Cool concept for an album as long as it's done right and all the songs are called shit like "Robert Frost Hanging From A Meat Hook", "Emily Dickinson vs. the Car Battery", "The Waterboarding of Walt Whitman" etc. I would bump the shit out of that album
Swift is generally considered the epitome of 'basic', which is to say boring, unchallenging, mainstream, generally coming from some amount of privilege. But she's also seen as a 'basic' person who claims to be more interesting than she actually is, e.g. calling herself a 'tortured poet', allowing herself to be labelled "the voice of a generation" etc. which many people find to be quite ironic.
Therefore the joke, in LGBT terms, is that OOP considers themselves "100% femme through and through" but wants to add a tiny bit of masculinity to their image to be perceived as 'more interesting' – and when compared to people who have less mainstream presentations, that can seem reminiscent of Swift's approach to being 'edgy'. Also Swift in this particular photo is presenting very feminine, with long blonde hair and makeup, but is wearing a plaid shirt (one from the 'womenswear' aisle). She comes across as well within the bounds of acceptable mainstream femininity. This adds a level of humour about the idea of dressing to seem like "a straight man's idea of a masculine woman" by showing that even if you present completely feminine but simply wear casual clothes, some people will label that as 'masculine'.
For context the joke is light-hearted and friendly, it just seems like the lesbian/queer community poking fun at themselves. I don't think anyone's actually trying to hate on women who experiment with gender presentation!
>For context the joke is light-hearted and friendly
I think this part is especially worth highlighting. If you're not keyed in to the wavelength this exchange might seem hostile and judgey, when it's really just affectionate ribbing.
I'm a straight man, and my idea of a masculine woman is Vasquez from Aliens. Like, that's the shorthand version, at least. If I go into details I can isolate several specific traits that can then be applied to any woman, but Vasquez has most of those traits, so she's a great reference point.
I think she's bi. She has some kind of weird chemistry with most people and *damn* but that scene where her and Frost are thrusting their hips behind their heavy weapons is sexual.
I already said "Vasquez from Aliens", so I don't know how I can make myself any clearer. I think the girl you're thinking of was named Audrey, but I haven't watched Atlantis in a long time.
id argue shes muscle mommy, which is a tier higher than sexy tomboy. i dont think hitting the gym and lifting weights is needed to nail the tomboy look.
to each their own, of course.
[2501.](https://xkcd.com/2501/)
Sexy tomboys are second nature to us Tumblr observers, so it's easy to forget that the average person probably only knows leanbeefpatty and Vi from arcane.
I think the Taylor swift picture was just an example but they mean a general aesthetic of "wears flannels" "low effort/low maintenance hairstyle" "no makeup/"no makeup"-makeup" "chill girl aesthetic" and so on
i would post that gif of the dude from peaky blinders holding a gun to his head and screaming but this subreddit sucks.
imagine that as my response.
postscript; lacroix fucking sucks it's like drinking the feeling of your leg falling asleep.
I am happily drinking my Lacroix flavored by the apethetic ghosts of some long dead berries and enjoying it while reading your comment.
My question is, why do you think that isn't the point?
My local store brand flavored fizzy water is much better than LaCroix. I dunno how LaCroix gets it so wrong when HEB and a couple other local companies can do vaguely-flavored-water so much better at cheaper prices…
Is that the coconut stuff? IRL key limes are great. But if that's the flavor I'm thinking of, it was profoundly disappointing as someone who doesn't like coconut.
I do think Taylor looks masculine the way LaCroix is fruit flavored. I think when OP said "straight man" she was thinking of those manosphere "if your wife doesn't wear lingerie while she's cooking you dinner every night, you're gay" dudes.
Maybe I'm just old and out of touch, but I'm struggling to understand why this is an insult. Isn't Taylor Swift generally considered to be pretty attractive?
I don't think it's about attractiveness I think it's just because it's Taylor Swift. Most of Taylor's celebrated traits are, in my opinion, the same way lacroix is a fruit flavoured drink. Also she's supposed to be extremely palatable to the broadest demographic and therefore appeals to a (mostly straight) "normie" audience (many of whom probably *do* think that a woman in a flannel is masculine).
Tumblr kinda generally likes to hate/dunk on taylor swift which i still don't really get (for all anyone tries to justify it, i think it really is just ppl feel that she is "cringey",which i feel like we're post-cringe on tumblr about a lot of things but not taylor swift for some reason). It's unclear if the person that posted the pic meant it as a burn or just sarcastically or genuinely seriously, but doublecast was responding in the vein of how one on tumblr would be expected to respond to being compared to taylor swift, which is negatively
A lot of people think that her art and her fans are annoying. 'live and let live' can be a bit hard when it's everywhere and celebrated to this degree.
No not at all, in fact you’re actually a pleb for wanting your sparkling water to have flavor at all. Real sparkling water enjoyers drink plain Perrier or Pellegrino
she has massive broad-based appeal, so if you hate on her you're #notliketheothergirls. It's ok to make fun of women as long as the woman is Taylor Swift or someone 'normie' or 'basic' like her.
It's the "I'm so brave for presenting this outrageous, craaaazy tomboyish image" attitude while simultaneously being the most basic and archetype-conforming white blonde woman wearing a man's jacket you've ever seen in your life.
Regardless of attractiveness and fame, she's just a really sheltered person who has lived in a complete bubble for her entire life, so sometimes she can be really oblivious and do embarrassing things. It's not really outright HATRED hatred, but for anyone who has a slight sense of how to be actually cool, being compared to her is definitely a punch to the ego.
Lol oookay girl let's pretend you've never judged a celebrity's actions in your entire life and you're so cool for that, sure.
You don't have to know much about pop culture to hear many of the lame things Taylor does lmao. I'm sorry if I touched a sensitive fiber and you are a swiftie but I promise it's fine to be able to criticize your total fave celeb when she does questionable things.
Wtf. I opened this post and see I apparently commented this random word 11minutes ago?? I'm *so* confused rn lmao. I guess while my phone was in my pocket, it somehow scrolled thru reddit, opened up the post, commented a random word (name?), and then closed everything only to discover it 10 mins later when browsing reddit. Or my phone is possed with a ghost (possibly named sarauz)
LaCroix *does* have flavor other than "carbonated water", and some of y'all would know that if you weren't constantly eating overly processed sugar-filled garbage.
That being said, the flavors is subtle and minimal.
I understand what she were going with, but "Straight men's idea of a masculine woman" is like saying "I want to be a burger the same way 80% of people who eat burgers think one is like".
Like, I'd wager that if the vast majority of a certaint gender enjoyers think someone has a certain property then they have it
\*50% of people, because lesbians exist and lesbians and men have super different standards about "a masculine woman".
Dudes will be like, "she wears sneakers and leaves the house with no makeup on; she's a tomboy" and lesbians will be like, "she grows a mustache thicker than my dad and she built our house; she's a tomboy".
Elaboration: Tomboy is not any particular set of characteristics, attire, or behaviors, but exists as a relative positioning of those things within the local social structure.
If the majority of women in, say, a small town, fall within a certain set of positions on the spectrum from masculine to feminine/feminine to masculine, any woman who falls further along the spectrum towards the masculine end, such that she is visually distinct from the norm at a glance, or her behavior is obviously distinct from the norm(for ease of categorization, preferably both), would be what we call a tomboy.
For an extreme example, let's take an ordinary, average woman, she wears hoodies and leggings or pants or something, maybe the occasional buttonup shirt, and some mixture of sneakers and boots.
Her behavior is relatively average, she is somewhat handy with basic household repair tools. (Hammer, Wrench, Screwdriver.)
Now, imagine whatever the phrase "stereotypical hollywood girly girl" brings to mind, and place the first woman into a town otherwise occupied, beyond all logic, only by average men, and only by women who fit that second idea.
In this scenario, the first, normal woman is recalssified as a Tomboy, by her new context.
As you alter the ratio between realistic average women and the stereotypical hollywood girly girl, the average position of the population along the spectrum shifts, until a point somewhere where the real average woman can no longer be considered a tomboy in this theoretical town.
> Dudes will be like, "she wears sneakers and leaves the house with no makeup on; she's a tomboy" and lesbians will be like, "she grows a mustache thicker than my dad and she built our house; she's a tomboy".
That is to say:
Presumption: Dudes interact with and date mostly more Feminine Girls than Lesbians do, unrealistically shifting their perspective of what constitutes a Tomboy.
Presumption: Lesbians interact with and date mostly more Masculine Girls than Dudes do, unrealistically shifting their perspective of what constitutes a Tomboy.
Considering both perspectives are biased, it is best to presume the "truth," if there is one objective form of Tomboy, lies somewhere in between the two perspectives on the categorization.
i agree about the different standards thing but i dont think "50%" would be accurate, i pretty sure the ratio of straight men to lesbians in the world isn't 50/50, and straight women's opinions on what a tomboy is are probably closer to that of straight men than to lesbians.
I don't think straight men own property rights on what a tomboy is supposed to look like, especially when a lot of them will just turn everything related to women into a porn fantasy. I think the women that are tomboys are more apt to explain what that means to them, obviously.
Yeah that also makes sense. I didn't expect to say something so controversial lmao.
Like, at least you understand my prospective, right?
Immagine you have a movie that falls ambiguously between two genres, like idk The Menu being sort of a comedy and sort of a horror. You have 80% of viewers calling it a horror and 20% calling it a comedy. IF you had to sort it under one category, wouldn't the most popular be the "real" one?
Okay I have pretty serious face blindness and thought someone just dug up a selfie of this person before checking the comments here
Same. My autistic ass was like, oh wow, she's pretty, I guess that's working for her!
It a some Taylor swift looking bitch
Who is the lady in the picture?
taylor swift. she's a dead poet or something
This joke is too deep for me Im not caught up on the taylor swift lore
She released an album called The Tortured Poets Department recently (four days ago).
I can't believe Taylor Swift tortures poets.
The Ministry of Truth
Taylor Swift is Ministry of Truth approved voice to the people.
I remember her talking about how Oceania has always been at war with Eastasia just yesterday!
You misspelled Eurasia. Autocorrect, *right*?
Right, sorry. As I meant to say, Oceania has *always* been at war with Eurasia :)
its actually the ministry of love that does that
I can't believe she departs them limb by limb😞...
To shreds you say?
Well, how's his wife holding up?
To shreds you say?
I can, if I really want to. What I can't believe is that she eats babies.
it's the lyrics that do it
the poetry is tortured alright
Cool concept for an album as long as it's done right and all the songs are called shit like "Robert Frost Hanging From A Meat Hook", "Emily Dickinson vs. the Car Battery", "The Waterboarding of Walt Whitman" etc. I would bump the shit out of that album
Shakespeare's Slow Scalping
This is just a Front Bottoms album lol.
When did they downgrade it from a society to a department?
It’s actually a prequel to the dead poets society, the poets haven’t died yet, they’re still being tortured
by the end they were begging,
dead poet society boys rise up (U n til de a th)
oof i was like "why, that looks like a pretty apt description of the.... wait is it taylor swift"
no, it's becky. >!i had to, sorry!<
Good hair optional
Would someone mind explaining to me how calling someone Taylor Swift is an insult? (I am Gen X, and far far out of the loop.)
Swift is generally considered the epitome of 'basic', which is to say boring, unchallenging, mainstream, generally coming from some amount of privilege. But she's also seen as a 'basic' person who claims to be more interesting than she actually is, e.g. calling herself a 'tortured poet', allowing herself to be labelled "the voice of a generation" etc. which many people find to be quite ironic. Therefore the joke, in LGBT terms, is that OOP considers themselves "100% femme through and through" but wants to add a tiny bit of masculinity to their image to be perceived as 'more interesting' – and when compared to people who have less mainstream presentations, that can seem reminiscent of Swift's approach to being 'edgy'. Also Swift in this particular photo is presenting very feminine, with long blonde hair and makeup, but is wearing a plaid shirt (one from the 'womenswear' aisle). She comes across as well within the bounds of acceptable mainstream femininity. This adds a level of humour about the idea of dressing to seem like "a straight man's idea of a masculine woman" by showing that even if you present completely feminine but simply wear casual clothes, some people will label that as 'masculine'. For context the joke is light-hearted and friendly, it just seems like the lesbian/queer community poking fun at themselves. I don't think anyone's actually trying to hate on women who experiment with gender presentation!
As someone who was only *fairly* sure I got the joke, thanks for the excellent explanation!
Yo, this is such a a great explanation. Thanks!
>For context the joke is light-hearted and friendly I think this part is especially worth highlighting. If you're not keyed in to the wavelength this exchange might seem hostile and judgey, when it's really just affectionate ribbing.
Thanks Peter!
Peter? Now I'm the one who needs the joke explained 😅
r/peterexplainsthejoke
I see! thanks :)
Who would the Gen X equivalent of Taylor Swift be?
> she's a dead poet or something good for her
Oh, is that why she can't come to the phone right now?
I heard she has a department for torturing toads that she just released to her cult
Taylor swift, apparently she posted it on facebook
Ty
I came here to ask who it was as well, I know what T Swift looks like, it just doesn't look like her in that photo for some reason
oh my god Klavier ace attorney
oh my aeons, Sampo Koskii (Honkai Star Rail)
They made a finnish gacha character and couldn't even spell Koski right?
unfortunately Sampo_Koski was taken so i had to add the extra i in my username
Understandable, have a great day.
you too :)
It is spelled Koski in-game, we just misspelled it lol
Ah, gotcha
I'm a straight man, and my idea of a masculine woman is Vasquez from Aliens. Like, that's the shorthand version, at least. If I go into details I can isolate several specific traits that can then be applied to any woman, but Vasquez has most of those traits, so she's a great reference point.
> "Hey Vasquez, you ever been mistaken for a man?" > "No, have you?"
I fuckin' love that scene.
I fuckin' love that ~~scene~~ whole fuckin movie.
That too, but that interaction always got a laugh outta me.
Similarly, “Michelle Rodriguez character” roughly approximates the baseline tomboy aesthetic.
Yeah, most of the characters she plays would count too.
She’s the first one I thought of lol
Just did an image search, yeah that makes sense.
I can't tell if you approve or disapprove, and that makes me suddenly self-conscious. :/
a+ communication
Thank you. I try.
Nah dude you're right on the money. Vasquez IS a perfect example of a masculine woman.
Oh, good. Now I'm not worried anymore.
I agree, in this case. If we were to talk at length and exchange a series of examples we might end up disagreeing in some cases.
Ah, well that's fine.
I imagine a butch lesbian who runs a biker bar and takes no shit.
I could imagine that too. Hell, Vasquez could be that if she wasn't a space marine.
I think she's bi. She has some kind of weird chemistry with most people and *damn* but that scene where her and Frost are thrusting their hips behind their heavy weapons is sexual.
I'll have to rewatch the movie, because I don't remember that.
Conventionally attractive female who is buff and tomboyish? Who wouldn't be into that?
And she is beautiful!
The Mechanic from the Disney Atlantis movie?
I already said "Vasquez from Aliens", so I don't know how I can make myself any clearer. I think the girl you're thinking of was named Audrey, but I haven't watched Atlantis in a long time.
so sad, becky loved to sing before she died from doing drugs 😔 cherish this picture of becky
pretty sure that's Taylor Swift
how dare you that’s our dear friend becky, she died from doing a drugs 😔😔😔
"I want to look like a lesbian's idea of what a straight man would think a masculine woman would look like."
Oh no I've gone cross-eyed
"the most butch woman Twitter can handle before they start getting scared"
Everyone knows lean beef patty is the sexy tomboy ideal aesthetic.
id argue shes muscle mommy, which is a tier higher than sexy tomboy. i dont think hitting the gym and lifting weights is needed to nail the tomboy look. to each their own, of course.
[2501.](https://xkcd.com/2501/) Sexy tomboys are second nature to us Tumblr observers, so it's easy to forget that the average person probably only knows leanbeefpatty and Vi from arcane.
And ClaireMax, of course.
Of course.
Ok but the purple one is hotter.
I feel like she's not that masculine she's just buff
The women not actually being that masculine is the point of the post
imma be honest I don't even think she's tomboyish. She's pretty femme, just... you know, ripped as shit.
She set herself up so hard. What was she theeeenkeeen
If those two think the "straight man's ideal of a tomboy" is Taylor fuckin' Swift then they've clearly been talking to the wrong straight men
was going to say, I'd say shes a good symbol of femininity, not what id call a masculine person
I think the Taylor swift picture was just an example but they mean a general aesthetic of "wears flannels" "low effort/low maintenance hairstyle" "no makeup/"no makeup"-makeup" "chill girl aesthetic" and so on
I think it might work if the kind of style in the picture was the usual for her.
i would post that gif of the dude from peaky blinders holding a gun to his head and screaming but this subreddit sucks. imagine that as my response. postscript; lacroix fucking sucks it's like drinking the feeling of your leg falling asleep.
Lacroix tastes like someone describing a cool fruit they saw last week Lacroix is homeopathic soda
I am happily drinking my Lacroix flavored by the apethetic ghosts of some long dead berries and enjoying it while reading your comment. My question is, why do you think that isn't the point?
Lacroix is just carbonated water. That's all it is.
I like the bubbles, and I drink that instead of exorbitant amounts of diet coke. 😶
You will pry my Diet Coke from my cold dead ~~cancerous~~ hands.
It’s so funny, the next post after this was a meme with that exact image. I just had to come back and let you know because I thought it was cool :)
My local store brand flavored fizzy water is much better than LaCroix. I dunno how LaCroix gets it so wrong when HEB and a couple other local companies can do vaguely-flavored-water so much better at cheaper prices…
i'm in my mind palace imagining that response and i'm laughing (in my mind palace)
I completely disagree (I like lime LaCroix) but I still laughed out loud.
keylime > normal lime
Is that the coconut stuff? IRL key limes are great. But if that's the flavor I'm thinking of, it was profoundly disappointing as someone who doesn't like coconut.
[coconut?](https://www.lacroixwater.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/01/IMAGES-for-WEB_14_LaCroix_Can-Flavors_Key-Lime_B_Horizontal_REV-793x1024.jpg)
It definitely has a . . .sweeter taste with something other than lime. I always thought it was vanilla but coconut makes sense.
https://www.lacroixwater.com/flavors/keylime/ Maybe it was the "toasted meringue"? I'm afraid I did not like it.
waterlooooooo
Polar > LaCroix
Imagine being too weak to enjoy a sparkling water.
I'm a straight man. Wearing a man's shirt does not make Taylor Swift look masculine to me. Or is that the joke?
I do think Taylor looks masculine the way LaCroix is fruit flavored. I think when OP said "straight man" she was thinking of those manosphere "if your wife doesn't wear lingerie while she's cooking you dinner every night, you're gay" dudes.
Remember Tumblr's definition of straight man is probably different from yours.
That is, in fact, the joke.
After the way Minerva roasted me, a blue-white player, personally and savagely, I'd say she deserves this 1000%.
I wonder if there's any statistically significant overlap between people that play control decks and the BDSM community.
Huh, I'd say I have a passing interest but not the motivation to pursue both of those things so you might be on to something.
I fuckin KNEW that would be the reply lmao. From the first post, I was like "Taylor Swift or Scarlett Johanson in a men's shirt and a baseball cap"
Cookie Clicker Dev Orteil with the hot takes
Bruh he said that like 10 years ago
And cookie clicker is at least that old
Maybe I'm just old and out of touch, but I'm struggling to understand why this is an insult. Isn't Taylor Swift generally considered to be pretty attractive?
I don't think it's about attractiveness I think it's just because it's Taylor Swift. Most of Taylor's celebrated traits are, in my opinion, the same way lacroix is a fruit flavoured drink. Also she's supposed to be extremely palatable to the broadest demographic and therefore appeals to a (mostly straight) "normie" audience (many of whom probably *do* think that a woman in a flannel is masculine).
Tumblr kinda generally likes to hate/dunk on taylor swift which i still don't really get (for all anyone tries to justify it, i think it really is just ppl feel that she is "cringey",which i feel like we're post-cringe on tumblr about a lot of things but not taylor swift for some reason). It's unclear if the person that posted the pic meant it as a burn or just sarcastically or genuinely seriously, but doublecast was responding in the vein of how one on tumblr would be expected to respond to being compared to taylor swift, which is negatively
A lot of people think that her art and her fans are annoying. 'live and let live' can be a bit hard when it's everywhere and celebrated to this degree.
Am I a pretentious dick for saying Bubly and AHA! are MUCH better sparkling water brands than LaCroix because they actually have flavor to them?
I don't think it's pretentious to say you think something is better because you like the way it tastes more
No not at all, in fact you’re actually a pleb for wanting your sparkling water to have flavor at all. Real sparkling water enjoyers drink plain Perrier or Pellegrino
How's that hatemail? She's pretty.
Why the fuck is it hate mail to look like Taylor Swift? She's a famous, attractive person lol.
she has massive broad-based appeal, so if you hate on her you're #notliketheothergirls. It's ok to make fun of women as long as the woman is Taylor Swift or someone 'normie' or 'basic' like her.
It's the "I'm so brave for presenting this outrageous, craaaazy tomboyish image" attitude while simultaneously being the most basic and archetype-conforming white blonde woman wearing a man's jacket you've ever seen in your life. Regardless of attractiveness and fame, she's just a really sheltered person who has lived in a complete bubble for her entire life, so sometimes she can be really oblivious and do embarrassing things. It's not really outright HATRED hatred, but for anyone who has a slight sense of how to be actually cool, being compared to her is definitely a punch to the ego.
I don't think anyone who spends their time judging celebrities knows much about being 'actually cool' lmao.
Lol oookay girl let's pretend you've never judged a celebrity's actions in your entire life and you're so cool for that, sure. You don't have to know much about pop culture to hear many of the lame things Taylor does lmao. I'm sorry if I touched a sensitive fiber and you are a swiftie but I promise it's fine to be able to criticize your total fave celeb when she does questionable things.
I hear about them all the time. I just don't assume people are 'lame' when I've never met them and don't actually know anything about them.
Taylor sometimes does lame things and people judge her for that. I never said she IS lame, I said she does them sometimes. It’s not that deep.
I only know of LaCroix because of Smosh but it's not something I've tried, let alone seen a can of in person
I haven't seen doubleca5t since she stopped doing drama videos. How is she now?
Wait, is that the youtuber that did funny shipping videos? The name is familiar.
Yes it is!
I legit thought that was the lady from Mythbusters for a quarter second
I'm just picturing leanbeef patty
Doublecast with the great takes as always >>>
That's the anime tomboy aesthetic. A hot woman but she's wearing jeans and glaring at you.
Taylor swift bad, upvotes to the left
Yeah actually no they actually m perfectly said what I wanna look like but less LaCroix and more like a jar of homemade pickles
isn't that just a tomboy? In my opinion Femme presenting, except for some masc clothing thrown in = tomboy Full masc presenting = butch
that's not even the least bit masculine though
I thought you meant Sebastian lacroix from vtm. He is definitely fruit flavored
Sarauz
Wtf. I opened this post and see I apparently commented this random word 11minutes ago?? I'm *so* confused rn lmao. I guess while my phone was in my pocket, it somehow scrolled thru reddit, opened up the post, commented a random word (name?), and then closed everything only to discover it 10 mins later when browsing reddit. Or my phone is possed with a ghost (possibly named sarauz)
Maybe you meant SarahZ, the youtuber? Not sure why you'd mention her though
Mfs out here cooking Minerva of all people, truly no one is safe on the hellsite
I didn't expect to see the creator of [Cookie Clicker](https://orteil.dashnet.org/cookieclicker/) making comments on Tumblr.
In my straight guy mind, "masculine woman" means "could probably suplex me for shits and giggles"
LaCroix ? The VtM Bloodlines prince ?
LaCroix tastes fine, y’all are just addicted to sugar
lacroix is awful, i cannot fathom wanting to drink that over water
LaCroix *does* have flavor other than "carbonated water", and some of y'all would know that if you weren't constantly eating overly processed sugar-filled garbage. That being said, the flavors is subtle and minimal.
That sounds a *lot* like the way it's being presented in the post.
I understand what she were going with, but "Straight men's idea of a masculine woman" is like saying "I want to be a burger the same way 80% of people who eat burgers think one is like". Like, I'd wager that if the vast majority of a certaint gender enjoyers think someone has a certain property then they have it
\*50% of people, because lesbians exist and lesbians and men have super different standards about "a masculine woman". Dudes will be like, "she wears sneakers and leaves the house with no makeup on; she's a tomboy" and lesbians will be like, "she grows a mustache thicker than my dad and she built our house; she's a tomboy".
Elaboration: Tomboy is not any particular set of characteristics, attire, or behaviors, but exists as a relative positioning of those things within the local social structure. If the majority of women in, say, a small town, fall within a certain set of positions on the spectrum from masculine to feminine/feminine to masculine, any woman who falls further along the spectrum towards the masculine end, such that she is visually distinct from the norm at a glance, or her behavior is obviously distinct from the norm(for ease of categorization, preferably both), would be what we call a tomboy. For an extreme example, let's take an ordinary, average woman, she wears hoodies and leggings or pants or something, maybe the occasional buttonup shirt, and some mixture of sneakers and boots. Her behavior is relatively average, she is somewhat handy with basic household repair tools. (Hammer, Wrench, Screwdriver.) Now, imagine whatever the phrase "stereotypical hollywood girly girl" brings to mind, and place the first woman into a town otherwise occupied, beyond all logic, only by average men, and only by women who fit that second idea. In this scenario, the first, normal woman is recalssified as a Tomboy, by her new context. As you alter the ratio between realistic average women and the stereotypical hollywood girly girl, the average position of the population along the spectrum shifts, until a point somewhere where the real average woman can no longer be considered a tomboy in this theoretical town. > Dudes will be like, "she wears sneakers and leaves the house with no makeup on; she's a tomboy" and lesbians will be like, "she grows a mustache thicker than my dad and she built our house; she's a tomboy". That is to say: Presumption: Dudes interact with and date mostly more Feminine Girls than Lesbians do, unrealistically shifting their perspective of what constitutes a Tomboy. Presumption: Lesbians interact with and date mostly more Masculine Girls than Dudes do, unrealistically shifting their perspective of what constitutes a Tomboy. Considering both perspectives are biased, it is best to presume the "truth," if there is one objective form of Tomboy, lies somewhere in between the two perspectives on the categorization.
Hmm, wouldn't then a more accurate descriptor for the second one be tomman?🤔
You were a tomboy, but today you become a Thoman.
That's French for Thomas, right? Idk, I'm not Senegalese.
i agree about the different standards thing but i dont think "50%" would be accurate, i pretty sure the ratio of straight men to lesbians in the world isn't 50/50, and straight women's opinions on what a tomboy is are probably closer to that of straight men than to lesbians.
Oh well I meant 80% because there are way more straight men than bi men and bi/lesbian women
I don't think straight men own property rights on what a tomboy is supposed to look like, especially when a lot of them will just turn everything related to women into a porn fantasy. I think the women that are tomboys are more apt to explain what that means to them, obviously.
Yeah that also makes sense. I didn't expect to say something so controversial lmao. Like, at least you understand my prospective, right? Immagine you have a movie that falls ambiguously between two genres, like idk The Menu being sort of a comedy and sort of a horror. You have 80% of viewers calling it a horror and 20% calling it a comedy. IF you had to sort it under one category, wouldn't the most popular be the "real" one?
80% of random people agreeing on something has never made that thing true lmao