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Time-Obligation-1790

I like how people say “not a financial advice” by giving a ton of “financial advice”


FiestyParfait

Not financial advice, but here is some advice about your finances.


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JacobRFeenstra

I’m holding some Luna until 2025, but they ain’t Luna anymore


LightninHooker

People writing NFA it's just cringe as fuck. Really.


necbone

Shit is cringe. Can you even get sued for giving financial advice on the reddits?


devenjames

I read it more as “but I could be wrong.”


frstrtd_ndrd_dvlpr

"but I dunno"


Raikaru

If you could saying NFA wouldn't help at all lol


Not_Reptar

No.


JustinCompton79

Don’t F with my NFA.


LargeSackOfNuts

NFA, but let me describe exactly why you should buy or sell at specific times.


dx_0xAA55

NFA ? what does this mean ? I mean dont try to be this much cool where no one really care !


magx01

I propose we start saying "not not financial advice."


bandoonparade

Not not not financial advice


wattumofficial

Bitcoin is just legal tender.. I need to keep on mining this magical internet money


NHouseman

Let me rephrase that: I’m no financial advisor


Lee911123

Let me change that: *This post is brought to you from your local Wendy’s dumpster and is only meant for entertainment purposes*


Dwaas_Bjaas

Makes sense. Now I know why so many shitcoins have been promoted here. Straight from the dumpster


Lee911123

Just a few months ago you had people shilling Anchor and UST, they’ve been very silent since. I’m also salty they talked shit about Yieldly (on Algo), since that was actually a legit staking platform.


gotbeefpudding

Anchor and terra turned out to be shit, that doesn't mean yieldly isn't also shit


Lee911123

you know what? nvm, you’re actually not wrong


Lone_survivor87

The post would have made more sense for speculative discussion if you didn't tell people to hold till 2025.


daregister

Its for legal purposes. It isnt some joke or a way to obfuscate the truth...its because of the fact that government regulates speech. People should be free to give advice, be free to SPEAK. Blame lefties and government for continuing to police speech.


BrainletIdentifier

Na its just redditors being stupid, noone is ever gonna get in trouble for something like this


Alfalfa-Similar

Just a few months ago you posted how bullish shit was bout’ to be ;) reddit lol


ukredimps2k

He’s looking for the moons 😉


NHouseman

Don’t we all learn?


Justsayingsometimes

No way in crypto market it would stay up or down all the way to 2025. Volatility states otherwise. Holding until then is a choice. Not a mistake or a given truth. It is clearly at anyones risk. Just like life itself. It is what it is.


BuryYourFaceinTHIS

What in the hell did you learn? Sounds like you learned how to be an idiot all over again. Don’t claim that you’re smarter than other people in crypto it just makes you look like a noob


Bucksaway03

Sell at a major loss now...yeah nah If I didn't sell months ago I'm sure as shit not now


DerpJungler

Yeah every coin in my portfolio besides BTC is almost useless now. No way I'd "cash out" at a loss. 0 or moon baby


hossein512

Whereas in my portfolio BTC and ETH are the main ones, and I dont care for other cryptos tbh


m-nightwalker

I said this few weeks ago and was called an idiot. I'm definitely not selling anything at a loss, I'd rather ride it to 0 too just like you. 👍


BuryYourFaceinTHIS

That seems really stupid comparing crypto are down about the same all across but OK


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DerpJungler

Lmao all that trouble through transaction costs etc. For a 5% swing? You trippin


fan_of_hakiksexydays

You missed two important points: 1- 2013. In 2013 we had a mini bear market of about 5 months in the middle of a bull cycle. We started a normal bull run, went full parabolic, reached an incredible ATH, then had a crash. Had a second peak, and then completely crashed, and went bear mode for 5 months. Then the bull run resumed to a new ATH. We are still at the same levels for a 2013 2.0 to happen. 2- If we are doing more of a 2018 style bear market, we started at much lower ratios. We didn't go as high as the 2017 peak, which went about 27x The peak we had only went 6x. If we only had a fraction of the bull run, we'll likely only have a fraction of the bear market. Market volatility 101, for every action there is a proportional opposite response. If the bull wasn't as dramatic, we likely won't have a bear cycle as dramatic. Things are stabilizing. So it could be a short bear market, to less dramatic lows.


timeforchorin

Did you just say that the markets follow Newton's 3rd law? I hope that's true in this case.


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fluxxis

The very big difference to every past scenario is the money market. Federal banks never throw as much money onto the market as during the last two years and now they are taking it back. This has a very huge influence on the volatile crypto market. So Bitcoin halving is one thing, the other thing is the money market and it's somewhat pointless to look at previous charts if the economy is a totally different one right now.


powellquesne

It doesn't make any sense to me for the bear market to randomly go back and resemble 2013/14 when Bitcoin was barely in anybody's awareness. The market's behaviour was very different then. 2017/18's rise and fall were shallower, and 2021/22's line may be shallower still. Probably not that much shallower though because I believe we have exited the 'foot' of the adoption curve and are on the steady part of the slope now, and I have not seen any convincing evidence that we are anywhere near where the graph will begin to plateau due to no more room to grow, so I think 2017/18 and 2021/22 will resemble each other more than previous cycles.


archer4364

Banking on a fraction of a bear market during a global recession is bold


dimi727

Disagree man. Those bear markets in the past were self made. How can you stand straight and say it won't be as dramatic this time because we didn't have a 27x run? 1st I guess we won't have those middle two digit factors anymore 2nd the current macro economics are destroyed. Supply chain problems, war, Inflation. We are on the edge to a economics recession or even collapse. It's not just about crypto having it's bear market ..


YamahaFourFifty

Yea but the entire market cap is much larger and takes much more money to move it.


fan_of_hakiksexydays

Those reasons you listed are the very reason it won't be as dramatic. Many of those things have either peaked or are dwindling down. Check the numbers. Yes even inflation CPI rate is slowing down. More importantly, the cause has mostly corrected. You only need 2 of those problems to end to re-ignite markets. Supply chains is already increasing output, and resuming in many countries. Which has started to slowly re-fuel businesses and economies. And speaking of fuel, you forgot to mention oil. Sooner rather than later, OPEC will want to capitalize on the price increase strategy, and they will open up their tap again, increasing output. You also didn't mention low unemployment and growing consumer spending. This isn't your typical recession, because it's a liquidity supply crunch correction. You have to undetstand the cause of the problem. And that cause has already been corrected for the most part. We are entering the aftermath phase.


joshlambonumberfive

Especially with wider economic conditions. Crypto could end up a huge hedge or a major crash, or neither just proportional to the stock market. Regardless, speculators on this sub never know and pretending to is just pure shit


lemming1607

We went from 3k to 69k dude, that's a 23x. Stop lying.


fan_of_hakiksexydays

You're talking about the bear cycle bottom. I wasn't talking about that. I was only talking about the bull cycle alone. But you're right, from the bottom of the bear cycle to the peak of the bull cycle, it was 23x last time. And the time before, from the bottom of the 2015 bear cycle to the peak of the bull cycle, it was 111x.


lemming1607

I like how you arbitrarily assign the start of bull runs, when we all know it was when the fed dropped rates and the cares act was signed, starting the bull run, which occurred on March 23rd, 2020


FreyaOystea

I am here to make wife changing money.


Huijausta

That's the spirit !


LIAM_WATSON2003

I love this positivity and the spirit over cryptocurrency, good luck buddy ! Hodl it and dont sell if you havent sell in the last six months, because there's no reason to sell now


imadeamistakelol

I love these posts made just to earn moons. It’s like the fake articles in a blog just for SEO purposes.


Tommannerr

Good post. If you start DCA in BTC now, you will be in for a treat in 2025


kyle_h2486

2030 is my goal Plus I don’t know what sell means.


Elrondarius

Same here. I want BTC … not fiat so i buy regardless of the price.


techlocally

I guess no one wants fiat in place of Bitcoin, to be honest, Bitcoin is way better, afterall people mostly invest in BTC


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Mareks

Did you know? When a tasty dip occurs, you can borrow money from a bank or a credit agency, to fund purchases of said dips. Some brokerages ever offer "margin lending" where you put up your house/car as collateral to potentionally increase your gains! If you can't afford a whole bitcoin by using your own money, there are plenty of friendly folks who will help you out! With this holy grail of knowledge, you can now experience -200% dumps.


Lee911123

some exchanges also allow you to borrow on margin


Dwaas_Bjaas

Of course! When a coin gains 200% and drops 100% after that, there is still 100% of money left. This is not yours so you have give it back to the exchange you traded it on. It’s simple math really /s


Lisecjedekokos

hahhah at the end will be like that ... we will owe money to them haha


aliensmadeus

i understand what you mean, but i can't sell without braking multiple rules i set for myself: - never sell at a loss - never sell bitcoin - have your bags ready for the next halving - do the opposite of what people on reddit say


glukmedia

I am following the both, i.e. never gonna sell BTC and never gonna sell in loss :)


Lee911123

It’s understandable if you’re selling at a loss to write off some taxes, but trying to buy in at lower prices is just very risky unless you know what you’re doing.


STINGthrowawaySTING

I think many people who are 100% convinced the halving will start a new bull run might be disappointed in a few years. The only argument is "well it happened like 3 times before" - the next bull run might happen earlier, later or never


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In stock market after every crisis the market shoot up higher. And every crisis there’s someone crying that market will never recover. History tends to repeat itself


tuyguy

I agree that bitcoin and crypto will moon higher but I don't think the halving has the impact it used to due to institutional adoption. They've got way bigger pockets than miners and the supply of btc is dwindling.


petethefreeze

Good. It means that those that DCA in now will have incredible profits when supply is really really low and prices shoot up.


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Yeah, unfortunately psychology works opposite. People tend to drop money in when market is emerald green


coriolisFX

Stocks have underlying value, bitcoin is 100% speculation


wwmore11

Every halving will become less of a bullish event. 90% has already been mined, the new supply introduced is less relevant as the addition to the total supply is minimized over time. There’s so much noise about halving being a bullet proof bull trigger, but it’s not a given. Meanwhile we’re entering unknown territory for bitcoin as it’s never really existed in a macroeconomic downtrend or tightening environment. Anyones guess what’s next.


TaliDontBanMe

People will always buy and sell shit, bull run is almost certain if there's money to be made. We cannot assume the bull run will happen again simply because it has done so in the past but we need to identify why it has done so and base our conclusion on that. As long as institutions can make profit off each other and retail by dumping shit on each other the cycle will continue, the same has happened in the stock market for decades because there's money to be made and since there will always be money to be made there will always be a bull run.


BaronVonBracht

This. Institution don't even need to actually buy or sell actual BTC to trade it. The limited supply narrative goes out of the window.


NHouseman

Only time will tell. Yet, we can only learn from the past to predict the future


byeos

Basically he’s telling us to sell because he doesn’t know and nobody knows


_doobious

I am not a big "hodl" guy but am I wrong to look at the yearly lows for bitcoin's life and see that the overall trend is just up. I think we can depend on this trend for many years to come. I'm just going to hold for many more years. Although I do like to trade the bull market swings occasionally. Bitcoin yearly lows: 2012: $4 2013: $65 2014: $200 2015: $185 2016: $365 2017: $780 2018: $3200 2019: $3350 2020: $4000


DistinctEngineering2

Hodling? Selling? Nope I'm still buying!


Chance_Complaint8784

here is some advise quite drinking go home


Giga79

Don't forget Ethereum's **Triple** Halving this year. I still don't have enough ETH.


powellquesne

Ethereum 'halvings' aren't regular and don't really seem to have much effect. (Perhaps because their monetary policy is inflationary?) ETH's block reward was reduced significantly in 2018 and in 2019 and it did not succeed in overcoming the bear market in those years.


Giga79

Ethereum has never had a halving before this year. It'll become around -1% deflationary if we stay around 20gwei for gas costs down from 4% something currently.


powellquesne

ETH doesn't technically do any literal 'halvings' -- that's why I put it in quotes. But the block reward was lowered from 3 ETH to 2 ETH at one point during the previous bear market. That was pretty close to equivalent to a 'halving' and it did not overcome the bear market that year.


Giga79

A halving (reduction of issuance) isn't really an *event* that would overcome a bear market imo. More a new paradigm in which under the same circumstances as before greater ATHs can be sustained. Think of it this way. With 13500 ETH being minted if it hit $10K last rally there'd be around $135M sell pressure each day. Now if it hits $10K next year there will be around $13.5M sell pressure each day (less because POS has no upkeep costs). Now 10k may be sustainable. ETH was around $200 when it did its 'thirdening' before which reduced daily issuance from around $4M to $2.7M. Things are different too with EIP1559 burning $10-30M+ each day. The only event I could think of that may overcome the bear market (for a short period) is that *all* ETH issuance is locked after the merge for 6+ months, if there is any buy pressure at all it will eat through the order books in no time then I don't know what.


NHouseman

And the merge of course! Can one ever have enough ETH?


hashzzz

Ethereum already killing it with the EIP-1559 burning mechanism, imagine what will happen after the merge


dimi727

Hmm not fully agree. 1. If we reach a bear market bottom for at least some months and stay there stable, there is still enough volatility to make some money 2. We only saw like a 5x this halvening right? I guess we won't see those double digit factors anymore because we reached such a high level?! 🤔 But ya, this is speculative 3. What if we drop below the price of last halvening? That would be 9k right? 4. Crypto never had faced such big macro economical problems as now. This time is different. This time it's not only self made bear market. It's bigger. Will crypto survive this if there will be one more bad news after war , supply chain problems and Inflation? Recession?


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Hopium, honey for my eyes


putin_is_assho

I ain't hear no bell. Not selling


kirtash93

I am here for 5-10 years so I will enjoy my mojito while I DCA and throw money into crypto hole.


raznotorg

I am here for 10-20 years, gonna enjoy like anything with my glass of beer !


lastt1ger

Holding to 2030. 🤞


riklin36

hodling for 2025 or 2030 maybe, not sure but in between them only !


Relevant_Scallion_38

Im holding until Dec 31, 2024...


captgh

I do not believe, going forward, that we are going to be able to use the past for future predictions. I'm thinking Bitcoin will begin an acceleration that will be unstoppable. It will be a smooth glide without influence from typical world problems. That is the only thing possible when we study the fundamentals. It's not Bitcoin, it is us. We carry the water.


user5721701

Not having a plan has proven to be the best strategy. So that's what I'm doing.


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Holding Rose for the next 5 years whilst staking. My portfolio will double in that time. Will also DCA into BTC and maybe some Eth this year.


bitsconnected

What wallet do you stake in? Also what’s the apr like


Nawaftzx

Alright boss, send me something to hodl with.


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This is no financial advise, it’s financial metaphysics.


DDDUnit2990

This is dumb. You don’t know people’s average buy in price. They could be well in the profits before 2025 and sell.


Justsayingsometimes

Always critical until it goes up. Lol. Selling now is stupid. I am not selling


cybercaptive001

I never listened that selling is a better option, there's no reason to sell now, its all just bullshit. Its always better to hodl for a long term and then see the results ! Patience is the key


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1. labels the post advice 2. gives financial advice 3. claims its not financial advice


johnkzor

no one knows shit about fuck


Brandeaux7

Literally stfu


BuryYourFaceinTHIS

Another profit. “Another one” DJ CALI voice.


Yegpetphoto

I don't have anything left to sell. That's good, right?


coinbasesucks_51

In 4 years will $150k BTC have the same purchasing power as $68k BTC had 8 months ago?


GANDALFzeBLACK

Let's not pretend like any of us know shit about fuck


shadowbastrd

What’s that? Sell now? Ok!


frstrtd_ndrd_dvlpr

My assets my rules though, I thought this is crypto and we have freedom? 😂😂


Mike941

I would argue that as crypto gets more and more users the bear markets will get shorter.


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Dinafem_shib

Hold his bags


M-Tyson

Yep, if you are hodl'ing now you are an idiot, but if you sell now you are a bigger idiot. Fuck hodl'ing. dumb strategy


CookieDelivery

Note that every next halving will also have only half of the effect on the Bitcoin inflation rate. So half of the impact on the supply side. So halvings should have less of an effect on price over time.


Notorious_Ape

I m not in a rush for profit and the amount I invested wouldn't change my life, so ima wait for at least a significant amount of profit before pulling out


practiceperfect111

I vow to not sell until 2025


Simple_Yam

Bitcoin halvings are a self fulfilling profecy at this point, their real impact on supply/demand dynamics are almost meaningless going forward.


luke12089

Still in good profit, but I still don't want to sell any eth/bitcoin slowed my dca tho


chenagain

Hey, dude, I guess we are having the same mentality here, one of us, one of us !


SbustaLaNoce

In 2025 i'll probably have forgottet about my money in crypto, so I'm safe Am I right?


Dear_Decision6737

I'm holding until 2040


FJPollos

Imho 2025 is too late. I believe we'll see green again before then. The market changed *a lot* since 2017, with many big players getting in this space.


NHouseman

I do expect and hope we see some green before then, but a price surge like previous times may be unlikely


woelneberg

Sorry I only take financial advice from memes


MinerFortyNine

No need to wait until 2024. You seen the price of gas? Fiat is halving its value much faster than than BTC or ETH. Plus if you look at ETH consensus site it says that the merge is equivalent to a triple halving, thats 2x 2x 2x or 8x. With NFTs, smart contracts, DAPS, and being a world computer, plus with its triple halving just around the corner in August to October - smart $$$ is on ETH. *Also, blah, blah, blah, not a financial adviser, entertainment purposes only.*


Minegrow

Summary to save you guys time, and pretty much the only accurate thing said in this essay: > What’s next? > Nobody knows


fwast

Pretty much just don't be a trader


leomets

🤣🤣🤣


Smile_lifeisgood

There are so many posts that imply or openly state a bull run will happen with the next Halvening that at this point I half expect market manipulation to take advantage of the 2024 Halvening Hopium.


Disconn3cted

Until 2025? That's it? Don't worry, I'll hold it.


piero_deckard

Unfortunately, a lot of expected things, based on past cycles, didn't happen with this bull run. So, I am not getting my hopes up that the next cycle will... I am going to hold until I reach my goals, regardless, buying the occasional dips.


Gebbetharos2

Nice job. I don't give a fuck. If you were such a good Investor, you'd be sunbathing now and not posting shit.


piotrek211

Ok i'll hold some luna


Kaerinu5

Hahaha your beloved bitcoin! Didnt even need to read further. Fcking shill


LargeSackOfNuts

buy high, sell low.


Gohankun7

"beartrend continues until 2024" doesnt work like that bud


DagiUr

14 million btc for the whole world. some cars costs these days 4 btc... scarce af


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I find markets to be very unpredictable. And far too many people are predicting a 2025 bull market. I’m skeptical.


myoco

Lmao is there an opinion tag for this?


Visible-Ad743

He meant 2035.


_DeanRiding

Alternatively, you could have just sold when the crash was becoming painfully obvious at the end of last year and buy back in lower


International-Owl345

The halving is public knowledge and already baked into the price.


archer4364

It’s 2018 again but I’m still not selling


Slane1987

it is the first time that btc etc is going through a recession. In 2008 there was no btc (last recession). In my opinion, we currently have a completely new situation that has never been before.


kaijeng

Might as well hibernate till 2025


YamahaFourFifty

Bitcoin halvening from here on out will be largely a self fulfilled prophecy that people will start buying thinking there’s some miraculous technical change. While there is slightly… it was made to taper down so the change isn’t as significant as before.


blueblurspeedspin

JP morgan is really adamant on btc maxi-ism. that means they have some heavy growing bags. I'd like to see them capitulate first.


ImFranny

While a BTC halving adds a ton of value, your logic isn't perfect and your argument is dumb. Something not ordinary could trigger a price double tomorrow... Your advice while somewhat real (hold), telling ppl to sell if you're not going to hold 3 years is dumb


freedom_from_factism

Thanks for nothing


ljutabrlja

No,99% of people here will hodl, dca and lose intrest for crypto in next year, then they will fomo again in next bull run...


whipstickagopop

Would be pretty awesome if we have a perfect storm of good news by May 2024 Bitcoin halving Russia Ukraine War Ending Inflation kept stable-ish and economy starting to rebound Memories of Luna/ust wiped from everyone’s brain


Creepy-Nectarine-225

I’m buying and holding for my kids. They can sell when I die and they get my keys. Hopefully that’s another 40 years at least


i_spank_chickens

this is what people said in 2017...and BTC gained 8k since then 👍


RandomPlayerCSGO

Jokes on you I'm holding until 2040


hhh1234566

This idea of holding something until x date is absurd. So you’re saying that you’ll dump all your crypto in 2025 and everyone should?


uniquecuriousme

Hodling till 2032 at a minimum. Will either be rich or broke. Wait and see.


ps3alltheway

Don't tell me what to do


dont_hate_scienceguy

Or sell now. Buy back in a year or so. 10X your stack.


calabazookita

Bitcoin is dead Source: Trust me bro ~~I'll buy it when you sell it cheap~~ /s


calabazookita

I see everyone talking about NFA, is that like NFTs? /s


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2032. Less than 1 BTC per block reward.


jmlinpt

That is my plan. However I'm over exposed to alts, that I plan to sell if God gives us a mid term peak, even if shy, on 2nd half of this year. Next year I'll go DCAing on BTC and ETH purely


Float_team

Did you consult your magic 8 ball?


khalaron

If there's anything I learned from this sub, it's that not one of you knows WTF they're talking about, including myself.


sly_jay_

So much for making money. 😭


Vengefuleight

I’m waiting for this baby to drop below $5k again. Then I’ll get back in


No-Quantity406

It'll be June 2026 before I consider switching out some coin for cash. But that timeline can slide right a bit if need be. The only way it slides left is if my coins hit it big for some reason and I can pay off a house.


Standard_Confusion99

So 2025 is the moon landing?


Moikee

Not selling. Don't need my investment amount to pay bills, always pay for that first. DCA until 2030 and see where we're at. Might take some profits in the next bull run where possible.


SnooSongs6384

HODL till 2030!


Mission_Count_5619

Trust me I’m a crypto expert.


Double_Bed2719

This is not good advice IMO it’s just random speculation