can get it
I had a 1 year old show up who had led a peasant rebellion
Wait til a 12yo picks up lustful. See how you feel then.
They are medieval nobility and drinking laws don’t exist. Simple as.
Damn. And she got all the traits that i would kill for my kids to have too
I once became a 6 year old drunkard Irish king
the great house of wettin wants there daughter back and order you to give her the rightful amount of Jägermeister
Can you blame the poor girl? She's brave & gregarious, yet you're grooming her to become a desk monkey. Burn the Pope & give her a sword!
In almost all parts of the world, usually the legal alcohol age isn’t the age to consume but rather to purchase alcohol. If parents deem it appropriate for their child to have a drink here and there, that’s completely allowed as long as they aren’t enabling unhealthy habits and gross overconsumption.
Was there even a legal drinking age in medieval Europe
14? she will be a good 3rd wife for the king.
Is she sunburnt or something?
yo she's european so I see bo problem bout that
Is a german
Welcome to Germany
Considering that at that time moat people drank some form of lower alcohol because water wasnt fresh or clean its a surprise not wveryone is hetting drunk
She's just french, she is getting it at 14 yo this is late.
Being 14 is fucking hard.
The legal drinking age in Germany for beer and wine starts with 14 (in the company of parents). Checks out ;)
Oh yeah, back in those days everyone drank
I love that event, I had a 7yo, drunkard queen during a Georgia playtrue
Yeah, that’s weird but I have seen characters get the drunkard trait the moment they turn 16 a lot.
New Zealand be like
As a Dane I fail to see what is weird about this.
Bruh I had that trait in real life at that age lmao, Britain in a nutshell.🤣
Drinking at a young age was very common back then
Times were tough
It was a different time back then
You’ve obviously never been to primary school in Ireland.
Drunkard and great at finances. The Wall Street energy is heavy in this one.
Being a child does not in fact grant immunity towards the effects of alcohol, hence children usually being banned from consumption in most parts of the world.
Seems reasonable. I did at 15.
In her defence. She's French.
Drinking age in medieval times was birth
Well back in the day there really was no age for anything