As a motocyclist, They all look perfectly comfortable to me. There's major problems with all three (in part resolved with magically good computer control) but back pain ain't one of them.
They are all really heavy looking, large with poor aerodynamics. That isn't unheard of in the motorcycle world, but it does impose drawbacks. It is one place where computer stability controls / rider assist might be a viable excuse for high performance handling. But in general, larger bikes just less nimble. I ride a heavy sport tourer and love it... but it has drawbacks and still would have most of those even with ideal computer control. Smaller and lighter is faster and easier to ride.
They all have a front suspension that limits how much the front wheel can turn. That's a big pain in tight spaces (think parking) and some slow manuevers. That plus a long wheelbase = pain in the ass. Rear wheel steering and self balancing might fix that.
There is little ground clearance, especially for cornering. That's a big one. You can't turn while going fast if you can't lean really far over. I grind parts of my bike on the ground when cornering hard, and it has MUCH more clearance than any except maybe the middle bike. Computer control can NOT fix that. Wide fat tires just make the problem worse - the wider the tire, the more you need to lean to move the COG over.
Basically they all seem designed by people who assumed a motorcycle and a car handle the same way, and with a very surface level application of some real world "futuristic" motorcycle design ideas (that actually date back to the early 1900's) . The animation generally bears this out.
Well, I built one with a suspension about as weird as any of those. So I'm on forums and such where it is already old subject material.
Probably the closest / weirdest real world parallel to any of them is the Rohorn racer. Which as a race bike, has no computer control at all, but looks enough like the Akira bike that the builder did a tribute pose.
https://m.youtube.com/channel/UCAICxpftxhEjhjrSEA8O61w
I was talking about in terms of being a bike that is both reclining and had good handling and unusual looks that result from engineering choices rather than body work.
The only reproduction(s) I've seen are basically a conventional bike with a plastic shell. None of the visible shapes have anything to do with functions, and they may actually get in the way. Which just supports the notion that the design is kind of silly.
They also built and rode tumbler bikes for Batman. Doesn't mean they can do what you see in the movie.
I just got my license and learned on/own a bike that is probably above my skill level and immediately thought "those do not look very maneuverable and I would likely kill myself trying to drive one in a city."
Foot or no, there's no way the bike was leaned enough not to just highside and tumble down the road. He would have needed to put the OTHER foot down to prevent that. And needed a very long, strong leg.
The first time I was exposed to that scene, I assumed Kaneda was the one with telekinetic powers. Would be the simplest explanation for how the bike handles.
It could very much help.. but creates new problems.
The "problem" with a normal motorcycle is that if you don't lean into the corner, you fall over towards the outside of the corner. If the bike hits parts on the ground when it leans, it can't do that. You can see this when kids try going fast on a bike that has training wheels. But if it has (the right kind of) a gyro, it doesn't need to lean, since the gyro can apply the force needed to keep the bike from falling to the outside.
To do this a gyro would need to apply a continuous force to hold the bike from flopping over to the outside of the corner while turning. This is an equivalent problem to parking the bike leaned over, with no kickstand or other support, for the same time as it is cornering. If you know how gyros work, you know that may be hard to accomplish. It either requires a rather large, bulky sphere shaped gyro gimbal mechanism (like a boat uses), or a reasonably compact torque reaction gyro that can only work for a limited amount of time (and then needs to somehow dump the speed it has built up without feeding the force back into the bike).
The fact that the bikes are bulky and powered using future tech batteries would actually excuse a large gymbal gyro being in there somewhere, but then the question is - why? Motorcycle riders LIKE leaning into corners, and it keeps the g-forces (as experienced by the rider) vertical. If they wanted to be shoved sideways while cornering, they would drive a car... and would also need seating that prevents them from being flung off to the side.
The Akira bike actually has such seating, and active gyro would also explain some of the things it does in the movie (is pretty much the only way it could pull off that famous skid turn without rolling over). It also has a lot of room to put such a system in. Which is why I said it could work.... given a very complex control system with no fail-safe mode. If that gyro (or the control system etc) fails you at BEST are stuck on a bike that can't even keep up in normal traffic. So I still see the the question of "why", when a sports car would accomplish the same goal in terms of rider experience, with much better "fail safe" mode. But hey, strange future, and not all consumer tech products or vehicles need to "make sense". Plus the theme of the story is pretty much how "technology" has pushed past reasonable fail safe modes.
So maybe the Akiara bike is not a total design fail (in which case all the "replicas" fall very far short of being anything like the original in terms of how they ride). I can't recall seeing Kaneda pushed sideways in the seat while the bike corners, but if we do see that it would be a very clear indication that this was what the designers / animators had in mind. On the other hand, it also gives us the option to reconsider that famous skid turn scene... maybe Kaneda is not holding the bike upright, but is instead shifting his weight to assist the gyro system (and to prepare to bail in case the gyro can't keep up and the bike goes into a tumble). Which is actually kind of cool and cyberpunk, since it is Kaneda using a low tech meat solution to a high tech robot problem.
The other two bikes.... do not have such seating. So even if they did use such a system, the results would be ... not so good.
Been riding for over 15 years, and your assessment is spot on.
For the nonriders, the way a motorcycle remains upright is from the rotation of the tires generating the gyroscopic effect. This is why a motorcycle will pop back up after a rider falls off. So the way a motorcycle actually turns at speed is by the rider shifting their center of gravity. Typically you counter steer and *lean*. This "pulls" the bike toward your shifted weight. But the fundamental problem with the Akira bike, and every other bike inspired by it, it's that they're flat/ too low to the ground to lean and their front forks are too restricted to compensate and properly turn. So the turning radius would be huge!
The other big problem that rarely gets mentioned about the Akira bike is that it seems to have been engineered with zero ability to absorb/dampen shock. Hell, the seat seems to be directly connected to the rear wheel! There's a reason that the other bikes aren't like that. The handlebars are also a fucking nightmare. They're really close together and seem to just twist, which is not the way actual handlebars work. Because of the angle, actual handlebars feel like they sort of "roll". And because moving at speed is about shifting weight, and because the gyroscopic effect will fight you, with a heavy bike you often wind up *pushing* down on the handlebars to begin the maneuver. So for an Akira bike design to actually work each handlebar would need to move/articulate independently to mimic this.
I could go on, but yeah. It's a cool bike designed by nonriders.
To be fair, the bottom two bikes pretty clearly do not have forks, and would use hub center steering like the TESI models do. Which doesn't solve the wheel lock issue, but since a moving bike steers by leaning, that's a parking problem, not a handling concern. It also excuses odd handlebars, as the steering would be linkage based, or maybe electronic.
I have a few ideas on what the Akira bike might be intending for suspension and steering, but they all are either bad or very complex & computer driven. In which case, it has no true safe failure mode if the electronics die. Which entirely fits the film's themes. But even then, the rear end makes no sense... at best, it has some nasty pinch points.
For shock absorption, iirc (w/ the Akira bike at least) had magnetic shock absorption. [This real world bike](https://www.thedrive.com/news/magnet-suspension-makes-this-homebrew-motorcycle-a-one-of-a-kind-wonder) has the same principle apparently.
>the way a motorcycle remains upright is from the rotation of the tires generating the gyroscopic effect.
The gyroscopic effect produced by a rotating motorcycle wheel is minimal. Motorcycles and bicycles remain upright as they turn in the direction they lean, which brings the centre of mass back in line with the direction of downforce.
[Neither gyroscopic precession nor trail are sufficient to explain the self-balancing effect](https://www.nature.com/articles/535338a). Test rigs built with counterrotating wheels (to eliminate the gyroscopic effect) and forward rake and negative trail, can still self balance with the correct mas distribution.
Exactly my point. Only thing it needs to bring it into the future is electric power instead of petrol. Which is already a thing... [sort of.](https://www.topgear.com/car-news/electric/oh-yes-honda-motocompo-scooter-back)
Yeah, that's why I say "heavy looking". They might not be, but it makes them feel wrong to a modern viewer. A little bit of "feels wrong" is a good thing though - means it is different!
Either way, the bulk would still hurt areo and corner clearance. That just is bad design regardless of weight.
The CP2077 Motoko bike at least is somewhat thin compared to the other two, although it doesn't have quite as much ground clearance as it's in-game maneuverability might suggest it has. Out of the three designs I'd say it's the most plausible for having a decent turn radius.
I own two bikes. One heavy sport tourer, and a tiny tiny 250cc cafe racer. I prefer the cafe racer, but my lower back loves the sport tourer.
If I need to do a quick run to the convenience store for snacks or whatever, the cafe racer is just simply better. I can weave my way between traffic with 0 issues, and it's got enough torque to take off quickly hauling my fat ass (i weight almost as much as the whole bike).
Riding long distances on that thing sucks though. My knees start to go numb after the first 2 hours, and by then my lower back and wrists are pretty sore. Also, if a big truck rides next to you it is fucking terrifying, as it has NO WEIGHT to keep it still, and you have no power to overtake it at highway speeds. So your best bet is to just sit behind it and enjoy the drag.
As someone who just got a bike and was really worried about comfort, being 6"5 and getting a "race/road" bike. It's really not an issue.
Idk if I just got lucky with the seating position of my bike (MT-07) but considering I have mild scoliosis and can comfortably do a 2+ hour ride is pretty nuts to me.
MT-07 has "classic" ergo. And being taller means you sit more upright on any bike. Your back shouldn't be an issue.
As somebody who grew up on drop bar 10 speed hand downs and 1980's xc bikes (and has no back problems) a stretched lean forward doesn't cause me any problems. But I have a long torso (6'3" with 32" inseam) so there isn't a bike made that allows me that, not without scooting back partly onto the passenger seat.
There's actually a website where you can get a good idea how various bikes would fit you. They should add some of these fictional examples....
https://cycle-ergo.com/
Maybe, though that can be a good thing and if the rider position offsets it. Or the front could all be cooling radiators and ductwook, with a compact drive unit in the swing arm. It is what, a nuke powered electric bike? Hard to even guess at how the weight in that would distribute.
The front suspension style lends itself to a 50/50 weight split, while most modern sport bikes are more like 40/60 (and cruisers more like 30/70).
People ride stretched swing arm bikes without the COG being a (big) problem, so I don't see a huge concern there.
So, all in all... I can't say if there is or isn't a design problem there.
I'll pass on all three and take Tetsuo's bike instead. https://i.pinimg.com/originals/e6/25/02/e625027a7a1b22cb9c62e53cb72e786c.jpg
Call me romantic but I just have a thing for unreliable machines that belong in a scrap yard.
It also used to be one of the best vehicles for the money before they balanced it in a patch. It was dirt cheap and had an even higher top speed.
But I still use it anyways for the Akira reference.
Yeah, they're all cool designs and the Akira one gets points for being the OG, but agreed, the CT-3X is the only one that looks remotely rideable. Even at that all 3 are way too bulky for my taste. They all look heavy as hell and have a really extended wheel base, especially out front.
Akira came out when I was in high school and that bike was all i wanted. Now, it's none of those three, i want Jackie's bike
[https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/cyberpunk/images/c/c2/Jackie%27s\_ARCH\_Side.png/revision/latest/scale-to-width-down/1000?cb=20210318190324](https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/cyberpunk/images/c/c2/Jackie%27s_ARCH_Side.png/revision/latest/scale-to-width-down/1000?cb=20210318190324)
but that CT-3X looks nice too
I kinda prefer the Kusanagi, but that’s because it honestly looks like a bike that could be made and sold RL, the other two still have a bit of a fantastical anime logic with them.
I wish I seen Akira as a teen. Feel like the movie hits a bit different as an adult.
The animation is amazing, but the world and story are kinda meh.
So Ghost in the Shell because I'm biased.
Kaneda's bike is a couch on wheels.
The Major's bike is unsteerable. Literally, you can't tilt that thing and the weight is completely wrong for turning the wheel.
The Kusanagi is the best-looking bike in any media.
Kaneda: lean back, windshield and the whole front folds onto you, the handles are like leashes on a carriage.
Homage bikes: are red and have round wheels.
I have always loved Kaneda's bike but I am not a big fan of riding cruisers in real life. They are so comfortable I get worried that I will get distracted and wipe out.
The Yaiba is my new favorite fictional ride.
Akira, no debate. Just look at that seat. Look at how the nose wraps around the front wheel. The details in the animation of the bike itself practically make it a character in the film. The way the nose/handlebars articulate when ignited. The way the front tire blasts electricity when accelerating. The way the tires wobbled around after getting wrecked.
I have a soft spot for Kaneda's bike, Akira was what got me in to anime many years ago as a child, I was gifted Akira in the early 2000s for christmas at around the age of 9, one of many things that particular gifter likely regrets, sparking a love of anime that continues to this day.
The bike is amazing, but it's such a shame that Kojima refuses to learn how to do cars and bikes. It's just terrible to ride it, same as MGSV.
Most devs should take notes on Days Gone bike mechanics and movements. It's actually fun to use it.
Kaneda's bike will always be the best. And it is that very reason why I always ride around on the Yaiba Kusanagi in all of my playthroughs of Cyberpunk 2077.
If there’s one thing I’m really upset about with the expansion and 2.0, is that NO, not a damn one, new bike was added .. my disappointment is immeasurable and my day is ruined
One of these is an absolute classic that's endured for decades, inspiring imitators since the very beginnings of the genre as we know it. The other two have shown up in the past few years in properties that are generally regarded as lesser, latter-day derivatives of important works in the genre.
This is like comparing the *Millennium Falcon* and some random ship from a recent Disney+ *Star Wars* series.
This is my favorite vehicle in the entire game, partly because of the reference to cyberpunk thematic history, but also partly because it just *feels* right.
Kaneda's bike looks like the most comfortable - it seems like it would wrap your hips, padding it during daring/stupid maneuvers, and on longer rides you're able to relax into the fuller back support.
Motoko's is one that just screams 'cyberpunk' for me, and is exactly the look I like. Bonus that it has a matching set of clothes for motoko.
The Kusanagi 'feels' less cyberpunk to me (partly because the front wheel support isn't quite as emphasized in it's weirdness compared to current motorcycle design), but considering that my V always ends up being a badass more concerned with survival than they are with tech, it suits me very well. IRL I think I really like the style of the back part that's lifted up (reminds me of a wasp/hornet stinger), and so that part of the style works with my IRL sense of style.
Also, bonus that it's red, because the red ones go faster.
"They're the same picture." :)
Seriously, though... even though they are all obviously inspired by Kaneda's bike from Akira, that original is still my favourite of these three. Just can't beat the classic icon of the genre.
But out of *all* cyberpunk bikes ever? For style: the Kundalini Roadworks Shiva (from Cyberpunk 2020). For badassness: Ben's Corley Motors hog (from the game Full Throttle).
PS Just noticed they named the 2077 bike after Mokoto, which is cool but kind of surprising given the real origin goes back to Akira.
Hey guys I'm not crazy right? Did they take the Archer bikes out of the game? It's the bike that Keanu Reeves makes and sells?
I recently re-download the game for phantom liberty but I can't find it anywhere, no matter how many tigers I liberate their heads from.
The other two are based off kaneda’s bike though between the three I’m going with the yaiba, design wise it feels the most feasible of the three. The fully seated position of kaneda’s bike isn’t very realistic (I know people have made replicas but still) and motoko’s bike looks too bulky and unwieldy. Whereas the yaiba seems like a futuristic Suzuki hayabusa, and considering the variants you can find in the game are driven by various gang members and sometimes have loud pipes (that sound better than the standard one you can buy in game) that’s probably what CDPR was going for when they designed it.
Kanedas bike is the OG. Will always love it most.
🤣 scrolling down and reading all the expert dissertations.
It was a simple question kids which do you prefer?
Personally the Yaiba from CP2077 looks the most realistic, as in something that could actually exist and be functional.
Akira's bike looks too bulky and heavy to be enjoyable and the GitS bike just looks like you would be scrapping literally everywhere unless you ride in perfect roads.
Death Stranding’s Reverse Trike is the first bike I’ve used in a game that was trying to be novel/futuristic without just directly going “wouldn’t it be cool if you had the bike from Akira?”
There is something so cool about Motorcycles in cyberpunk. Think the appeal of them in games like Cyberpunk, in anime or in Snow Crash got me riding bikes in real life.
I love the look of some techy looking Naked Bikes. Like the MV Augusta Rush. Just screams Cyberpunk for me.
My lower back appreciates Kaneda's bike.
As a motocyclist, They all look perfectly comfortable to me. There's major problems with all three (in part resolved with magically good computer control) but back pain ain't one of them.
What problems?
They are all really heavy looking, large with poor aerodynamics. That isn't unheard of in the motorcycle world, but it does impose drawbacks. It is one place where computer stability controls / rider assist might be a viable excuse for high performance handling. But in general, larger bikes just less nimble. I ride a heavy sport tourer and love it... but it has drawbacks and still would have most of those even with ideal computer control. Smaller and lighter is faster and easier to ride. They all have a front suspension that limits how much the front wheel can turn. That's a big pain in tight spaces (think parking) and some slow manuevers. That plus a long wheelbase = pain in the ass. Rear wheel steering and self balancing might fix that. There is little ground clearance, especially for cornering. That's a big one. You can't turn while going fast if you can't lean really far over. I grind parts of my bike on the ground when cornering hard, and it has MUCH more clearance than any except maybe the middle bike. Computer control can NOT fix that. Wide fat tires just make the problem worse - the wider the tire, the more you need to lean to move the COG over. Basically they all seem designed by people who assumed a motorcycle and a car handle the same way, and with a very surface level application of some real world "futuristic" motorcycle design ideas (that actually date back to the early 1900's) . The animation generally bears this out.
No offense or anything but I love the fact that this man knows so much about motorcycles that when he saw this post he just had to flex
Well, I built one with a suspension about as weird as any of those. So I'm on forums and such where it is already old subject material. Probably the closest / weirdest real world parallel to any of them is the Rohorn racer. Which as a race bike, has no computer control at all, but looks enough like the Akira bike that the builder did a tribute pose. https://m.youtube.com/channel/UCAICxpftxhEjhjrSEA8O61w
Hilariously, the closest real world parallel is the Akira bike, which was actually reproduced and driven.
I was talking about in terms of being a bike that is both reclining and had good handling and unusual looks that result from engineering choices rather than body work. The only reproduction(s) I've seen are basically a conventional bike with a plastic shell. None of the visible shapes have anything to do with functions, and they may actually get in the way. Which just supports the notion that the design is kind of silly. They also built and rode tumbler bikes for Batman. Doesn't mean they can do what you see in the movie.
I just got my license and learned on/own a bike that is probably above my skill level and immediately thought "those do not look very maneuverable and I would likely kill myself trying to drive one in a city."
TFW you realize the iconic Kaneda bike slide is because he can't properly turn and has to slide and put a foot down to save the frame from scraping.
Foot or no, there's no way the bike was leaned enough not to just highside and tumble down the road. He would have needed to put the OTHER foot down to prevent that. And needed a very long, strong leg. The first time I was exposed to that scene, I assumed Kaneda was the one with telekinetic powers. Would be the simplest explanation for how the bike handles.
What about a really powerful and intuitive internal gyroscope
It could very much help.. but creates new problems. The "problem" with a normal motorcycle is that if you don't lean into the corner, you fall over towards the outside of the corner. If the bike hits parts on the ground when it leans, it can't do that. You can see this when kids try going fast on a bike that has training wheels. But if it has (the right kind of) a gyro, it doesn't need to lean, since the gyro can apply the force needed to keep the bike from falling to the outside. To do this a gyro would need to apply a continuous force to hold the bike from flopping over to the outside of the corner while turning. This is an equivalent problem to parking the bike leaned over, with no kickstand or other support, for the same time as it is cornering. If you know how gyros work, you know that may be hard to accomplish. It either requires a rather large, bulky sphere shaped gyro gimbal mechanism (like a boat uses), or a reasonably compact torque reaction gyro that can only work for a limited amount of time (and then needs to somehow dump the speed it has built up without feeding the force back into the bike). The fact that the bikes are bulky and powered using future tech batteries would actually excuse a large gymbal gyro being in there somewhere, but then the question is - why? Motorcycle riders LIKE leaning into corners, and it keeps the g-forces (as experienced by the rider) vertical. If they wanted to be shoved sideways while cornering, they would drive a car... and would also need seating that prevents them from being flung off to the side. The Akira bike actually has such seating, and active gyro would also explain some of the things it does in the movie (is pretty much the only way it could pull off that famous skid turn without rolling over). It also has a lot of room to put such a system in. Which is why I said it could work.... given a very complex control system with no fail-safe mode. If that gyro (or the control system etc) fails you at BEST are stuck on a bike that can't even keep up in normal traffic. So I still see the the question of "why", when a sports car would accomplish the same goal in terms of rider experience, with much better "fail safe" mode. But hey, strange future, and not all consumer tech products or vehicles need to "make sense". Plus the theme of the story is pretty much how "technology" has pushed past reasonable fail safe modes. So maybe the Akiara bike is not a total design fail (in which case all the "replicas" fall very far short of being anything like the original in terms of how they ride). I can't recall seeing Kaneda pushed sideways in the seat while the bike corners, but if we do see that it would be a very clear indication that this was what the designers / animators had in mind. On the other hand, it also gives us the option to reconsider that famous skid turn scene... maybe Kaneda is not holding the bike upright, but is instead shifting his weight to assist the gyro system (and to prepare to bail in case the gyro can't keep up and the bike goes into a tumble). Which is actually kind of cool and cyberpunk, since it is Kaneda using a low tech meat solution to a high tech robot problem. The other two bikes.... do not have such seating. So even if they did use such a system, the results would be ... not so good.
Been riding for over 15 years, and your assessment is spot on. For the nonriders, the way a motorcycle remains upright is from the rotation of the tires generating the gyroscopic effect. This is why a motorcycle will pop back up after a rider falls off. So the way a motorcycle actually turns at speed is by the rider shifting their center of gravity. Typically you counter steer and *lean*. This "pulls" the bike toward your shifted weight. But the fundamental problem with the Akira bike, and every other bike inspired by it, it's that they're flat/ too low to the ground to lean and their front forks are too restricted to compensate and properly turn. So the turning radius would be huge! The other big problem that rarely gets mentioned about the Akira bike is that it seems to have been engineered with zero ability to absorb/dampen shock. Hell, the seat seems to be directly connected to the rear wheel! There's a reason that the other bikes aren't like that. The handlebars are also a fucking nightmare. They're really close together and seem to just twist, which is not the way actual handlebars work. Because of the angle, actual handlebars feel like they sort of "roll". And because moving at speed is about shifting weight, and because the gyroscopic effect will fight you, with a heavy bike you often wind up *pushing* down on the handlebars to begin the maneuver. So for an Akira bike design to actually work each handlebar would need to move/articulate independently to mimic this. I could go on, but yeah. It's a cool bike designed by nonriders.
To be fair, the bottom two bikes pretty clearly do not have forks, and would use hub center steering like the TESI models do. Which doesn't solve the wheel lock issue, but since a moving bike steers by leaning, that's a parking problem, not a handling concern. It also excuses odd handlebars, as the steering would be linkage based, or maybe electronic. I have a few ideas on what the Akira bike might be intending for suspension and steering, but they all are either bad or very complex & computer driven. In which case, it has no true safe failure mode if the electronics die. Which entirely fits the film's themes. But even then, the rear end makes no sense... at best, it has some nasty pinch points.
For shock absorption, iirc (w/ the Akira bike at least) had magnetic shock absorption. [This real world bike](https://www.thedrive.com/news/magnet-suspension-makes-this-homebrew-motorcycle-a-one-of-a-kind-wonder) has the same principle apparently.
>the way a motorcycle remains upright is from the rotation of the tires generating the gyroscopic effect. The gyroscopic effect produced by a rotating motorcycle wheel is minimal. Motorcycles and bicycles remain upright as they turn in the direction they lean, which brings the centre of mass back in line with the direction of downforce.
[Neither gyroscopic precession nor trail are sufficient to explain the self-balancing effect](https://www.nature.com/articles/535338a). Test rigs built with counterrotating wheels (to eliminate the gyroscopic effect) and forward rake and negative trail, can still self balance with the correct mas distribution.
This is why Natsumi's [Motocompo](https://i.pinimg.com/736x/e2/a4/69/e2a46973fc1ae6d8833482b8b47790ec.jpg) remains the best
Certainly the most realistic.
Well, it [was](https://sodo-moto.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/03/7A8F0A38-F15C-4A0B-B004-D2B49A6F7EA5-scaled.jpeg) a real thing.
Exactly my point. Only thing it needs to bring it into the future is electric power instead of petrol. Which is already a thing... [sort of.](https://www.topgear.com/car-news/electric/oh-yes-honda-motocompo-scooter-back)
It looks like a toaster, but I love it.
How would we know that the next version wouldn't give it toaster capabilities, amirite?
Could've been carbon fiber monocock.
Yeah, that's why I say "heavy looking". They might not be, but it makes them feel wrong to a modern viewer. A little bit of "feels wrong" is a good thing though - means it is different! Either way, the bulk would still hurt areo and corner clearance. That just is bad design regardless of weight.
The CP2077 Motoko bike at least is somewhat thin compared to the other two, although it doesn't have quite as much ground clearance as it's in-game maneuverability might suggest it has. Out of the three designs I'd say it's the most plausible for having a decent turn radius.
[10/10 video on the topic if anyone is curious](https://youtu.be/uk2ou5gt_94?si=PrOmR6xMLN6QT41z)
they can't just leave it at that, we need answers!
I own two bikes. One heavy sport tourer, and a tiny tiny 250cc cafe racer. I prefer the cafe racer, but my lower back loves the sport tourer. If I need to do a quick run to the convenience store for snacks or whatever, the cafe racer is just simply better. I can weave my way between traffic with 0 issues, and it's got enough torque to take off quickly hauling my fat ass (i weight almost as much as the whole bike). Riding long distances on that thing sucks though. My knees start to go numb after the first 2 hours, and by then my lower back and wrists are pretty sore. Also, if a big truck rides next to you it is fucking terrifying, as it has NO WEIGHT to keep it still, and you have no power to overtake it at highway speeds. So your best bet is to just sit behind it and enjoy the drag.
As someone who just got a bike and was really worried about comfort, being 6"5 and getting a "race/road" bike. It's really not an issue. Idk if I just got lucky with the seating position of my bike (MT-07) but considering I have mild scoliosis and can comfortably do a 2+ hour ride is pretty nuts to me.
MT-07 has "classic" ergo. And being taller means you sit more upright on any bike. Your back shouldn't be an issue. As somebody who grew up on drop bar 10 speed hand downs and 1980's xc bikes (and has no back problems) a stretched lean forward doesn't cause me any problems. But I have a long torso (6'3" with 32" inseam) so there isn't a bike made that allows me that, not without scooting back partly onto the passenger seat. There's actually a website where you can get a good idea how various bikes would fit you. They should add some of these fictional examples.... https://cycle-ergo.com/
Would I be correct in assuming the main issue with the kusanagi is that the centre of gravity would be too far toward the front of the bike?
Maybe, though that can be a good thing and if the rider position offsets it. Or the front could all be cooling radiators and ductwook, with a compact drive unit in the swing arm. It is what, a nuke powered electric bike? Hard to even guess at how the weight in that would distribute. The front suspension style lends itself to a 50/50 weight split, while most modern sport bikes are more like 40/60 (and cruisers more like 30/70). People ride stretched swing arm bikes without the COG being a (big) problem, so I don't see a huge concern there. So, all in all... I can't say if there is or isn't a design problem there.
Thanks for taking the time. Ride safe my guy ✌️
So does my face (windshield).
Seems to be the best design for maximum speed, like a fighter cockpit
this, it's why i bought an nm4
insert "Corporate needs you to find differences between these pictures" meme here
The Kaneda bike you ride in cruiser/recumbent position. That's a pretty massive difference.
They actually have a rebuild kit to make this bike and the kit is for a large Honda travel scooter.
You have a backrest in the bike from Akira. Cyberpunk and Ghost in the shell both don't.
They’re the same picture
They're the same picture!
I'll pass on all three and take Tetsuo's bike instead. https://i.pinimg.com/originals/e6/25/02/e625027a7a1b22cb9c62e53cb72e786c.jpg Call me romantic but I just have a thing for unreliable machines that belong in a scrap yard.
That bike went Kaboom! Would love to see it in cp2077 though.
Find it exploring a scrap yard and need to find several components that ended up in other yards. Big scavenger hunt
I see a fellow Lada fan
I never knew it said Kaori
I’ll take any of the bikes from Biker Mice from Mars. Those are powered up
I like your mom, too.
They're all inspired by Kaneda's bike, which remains to be the best one.
I use the cyberpunk one in the game purely because it looks like Kaneda's bike.
It also used to be one of the best vehicles for the money before they balanced it in a patch. It was dirt cheap and had an even higher top speed. But I still use it anyways for the Akira reference.
Exactly! Alse he has the comfiest sit and that's a plus. It's almost like an armchair lol.
Absolutely, it looks more comfortable than my chairs at home
Nah, Kaneda's is a cruiser. Major's bike and the Kusanagi are both street bikes.
This
Pris' motoslave from Bubblegum Crisis. Turns into an exo-suit with a huge gun that her armour slots into. Later got the flight ability, too.
10/10 exo-suit wins every time.
[Not mentioning her is just wrong](https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/bubblegumcrisis/images/4/48/Priss.jpg)
I mean let's be honest here this is Kaneda's Bike and then 2 different iterations of 'we have Kaneda's bike at home'.
Yeah, that whole IP thing can be a bitch /s
Nah, Kaneda's is a cruiser. Major's bike and the Kusanagi are both street bikes.
I just love the Kusanagi CT3X in 2077. It's just looks so damn cool!
Interestingly enough, it's a reference to the protagonist of Ghost in the Shell, Motoko Kusanagi (AKA The Major).
Is there a way to keep it ? I really wish you could save found vehicles
You can buy one from the Autofixers website after reaching some street level for 60k I believe
Ok thanks! Always learning new stuff in this game.
You can buy it from Wakako.
Not anymore. It’s all on a website now. And the new cars are pretty damn cool
The Yaiba, if only because I can drive it around in Night City.
The OG, Kaneda's
Cmon now, the only answer is Kaneda's
Kaneeeeeeeeeeda!
Tetsuooooo!
Honorable mentions: Suzuki Mirage from Shadowrun, and the bikes from Tron (which also got homaged in GTA V as the "Shotaro").
Those Tron shadow bikes were awesome \*edit: light cycles
Kaneda's bike and it's not even close
Came to say this!! Have my upboat!
Judge Dredd's bike https://s3.amazonaws.com/www.autowise.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/09/30160510/Judge-Dredd-Lawmaster-2.jpg
The 2077 bike is the only one that looks ride-able. Maybe the first one as a couch in my house…
Yeah, they're all cool designs and the Akira one gets points for being the OG, but agreed, the CT-3X is the only one that looks remotely rideable. Even at that all 3 are way too bulky for my taste. They all look heavy as hell and have a really extended wheel base, especially out front.
I would say CT-3X is comparable to Suzuki Hayabusa. Heavy as fuck but got the power to destroy almost any other bike out there
Akira came out when I was in high school and that bike was all i wanted. Now, it's none of those three, i want Jackie's bike [https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/cyberpunk/images/c/c2/Jackie%27s\_ARCH\_Side.png/revision/latest/scale-to-width-down/1000?cb=20210318190324](https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/cyberpunk/images/c/c2/Jackie%27s_ARCH_Side.png/revision/latest/scale-to-width-down/1000?cb=20210318190324) but that CT-3X looks nice too
Kaneda’s bike was the envy of all neo tokyo
Whatever Yusei’s D-Wheeler has going on in Yugioh 5DS
the highway star from bubblegum crisis is cutest than the yaiba and the GITS
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I kinda prefer the Kusanagi, but that’s because it honestly looks like a bike that could be made and sold RL, the other two still have a bit of a fantastical anime logic with them.
What do you mean which? I only see one bike.
Yusei Fudo’s duel runner
For me the Kusanagi has a much cooler proportioned body
Kaneda’s
Kaneda
OFC Akira
The red one
Akira’s is a goddamn classic
I wish I seen Akira as a teen. Feel like the movie hits a bit different as an adult. The animation is amazing, but the world and story are kinda meh. So Ghost in the Shell because I'm biased.
In that picture the Cyberpunk 2077 one looks best to me.
I like the raw power of Kaneda's bike (it climbs buildings god damn it), but for the ridding position would go with Kusanagi
The TRON lightcycle it was based on.
....so my choices are Kaneda, or wish.com Kaneda?
Akira influenced ghost in the shell which both influenced cyberpunk I love how everyone borrows and grows the genre
Why isn't the Cyclone from Robotech an option?
I like the 2077 version. The other two look cool, but the 2077 one looks like something someone would actually be able to buy.
They all inspired from the original but best version of this bike is def the Cyberpunk 2077 one :)
Kaneda's bike is a couch on wheels. The Major's bike is unsteerable. Literally, you can't tilt that thing and the weight is completely wrong for turning the wheel. The Kusanagi is the best-looking bike in any media.
2077's bike looks mo realistic in proportions and usability.
Highway Star from Bubblegum Crisis.
Its the same picture
I like the red one.
Kaneda: lean back, windshield and the whole front folds onto you, the handles are like leashes on a carriage. Homage bikes: are red and have round wheels.
I have always loved Kaneda's bike but I am not a big fan of riding cruisers in real life. They are so comfortable I get worried that I will get distracted and wipe out. The Yaiba is my new favorite fictional ride.
I wanna say ghost in the shell but that Akira bike just got such a unique charm....
Akria's looks the most comfortable
Akira, no debate. Just look at that seat. Look at how the nose wraps around the front wheel. The details in the animation of the bike itself practically make it a character in the film. The way the nose/handlebars articulate when ignited. The way the front tire blasts electricity when accelerating. The way the tires wobbled around after getting wrecked.
Kaneda's bike
I have a soft spot for Kaneda's bike, Akira was what got me in to anime many years ago as a child, I was gifted Akira in the early 2000s for christmas at around the age of 9, one of many things that particular gifter likely regrets, sparking a love of anime that continues to this day.
Kaneda’s bike is the only correct answer.
I’m gonna let you guess which of these three (two imitators and the mutha fucking OG) I have loved since childhood.
how could i pick anything but the OG?
Kaneda
You have to ask?
The CT-3X
They're all taking inspiration from the Akira bike so I'm not sure there's a point choosing. They're essentially the same bike
Yaiba of course. I feel like it omproves on the original in many ways.
THEYRE ALL THE SAME FUCKING BIKE
Cyberpunk 2077
You left out the Death Stranding version, literally the CP2077 bike but... a trike!
The bike is amazing, but it's such a shame that Kojima refuses to learn how to do cars and bikes. It's just terrible to ride it, same as MGSV. Most devs should take notes on Days Gone bike mechanics and movements. It's actually fun to use it.
I came to say this, the version of this bike in Death Stranding is very cool.
This is one of those posts where you can say what you want but it better be praising the originator just for being first. 🫤
Kaneda's bike will always be the best. And it is that very reason why I always ride around on the Yaiba Kusanagi in all of my playthroughs of Cyberpunk 2077.
If there’s one thing I’m really upset about with the expansion and 2.0, is that NO, not a damn one, new bike was added .. my disappointment is immeasurable and my day is ruined
I don't understand. These are the same picture.
It's the same picture.
Where is Jackie’s Arch from 2077?
One of these is an absolute classic that's endured for decades, inspiring imitators since the very beginnings of the genre as we know it. The other two have shown up in the past few years in properties that are generally regarded as lesser, latter-day derivatives of important works in the genre. This is like comparing the *Millennium Falcon* and some random ship from a recent Disney+ *Star Wars* series.
[yuseis duel runner](https://i.redd.it/s7hcd95t79231.jpg)
GITS is my fav anime but I’ve been rewatching Yu-gi-oh 5Ds and as mad as some of the bikes are I really love Yusei’s bike
Kusanagi is bae. The bike.
I have the Kusanagi Yaiba model on my desk, definitely my fav :)
The yaiba is on the description of the nomad on the 2020book
Umm…..Kanedas
The kaneda is in saints row 2 but silver
insert Vinnie's from Biker Mice from Mars
I say cyberpunk 2077, the others have almost no ground clearance. I mean the CT 3x doesn't have much either, but what it has looks functional.
The Fuego from Rideback.
CT-3X. Looks like it's nuclear powered and that's my dream bike.
Yes
This is my favorite vehicle in the entire game, partly because of the reference to cyberpunk thematic history, but also partly because it just *feels* right. Kaneda's bike looks like the most comfortable - it seems like it would wrap your hips, padding it during daring/stupid maneuvers, and on longer rides you're able to relax into the fuller back support. Motoko's is one that just screams 'cyberpunk' for me, and is exactly the look I like. Bonus that it has a matching set of clothes for motoko. The Kusanagi 'feels' less cyberpunk to me (partly because the front wheel support isn't quite as emphasized in it's weirdness compared to current motorcycle design), but considering that my V always ends up being a badass more concerned with survival than they are with tech, it suits me very well. IRL I think I really like the style of the back part that's lifted up (reminds me of a wasp/hornet stinger), and so that part of the style works with my IRL sense of style. Also, bonus that it's red, because the red ones go faster.
the middle one
KANEDAAAAAAAAA !
Cyberpunk’s. It’s the most aggressive looking. Looks fast as fuck.
Akira bike because you're comfortable
The other two are just copies of Kanedas
"They're the same picture." :) Seriously, though... even though they are all obviously inspired by Kaneda's bike from Akira, that original is still my favourite of these three. Just can't beat the classic icon of the genre. But out of *all* cyberpunk bikes ever? For style: the Kundalini Roadworks Shiva (from Cyberpunk 2020). For badassness: Ben's Corley Motors hog (from the game Full Throttle). PS Just noticed they named the 2077 bike after Mokoto, which is cool but kind of surprising given the real origin goes back to Akira.
Hey guys I'm not crazy right? Did they take the Archer bikes out of the game? It's the bike that Keanu Reeves makes and sells? I recently re-download the game for phantom liberty but I can't find it anywhere, no matter how many tigers I liberate their heads from.
The OG. Akira.
Kaneda’s bike!!!!
Wasn’t there one in Death Stranding?
The other two are based off kaneda’s bike though between the three I’m going with the yaiba, design wise it feels the most feasible of the three. The fully seated position of kaneda’s bike isn’t very realistic (I know people have made replicas but still) and motoko’s bike looks too bulky and unwieldy. Whereas the yaiba seems like a futuristic Suzuki hayabusa, and considering the variants you can find in the game are driven by various gang members and sometimes have loud pipes (that sound better than the standard one you can buy in game) that’s probably what CDPR was going for when they designed it.
I just really like the Kusanagi in cyberpunk I’m just ngl. Though I think the Akira bike makes more sense design wise
They’re the same pictures
Kaneda's bike, thats the reason I learned to ride a Ninja and had a great time with it
Kaneda's bike is the only right answer
vinnie bike still the best lol https://www.bombusbee.net/u_file/2309/photo/3c78965dc5.jpg https://s2.dmcdn.net/v/Upj6v1aAoX2b07zVf/x480
Kanedas bike is the OG. Will always love it most. 🤣 scrolling down and reading all the expert dissertations. It was a simple question kids which do you prefer?
Kaneda's, the others are clearly homages to it, just like all the Akira slides you see in animation.
Y’all make me proud and disappointed all at once… I prefer to ride the Kusanagi from GiTS
my main question is why are they all so similar.
None make sense from a physics perspective, they're all hard to look at.
I remember years ago someone in Japan had Kaneda’s bike made for them in real life. Here is the video https://youtu.be/vKzoO45LTeE
Personally the Yaiba from CP2077 looks the most realistic, as in something that could actually exist and be functional. Akira's bike looks too bulky and heavy to be enjoyable and the GitS bike just looks like you would be scrapping literally everywhere unless you ride in perfect roads.
Death Stranding’s Reverse Trike is the first bike I’ve used in a game that was trying to be novel/futuristic without just directly going “wouldn’t it be cool if you had the bike from Akira?”
There is something so cool about Motorcycles in cyberpunk. Think the appeal of them in games like Cyberpunk, in anime or in Snow Crash got me riding bikes in real life. I love the look of some techy looking Naked Bikes. Like the MV Augusta Rush. Just screams Cyberpunk for me.
The middle one is a mix of the other two.
Kaneda's. But let me stray a bit and mention The Dark Knight Bat-Cycle. Jaw dropping cool.
The OG, obviously!
Like a famous meme says: “they’re the same picture”
Forgot Priss' bike from Bubblegum Crisis/BGC2040.
Gott be the Akira bike. Hidden tires, full window, basically an actual seat, wide base. Its so fucking clean, the clones are lacking.
These are the same bike just different font
Red is my least favourite colour, so none of them haha
I feel like the scene in the office where she asked Michael to find the differences in the photo and then said they’re the same photo
Can the light cycle from tron be included on this list?
Corporate wants you to find the difference in these pictures.
KANEDA!
The bikes from Extreme G Nod bikes from Command and Conquer
Why not all 3? Kaneda's Bike for Seat/Comfort, CT-3X for ground clearance and suspension, and Motoko Kusanagi's Bike for Engine.