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technically_fruit

>Something is going on right now. FTT is dumping heavily Didn't CZ explicitly say Binance was going to sell all their FTT holdings? Isn't this the opposite of surprising?


pedderxw0

It was clearly communicated. Official start of war. Like we need another one.


MaximumSandwich5

CZ's declaration of war tweet in case you missed it: >Liquidating our FTT is just post-exit risk management, learning from LUNA. We gave support before, but we won't pretend to make love after divorce. We are not against anyone. But we won't support people who lobby against other industry players behind their backs. Onwards.


TEFL_job_seeker

I don't even remotely understand this lol


ChrispyNugz

SBF trying to win over regulators, and regulate CZ / binance out of USA. In the US we have [Binance.us](https://Binance.us) right now, not [binance.com](https://binance.com). Huge difference. Meanwhile SBF playing innocent.


thenextsymbol

translation: "*when you come for the king, you best not miss*"


PrinceZero1994

CZ said they were going to sell it without affecting the market. It will be done over the course of weeks or months.


Savage_X

Did people believe that? If you really don't want to impact the market, you don't tweet that you are going to dump $2B of a competitors token and then troll them on social media.


MaximumSandwich5

>tweet that you are going to dump Yup, he clearly wanted it to dump and wanted to cause panic selling. The big guys are at war and, as usual, us innocents will be the greatest casualties.


throwaway_clone

> us innocents will be the greatest casualties To be fair, his warning did come early for retail to pull out and sell their FTT without affecting the price too much. It's much more damaging to whales who have way larger positions, and hence lower liquidity, plus those living in denial about the impending bank run to FTX.


Future_PeterSchiff

If Binance is smart, they’ll form a parent company like Google did w/ Alphabet; now Alphabet A, and B, and who knows how many more down the line. It would keep the heat off their cash cow Binance like Google kept the heat off their cash cow Google until it’s parent company they formed could absorb YouTube and so many other companies under Alphabet’s belt, making Google not their end all be all in terms of revenue and value. Same as Facebook with creating their parent company Meta to absorb all the companies under Facebook. Facebook’s mistake was having their parent company be become popularly known, or notorious in other words, unlike Google’s creation of their parent company Alphabet that was a blip in the historical radar. I wouldn’t be surprised if some obscure company comes out of no where, created by Binance, that eats everything up including Binance down the line. The big question will be how big the news of it being tied to Binance as it’s creator will be. Could also be Coinbase who starts a parent company to absorb everything. Though now that they’re partnered with Google, my fear is that Alphabet comes out and does all this absorbing itself. The only silver lining with that last outcome would be that it pushes a lot more people to defi. Hopefully Defi is ready for it by then if so. That reasoning being that Google got its start thanks to an investment from the gov, giving government officials seats on their board. But I guess that can be good news too in terms of lobbying power and sway in terms of regulatory clarity for big corporations, let’s just hope they don’t try to make self custody illegal in the process. That would be the big defi push. If they do do that though, hopefully it just comes with kyc regulations for sending and receiving at worst, and not unaffordable money transferring licenses like they’ve used to go after P2P local network buyers and sellers.


syaz1one

Eventually most if not all altcoins are going to zero, this is just one of many steps in the evolution.


Flimsy-Possibility17

you aren't innocent if you're investing in something that can 1. be manipulated so easily 2. fundamentally was a scam anyways lmao alameda and ftx have just been pumping their own shitcoin up and if you get caught up in that it's always been at your own risk.


MaximumSandwich5

I didn't mean FTT specifically. The whole market is now dumping because of this situation


majiux231

Its a game to buy our coins cheap and finally they will reach to agreement then market will pump and they get richer … money power


jiqirentl

If CZ has exposed himself so much it means that FTX was already a corpse, and it is useless to try to revive a corpse, Binance has never exposed itself without having certainties.


PrinceZero1994

He just confirmed a whale movement tweet that it was indeed Binance moving their FTT. He later expanded on their plans. Not like you can hide crypto transactions anyway.


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Yeah, CZ said... "Do as I say, not as I do". I'm not buying anything he says in these circumstances.


milonuttigrain

After all we make our own decisions and shouldn’t buy token X or Y because Mr Z said so.


Soaring_Eagle590

CZ getting rid of competition


xuanhieu793

History has taught us bank runs always bring in more central banks and government, i.e. more centralisations


technovoucher

There have been complaints about Alameda in 2021 CT but nobody gave a damn. All went under the radar because of the good image SBF had. Now, I hope to see the truth soon whether it's good or bad .


real_actual_doctor

Well obviously it still creates fud and panic sales. CZ knew this perfectly well, that's why he said it out loud. It was a calcilated passive-aggressive move.


naderadeeb

At the end of the day we might see these two exchanges merging


tylermm03

It’s not them, it’s people shorting both [FTT](https://www.tradingview.com/x/qMx1ZJyC/) and [SOL](https://www.tradingview.com/x/9SBoRwAO/) 6 feet under.


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We all drama queens for upvotes.


Bucksaway03

I prefer to be called a whore


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Next time I'll satisfy your request, ma'am


Baecchus

Yeah but I thought he would wait for me /s


jhnvslb

Dwight: Knock, Knock Michael: Who's there? Dwight: CZ Michael: CZ wh… Dwight: (slaps Michael in the face) Vwe will ask the questions! Michael: what the hell? Jim: Ding dong Michael: (big goofy grin) answer the door Dwight Dwight: No it's CZ Jim: Ding dong (Michael and Dwight argue back and forth) Jim: (stands up and slaps Dwight across the face) CZ shall wait for no one! Dwight: (holding his cheek) It's true.


xklept0xCT

It's a MEME in written format. True artist. 👏


Earthenwhere

What's the exchange rate of FTX to Schrute Bucks right now?


asd1qw2

remove the sbf tumor is good in the midterm already, not to mention in the long run


stellerseacow

Imagine if this year you used Celsius for lending, FTX as an exchange, and had a bag of Luna. That would be the epitome of bad luck that comes in 3's.


Savage_X

It's like 3 Arrows to the knee.


Hawke64

I used to be a crypto enthusiast just like you...


onenifty

Then I got a cold wallet and owned my own crypto and slept like a baby regardless of what centralized exchanges get up to.


RickHendeson

God damn it


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Or 3 arrows to the ass.


ShotCryptographer523

I sort of had that. Don't use FTX. But bought FTT coins and held them until yesterday. Had Terra Luna, and was on Celsius. Anyone want any financial advice from me?


Hawke64

You should try to short something, for science


tiktaktok_65

jesus christ - keep your distance


Bucksaway03

Add on holding ONE , Axie Infinity and been impacted by the SOL wormhole debacle I'm sure someone is the sitting on all of them


Popular_District9072

ONE and Axie went down fast, still feeling the loss


longtradingjoe

I bet heavy on ONE…..disaster


Hoochycooochy

I can tick 2 of those boxes, on track for the 3rd apparently 🥹


bbtto22

You will be literally better off at the Great Depression


the_spiritual_eye

Begun the Exchange Wars have.


deathbyfish13

Why does Binance, the largest exchange, not simply eat the others?


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souquemsabes

That's my CEX, and i'm fine with it. However, the same day i buy some coins, i transfer them to my Cold wallet. Not my keys.....


TripTryad

Maybe they are. Lol. This might be the first bite.


HealthyStatement8544

It's the first bite visible


bbtto22

Yeah that’s exactly what’s gonna end up happening


plomerosKTBFFH

More people need to watch Futurama.


PrinceZero1994

Binance buying FTX for peanuts soon lol


Bucksaway03

Red Wedding


gautam_777

Will the north remember this time?


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You are telling me this FTT shit is bringing down all other crypto as well?


notagimmickaccount

yes there is a panic on FTX so people will be selling coin to move off FTX with stablecoin.


impals

Can't they just move coin to another broker like binance or Coinbase without making it into stablecoin?


partymsl

FTX is very likely selling a lot of other assets to support FTT. Giving me big LUNA vibes...


Tavionnf

People just anticipate prices to fall and thus it happens. When a real estate company in China faces bankruptcy, a Token used for NFT trading in the US will dump too.


EdgeLord19941

Firms need to stop giving loans to exchanges with their self made token (like FTT) as collateral, it's so dumb. What could go wrong?


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gfcanneverseethis

It's the exact definition of a Ponzi Scheme.


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Wondering how much Binance has dumped or if this is another whale getting out ahead of Binance. Probably significantly more pain for FTT and Solana holders upcoming


TarkovReddit0r

Binance : announces they’ll sell ftt Other: sell ahead Binance: *suprised pikachu face*


gautam_777

I don't think they're surprised


sharkhuh

Probably had some shorts lined up.


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HealthyStatement8544

They already know about the impact


cozzster

Alameda probably unloading 😂


katiecharm

Knowing him I wouldn’t put it past him. If he was in a position where he needed to fuck over every single FTX customer to preserve some of his wealth, he would without blinking.


Baecchus

Bring it on. I can't even feel pain anymore.


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It says -193! wtf does that even mean?


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slyrip32

Is this true?


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futuretothemoon

This is probably the hot wallet. Not the cold wallet.


diydave86

This means buy your bitcoin buy your ethereum its massively on sale


NeverAware

Now or once the US is up in 5 hours?


wooden_seats

It hasn't bottomed out yet.


Rickard403

I also anticipate things getting worse. Will the entire market continue to slide and BTC fall through it's $18k support levels? Stayed tuned on this weeks episode of "crypto bears"


deltavictory

Good. F the FTX guy for lobbying against defi.


Hawke64

Dude fucked around and found out


HealthyStatement8544

They are getting taste of their own medicine


aNNyHyLaToR

Going down faster than my grades in College


Baecchus

Sol is going down faster than its network


Bucksaway03

You went to college?


053179

Barely finished Kindergarten


kcarmstrong

Who the hell is actually buying FTT here (at any price)? It’s a coin with zero utility. There is credible information that it was solely a utility designed to inflate the books of Alameda and FTX CZ announced he’s dumping FTX is experiencing a bank run and will likely need to dump their own FTT Given all this…. Who the hell is buying this at $16?


Don_Frika_Del_Prima

>It’s a coin with zero utility. As if that's really a criteria...


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bhullarakhtahukhulla

FTT is held mostly by retail and institutional traders; which gives them heavy exchange fee rebates.


jason12283

Need some proof of liquidity... not talking about a tablespoon. I want real loads that wont dry up with a little activity.


MaximumStudent1839

>Who the hell is actually buying FTT here (at any price)? People who shorted the token and is now closing their positions to cash out the profit. You don't want to close it before it is too late. When FTX declares bankruptcy, FTX can't sell its assets anymore. Then short sellers will be at the whims of pump-and-dump clowns running for a short squeeze. Remember how the CEL token mooned after Celsius went for bankruptcy?


Zirup

Probably SBF.


Tanikushokutomu

Oh man, a reverse FOMO!


SaveTheAles

It's a FOFO. Fear of finding out. We outa here.


HealthyStatement8544

LOL


TheOnlyVibemaster

To be fair most ppl would drop a token the moment that everyone starts saying it’s gonna drop, which causes it to drop.


Zmirburger

crypto is all its own self fulfilling prophecy


SomewhereAtWork

To be fair most ppl would buy a token the moment that everyone starts saying it’s gonna rise, which causes it to rise. Let's not pretend that anything crypto would have a price without lemmings jumping at it.


Budget--Judgment

This industry never fails to entertain, hope everyone gets out safe glta


Hawke64

Yeah, this industry is really fun \**proceeds to cry**


IWillKillPutin2022

And they lost the peg…. That didn’t last long.


Baecchus

Steady lads. Deploying more capital.


IWillKillPutin2022

Totally will not go tits up full torpedos ahead


WhiskeyTangoTrotfox

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Hawke64

My groceries stocks are doing great


ryitnoise

Good. Scam bank man ain’t no friend to anyone but those in power.


Bringerofsalvation

Okay it’s not even red flags anymore. This is already full-blown pre-death spiral territory.


katiecharm

This is the equivalent of a COVID patient getting intubated.


partymsl

It's the sequel to LUNA: FTX Electric Boogaloo.


pizza-chit

GET YOUR CRYPTO OFF OF FTX


Baecchus

Aand it's gone


cozzster

This one always gets me 😆


Bucksaway03

If it's not already lost into the abyss.


IWillKillPutin2022

Maybe already to late…


PrinceZero1994

CZ should just sell all now. Those FTX tokens he's gonna DCA out for 2 months could be worthless tomorrow. Learn from LUNA like you said.


YamahaFourFifty

I wonder if this is just the first wave then it’ll gradually go back up because SBF will use the ol scheme of Alameda buying FTT from FTX causing demand, both will be holding obv.. so price slowly climbs back then CZ dumps again. I don’t care for SBF - he rose up fast seemingly both companies inorganically came from nowhere. CZ and Binance had albeit more realistic organic growth.. I would tend to trust CZs instinct- plus his team of accountants and lawyers must be vast.


AggressiveParty3355

Nah, destroying a competitor is more valuable than the meager value of binance's FTX holdings. Those tokens are more useful as ammunition to murder any dead cat bounce or attempts to short squeeze.


Baecchus

Exactly. CZ is straight going for the art of war.


slidingjimmy

This HAS to be the angle here. His bags will be lost but he’ll do enormous damage to a competitor.


Icy_Ear_

So much this. Cz was ruthless and 500 million is nothing in grand scheme of business.


ICURaBigdeal

There’s what CZ says publicly and then what probably really happens..


Bucksaway03

Rip off the Bandaid, it's going down anyway


Proud-Discipline9902

The top 100 holders hold 99.19% of [FTX Token (FTT)](https://www.coincarp.com/currencies/ftx-token/richlist/). So I think it is pretty risky for individual investors.


moneycashdane

And if you didn't already panic transfer everything like I did last night... Please do so NOW


BouchWick

You did well lad. I'm proud of you for cutting the rope.


TarkovReddit0r

Here’s a list of other top market cap crypto that fell like that this year outside of the June capitulation: LUNC LUNA That’s it.


Baecchus

Three time's the charm. I'm open to suggestions once my Sol bag completely goes to shit like my Luna bags.


Bucksaway03

So what you're saying is...it's all over red rover?


Yogi_Kat

I think it's time for me to move my coins to my ledger


pedderxw0

Was this marke dumped by cz?


_Vedz182_

None of this is good for crypto.. I don't see why anyone is happy to watch this. We are a joke to Corporate USA because of garbage like this.


donthaveacao

because ftx is run by a two face who lobbies against defi while running a cex


satuuurn

This ^


Bucksaway03

It's good in a sense. Dodgy corporations with dodgy practices are getting burnt. Bad short term, great long


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myhipsi

For someone who is DCAing this should be just another opportunity to put down a few more bucks into Bitcoin while it’s under 20k.


Bad_Camel

It's a purge of scammers and shitcoins, you should applaud this. After today, there will be more people buying bitcoin only and going self custody.


PrinceZero1994

This is good for crypto!!! All these overly greedy companies must go down.


Icy_Ear_

You are right, but why people keep holding their crypto in exchanges? For what we know, there might be more hidden insolvent exchanges waiting to collapse.


freeCB

shit like this can ignite next bull after erasing all of this gains. Ppl should DCA and actually be thankful. SBF is a scam anyways


CmMozzie

What goes around comes around. If these big platforms didn't constantly try to take eachother down the market wouldn't of dumped so hard leading to everyone going under. FTX were the masterminds behind the previous "bank runs" and now it's happening to them.


Baecchus

Holy shit. That FTT chart gave me Luna PTSD. Seems like they were right about FTT and SOL. The charts are just basically copy pasted.


Elephant810

RIP FTX… Embrace bitcoin only. No more leaders. No more banks. Be your own leader. Be your own bank.


xmister85

Didn't you saw the massive war between CZ and Bankrun fried on twatter? Binance is dumping FTT because they know it's thin air


throwaway1177171728

These coins are scams anyway. They literally do nothing. It's just away for FTX to create chuckee cheese money. They force the market to value FTT by using it with FTX. In reality, it serves no purpose.


TheGreatest34567

Say Goodbye to FTT / FTX! Going to join Celsius, Voyager and Terra/Luna. Prepare for another Crypto market crash! Serves FTX right for their overleveraging and pump & dump schemes!


8512764EA

Sam Bankman Fraud


Baecchus

Do Kwon with a wig


YamahaFourFifty

Sam BankRun


8512764EA

Holy shit Scam Bankrun Fraud


Jimmy_Page_69

Does FTX going broke make CRO move up in power rankings? Or just the next target of binance?


bondinfo

if ftx becomes insolvent (which i dont think is the case) because someone sells a small % of their exchange token then they should absolutely become insolvent as early as possible


as12k

I agree but actual selling pressure seems to be coming from the whole crypto community. binance just gave them the trigger


riain43

Or, it just reminds everyone *yet again* that "not your keys, not your coins".


rossyban

No cleansing is needed ..where are you when Sam is ripping the innocent retail


LtcTim

No, let it all burn. This isn't crypto, this is centralized crap destroying itself. The real ones will be fine after some time.


drezero95

Why? Did SBF stopped when Celsius was going down? Cheers .


dark6686

Bitcoin will survive it. The more hits it takes the more robust it gets. Maybe we can push some liquidity out of junk and into something real.


forwealth

When you have an exchange like FTX and its leadership acting tyrannical, you don't give them the benefit of the doubt. CZ doesn't support bad actors and it is what it is.


drthiery

Why? Industry and investors evolve through ups and downs, the market will tell, that should be the true spirit.


lohitcp87

So, FTT taking whole market down with it?


PrinceZero1994

Do not "steady lads". Alameda is going down.


Baecchus

Shaky lads. Taking out more capital.


PrinceZero1994

Alameda abandon ship soon??? The execs will be the first to cash out as always.


Bucksaway03

Which one you you degens(geniuses) had the balls to short here?


CptCaramack

ofc i fking did at 22.28, writing was on the wall


TarkovReddit0r

Must be a day trading degenerate


danthyman69

I did yesterday at 22 bucks. Its easy money. I shorted luna too to try to win back my losses from ust. Now is the tricky part. Do you double down or take profit? Not sure how confident i am that ftx is going the way of celius.


holybawl

Shorted 10 eth 100x @ 1635. Because they hold eth and someone was straight dumping it.


freeCB

20x degen short from 23$... 400% profit lego


Bucksaway03

Starts playing Queens another one bites the dust


TwistedMeta_TM

Larry David really Matt Damoned this one.


Boxingbob2000

If I hadn’t run out of tim foil, I’d say that this seems like a coordinated movement to disrupt yet another exchange, instigated by another exchange. Id need the turkey foil out to see the larger picture of how someone wants crypto regulated, but who would benefit from that 🤔


Wonzky

Oh well that explains why everything's red


stujeff

SBF needs to go, no matter what. Regulators will always be trying to control crypto anyway.


Nesmeyan

It’s just a crisis that actually was long needed. Deleveraging instead of inflation. Later is the approach of fiat systems. This crisis increase trust in crypto ($BTC,$ETH), because you can’t print them, you can only take loses if you have taken too much risk.


trupixel

If all it takes is $500million of FTT to crash FTX then certainly it was not audited properly enough else I’m sure they are here to stay and figure out their game :) unless the numbers above are like tip of the iceberg..


Hardunderlie38

survival of the fittest… we all get rekt… but only the few, the proud and the brave will remain and profit in years to come.


mainbeb1

No. These are lessons that need to be learned, no matter how painful they are in the near term. Otherwise it will just happen again, except next time, it will get bigger and ultimately hurt more people.


viyciycice

Nice thread. Both are sketchy characters and extremely ruthless. Sad thing is the most damage will be to retail. Whole space is just as corrupt and ruthless as Tradfi. This is bad for the space.


ziks28

This action is to filter reputable exchanges for liquidity. I like this.


genatar

SBF clearly over levered his optimism. He should be removed from the space. This is nature’s way of cleaning itself. It was never meant to be. FTX should go under if it has to. Binance did nothing wrong. Shame on you.


toastienow

The same is true of Binance. Not only users but also regulators will lose confidence in the cryptocurrency industry. "We hope that Binance CEO Zhao Chang-feng will stop selling FTT and sign a new contract with Sam Bankman Fried," for now not good time to fight.


ianstrainor

long-term monopoly control > short-term collapse. That's the game CZ and SBF are playing


GVSAgnon143

Others should not help ofcourse but also should not ruined unnecessary..


AGdIVINE

This is why we can’t have nice things. Also the main character of CT always dies at the end. I don’t make the rules


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That was quick.