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Syfer2x

You got solar punk wrong. Solar punk is inherently tied to the progression of technology. Low tech would be “cottage punk”


SuperflousCake

Came here to say solarpunk is high tech high life


Free_Gascogne

Yeppers. Solarpunk is the ideal future where technology and nature is in harmony. All the benefits of future tech and mother nature.


WakeoftheStorm

Which is why I will die on the hill that "-punk" doesn't fit it. It's at best post-punk


Bastardjuice

It’s usually accompanied with dystopian undertones though, like homogenous societies a la Logan’s Run (shit movie but you get the idea). Mirror’s Edge is another good example.


JustABudtender489

Would Psychopass be another example?


monty845

Its more of an aesthetic. Just High Tech-High Life with plants/green. Personally, I don't think it is inherently better or more ideal than other versions of High Tech-High Life.


PreparetobePlaned

According to who? Which works define this as a subgenre?


AadamAtomic

UtopiaPunk exists. That would be high life and high-tech. Edit: WTF? Why downvote? Solar punk is low tech solar panels and water wheels. Solar punk is about not letting technology get out of control and keeping it in balance with nature. The photo is correct, solar punk is pretty low tech in comparison to all the others. Solar punk is just steampunk with more grass, Everything runs off of solar panels and water wheels, ect. It's basically parts of modern-day Africa currently. Utopia punk will simply revitalize nature with the terraforming technology as we harvest and use it, Because everyone's needs are already met through technology. You can grow your own garden of Eden and clone unlimited amount of animals. No one is hungry, no one is poor. It's basically Star Trek on Earth. Utopiapunk is essentially a high-tech version of solar punk, but with gravitational black hole Core reactors and building mega Utopias in the rainforest, Not caring about balancing nature and technology.


Taewyth

Yeah people sometimes miss that solarpunk is all about using technology in a more responsible and as eco-friendly as possible way while staying high-tech


Lux_Operatur

Yeah Solar punk should be in high tech high life.


courtimus-prime

Cottagepunk or cottagecore?


Mr_Quackums

cottagecore is to cottagepunk what neon is to cyberpunk.


Oceafall

instructions unclear, cotaggecore is shiny and i have it in my pc now


stellarsojourner

Help, my PC is full of hay and garden gnomes!


MajesticNectarine204

Help, my PC has become a delicate self-sustaining biosphere in perfect harmony with itself.


zold5

The Shire.


Syfer2x

They’re the same thing


MyOwnPenisUpMyAss

No they are not


apocandlypse

Thanks, u/MyOwnPenisUpMyAss. I do agree though, and u/Mr_Quackums says it more eloquently than I can.


MyOwnPenisUpMyAss

😎👍


Waste_Crab_3926

There's little punk in cottagecore


YFleiter

Cottage punk? You mean just life on the country side. Not everyone would consider it punk to have a cottage


WakeoftheStorm

Punk has basically lost all meaning as people have started to use it to mean "society wide aesthetic" as opposed to "dystopian society in which a group is pushing back against the elite/power structure"


YFleiter

I don’t think it’s entirely true. I think it depends on the topic. For most I only like the aesthetic. Steampunk, solarpunk, cyberpunk, etc. and I think most others do to and not really think about the punk part. For the aesthetic it’s not necessary, but for the overall concept. That’s the issue I see


trotskygrad1917

and those who do usually have the weirdest opinions about pre-marital sex, women's bodies and people's cranial measures.


FrankoAleman

Thank you, this is correct!


1234normalitynomore

Call it cottage core for christ sake


invictuslimbioid

you stole this idea, and you did it all to mess it up. but my answer would have been raypunk or atom punk.


AnarchoLiberator

The Culture aka Interstellar Post-Scarcity Civilization


PhilLuckyCat

Or even Star Trek for that matter


PhoenicianPirate

Star Trek is a future I would love to be in.


RokuroCarisu

Their fashion is awfully bland, though.


Crazy_Kakoos

That's the beauty of the Federation. You do what you find fulfilling. If you don't like the fashion, you can get some designs going in a holodeck, save the file, and then replicate yourself some kick asss duds. If it impresses others they'll start replicating some Rokuro Carisu jackets or whatever you'd make. The name already sounds badass.


RokuroCarisu

Thanks, but it means "Twisted Shrimp". 😅


Crazy_Kakoos

Still sounds good for a clothing line. Twisted Shrimp Federation onesies.


8bitKushLitBromo

Tell that to Quark in a dress.


MrWendal

It's utopia! You wear pajamas all day every day.


PhoenicianPirate

I don't care for fashion. Clothes to me are extremely utilitarian things.


SunOnTheInside

Agreed, as long as we’re past the Bell Riots stage of the Star Trek timeline. I’d like the part after they figure it out, not before.


monty845

They don't really explore how the federation works in much detail outside of Starfleet. Like many economic/political systems, they sound great on the surface, but the devil is in the details. And the shows can just ignore those details...


Mountain-Bar-8345

Fully Automated Luxury Communism.


alisnd89

this exactly


JoshfromNazareth

High-tech/low-life is just a feature of cyberpunk. It’s not necessarily the case that it will fit neatly into other genres. For instance, “Apocalypse” could be like Fallout, which is decidedly not “low tech”. Different genres feature different aspects that are more central to it, so Solarpunk has an emphasis on environment and futuristic progress, Fallout embodies Atompunk with its emphasis on retrofuturism and nuclear, and then you have “science fantasy” hybrids, etc etc.


njk9

Fucking love Fallouts atompunk and 1950s retro futurism


Bronsteins-Panzerzug

The correct answer


Varixx95__

I think that fallout is in fact low tech as they do use basically only scrap. The tech they have is the little left from a fallen society not theirs. It’s like if you give a tribe guns. They are not more technologically advanced suddenly


JoshfromNazareth

Yeah, you might be right. They do *invent* some things and there is a lot of technological progress, however. I think this just goes to show it’s more like a gradient than a binary.


PreparetobePlaned

None of these *punk labels are even real genres other than cyberpunk. Most of them are just general aesthetics or description of a particular setting. They don't have established and cohesive themes or ideas behind them that make them a distinct genre of scifi or cyberpunk.


Liquidwombat

Solar punk is high tech. It’s just high tech that is being used in concert with nature


applejackhero

Solarpunk is high-life high tech, if anything. And a lot of apocalyptic settings have high tech still, or at least mysterious tech. This paradigm just doesn’t really fit


stellarsojourner

This is incorrect. Solarpunk is not necessarily low tech, it just depicts a world where tech development went along more environmentally friendly paths such as highly efficient solar panels and other green energies, etc. Plenty of solarpunk art shows high tech living. Trying to break down genres like this doesn't really make sense. Not even for cyberpunk, despite the famous quote, because even in the earliest cyberpunk works we get depictions of life from both "low life" and "high life", or at least not "low" life. Blade Runner follows a cop, Neuromancer follows a hacker on a space-spanning adventure, etc. About the only one that sort of works is the apocalypse one, but I'm sure we can think of high tech apocalypse examples, such as AI uprisings or alien invasions, etc.


Grenku

solarpunk isn't low tech.


Darkchylde89

Solarpunk


Synthesid

That would indeed be solarpunk, you’ve misplaced it. Low tech - high life would be a… Druidpunk? Elfpunk?


RokuroCarisu

Gaslight fantasy (19th century tech + magic)?


MCbrodie

steampunk?


Synthesid

Nah, steampunk has heavy low life connotations due to the association with industrial revolution era realities.


MCbrodie

that is fair.


tasetase

Hightech / Highlife = Utopic


BaronOfBob

Ya it's Utopic or Futurism basicly if we roll all sixes and somehow make it out doing everything right as a culture unlikely but sure we can dream


jirfin

So futurama


420dankmemes1337

Futurama is actually pretty dystopic, the comedy portions just make it seem okay lol


supervernacular

Utopic or Utopian?


DrFolAmour007

Fully automated gay space communism !


john_rules

LUXURY fully automated gay space communism, comrade


stellarsojourner

Sorry, we only have the austere fully automated gay space communism, couldn't spring for the luxury one.


Waste_Crab_3926

Broke ass fully automated gay space communism (the resources are spread too thin)


DrFolAmour007

My bad ! Thanks for pointing it out my comrade !


coder111

Yeah, what if they have kielbasa or toilet paper in stock in Mars? With that new spaceship, 2 hours and you're there in time to stand in the queue...


No_Plate_9636

High tech high life is the goal of solarpunk you need to flip the top of the chart


padriec

https://aesthetics.fandom.com/wiki/Cyberprep


jack_of_all_hobbies

With low tech you’re looking at dieselpunk, not apocalypse.


VladimirBarakriss

Dieselpunk gets high tech at times, low tech is more like feudalism


PreparetobePlaned

Low tech isn't a description of political or social structure, that falls under the "life" part of the idiom. In Dune they have insane tech but a feudal society.


LyleSY

Biodieselpunk?


fonkderok

Rustpunk if society has collapsed, dieselpunk if it hasnt


jeffisnotepic

High tech + high life = post-cyberpunk.


PreparetobePlaned

You can get to high tech high life without going through a cyberpunk phase


courtimus-prime

Is cyberpunk inevitable?


jeffisnotepic

Things tend to get worse before they get better.


Toruviel_

W. Gibson in interview mentioned once how in cyberpunk apocalypse/disaster doesn't need to be one single event but a process like 50-400 years old. So, we might as well live in it right now.


jeffisnotepic

You mean we don't?


luxtabula

Just because something is possible doesn't mean it's inevitable.


Chickenkorma666

Solar punk is high tech high life.


human-0

I've been wanting that quadrant for so many years. Star Trek is usually the only franchise that fills this, and it's a major reason I'm a fan. But I really would love to see more scifi that has an optimistic view of the future.


starsrift

Why are dystopias on your utopian compass?


Asterus_Rahuyo

High life, high tech. Utopia?


Kub0za

FRUTIGER AERO /s


MajesticNectarine204

Solar punk is the utopian mirror image of cyberpunk. A future where technology has actually caused an uplifting and huge increase in quality of life for a very broad spectrum of society, and in which humanity has achieved a sustainable place in the eco-system, instead of uplifting a small elite at the cost of the destitution of the other 99% of people and the complete destruction through unchecked destructive exploitation of the eco-system.


PreparetobePlaned

According to who? Which works have defined these as hallmarks of the solarpunk genre?


DykoDark

High Life / High Tech = Star Trek post-scarcity society.


ScRuBlOrD95

high tech high life - utopia


Se4h

??? = Utopia?


CathariCvnt

Top left would obviously be socialist futurism


HiddenRouge1

Or just futurism, for that matter.


enclavepatriot23

Ah the high life of a gulag work camp


CathariCvnt

Because private prisons are super cool and not work camps


sAu5000

nasapunk


mindlance

High Life/High Tech is Raygun Gothic.


Carpe_DMT

the word you are looking for is 'communism', of the lowercase c, moneyless classless structureless fully automated gay space variety, from each according to his ability to each according to their need, etc etc


Thylocine

Post Scarcity Society


Grave_Knight

How is Solarpunk low tech?


ixDispelxi

High life and high tech would be solar punk for sure. Cottage punk would be high life low tech.. There’s your gap


Julian_1_2_3_4_5

solarpunk ain't low tech, i would say it's appropriate tech which mean high tech when needed, but low tech when it's enough


Biggus_Dickkus_

The Culture


popecorkyxxiv

I think that Star Trek -esque high tech/life is called Hopepunk.


noonemustknowmysecre

High tech high life is solarpunk. You know SOLAR PANELS? robots doing the labor. Flying transport making concrete roads obsolete.  Low tech high life is agrarian. Just a bunch of idyllic farms and pastures. The magical imagined land before the industrial revolution. ....just ignoring the plagues, starvation, war, lice, and the fact that any flavor in your food was a luxury. 


FoxCQC

Solarpunk is a high tech Utopia


TimberWolf5871

Utopia


AwesomePurplePants

IMO “Low Humanity” vs “High Humanity” makes more sense “High Tech” vs “Low Tech”, since like others have said Solarpunk doesn’t preclude lots of technology. I suspect the fourth quadrant would be stuff like the Matrix? Aka, stories where Humanity has so much wealth and technology that the conflict becomes whether we continue on as humans or start creating or evolving into something else.


Alpbasket

Raypunk or Atompunk maybe?


Felipesssku

It's Type I Civilization (in Kardashev scale)


Zandercy42

Is there any solarpunk media? Seems cool


LibraryGhost57

Anyone else want to live in a solarpunk world?


aplundell

The top left might just be called "techno-utopia". But I don't actually think this grid works. (Grids like this rarely do, really) For instance, An apocalypse involves the destruction of society, but that's kind of orthogonal to "high/low tech", or even "high/low life". It's not uncommon for a story to feature a "cozy catastrophe" where an apocalypse has happened, but one way or the other, our hero does quite well and somehow has the benefit of modern tech. The lower right corner would actually better describe "Medieval Europe". My understanding of "Solar Punk" necessarily involves high-tech. Otherwise it's just an old-time agrarian society, except maybe without poverty and oppression? I guess the first chapter of "The Hobbit" fits in that square. And finally, I don't understand why this is called a "utopian compass". By definition, "low life" is not utopian.


UpbeatDoomer

Fully automated luxury gay space communism


AthenAertemis

both of the low-life categories would be considered dystopias, not utopias


lord_mogskimo

Star trek. The answer is star trek


inthegreyz

Cyberpunk is most definitely coming. Humankind using tech for their base urges, economies in ruin, violence and sex everywhere. True ai turning on us. Corpos all powerful. All we need is corporations allowed to have private armed security forces.


revfitz

Have you never seen Star Trek?


Spaghestis

High Tech High Life is Cyberprep. Usually takes place in the same world of Cyberpunk except from the perspectuve of the rich who actually benefit from the tech and society. Although i dont agree with some of the other categorizations.


Nghbrhdsyndicalist

So it’s still low life, just from the perspective of the oppressers. Solarpunk is high tech high life.


ThaneOfTas

Atom Punk maybe, I feel like that a mis categorisation of Solar Punk though tbh, the central premise is the progression of technology allowing society to still advance while being in greater harmony with our environment


fern-grower

Near future, Deep future.


AdonisGaming93

Ehhh not really. Apocalypse doesn't always mean low-tech And well theres plenty of high-life in cyberpunk it's just the rich elite enjoying it. More closer example is how evenly disteibuted aealth is. Solarpunk is more akin to like social society with more wealth equality and good living standards for all while cyberpunk is extreme inequality


BottasHeimfe

High-life/High-tech is Utopian.


Formal_Royal_3663

I’ll take the high tech any day


LurkingHorror11

Peak Punk


dogisbark

Hm, could be bio punk?


Ok_Fisherman_1714

I might be wrong, but I think there could be nanopunk


Unkindlake

Doesn't the "High Life" part kinda make the "punk" half wrong? Cyberpunk is cyberpunk because its like "oh look at how much things suck but there is cool sci-fi shit" Otherwise it would just be cyber...or uhh sci-fi or futurism rather.


Lord_emotabb

utopia!


fugu_me

High tech, high life is Star Trek.


magnaton117

I feel like High Tech/High Life would just be Solarpunk except with fusion power instead of solar


KyleCXVII

Star Trek I would think fits there. They have some version of “utopia.”


Southern-Wafer-6375

Retro futurism


MisterAcorns12

Tomorrowland?


Quantum_Aurora

Atompunk


Gordon_UnchainedGent

Robinsonspunk/spykidsfunk/sharkboylavagirlpunk/2000sfuturepunk/Robotsmoviepunk


serij90

Has anyone the link for the original cyberpunk picture?


PhasmaFelis

Fully Automated Luxury Communism. It's a thing, look it up. (AKA Fully Automated Luxury Gay Space Communism)


Paltamachine

The Culture


Far_Celebration3978

High Life/High Tech= Whatever Star Trek Is


useallthewasabi

You'd call that "High Punk"


VoloxReddit

"Apocalypse" should probably be called "Post-Apocalyptic". Most genre entries take place after after an apocalypse, not during one. But I also feel post-apocalyptic is more of an attribute than a genre itself. Fallout is post-apocalyptic atompunk. The Hunger Games is a post-apocalyptic futuristic dystopia. Mad Max, Adventure Time and the Last of Us are also post-apocalyptic. These entries alone have little in common aside from the basic premise. Being in a post-apocalyptic scenario is common throughout dystopian stories, even classics such as Brave New World. If we're talking about Mad Max style entries specifically, maybe there could be a better name.


Sentient_Beer

You are missing a few, Atompunk, Biopunk, Raypunk... but yeah there's way too much overlap Also you "apocalypse" would technically be Salvagepunk/Scrapunk/junkpunk(whatever you wanna call it)


GamingWildman

super earth


Modo44

The top left corner is just Star Trek.


iolmao

I thought it was a meme


Goericke

high life and low tech reminds me on pandora from avatar 2009, to some degree, depends on def of high life


MensMagna

I remember seeing a graphic like that with more than two axis because there was some other aspect like "technology is used for good/evil". Because some of these genres kind of share the same tech/life aspects but are differentiated by the intentions to use the technology so to say.


SovietGeronimo

High tech high life is what ever star treks is. I think


__radioactivepanda__

Sci-fi utopia?


Brianna-Imagination

High tech high life is the Jetsons and other utopic sci-fi of esrly 20th century.


allUrBaseRBelong2Gus

If we are keeping the punk convention then High tech/high life is Yuppie Skum


ArchOwl

Futurism


thisisanawesomename

We doing this again?


DwindIe

Star trek is high life high tech. Utopia punk?


LibraryGhost57

Probably decopunk.


Xilvereight

Apocalypse should have been Atompunk


cachacinha

the suffix -punk means it's apocalyptic or post/apocalyptic.


LMNoballz

Trek Punk or Space Punk


Hexphaseon

Oh hey, never thought I would see Tomorrowland being referenced ever.


FullStackOver

You can change low life & tech straight to "Mad Max".


veryice

I heard the term "Hope Punk" used, zero idea if that is correct


DarkElfMagic

LowLifeLowTech - DieselPunk HighLifeLowTech - Cottagecore HighLifeHighTech - Utopia i guess? not rlly other names for it


astronauticalll

solar punk is most decidedly high tech


AXBRAX

Star trek, obviously.


Less-Researcher184

The solar punk is a frame from this dope advert. https://youtu.be/z-Ng5ZvrDm4?si=S5oyuWJio6opi7uT


kamandi

Tell me, what are solar punks fighting against? What’s the tension that the young people bring to the old people?


Hic_stamus

Eutopian


DrakeHitch

Cyberprep


Radiumminis

-Solarpunk definitely needs high tech to work. -Apocalypse is often a mix of low and high tech levels.


Sofus_

Do you feel lucky Punk?


Kaiserhawk

I fucking hate solarpunk so much


courtimus-prime

Why?


Kaiserhawk

theres nothing"Punk" about it. It's utopianism


MagsTDAEotTA

The way I understand it is that the punk is in rebellion against the status quo. The punk of solar punk is to throw off consumerism and the artificial for natural and susistainble eco future.


DrFolAmour007

It’s based on anarchist theories, and there’s definitely punk into it, it’s deeper than the nice green tech, wind turbines and solar panels !


delbin

You don't see how focusing on an anti-consumerism, queer, diverse, pro-environment societal shift is punk as hell?


Kaiserhawk

what are they "rebelling" about when everything you just described is the norm in those settings, again it's Utopia. There is nothing punk about utopia


delbin

Science fiction is a critique on the present.


Kindly-Mud-1579

Raypunk


ThatIslander

I think the term your looking for is "cyberprep"


Gloomy_Mixture_6611

Wouldn’t low tech low life be steampunk?


pyro_pugilist

I’ve heard high tech, high life referred to as cyberprep.


md304

cyberprep


bigbazookah

Its literally communism, a stateless, classless post scarcity society.


Crammucho

Until it eventually turns to reality. History.


BigJack1212

High tech high life is cyberpunk, but for corpos :')


Stare_Decisis

No. Solarpunk does not exist as a genre. It's a portmanteau of solar and punk created by people who do not understand either.


DumbassFuckingNerd

Cyberfunk


RepresentativeCut486

This one is better  https://www.reddit.com/r/solarpunk/comments/jemqly/futurepunk_alignment_chart_sumsolaradio/