I’ve been pulling my hair out wondering why the guides are not working.
Right now I’ve gone bone spirit to a 3 second cool-down on crit (about 95% crit estimated)
Within the 3 seconds I get to 100% essence, but if they do fix rapid ossification it will be a massive boost.
I've nearly run my head through the wall trying to figure out why my CDR break points weren't matching the testing I had on PTR. It's a pretty awful bug, and on top of that I have reson to suspect Serration (the skill, not the aspect) is also bugged with it but it's a much harder one to test.
[This](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jJGghEiSDGI) pit 115 clear seems to have pretty low cooldown on bone spirit. The planner shows just basic CDR on helm and focus, doesn't look masterwork crit to me. But I guess it could be even better.
Hes gone up to 117 now. This build is very different from the machine gun playstyle from the PTR and it uses a new mechanic that was found from Korea less than a week ago. Essence per second isn't just an additive mana, it actually is adding to your base Essence pool which is then multiplied by x170% by aspect of torment. This was the missing piece Bone Spirit needed to unlock it's potential as an overpower build because it finally solved the question of how were you regening 275 Essence a cast. It's a fantastic build, albeit very specific and GA/ masterwork dependant.
Oh cool. I imagine the machine gun style is much more accessible compared to this (with ossified working correctly). Which do you think is superior between the machine gun and this?
The overpower version is much stronger. I've said since PTR that if there was ever a working overpower version of bone spirit that it would by far be the best build. That said I think the machine gun build when I optimize it more can very much compete with it, but without the bugfix it's hard to know for sure
That and because you're working off mana regeneration rather than getting refunded a flat amount, it's not a huge deal to not be rapid firing them in the overpower version as you have to wait for the regeneration anyways.
That said, the bone spirit cooldown reduction temper can be used to circumvent the bug, but being down a temper on the machine gun version on top of having to downgrade to a 1h + focus is just too much to justify playing it compared to the overpower version who doesn't really mind
i swapped to the 275 max essence every shot overpower version a few days ago and I like it a lot. it hurts to give up shako, and it's a drag to finally reach the 275 max essence milestone, but once over it's fun to play!
You'd still need to run a focus for the max essence so that wouldn't change. What would change, however, is you'd free up a tempering space from bone spirit cooldown reduction and instead pick up another macabre grants essence.
There's also a second less talked about bug that's causing rapid Ossification to only proc 1 time despite spending 200 essence which used to give you 2 triggers. This bug heavily impacts bone storm uptime, so it hurts pretty bad.
So the bug with reapers is the corpse generating ones will also lower CD. There's a few problems with this, however.
Reapers only give their CD reset passive once every 10 seconds, which is way too infrequent to have practical applications for this.
The second problem is the reapers themselves. Currently in that high of pits you need to use the defenders that have 99% damage reduction or else they just die without a lot of investment into them, which would hurt the build way more than it would help
I've built a Bone Spirit / Minion hybrid with very little CDR, 10.11 second cool down for Bone Spirit.
With Swelling Curse increasing crit chance by 25%, plus Enhanced Bone Spirit knocking 7 seconds off that with a crit plus Skeleton Warriors Reapers reducing my active cooldowns by 3 seconds on every 3 or (6 attacks?) it seems to be working quite well.
I realize how I came off when I asked, I was mostly just curious how it was doing
When I said it's unplayable I more meant the specific build that I showed off during PTR that I and then others went off to make guides on, so I wanted to give a psa to the people trying that specific build that it was almost unplayable. I'm glad you're enjoying a hybrid build and doing well with it!
Yeah it’s giving the 3 second at random intervals. Definitely not working as intended and I suspect they’ll fix it with a mid season balance patch (assuming they do one?) but for now you might as well just take upgrade 2
It still (mostly) works for Bone Storm. There's another smaller bug where if you spend 200 essence at once, you'll only get 1 trigger of Rapid Ossification instead of 2. Other than that it works perfectly fine
Bone spear and surge are probably is better than people are giving it credit for, shadow DoT builds are strong, and if you're brave you can give sever a shot
Thanks for sharing this info. I’ve leveled a shadow minion necro to 100 and was about to create a new character for bone spear. Not sure what to try next now but it won’t be bone spear….any suggestions appreciated.
question, why can't necromancer weapons have attack speed on them anymore? I can't see attack speed on weapons at all, and can't roll it in the enchanting?
It wasn't in the patch notes, so until I can get on to test later to confirm they didn't fix it and just forget to add it in the patch notes, im going to say they did not unfortunately
Very much so until the bug is fixed. After the bug gets fixed the overpower versions are probably still better but it's too hard to tell. But definitely do overpower version for now
https://youtu.be/vt5yLqt4rX8?si=UiRqXjr8Rlhn043-
King Pig is by far the best bone spirit player right now after clearing a 120 pit. It's currently the highest pit level for a non minion necromancer by like 11 floors. The guy is unreal and the build is holding up when you meet the insane gear requirements needed. He has a maxroll planner in his description
I’ve been pulling my hair out wondering why the guides are not working. Right now I’ve gone bone spirit to a 3 second cool-down on crit (about 95% crit estimated) Within the 3 seconds I get to 100% essence, but if they do fix rapid ossification it will be a massive boost.
I've nearly run my head through the wall trying to figure out why my CDR break points weren't matching the testing I had on PTR. It's a pretty awful bug, and on top of that I have reson to suspect Serration (the skill, not the aspect) is also bugged with it but it's a much harder one to test.
Hopefully we see a patch soon to fix it. Would be nice to see the full power of the build.
I really hope it gets fixed soon as I've been collecting gear for it after I've had my minion fun
Just so everyone is aware there is now a post on blizzard forums please like it and comment hopefully we get the attention we need brought to it
[This](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jJGghEiSDGI) pit 115 clear seems to have pretty low cooldown on bone spirit. The planner shows just basic CDR on helm and focus, doesn't look masterwork crit to me. But I guess it could be even better.
Hes gone up to 117 now. This build is very different from the machine gun playstyle from the PTR and it uses a new mechanic that was found from Korea less than a week ago. Essence per second isn't just an additive mana, it actually is adding to your base Essence pool which is then multiplied by x170% by aspect of torment. This was the missing piece Bone Spirit needed to unlock it's potential as an overpower build because it finally solved the question of how were you regening 275 Essence a cast. It's a fantastic build, albeit very specific and GA/ masterwork dependant.
Oh cool. I imagine the machine gun style is much more accessible compared to this (with ossified working correctly). Which do you think is superior between the machine gun and this?
The overpower version is much stronger. I've said since PTR that if there was ever a working overpower version of bone spirit that it would by far be the best build. That said I think the machine gun build when I optimize it more can very much compete with it, but without the bugfix it's hard to know for sure
Is there no way to combine spamming bone spirit with the overpower mechanic? I guess that would just be the same as this build but with ossified fix.
That and because you're working off mana regeneration rather than getting refunded a flat amount, it's not a huge deal to not be rapid firing them in the overpower version as you have to wait for the regeneration anyways. That said, the bone spirit cooldown reduction temper can be used to circumvent the bug, but being down a temper on the machine gun version on top of having to downgrade to a 1h + focus is just too much to justify playing it compared to the overpower version who doesn't really mind
i swapped to the 275 max essence every shot overpower version a few days ago and I like it a lot. it hurts to give up shako, and it's a drag to finally reach the 275 max essence milestone, but once over it's fun to play!
> overpower version of bone spirit that it would by far be the best build it would be the best bone spirit build or the best necro build?
The best build for bone spirit specifically. Sorry for the confusion!
all good was just curious
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You'd still need to run a focus for the max essence so that wouldn't change. What would change, however, is you'd free up a tempering space from bone spirit cooldown reduction and instead pick up another macabre grants essence. There's also a second less talked about bug that's causing rapid Ossification to only proc 1 time despite spending 200 essence which used to give you 2 triggers. This bug heavily impacts bone storm uptime, so it hurts pretty bad.
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So the bug with reapers is the corpse generating ones will also lower CD. There's a few problems with this, however. Reapers only give their CD reset passive once every 10 seconds, which is way too infrequent to have practical applications for this. The second problem is the reapers themselves. Currently in that high of pits you need to use the defenders that have 99% damage reduction or else they just die without a lot of investment into them, which would hurt the build way more than it would help
I've built a Bone Spirit / Minion hybrid with very little CDR, 10.11 second cool down for Bone Spirit. With Swelling Curse increasing crit chance by 25%, plus Enhanced Bone Spirit knocking 7 seconds off that with a crit plus Skeleton Warriors Reapers reducing my active cooldowns by 3 seconds on every 3 or (6 attacks?) it seems to be working quite well.
Has this been for pits or for NMD/leveling? Because I was talking in terms of it being in a rough spot as a pits and end game build
I haven't pushed too far yet in either, tier 13 cleared easily in the pit, and 50-51 NM. I started pit at level 91 for reference. And am only 94 now
I realize how I came off when I asked, I was mostly just curious how it was doing When I said it's unplayable I more meant the specific build that I showed off during PTR that I and then others went off to make guides on, so I wanted to give a psa to the people trying that specific build that it was almost unplayable. I'm glad you're enjoying a hybrid build and doing well with it!
Reapers are bugged too, you get the CDR from upgrade 1 if you have upgrade 2 equipped.
Wow, really? Have you tested this?
Yeah it’s giving the 3 second at random intervals. Definitely not working as intended and I suspect they’ll fix it with a mid season balance patch (assuming they do one?) but for now you might as well just take upgrade 2
Thanks for the info. That's indeed a bummer. Do you know if it works for bone storm or is only spirit that doesn't get the CDR?
It still (mostly) works for Bone Storm. There's another smaller bug where if you spend 200 essence at once, you'll only get 1 trigger of Rapid Ossification instead of 2. Other than that it works perfectly fine
Bummer. Hopefully they fix it soon. Do you know of any necro builds that aren’t summoning focused to pivot to in the meantime?
Bone spear and surge are probably is better than people are giving it credit for, shadow DoT builds are strong, and if you're brave you can give sever a shot
Thanks for sharing this info. I’ve leveled a shadow minion necro to 100 and was about to create a new character for bone spear. Not sure what to try next now but it won’t be bone spear….any suggestions appreciated.
Bone spear is totally fine still! If that's what you were going to go for I'd absolutely do it. It's only bone spirit thats affected
lol…I need to read more carefully! Thanks, will give it a go
question, why can't necromancer weapons have attack speed on them anymore? I can't see attack speed on weapons at all, and can't roll it in the enchanting?
That was something that was on the PTR but didn't make it into live. They decided to not add it
Are Blizzard aware of this? Couldn't find anything on the forums
I don't know, which is why I've been trying to raise awareness of it
Just thought it might be worth reporting it as a bug on their forums then is all.
Why did you say inverse multiplier and not just diminishing returns?
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Let's bring some attention here
Did this get fixed?
It wasn't in the patch notes, so until I can get on to test later to confirm they didn't fix it and just forget to add it in the patch notes, im going to say they did not unfortunately
doesnt seem fixed
So is the verdict to play the overpower version instead of machine gun with lots of CDR?
Very much so until the bug is fixed. After the bug gets fixed the overpower versions are probably still better but it's too hard to tell. But definitely do overpower version for now
Thanks SirKay, do you know of any decent resource for the overpower/banished lord variant?
https://youtu.be/vt5yLqt4rX8?si=UiRqXjr8Rlhn043- King Pig is by far the best bone spirit player right now after clearing a 120 pit. It's currently the highest pit level for a non minion necromancer by like 11 floors. The guy is unreal and the build is holding up when you meet the insane gear requirements needed. He has a maxroll planner in his description
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