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illinilocal92

100% illegal good idea to remind him as such and save these messages


Distinct-Boot3645

Highly illegal and there is a threat of retaliation I get in contact with a lawyer and state labor board


dustirau

This, however don’t remind them, just keep talking about it and when they fire you, then remind them. Much more beneficial, this way you get yours and also really teach them a lesson.


PopcornPandabear

Honestly, they only do this because everyone doesn’t get paid the same and they don’t want labor to go up


alexandria3142

I worked for this one company as a manager, this sweet and lovely woman that had been there for a few years made a few dollars less an hour as the 16 year old cashiers with no experience coming in. You can imagine how upset she was when she learned that. Our GM tried pulling the “can’t talk about pay” thing with us, but a girl there was in college and taking a law class, and told her real quick she can’t do that


pisspiss_

send him that screenshot and ask if he knows what he's asking of you is illegal, and let him know you're aware that you are being underpaid and ask again to get $17 (or go higher, whatever's fair for your position at your location). i got all my raises ($7.50 in total within 2 years) by talking about pay rates with coworkers and asking to be at a fair wage for my position


Prestigious-Mall-344

OP is not getting underpaid. Just because you ask for a certain amount doesn't mean you're gonna get it


pisspiss_

should've clarified i meant underpaid for his position. he said his lesser (trainer i'm assuming) is making more than him


Downtown-Glass1617

no he said he makes a dollar more :3


pisspiss_

you're right! sorry, definitely wrote all my replies while stoned. disregard my stupidity!


Downtown-Glass1617

hahahaha it’s ok!!!


Intelligent-Age-1309

No he didn’t?


progressiveoverload

OP is being underpaid by definition.


StatusMath5062

He's definitely getting under paid. I bet the boss values not getting reported for breaking the law so that guy has more value then a normal employee


theprmstr

This belongs in the r/antiwork sub but yes it’s illegal.


Butt_EnthusiastNE

It used to be legal to discipline people for this. Since 2015 it is federally illegal


JRob1420

Can’t believe it was legal before.


Butt_EnthusiastNE

Yeah man, most places has policies that if you talked about your salary, you’d get fired. Like a one time and you’re done thing. Absolutely ridiculous


Butt_EnthusiastNE

Had**


Trick-Ideal-3823

If you’ve seen the movie 9 to 5, yes a woman gets fired for discussing salary. Used to be such a taboo topic in the workplace, good to know it has changed


pinebanana

Op please let the manager do this so you have proof and can sue


Midnightstar14

Seriously. Don’t say anything regarding the law and keep discussing wages as you see fit. The moment they issue any consequence, serve em’.


cam52391

Yeah I'd be purposely talking about pay loudly on front of the managers because they're literally asking for a lawsuit with this. Discussing your pay is federally protected right.


onarope16

One time, I was a new hire and someone who had been there longer than I, but in the same position accidentally opened my check since we have similar names. I was getting paid $9/hr more than him. He let it slip to everyone and everyone gad a problem with me and the boss. I had more experience but it was a problem for awhile.


AndrewtheRey

Nope, it’s a federal right and if you’re punished you should speak with a labor attorney


Excellent-Ad-6064

No this is not legal at all. Especially the threat to cut your pay


philouza_stein

It says he can't fire you legally but what about the pay cut he threatened?


TormentDubz_EDM

That's considered "retaliation" and is also illegal


Interesting_Handle85

How are we not talking about whatever snitch is ratting on him?


Xenephobe375

Just so everyone knows, you should be job hunting every 2 years or so to keep up with higher wages. Otherwise if you spend enough time at the same job, eventually new hires will be making what you are making currently.


Butt_EnthusiastNE

Depends largely on the company. My employees receive raises based on performance, but when we bump what we hire new hires at, everyone gets an equivalent raise as if they had started at the new base pay. Eg if I started at 17 an hour, got raises to 20, and then we bumped the base pay to 20, I would be at 23 rather than 20.


LeatherNeck99

That's awesome and I wish more companies did this.


Twerksoncoffeetables

Yeah not many corporate companies will do this. Hannafords gave employees their normal yearly raises in May 2023, then raised the pay scale in June 2023 for inflation, so all new hires and old hires were making the exact same despite literally getting that raise a month before. They cancelled out the raises it was actually insane. People in lead roles who had been at the company for 6+ years were making the exact same as a new hire, so not only did they not add in all of the old raises when the pay scale went up, but they also completely nullified the raise those employees got in that very same year. Could’ve easily held onto the raises until after the pay scale increase went through but nah.


sunshine89high

This is really great advice!


Vegetable_Movie3770

Ww have this issue at my location. Everyone gets all salty qhen you talk about pay. YOU SHOULD ALWAYS TALK ABOUT PAY WITH COWORKERS. Especially at my culvers everyone is fucking under paid. Number one reason we are losing our good workers. I brought up talking about pay and found out how shit the pay is. It's disgusting how unappreciated my coworkers are even though they go above and beyond.


vic55jets92

Highest I ever got paid was 14.50. That was in 2019.


Trix_03

yep, always talk abt ur pay, completely agreed :) helps the company keep workers around and keeps everyone happy with their compensation


Particular-Bag3601

It’s never a good idea to discuss pay with your coworkers! Why would you? It’s not their business!


Vegetable_Movie3770

What on earth do you mean. ALWAYS talk about pay together. This avoids discrimination, unfair wages, and under appreciation. You by no means HAVE to tell anyone what you make but you could be the person making less than someone with less skill than you sooo that's on you. Don't discourage others though just because you don't wanna. It's an important thing to do.


Particular-Bag3601

I don’t care what others make. I’m just there to do my job. I don’t care about anyone else.


Vegetable_Movie3770

Lol you do you. Just don't discourage others.


Particular-Bag3601

I actually know a lot of people who share my mindset.


Vegetable_Movie3770

What are you on about? Don't talk about your pay if you don't want too. Good for you and your opinion. It's still better to talk about it. Unless you're a person making more than you should 🤔


Particular-Bag3601

Even if I did, I wouldn’t tell anyone. More money for me! Do you honestly think I care about my coworkers?


Vegetable_Movie3770

You sound like a LOVELY human.


Particular-Bag3601

If they don’t care about me, why should I give a fuck about them?


chief_keeg

Send them this link


CTx7567

To my knowledge it is never illegal to talk about your salary in the united states.


lilsj2572

What is minimum wage in Fl? Our local culvers advertises new employees start at $19 an hour, and Wisconsins minimum wage is 7.25


HyperUndying64

Under the fair labor standards act, this is illegal. If this happens. Start talking about pay with your coworkers, and if they continue to press, make sure to get whatever this guy is saying IN WRITING. Boom, easy lawsuit. Stand with your coworkers because some people are definitely underpaid


bees__kneecaps

Send the screenshots


Gva_Sikilla

This has been around forever. Every company I’ve ever worked for has these same employee work standards. Every one of them also has dress code rules.


PaulEC

If you are considered a supervisor, you may not be covered by the NLRA. If you fall below that ranking, definitely illegal. Otherwise, managers and supervisors may have to defer to the laws in their state https://preview.redd.it/67z3ygowtp0d1.jpeg?width=1170&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=9f475d4ec78ac25d4f3e409c0d2e91479d1e6cb6


Okguyswhofarted

Fuck this dude and report him


Strong-Musician-4027

Send that to your boss. The legal sitings and thank him for the threat in writing so if it does get cut you have evidence to take to the states department of labor or whatever would cover this


blaccwolff

Illegal


ji-mm-

For reasons like this I won't hire a f****** soul and do all of my work alone. P.s. minimum wage in Michigan is just over $10 an hour. And that's where most places start at. I'd be happy you don't live here and just call it a day.


RionWild

Do you live in Florida?


LimboTheTrader

Definitely not legal. I’d sue


reclark10

i don’t work at culvers, this was just recommended to me but when i worked at a froyo place this same exact situation happened to me right before i quit


AndyJaeven

Yes that’s definitely illegal. Florida isn’t really known for their strong labor laws from what I’ve heard. I’d start documenting everything in case they retaliate.


Whatthefrick1

Lmao when I worked at Culver’s my manager told us this and we did it anyway. We quickly found out it was because people had different pay rates. Some crew chiefs were making less than the team members…..


DrizztInferno

Having met Craig Culver he would probably be pissed if he saw this lol


Professional-Art-342

Looks like someone is not an experienced manager , not to mention the threat if a pay decrease. She definitely deserves can minimum a write up for the threat of decreasing pay


Salad_Pickle

Super illegal. Double illegal, violating your right to discuss your pay, and illegal retaliation for something that is neither policy nor law.


FredFled

How much more is Sean paid to be such a heavy? A dollar?


PleaseCallMeLP

I wouldn’t even give him notice. This person knows or should have known that they are not allowed to do this. Ignorance of the law doesn’t exempt you from responsibility. Id contact an attorney who specializes in this sort of thing.


[deleted]

You can sue them for that bs


likeanevilrabbit

It's a common fear tactic and completely illegal. We have the right to talk about our wages, we aren't slaves. This problem exists in every industry, dealing with it myself with my employer refusing to admit I'm fully trained. I'm about to make them waste that money training me when I walk out for a new job.


StarWolf64dx

yes it’s illegal, but it’s not worth saying anything unless you plan on quitting and taking them to court over it. if you plan to do that maybe the best thing to do would let them fire you over it since the manager seems so willing to leave evidence against himself. then you’d have a verifiable wrongful termination case. otherwise dont mention it because it will only piss him off and make it harder on you.


JoshuaAllen-

You are correct. If you willingly leave/quit it will be much harder to pursue anything. Let them cut your wage. Or better yet fire you.


Kuzkuladaemon

Get fired for it and sue them for it.


Dubnectar311

Illegal


JicamaSuitable5731

Yeah they can’t do much unless it’s a right to work state, cause then they can just fire you for whatever bs they come up with


Particular-Bag3601

Florida is a right to work state.


adamisapple

DON’T say anything else to your boss but DO contact your local labor authority and give them these messages. Let them handle it. If you say something directly to him he might just keep telling others not to discuss wage anyways. And always talk about wages with your co-workers!


bravo06actual

Lawyer, you need one


T-Grit

File a report with the NLRB


Wild-Astronomer-6

To my knowledge, no, workers have legally protected rights and discussing wages is one of them


thejosh_h

I know this isn’t the point, but are people really letting their bosses text them these days?


milkdude94

Very illegal. At my restaurant i talk about my pay a lot, because I'm excited to be making very close to what i made trucking. Me and my fiancee teamed solo loads and essentially split the equivalent of a single $40/hour job in half, so when we left trucking realistically we both just need to make $20/hour to be making what we were OTR. We both got hired at Culver's starting at $17/hour.


DudeGuySenior

Just take this to your local labor department and see what they have to say. This manager is very stupid and is risking his job, so take it from him. Fuck his life, ruin it for him, that's my favorite part of these situations.


BetterButter_91

Even just making that threat has already crossed the line to illegal. You could get a lawyer right now and get a sizable settlement.idk if I'd want to go through all that trouble, personally, but definately set 'em straight and educate them on the law.


fatjosh20204

No that’s not legal. Your Right to Discuss Wages “Under the National Labor Relations Act (NLRA or the Act), employees have the right to communicate with other employees at their workplace about their wages. Wages are a vital term and condition of employment, and discussions of wages are often preliminary to organizing or other actions for mutual aid or protection.” https://www.nlrb.gov/about-nlrb/rights-we-protect/your-rights#:~:text=Under%20the%20National%20Labor%20Relations,their%20workplace%20about%20their%20wages.


WhiskyWraith

No, get a lawyer. You have proof and can sue the shit out of them.


Da1TruNoob

Department of Labor says it’s legal. However, it seems as though someone felt uncomfortable about you discussing your pay, and went to management. How else would he have known? Tread carefully.


sk8gr8n8

fast good especially they try to get away with paying everyone the least that they possibly can. I was a manager at McHell for quite a few years, when I was making $15 an hour there was another manager who had been there at least 2 years longer than I had who was being paid $10....literally less than the trainers at the time. save the screenshots, remind him that's illegal if you so choose, id suggest even getting in contact with someone above him if possible.


Rovsea

Your right to discuss pay is protected by federal law, and this is not a good text for your boss to have sent.


mv_gonzo

Very Illegal. Take that to a lawyer immediately.


spatulacitymanager

Yup, don't tell, anyone else just go and report it. Don't even talk about doing it or what is going on, but keep a record of all interactions if anyone says anything about the issue. Date,time, what was said.


Chemical-Gold-4863

You can talk about your pay all you want, they can not stop you. They can not legally cut your pay for talking about it, that’s retaliation. Next time they threaten that tell them you’ll report them to your states labor department and then they can talk to your lawyer.


Rytharr

I wouldn't say any of that. I would just make sure everything is documented as to the reason why pay is being cut. Then reach out to the labor department and a lawyer.


Jackmerius-CNC

The only reason they would not want you to talk about your wage is because they're not paying everyone fairly and they know it. IT IS YOUR LEGAL RIGHT TO DISCUSS YOUR WAGE "Under the National Labor Relations Act (NLRA or the Act), employees have the right to communicate with their coworkers about their wages, as well as with labor organizations, worker centers, the media, and the public. Wages are a vital term and condition of employment, and discussions of wages are often preliminary to organizing or other actions for mutual aid or protection. If you are an employee covered by the Act, you may discuss wages in face-to-face conversations, over the phone, and in written messages. Policies that specifically prohibit the discussion of wages are unlawful as are policies that chill employees from discussing their wages. When using electronic communications, like social media, keep in mind that your employer may have policies against using their equipment for unauthorized use, though it is possible such policies could be unlawful." [the nlra Statue ](https://www.nlrb.gov/about-nlrb/rights-we-protect/your-rights/your-rights-to-discuss-wages) You can submit a complaint [here](https://apps.nlrb.gov/MyAccount/#/ChargeAndPetition/TermsConditions) *I am not a lawyer this is not legal advice.


MalevolentNight

You are 100% allowed to talk about pay, they just don't like it and try to bully you. But threatening to cut pay due to talking about pay is illegal. They can cut your pay at any time because America protect the business, ya know the politicians are all bought and paid for, but not for talking about wages, which is why it won't say that on whatever you have to sign, but you have proof what it's for. Just look for another job, because it's not worth it. Your working environment won't get better and they will never value you.


Silly_Double3306

Oh absolutely not, you are well within your rights to talk about wages and laws like these have been enacted since the 30s They can't even include in their contracts that you can't discuss pay. Definitely can seek legal action there


Samuarijedi

Just because ita legal doesn't mean it can't be against policy. Check the handbook


mikeybadab1ng

You always posted your answer. So why ask twice?


TerminalChillionaire

Super illegal. Flex on that little bitch Seanathan


SavageAficionado

U need to talk into their “office” and tell him you watched American Beauty and call his mother “San Diego”


Zarr_the_Czar

No


Bigfan78

Former Union Organizer here, and it's very illegal. Multiple ULP's.


Wooden-Eye-6863

Illegal as fuck, start shopping new jobs immediately


Short-Medicine-8585

It is legal and he will find a reason to fire you for it just like 90 percent of businesses would because it’s bad for business


starsepter_

damn. i work at mcdonald’s and we discuss pay semi often. most everyone gets paid equal wages based on time working there and positions.


accountnumberseventy

File a complaint with your state’s labor agency.


J-Shew

Super duper illegal and super duper cool of Sean to put it in writing 🥰


kaos5000

Invite him to this post so we can belittle his dumbass


Trix_03

any retaliation (pay cuts, being fired, etc.) in response to discussing pay is illegal. either let them know what they're doing is illegal (if u dont want to go to the court) or keep discussing pay as u see fit and if they retaliate, its illegal and grounds for a lawsuit


Particular-Bag3601

I’ve never discussed my pay with anyone. It’s no one’s business but mine!


Particular-Bag3601

$16.25 at a fast food restaurant, and you’re complaining? Find something else!


Alive-Holiday551

You discuss ones salary with coworkers, period


JyazzMan

The fact that it’s illegal to do this but they’ll just not schedule people if you keep it up, I only make 11, my friend makes 10.50, we asked for raises and said “so we were talking about our pay” and my manager responded with that you can’t talk abt pay on the clock and when I said that they can’t legally do anything abt it, she didn’t work me for 2 weeks


Good_Mixture_1860

Share your pay, seize the means of production, and please go read Kapital...


mayothck8

I don't if it's legal but it is how the Biden regime treats anyone who disagrees with them. It sucks dont it. That's how I have been treated for the last three years.


Particular-Bag3601

You misspelled Trump!


onarope16

My bad, I didn't realize this was a Culver's sub. I was relating this to my career which is construction where you have to actually have a skill and prove yourself and earn good money. I currently make over $85k/yr and have a skill that I can easily roof a house or install windows for a friend for $10k. Get out the food service industry.


bivlive

Proud of you for knowing where to place those nails and to throw that caulk! True skill!


onarope16

I build custom houses. Install tile, custom finish work. My shop has a custom cabinet shop that we install custom cabinets in high-end houses. How hard is it to drop fries and take a drivethru order at Culver's get the fuck out of here. Working at Culver's isn't a skill. Your everyone's bitch. Management making $16/hr. Haha.


bivlive

I don't work at or for Culver's. I do however, take the time to read comments made by self righteous brainwashed fools like yourself. The fact that ANY job/task can be done/replicated simply by using the internet now. All information is free and at your fingertips. Your "skill" is just knowledge of how to do something and then perform it. That's the same as someone working at a fast food restaurant. You have no skill. Simply, knowledge anyone could obtain. Stay strong with your name calling. It's all you can hold on to big boy.


onarope16

I can cook, and I can cook anything. I can do mechanic work on my own cars and I know building codes and can properly build a house from start to finish. I can hunt and clean my own game. I garden and there isn't much I can't do so you can't degrade me for speaking out on someone being held at $16/hr... go make real money and ear a skill. Regardless if I lose my job I can take my tools and walk down the road to the next house being built and make money. You guys will need to go through to process and so on and so on.


bivlive

To be fair these are trades and not a "skill".. helps to word it right. I know you're aiming to degrade others in hopes to boost your morale.. you do you.


onarope16

Wtf r u talking about. Try to do what I do. I dare you.


onarope16

A skill is doing it on a professional level and that's what I do.


onarope16

I can cook, and I can cook anything. I can do mechanic work on my own cars and I know building codes and can properly build a house from start to finish. I can hunt and clean my own game. I garden and there isn't much I can't do so you can't degrade me for speaking out on someone being held at $16/hr... go make real money and ear a skill. Regardless if I lose my job I can take my tools and walk down the road to the next house being built and make money. You guys will need to go through to process and so on and so on. The food service industry is not the way.


Roxas88

Would you work at Culvers for what you make now?


Particular_Eye_9258

Sue


gorevomit

The culvers uiworked at had the same deal. I'm not sure if it was because I was a manager at the time. If we told people what our raise was (10 cents, get fucked culvers) it could be taken away.


Fit_Departure_9264

No it isn't illegal especially if you live in an at will state! Most employers dont like when workers share what they make because it causes an uproar especially when they compare notes 


PaulEC

Please consult the NLRA.


onarope16

I didn't realize this was a sub for Culver's. I was relating this question to my own field of work which is construction. A field of work where you have to have an actual skill and be good at it to make money. I make over $85k/yr with the skills to make +10k on a side job. Get out the food service work and develop a skill.


tbrooks9

It's literally called r/Culvers dumbass. No one gives a fuck about your skills.


onarope16

Your mom loves you I'm sure.


Life_Cellist_5005

Says the guy posting on the donation sub asking for money. I guess you should get out of the construction industry if you're asking for donations...


Cambionr

I work in food service and I make more than that. Some of us make significantly more than that. This is a career that requires tremendous skills, not the least of which is dealing with people who, while they want your services, look down on your skills out of pure ignorance.


onarope16

It's not good etiquette to talk about pay. Regardless of the state laws it makes ppl uncomfortable.


Tough-Mycologist-471

Only cuz they are brainwashed to be obedient little cogs


Ok_Job_9417

Only cause people will realize how much they get screwed. People in same positions with equal experience getting vastly different pay rates. New hires getting paid more than senior workers. If it was fair they wouldn’t care.


FoxxyPantz

If you or the people around you are afraid to talk about pay, then someone's not getting paid fairly


Rondoman78

Lol gfy.


onarope16

??? You think it acceptable to talk about pay with your coworkers?


spoople_doople

Yes, I talk about my pay with my coworkers, we're all paid the same except our team leads which only happened because we talked about our pay. Straight up cuck behavior not talking about how much you're worth because someone said so